SweetSue92
Diamond Member
Well this is how it goes on USMB. A person with actual scientific knowledge comes forth and gives science and data, and a can-kicker comes in and says blah blah blah these vaccines are literally the best thing in the world
CDZ How can one defend the Israel vaccine numbers?
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Well this is how it goes on USMB. A person with actual scientific knowledge comes forth and gives science and data, and a can-kicker comes in and says blah blah blah these vaccines are literally the best thing in the world
SweetSue92
Diamond Member
Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shotswww.timesofisrael.com
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
This thread is full of amazing information and links--thank you. I started a post on Israel recently (this one didn't pop up, sorry USMB) regarding vaccine failure. What a terrible bet these vaccines are. First, the side effects are awful. Second, they don't even work. I honestly feel like this is behind the despicable push to get everyone vaccinated--the gov is running HARD before everyone realizes what a bum deal this is. They feel like the most people who got the shot, the more "defenders" they will have.
The covid fiasco is the biggest gov scandal in 100 years. And the vaccines might just be the worst. We shall see. Thanks again.
sakinago
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Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccinewww.cbsnews.com
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...journals.lww.com
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphwww.thedesertreview.com
View attachment 513600
Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.www.cdc.gov
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.www.nytimes.com
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat ptimesofindia.indiatimes.com
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
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Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
Fuck off then. Seriously. If you want to come on here and pretend you're posting the truth, when it's pretty obvious "most dangerous vaccine" is made up shit. I call you out on it and you all you can say is "Jesus Christ".
I've made my claims, you can't fight back at them because everyone's ignorant who doesn't agree with your made up shit.
I don't come on here to deal with nonsense. If you want a conversation, you can have one, if you want to push a bullshit agenda, then see my first two words.
SweetSue92
Diamond Member
Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
Fuck off then. Seriously. If you want to come on here and pretend you're posting the truth, when it's pretty obvious "most dangerous vaccine" is made up shit. I call you out on it and you all you can say is "Jesus Christ".
I've made my claims, you can't fight back at them because everyone's ignorant who doesn't agree with your made up shit.
I don't come on here to deal with nonsense. If you want a conversation, you can have one, if you want to push a bullshit agenda, then see my first two words.
I have been reading a lot on covid and the vaccines since the very beginning of the pandemic, and I find her (or his) claims and links compelling and scientific. Beyond that, the poster is a NURSE. What claims are you making beyond the soundbites you've heard? What are your credentials?
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Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Let me restate. I am not an anti Vaxer. I am up to date on all my shots, as well as my kids.
VAERS is the vaccine adverse event reporting system (I think, whatever, you get the picture). If I remember correctly it was started by Robert Kennedy. It works in conjunction with the CDC. Doctors send it cases of possible adverse events, meaning an allergic reaction (anaphylaxis), Guillian-Barre, Bell’s palsy, etc. The cdc then checks the medical records to make sure he vaccine was most likely the culprit. Then it goes into the VAERS database. VAERS is not some nutty conspiracy site/database. It’s the medical communities standard tracking apparatus. One that’s been used to disprove many of the anti-vaxer theories.
Do I really have to explain to you there is a difference between reporting and confirming? I suppose so. In a standard drug trial, when any adverse event happens, it gets reported. Whether it was clearly not caused by the drug or not. Then it gets confirmed as an AE caused by the drug, or not. It’s still important to report all AE even when it’s widely believed not to be caused by the drug in question just in case there is a trend. Here’s a bad example, but an illustration. 20 people got hit by a bus on our drug. Clearly it’s not caused by the drug. Oh wait, our subjects are getting hit by buses at a higher clip than the average public, maybe it’s causing bus blindness. We should look into that. Clearly that’s silly, but illustrates why it’s important to report all adverse events. So, VAERS is NOT displaying the REPORTED adverse events. I’ve already clearly stated this in previous posts. That would be insane for public trust in vaccines because you wouldn’t want Jenny McCarthy to report that she took a vaccine and her vagina exploded 50 times. The CDC would call up Jenny and say hey, let us see them records. She obviously wouldn’t be able to produce them. Then that report would NOT go up onto VAERS. If it’s murky whether or not an AE was caused by a vaccine it does not go up. On top of that, VAERS tracks the time elapsed from the jab to when the AE happens. So you can see, “hey we’re seeing a lot of myocarditis 2 days out from the jab”.
