How do we get out of this?

[krichton]

I thought the left has all the answers? I guess that was a lie too. Let me file this right next to "Biden is running circles around his staff." If I look back at the last 30 years of dumocrap policy, their only foreign policy strategy is do nothing, pay all geopolitical costs for all who will call us an ally, and recently their favorite foreign policy is to support all the bad actors on the geopolitical stage who hate the US. If you think about it, we don't have to fix Trump's problems, Trump is fixing 30 years of bad dumocrap foreign policy. Carry on Trump!

Trump is "fixing," "bad policy" by getting us into a quagmire that will likely stretch into the next 5 administrations? Do tell.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Seems france is opposed to iranian nukes, wants the straits open and isn't happy about Iran attacking everyone....


yet, this is about TRUMP?

Of course it is, Trump is the retard who believed Nutandyahoo.
Disregarded advice from normal people and started a war without consulting anyone but a nut job.

Trump Knew the Risk of Iran Blocking the Strait of Hormuz. ...​

WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › Politics › National Security




3 days ago — The president told his White House team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait, the world's most vital shipping lane.


Now Trump cries.

 

[JGalt]

It's what a cult does.

No, a cult lets their own party flush 14 million of their own primary election votes for Joe Biden down the toilet, and then votes for some loser named Kamala Harris.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Trump is "fixing," "bad policy" by getting us into a quagmire that will likely stretch into the next 5 administrations? Do tell.

And he's doing it just to inflict more pain on the TDS crowd. I fully support him in this endeavor. And if he succeeds in eradicating these dumocrap traitors I think he should get his head on Mt. Rushmore for ridding this great country of this dumocrap infestation and Making America Great Again. Now go **** off dumocrap traitor.

 

[Stryder50]

You are a nice guy, and nice guys want to "fight nice." I am an old school anti-war democrap who has become rather grumpy in my old age. "Fight Nice" didn't work in any recent war. But the balkanization of Yugoslavia sure did. So, if we are forced to enter a war that everyone wants but is too afraid to act, well let's do it and let's not prolong the war like Afghanistan. My most humanitarian solution for Iran is just to bomb the hell out of them until they emphatically want to unconditionally surrender and accept balkanization. My second best solution is to allow Israel to nuke the entire country, problem solved forever, and America doesn't get blamed for using nukes. Solution 3 is so horrific that I think Iran would easily prefer option 2.

Understand I appreciate your post, but disagree with most of it's content.
Allow to explain ....

I may be a "nice guy", but I prefer to fight smart and fight efficiently (not "fight nice").

Along with being a historian in general, I consider myself a military historian in specific. I also try to be an ardent student of Sun Tzu, and other strategic thinkers. When it comes to tabletop 'wargaming'/'conflict simulations' I've been know as a rather unorthodox tactician and strategists.

My approach to a situation like Iran (and the world and history are filled with many similar) is to realize it is not the whole nation nor the whole population we are at difference with, are at war with. Our enemy in Iran is a minority of the population, one which is a fundamental religious extremism and which is in control of the government, and military, which is trying to balance control and domination of the nation's population while directing the nation's resources towards and outward, global agenda of fulfilling the religious mandate of the dogma it lives by.

Our (USA) objective and goal in dealing with Iran is to remove significant and most dangerous amounts of it's military might, thereby reduce it's threat capacity towards it's neighbors and the world. We also should wish to see major regime change in both actual leadership(ayatollahs and mullahs) and also government system/method - Islamic theocracy dictatorship.

Best methods to achieve those objectives is to reduce/destroy it's military weapons capability, military leadership and organization (including C3, support, supply, and resources), and eliminate the political structure of the theocratic government. Then encourage, arm, train, and advise the populace in insurrection towards the current regime and assist in it's replacement with a more civil, democratic, and secular form of government and leadership.

These are the tactical, operation, and strategic processes for Iran. In a broader and Grand Strategic style we would consider how to invalidate the ideological and dogma foundations of Islam to render it an impotent, insane, and useless theology/religion.

Once the above have been done and/or set in motion, then a regime change and governmental restructure can begin within Iran.

It's way past my bedtime so I'll have to cover the more specific details of how to at a later time

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

No, a cult lets their own party flush 14 million of their own primary election votes for Joe Biden down the toilet, and then votes for some loser named Kamala Harris.

Trump promised no wars. Now he's a Bush-style regime ...​

The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › commentisfree › mar




Mar 1, 2026 — In his election night victory speech in November 2024, Trump told his supporters: “I'm not going to start a war. I'm going to stop wars.”

Trump claims Harris 'guaranteed' to get US into World War III​

The Hill
https://thehill.com › homenews › campaign › 4955539-...




Oct 26, 2024 — Republican presidential nominee former President Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally in State College, Pa., Saturday, Oct. 26, 2024.