Anaphylaxis (an allergic reaction) is just ONE type of adverse event. Its fairly common as far as AEs for standard vaccines go. Let me talk down now and make sure we understand the above statement correctly, because I’m not going to address you saying “aNaPhYlAxIs iSnT cOmMoN fOr JaBs.” That’s NOT what I said. As far adverse events among vaccines, anaphylaxis is a common adverse event in standard vaccines. So the CDC is just bringing up one event. So that’s like a car with 10 things wrong with it, and the manufacturer says, it’s just the oil filters that go bad. This is the same CDC that used the criminally wrong imperial college models, that were incredibly far off. The CDC is not that dumb, but they know y’all are. The same CDC that agreed with the one BS lancet study (that they knew was BS) on HCQ showing no efficacy, that LATER HAD TO BE RETRACTED AFTER THE SMALLEST BIT OF SCRUTINY. The same CDC whose director went of TV and said that masks work better than a vaccine for airborne viruses, which is insane, but the CDC is not insane. The same CDC that was recommending a testing PCR rate of 30, which is also insane as stated by the worlds top virologist at Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford, etc. Although, if you’ve taken the vaccine, they recommend a PCR test at 15, which is what it should’ve been all along. Ain’t that something? Again, the CDC is not this dumb. The same CDC that a month ago had to say “whoops we kind of inflated the pediatric COVID hospitalization rate (which was already low) by damn near double. CDC is not this stupid. And then a couple of weeks ago GOT CAUGHT LYING ABOUT THEIR OWN NUMBERS when they said teens COVID rates are exploding, when if you turn the x axis back a week it was the most minor of bumps on a sharply declining rate. These are the games the CDC has been playing with the public. There has long been an incestuous relationship among CDC, NIH, Universities grant systems, big pharma board seats and no show/cushy jobs, hospital board seats, lobbying, etc. I never thought that the doctors on the ground would put their patients at risk due to the games played by the bureaucrats and lobbyists, outside of selling a more expensive drug over the generic or something to that effect. Turns out most doctors work for large medical corporations, as private practice is dying (a whole other issue). Corporations put up guidelines their doctors are supposed to follow. Those guidelines are set up by organizations like the NIH, and CDC. I couldn’t tell you the motivations for the CDC diving head first for COVID panic porn and vaccine mongering. It’s probably a combination of many with some politics thrown in there too. But the CDC and NIH have been absolutely derelict this entire pandemic. Just so we get that clear and out of the way.
I suppose because someone on Reddit said that scholarly journals don’t use pseudonyms, it must be true. Wrong. It’s not common because most researchers want that credit, obviously. But it does happen, and there’s nothing barring them from doing so. As long as the study is reproducible, why would it matter? There’s actually a famous case of a conglomerate of big pharma research insiders using a pseudonym to call BS on their own companies. So anytime some insider saw something wrong, they’d use this particular pseudonym. It’s been sort of a reoccurring deep throat for the medical community. It would also make total sense that someone would want to publish an ivermectin study under a pseudonym in this climate. The suppression of things like HCQ and ivermectin has been absolutely insane. The fucking fed is actually coming after a doctor for recommending vitamin D supplements to help with resilience to COVID, which is 100% true. Dr Peter McCullough is senior editor at the top cardiovascular journal, as well as editor for a few other journals. Is the most published doctor on the subject of treating COVID, and not for backwater journals that are ego boosts for pointless research. Further he’s treated thousands of patients with COVID with extreme success rates. And mainstream media is trying to call him a quack for saying “hey, let’s actually treat COVID at the onset of symptoms, like we would with strep throat (or insert any other disease under the sun).” So it doesn’t surprise me at al someone would use a pseudonym for going against big pharma, fauci, and their corporate media flying monkeys. The reason why they’re coming after ivermectin is because the patent has been up on it for a while, it’s extremely cheap, and no one makes money off of it. Not big pharma, not the hospitals, not the media relying on big pharma ads (especially Fox News). Instead they want to use remdisivir, which at best is 40% effective (that’s looking like a flop as the data comes in) which they charge 5 grand a pop for. Interestingly enough, Merck, the creator of ivermectin is saying their own drug isn’t “safe” for COVID. You might say Ah-Ha, proof ivermectin is a farce. Until you learn Merck got a 2 billion dollar grant from the govt to produce a drug THAT LOOKS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE IVERMECTIN JUST CHANGED ENOUGH TO FILE A NEW PATENT ON.
As far as India, different provinces had their own different guidelines, which is why it was such a slam dunk for ivermectin. You could compare provinces using it vs those using remdisivir or whatever they chose to go with. I’ll state it again, the Indian Bar association (you know that little org that actually liscences the lawyers) is going after officials/MDs who did not recommend ivermectin. It’s quite the statement. And let’s not forget INDIAS DEATH PER MILLION RATE IS 1/7 THAT OF THE UNITED STATES. Despite that whole delta variant scare porn fiasco.
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Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
Fuck off then. Seriously. If you want to come on here and pretend you're posting the truth, when it's pretty obvious "most dangerous vaccine" is made up shit. I call you out on it and you all you can say is "Jesus Christ".
I've made my claims, you can't fight back at them because everyone's ignorant who doesn't agree with your made up shit.
I don't come on here to deal with nonsense. If you want a conversation, you can have one, if you want to push a bullshit agenda, then see my first two words.
I have been reading a lot on covid and the vaccines since the very beginning of the pandemic, and I find her (or his) claims and links compelling and scientific. Beyond that, the poster is a NURSE. What claims are you making beyond the soundbites you've heard? What are your credentials?
Thank you. Let me state I didn’t tell everyone that I am a nurse as an appeal to authority. Obviously that helps, but I’ve been backing up claims with data. I stated that because as an RN, for those who don’t know, I have been reading medical literature ever since I was a student, and they frustratingly make you justify every intervention with med lit, even if it’s something as stupid as fluffing the patients pillow. I even had a buddy send me a “journal article” claiming that the mRNA vaccines are causing dementia. It was total BS and I thoroughly destroyed it because I know what real peer reviewed articles look like. I will actually read them and have a good understanding of what they’re actually saying. When you cite yourself 4 times, and your methods section is a single paragraph of gibberish (which is what this “journal” tried to do) I’m going to call that shit out.
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Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
Fuck off then. Seriously. If you want to come on here and pretend you're posting the truth, when it's pretty obvious "most dangerous vaccine" is made up shit. I call you out on it and you all you can say is "Jesus Christ".
I've made my claims, you can't fight back at them because everyone's ignorant who doesn't agree with your made up shit.
I don't come on here to deal with nonsense. If you want a conversation, you can have one, if you want to push a bullshit agenda, then see my first two words.
I have been reading a lot on covid and the vaccines since the very beginning of the pandemic, and I find her (or his) claims and links compelling and scientific. Beyond that, the poster is a NURSE. What claims are you making beyond the soundbites you've heard? What are your credentials?
if you can’t tell a bullshit artist when you see one you’re an idiot. You believe his crap because it goes along with the stupid narrative you choose. I know many doctors. I also know many nurses. Here’s a life lesson for you never trust a nurse’s medical advice.
...okay, bye now. Let me just say, this is one hell of an appeal to authority. I almost have to applaud the boldness. Trying to trump an RNs appeal to authority by citing that one “knows many doctors, and many RNs” and therefore you should listen to me when I say “never trust an RN”. If we’re determining credentials by how many doctors we know and RNs we know, then I also would win that gambit. Since I work with an entire host of MDs and RNs.
Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
Fuck off then. Seriously. If you want to come on here and pretend you're posting the truth, when it's pretty obvious "most dangerous vaccine" is made up shit. I call you out on it and you all you can say is "Jesus Christ".
I've made my claims, you can't fight back at them because everyone's ignorant who doesn't agree with your made up shit.
I don't come on here to deal with nonsense. If you want a conversation, you can have one, if you want to push a bullshit agenda, then see my first two words.
I have been reading a lot on covid and the vaccines since the very beginning of the pandemic, and I find her (or his) claims and links compelling and scientific. Beyond that, the poster is a NURSE. What claims are you making beyond the soundbites you've heard? What are your credentials?
if you can’t tell a bullshit artist when you see one you’re an idiot. You believe his crap because it goes along with the stupid narrative you choose. I know many doctors. I also know many nurses. Here’s a life lesson for you never trust a nurse’s medical advice.
And no MD you know supports your quack theory.
I remember you. When COVID first became a thing you said we should go herd immunity route because who knows how long it will take to come up with a vaccine. You said might as well rip the bandage off. Now it’s a vaccine is messing us up. Okay guy.
bye now
SweetSue92
Diamond Member
Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
Fuck off then. Seriously. If you want to come on here and pretend you're posting the truth, when it's pretty obvious "most dangerous vaccine" is made up shit. I call you out on it and you all you can say is "Jesus Christ".
I've made my claims, you can't fight back at them because everyone's ignorant who doesn't agree with your made up shit.
I don't come on here to deal with nonsense. If you want a conversation, you can have one, if you want to push a bullshit agenda, then see my first two words.
I have been reading a lot on covid and the vaccines since the very beginning of the pandemic, and I find her (or his) claims and links compelling and scientific. Beyond that, the poster is a NURSE. What claims are you making beyond the soundbites you've heard? What are your credentials?
Thank you. Let me state I didn’t tell everyone that I am a nurse as an appeal to authority. Obviously that helps, but I’ve been backing up claims with data. I stated that because as an RN, for those who don’t know, I have been reading medical literature ever since I was a student, and they frustratingly make you justify every intervention with med lit, even if it’s something as stupid as fluffing the patients pillow. I even had a buddy send me a “journal article” claiming that the mRNA vaccines are causing dementia. It was total BS and I thoroughly destroyed it because I know what real peer reviewed articles look like. I will actually read them and have a good understanding of what they’re actually saying. When you cite yourself 4 times, and your methods section is a single paragraph of gibberish (which is what this “journal” tried to do) I’m going to call that shit out.
There are some shaky claims out there. Probably the least helpful are the magnets sticking to people (!). But that there are shaky claims does not mean there aren't real problems with the vaccines.
Thanks again for putting the effort into this. Very helpful and good to know there are medical professionals who see problems with this (Btw, I'm accused of being "anti-vax". I'm not at all. I had all my shots; so did my kids. Such a peculiar accusation. Would the people making it do so with other meds? If you refuse one med your doc offers does that make you "anti-medicine"? What a joke.)
SweetSue92
Diamond Member
Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
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The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
Fuck off then. Seriously. If you want to come on here and pretend you're posting the truth, when it's pretty obvious "most dangerous vaccine" is made up shit. I call you out on it and you all you can say is "Jesus Christ".
I've made my claims, you can't fight back at them because everyone's ignorant who doesn't agree with your made up shit.
I don't come on here to deal with nonsense. If you want a conversation, you can have one, if you want to push a bullshit agenda, then see my first two words.
I have been reading a lot on covid and the vaccines since the very beginning of the pandemic, and I find her (or his) claims and links compelling and scientific. Beyond that, the poster is a NURSE. What claims are you making beyond the soundbites you've heard? What are your credentials?
if you can’t tell a bullshit artist when you see one you’re an idiot. You believe his crap because it goes along with the stupid narrative you choose. I know many doctors. I also know many nurses. Here’s a life lesson for you never trust a nurse’s medical advice.