 

[Stryder50]

He is paid to pretend to be "converted from MAGA" to bolster faith in the dumocraps. Anyone who says they are liberated from MAGA but refuses to ever criticize, even a little, the dumocrap party or any dumocrap politician is a pure dumocrap. Even dumocraps occasionally criticize Ilhan Omar, but SaxonJackson will not. I was an old school democrat and gave up on the party and now consider myself Independent. I can very easily go on record and say the new dumocrap party completely sucks and is so full of shit they fertilize everything within a country mile of them. Ilhan Omar is a skank Anti-American POS. I can also freely say the GOP really sucks. Trump is an egotistical loudmouth who really should shut up and just do his job, he's not that bad at it like a dumocrap or a RINO. That's how a real Independent thinks.

I've encountered many of those "converted MAGA" fifth columnists here, know the profile well.
Many are unwitting agents for enemies of the USA.
Most tend to be on the political Left, but there are a few on the Right side as well.
Classic is they claim to be operating on the USA's behalf and best interests, but their words and actions benefit the enemies of the USA rather than our nation.

 

[Natural Citizen]

There are three things required of a cult member:

1) Believe everything the Cult Leader says.
2) Mimic everything the Cult Leader says.
3) Defend everything the Cult Leader does.

Yup ... you're in a cult. It's official ... you have the OTHER form of TDS.

 

[The Duke]

As usual ****, you've got it completely wrong.

FDR was driving the Depression deeper until he got nudged by Hitler, Japan, and others into starting the Arsenal of Democracy, funded by Debt, that gave an illusion of economic progress.

Reagan/Bush 1 Budget was mostly business as usual with some emphasis on Defense, and Clinton's solution was to cut defense deeply to fund his welfare handouts. That left our military a bit short on gear and ability to deal with the post 9/11 War on Terror.

The housing bust was result of Dems in Congress easing the lending of $$$ to too many unqualified, who couldn't pay their loans. Obama only shuffled funds around a bit to bribe off some of the unions and businesses that supported his election.

It's the Democrats who are always screwing the economy, which is what we can expect from those with no clue on wealth creation, just wealth redistribution. The Republicans are then left with trying to find ways to cut the excessive spending started by the Dems, without upsetting the voters whom the Dems bought off, and then try to balance the budget.

Every president from Reagan to Trump was systematically and coordinatedly tearing America down.
Bush I wrote NAFTA and Clinton signed it into law on his way out the door, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were Clinton's idea that W. ran with, and then Obammer did the opposite of what should have been done and bailed out the big banks instead of busting them up and paying depositors.

 

[Correll]

Of course it is, Trump is the retard who believed Nutandyahoo.
Disregarded advice from normal people and started a war without consulting anyone but a nut job.

Trump Knew the Risk of Iran Blocking the Strait of Hormuz. ...​

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WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › Politics › National Security




3 days ago — The president told his White House team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait, the world's most vital shipping lane.


Now Trump cries.

So, there is a conflict between Iran and the US.


The US is striking at Iran.

Iran is striking at the world....


Yet the world is complaining to Trump... for Iran's actions....


Do you even realize the implications of that?

 

[Hafar1014]

Iran is not interested in peace talks: Iran war: Tehran sees no reason to talk with US

Our former friends have understandably told us to go to hell: European countries reject Trump’s call for help to reopen strait of Hormuz

Iran wants their pound of flesh for this, at least. They're not going to let us out of there without some pain.

I'm assuming that there's some kind of back-channel talking going on, but how else can we get of this mess? Can't Trump just declare some kind of victory and run? He can just make something up. That's what he does. Just keep saying "we won, we won".

Ideas?

Keep pounding them and incite a rebellion. The most violent and dangerous government in the world cant be allowed to have nukes

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Every president from Reagan to Trump was systematically and coordinatedly tearing America down.
Bush I wrote NAFTA and Clinton signed it into law on his way out the door, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were Clinton's idea that W. ran with, and then Obammer did the opposite of what should have been done and bailed out the big banks instead of busting them up and paying depositors.

​

Bush signs bank bailout, Oct. 3, 2008​

Politico
https://www.politico.com › story › 2013/10 › bush-sign...




Oct 3, 2013 — On this day in 2008, President George W. Bush signed legislation that allowed the US Treasury to put its proposed Troubled Asset Relief Program into effect.

 

[Mac1958]

There are three things required of a cult member:

1) Believe everything the Cult Leader says.
2) Mimic everything the Cult Leader says.
3) Defend everything the Cult Leader does.

Yup ... you're in a cult. It's official ... you have the OTHER form of TDS.

Looking at the, uh, "responses" here, it's clear they're never going to understand that THE WAY you approach a problem can be every bit as important as recognizing the problem in the first place.

And the only way they know is the simplistic caveman/ignorant bully approach, which is one of the primary reasons they have such a connection to Trump. It's all HE knows, TOO.