Here's what I have observed. The shot lovers call a lot of names.
Those who are at least skeptical of the shots have a lot, a lot, a lot of data. They actually have....SCIENCE to back up claims.
Whoa, imagine that.
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Oh my god, a walking talking big pharma Commercial.Can the church of COVID vaccine send someone with a basic understand of how this all works?Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
This the pot calling the kettle black. Your entire post is filled with faulty premises, as well as logic.
1. You know how you develop myocarditis and at a much faster rate? By getting covid. Anyone who gets myocarditis from the shot probably would develop it from a covid infection but with the potential for way more complications.
2. How can antibodies from an infection be 100 times more robost than a vaccine induced one? Where is the evidence of this? Please post it, I'll wait.
3. Uh no. Correlation does not equal causation. There was a drop in cases in india because ppl freaked out and started masking up again, social distancing and staying at home. Not to mention there were a number of city wide lockdowns. This is what brought cases down so rapidly.
Forget about anyone under 30. Approximately 22% of all new covid cases in america are from 12-17 year olds.
1. People under 30, especially children, are not getting myocarditis from COVID. COVID may be the most stratified disease, age wise, in history. Almost as if it was designed by a country that believes they have a population problem and have no problem getting rid of the least productive citizens. People under 30 bodies are very efficient at fighting off the spike protein laden disease. But when you give them an mRNA sequence telling their very efficient bodies to make that very same spike protein our bodies find toxic (in layman terms)...well now that could turn into a problem. It would be messed up enough to push a harmless vaccine on kids for something that didn’t effect them. This is a whole new level. They are neither victims nor vectors for COVID.
2. Okay. the cliff notes version. A new virus enters the body. A white blood cells eats it and digests it into many different pieces. Those little pieces (antigens) become different models for our immune system to design antibodies to attach too. There’s around (loosely) 1000 of those little pieces turning into different targets for antibodies on the same virus. That’s natural immunity. For standard vaccine immunity, using partial or inert viruses, your body gets about 50 of those pieces. This particular vaccine, if you can call it that, is only offering up the spike protein of COVID. So at its best it only provides immunity from the symptoms of the spike protein, which isn’t the cause of all of COVID disease. This is why phizer and moderna never claim this is a prophylactic against COVID, but can reduce symptoms. It doesn’t stop you from getting COVID which is why it’s hard to even call it a vaccine.
3. Dear god, you’re like a soccer mom wandering into a mechanics shop, telling them how to fix a car by saying the only car part you know. The data on ivermectin is worldwide and undeniable. India was just the nail in the coffin for any doubters still remaining. You maybe could’ve made this argument the summer of last year, but this is as settled as science gets. This is why the Indian bar association is going after doctors who did not provide ivermectin. I can’t stop shaking my head on how stupid the statement of masks and lockdowns doing the trick. The data is also out on that voodoo science. Saying that masks work for airborne viruses is like saying eyeglasses double as excellent goggles for the pool.
It’s one thing to not really know what your talking about and throw out your honest opinion. It’s another to be this wrong and completely ignorant, yet believe you are so correct. Stop commenting.
That's hilarious considering your entire post is filled with disinformation and zero facts.
1. Actually about 1 in 100,000 children get myocarditis regularly. If you're going to include anyone under 30 that number goes way up. Coincidentally this is the highest risk group in any given year. The pitcher going against the yankees tonight had covid and had serious myocarditis and he's under 30.
2. The spike protein is how it gets into your cells. Without that ability the virus does nothing to you. Developing a wide range of antigens does nothing. Studies have shown antibodies from a natural infection don't last as long as ones produced from a vaccine, which are much more robust, the rate of reinfection is also anywhere from 15-20% from natural immunity, whereas the vaccine is way under 1%, and there is even recent data suggesting that those who have obtained natural immunity also still carry the virus and spreads it. Show me the evidence that proves natural immunity is 100x greater, you can't and never will.
No, again, let me correct you. The vaccine greatly reduces your odds of infection by 94-95% of the original strain and even some variants. That's straight from the CDC website. It's job isn't simply to reduce symptoms and allows you to carry the virus around. That's a right wing talking point and I've heard it before. It's disinformation. There have been a number of large studies especially out of the Israel Ministry of Health and the UK that the vaccine stops asymptomatic spread at a rate of 80-95%, it ranges from study to study, and might have something to do with the particular vaccine used, and in breakout cases you have a 40-60% reduction in asymptomatic spread compared to an unvaccinated person who's been infected.
3. No, i'm sorry, but it has not. There is no data to prove anything you're saying about Ivermectin otherwise the world would be all over it. This is nothing more than a right wing and antivaxxer wet dream fantasy, and that's all it'll ever will be until a legitimate double blind study is conducted. You know what's funny about all you ivermectin advocates? You bitch and cry about how the vaccines have not been thoroughly tested and how it's experimental, but because of politics, you completely throw all that bullshit rhetoric out the window when it comes to a horse dewormer. Talk about a double standard taken to the utmost extremes.
1. VAERS data is not compiled by just finding randos with myocarditis and throwing them up on VAERS. Technically, yes, anyone can submit a VAERS claim. HOWEVER, it is usually doctors that do and the CDC then requests the medical records and looks into the cases. Once they confirm that yes indeed this was most likely caused by the vaccine, then it goes up on the website. Try again. I once saw a “fact checker” try to claim that the VAERS death numbers (at the time was around 6000) were “probably not accurate” because “anyone can submit a VAERS claim”. Conveniently leaving out how the data actually gets compiled. This is the fucked up sort of dishonesty I never thought would infiltrate the medical community. Boy was I wrong.
2. Yes, the spike protein ASSISTS in entering the cell. However, it is also the cause of the weird inflammation and clotting we see with COVID acting as the viral version of an endotoxin. An endotoxin is a structure in bacteria, where the bacteria itself might not be harmful, but once it is killed (from something like stomach acid for example) and breaks apart, the structure itself is actually toxic. In the case of COVID, it stimulates some sort of autoimmune response. We’re not 100% sure on why, and how specifically it causes clotting problems in some people, but we know it’s the culprit. The culprit specifically behind the very bad symptoms, like low O2 saturation, painful breathing, etc. try again.
As far as antibodies lasting however such and such long. This is one of the biggest lies out there. If you’re regurgitating this, you got duped. Big time. The whole “we don’t know how long immunity last because we don’t see antibodies after a few months” was actually my wake up call to there being something fishy about the narrative. IF we were to retain antibodies for every single different microbial our immune system came across, we would literally explode. Our immune system stops making the antibodies (at least the vast majority of them) after a few months...BUT it retains a quick blueprint memory to re-making the antibodies in the memory T-Cells in the bone marrow. This is how our immune systems have worked for all time. Nothing as changed. As far as vaccine antibodies lasting longer or whatever sounds like complete bullshit to me, nor would it matter if it’s true. But our immune systems to differentiate whether it’s a vaccine or naturally occurring virus. It’s all deemed as a potential threat, and all treated the same way. Try again
As far as “more antigens don’t matter” is complete bullshit. Especially when it comes to detecting the variants. The natural immunity in Israel (as well as around the world) is around 96% effective, even among the variants. Saying the vaccine is a better immunity (even when the OP is pointing out its clearly not) is like saying Daewoo is a better car than a Ferrari. Try again.
3. The whole “it needs a double blind study” thing is a complete farce. Complete farce. There’s more data on ivermectin and COVID than basically anything the FDA or CDC put into their COVID treatment guidelines ALSO WITHOUT ANY DOUBLE BLIND STUDIES. Why? Because we’re in the middle of a pandemic and it’s just not practical to do double blind studies when people are dying. I’ve already posted the data, I’ll do so again. I’ve also addressed all the BS lies about it not working (basically one BS Columbia study) so try to find some new ones please.