How do we get out of this? "But Biden!" "But Mac!" "But commies!" Zzzz.

Iran isn't screwing around. They've been preparing for this for decades. As usual, Trump is completely out of his "depth". He does occasionally get lucky, though, and we'll have to depend on that.

 

[The Duke]

Keep pounding them and incite a rebellion. The most violent and dangerous government in the world cant be allowed to have nukes

Does that include UK , France, and Germany?
They're well on the way to becoming Caliphates.

 

[Correll]

Of course it is, Trump is the retard who believed Nutandyahoo.
Disregarded advice from normal people and started a war without consulting anyone but a nut job.

Trump Knew the Risk of Iran Blocking the Strait of Hormuz. ...​

View attachment 1231762
WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › Politics › National Security




3 days ago — The president told his White House team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait, the world's most vital shipping lane.


Now Trump cries.

Not a rhetorical question. Do you realize the implications of what you are doing ie attacking Trump for Iranian actions?

 

[Dorian Mode]

Understand I appreciate your post, but disagree with most of it's content.
Allow to explain ....

I may be a "nice guy", but I prefer to fight smart and fight efficiently (not "fight nice").

Along with being a historian in general, I consider myself a military historian in specific. I also try to be an ardent student of Sun Tzu, and other strategic thinkers. When it comes to tabletop 'wargaming'/'conflict simulations' I've been know as a rather unorthodox tactician and strategists.

My approach to a situation like Iran (and the world and history are filled with many similar) is to realize it is not the whole nation nor the whole population we are at difference with, are at war with. Our enemy in Iran is a minority of the population, one which is a fundamental religious extremism and which is in control of the government, and military, which is trying to balance control and domination of the nation's population while directing the nation's resources towards and outward, global agenda of fulfilling the religious mandate of the dogma it lives by.

Our (USA) objective and goal in dealing with Iran is to remove significant and most dangerous amounts of it's military might, thereby reduce it's threat capacity towards it's neighbors and the world. We also should wish to see major regime change in both actual leadership(ayatollahs and mullahs) and also government system/method - Islamic theocracy dictatorship.

Best methods to achieve those objectives is to reduce/destroy it's military weapons capability, military leadership and organization (including C3, support, supply, and resources), and eliminate the political structure of the theocratic government. Then encourage, arm, train, and advise the populace in insurrection towards the current regime and assist in it's replacement with a more civil, democratic, and secular form of government and leadership.

These are the tactical, operation, and strategic processes for Iran. In a broader and Grand Strategic style we would consider how to invalidate the ideological and dogma foundations of Islam to render it an impotent, insane, and useless theology/religion.

Once the above have been done and/or set in motion, then a regime change and governmental restructure can begin within Iran.

It's way past my bedtime so I'll have to cover the more specific details of how to at a later time

I get it, and I am glad to hear alternative views and solutions that don't involve "But TRUMP!!!" I don't like being in wars and think we need to do everything possible to avoid them, but if all else fails, let's make it impossible for the problem to ever arise again. Regime change never works. Nation building never works. Thinking about the children never works. War should be so horrific that no one even considers it as a solution to an international problem. War is like cancer. Nobody wants it, but if it arrives don't "fight nice" with cancer, destroy it completely. I think if Iran, and the rest of the world know we will ultimately treat them like a cancer, they will behave differently.

 

[MarcATL]

Trump fukked up OP.

Netanyahu found the patsy of a President he was looking for for decades in Trump.

Now Americans are fukked.

The best thing for that idiot to do now is declare "we won" and get the fulkk up outta there.

 

[Hafar1014]

Does that include UK , France, and Germany?
They're well on the way to becoming Caliphates.

THats their problem between Muslims socialism and green energy Europe is about to collapse

 

[Correll]

I asked a question, no one is answering.

This is important.


The world is attacking TRUMP for IRAN'S actions.


Does anyone else see the implications of this?

 

[candycorn]

It started with statement to assure the theocracy of Iran doesn't possess nuclear weapons and continue to be a threat to Peace in that region and the world.

The job isn't done yet.

Once again it needs be the USA to do the Right Thing.
Once again, as seen often over the past century plus, Europe and the rest of the world cowares and tries the appeasement path. This will only make things worse and delay the final solution.

The theocracy regime in Iran Must be removed and replaced with a more democratic and secular form of government. One that drops the agenda of global Islamic Jihad.

The Straits of Hormuz are and must be a neutral and international waterway. Iran has no right to block, interdict, or interfere with traffic through the Straits.

The USA will have to finish the job of immediate tasks and resolution of a more durable peace in that locale, then we will have to encourage other nations to shoulder their responsibility to help keep Peace in that region and the Straights open to flow of commerce and peaceful use.

The current regime of Iran has lost their say in these matters and their right to rule that nation.
The USA leaves once the job is done.

Great. When are you enlisting?