This is good cliff notes version of ivermectin with Dr Pierre Kory (whose credentials are unassailable) and Rogan.
Here’s the pooled results of all the ivermectin studies
Some data on ivermectin in India specifically
Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 172 studies
Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 172 studiesc19ivermectin.com
Indian State Will Offer Ivermectin To Entire Adult Population â Even As WHO Warns Against Its Use As Covid-19 Treatment
Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug and its effectiveness as a Covid-19 treatment is yet to be fully established.www.forbes.com
Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.comHere’s the referenced Columbia study that the mainstream media loves (despite all other studies to the contrary)Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
Here’s the response of over 100 MDs to why that study is BS
Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19
This randomized trial compares the effects of ivermectin vs placebo on time to symptom resolution within 21 days among patients with mild COVID-19.jamanetwork.com
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Also, ivermectin is not just a horse dewormer you idiot. It won the fucking Nobel prize in 2015. It’s been around since the 70s and has been safely administered since. It has been a miracle drug for people in 3rd world countries, proving to be an effective broad spectrum anti-parasitic (notably against malaria). Now is showing to be an effective anti viral, maybe even a broad spectrum anti viral.
Does this sound like a “dangerous drug”, or “just a horse dewormer” to you??? Absurd. You can’t even tell a half decent lie.
The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2015
The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2015 was divided, one half jointly to William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura "for their discoveries concerning a novel therapy against infections caused by roundworm parasites" and the other half to Tu Youyou "for her discoveries concerning a novel...www.nobelprize.org
1. LOL. What does VAERS have anything to do with myocarditis and covid19, which was what we were talking about. Maybe you need to go to bed and put the alcohol away
2. I'm still waiting for your proof that immunity from natural infection is 100x more robust than from a vaccine. I'm almost finished with my popcorn and soda waiting for the comedy show to start.
3. Umm, so.....we shouldn't conduct any double blind studies to verify the safety and efficacy of a drug when ppl are dying, but wouldn't doing so actually save lives if it proves that it actually works in ppl to defeat covid? Countries would be mass producing it on wide scale and distributing it to every hospital. You know what you sound like right now? You sound like a car salesman deceptively trying to sell someone a lemon. "Oh no, it doesn't need to be test driven, I can guarantee it works, I'm an expert! Nothing to see here, nope, nothing at all, just take my word for it, it runs like a dream." Do you even listen to yourself? I'm not even against alternative treatments but when the right pushes so hard for some random drug it begins to lose all credibility. First it was hydroxychloroquine, now it's Ivermectin, next month they'll find another miracle cure, all so they don't have to go to the doctor and get their shots without crying. It's sad. Maybe there needs to be a campaign where doctors can offer lolipops in exchange for getting vaccinated.
This whole ivermectin propaganda campaign is like one giant amway pyramid scheme, where all the con men at the top filter disinformation to all the suckers below them, and they just repeat the same sale pitch over and over about the miracle drug Ivermectin. "Listen here, it's such a miracle drug, it doesn't even need FDA approval, just take it, it'll cure you, I promise!!"
1. I don’t even know what you’re confused about here? Do you not know what VAERS is? Your claim was that COVID was giving myocarditis to kids, after I said the vaccine was giving it to kids...and VAERS is the tracking system for adverse events with vaccines. Where are you getting hung up on? Is anyone else confused? Are you under the impression that the spike protein isn’t the culprit of inflammation with COVID? Wouldn’t make sense if that’s the case since you already claimed kids are getting it from COVID. I’m not sure what is so hard to understand here.
2.https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdch/Waiver_Ed_Natural_Immunity_479884_7.pdf
Literally the first result for the search that popped up. Also, notice the date. I would agree that, IF the vaccine works, IF the vaccine is safe, (these clot shots are neither), and IF the disease actually can infect the patient, then vaccine immunity is preferential STRICTLY on the basis that you don’t have to deal with disease. That’s a no duh statement, but I’ve had to make those a lot in this thread. Y’all can’t seem to put two and two together. That being said adaptive immunity to the actual disease vs a husk of the disease produces a wider range of antibodies against the disease. This is microbiology 101. Maybe 102. Common knowledge among anyone whose taken these classes, doctor or janitor or whatever. Do I have to explain to you how immunity works and how vaccines work again, and connect all those dots for you ? A vaccine uses inert or partial microbials. Meaning the pathogenic parts or large chunks of the microbial are removed. Ipso facto, less parts for the immune system to identify as that pathogen. Very often a lot less. Are you still with me? On top of that, a vaccine will introduce to the immune system the exact same copy of antigen pieces every single time. This is opposed to a natural infection, in which microevolution is a thing. Meaning because of the sheer numbers and rapid rate of reproduction of microbials, you can watch mutations and basically evolution happen in real time. Let’s take that to its logical conclusion. If microevolution is a thing, then that must mean a bodies immune system gets introduced to multiple variants of a disease when it occurs naturally. ESPECIALLY when it comes to rapidly mutating RNA viruses (in which we’ve never made vaccines for). Did you follow all of that?
3. Strawman argument. I would love a large scale double blind study of ivermectin and COVID to be done. Let’s do it. However, using that as an excuse not to take ivermectin is ridiculous. Big pharma propagandists can just throw medical terms at y’all completely out of context like “double blind studies”, and “variants” because they think your stupid and lazy and won’t look into it. And it works, so connect those dots. Double blind studies are USUALLY carried out and paid for by drug producers. They require a lot of time, money, and coordination among many doctors, among many hospitals, among many different countries. Sometimes drugs already determined safe, and already in circulation are found to have secondary uses for different diseases. Usually these get proven by randomized controlled trials. This is sometimes proven by non-double blind studies. Sometimes they get confirmed many years later with double blind studies (usually by researches who just want to say they’ve been published). Sometimes not. Either way doctors prescribe these drugs with alternative uses ALL THE TIME. Take for instance, one of the steroids the NIH (maybe it was the CDC) recommended to use for the respiratory inflammation caused by COVID (it actually turns out to not even be the best steroid for COVID). No double blind study there. Want to explain why no ones calling for a double blind study for that? Or the HAART cocktail for treating HIV. All drugs in circulation for some other disease found to have alternative uses with the AIDS virus. A very effective cocktail. I don’t think there’s a single double blind study there. We’ve been using that cocktail for decades now.
What ivermectin does have is 50 different studies, 30 of them RANDOMIZED CONTROLLED TRIALS. Thousands of subjects. The “wheres whole double blind study” is an absolute farce. Doctors actually treating the COVID patients in front of them are conducting these studies. Kind of hard to make it a double blind study. It also takes a long time to set it up. It’s also hard to do so with a rapidly mutating RNA virus. In the middle of a pandemic. On a highly stratified disease. It also doesn’t help when there is ZERO FINANCIAL INCENTIVE and instead BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BE LOST if ivermectin is indeed as effective as the randomized controlled studies have shown. Are you starting to see why the “nO dOuBlE bLiNd StUdy” claim is absurd?
I also assume you live under some sort of rock type structure? Have you not heard that the one single lancet study against HCQ was complete BS and had to be retracted? And as soon as Biden got in (I believe it was) Hopkins that said “turns out HCQ works pretty well when used early” in hilarious but predictable fashion. Like, if you’ve been on USMB I assume there’s been like 50 “I told you so with HCQ” threads when that all came out. I assumed the push against HCQ was because orange man bad said it. But now I think there’s more of a financial incentive. Probably both. But yes HCQ is effective against COVID, more so than remdisivir (which is 5 grand a pop), when used early. I only recommend ivermectin because it’s even better than HCQ, at all stages of the disease, even as a prophylactic. And there’s no GI side effects like those that sometimes come with HCQ. And no, before you go down this road, some GI side effects don’t make HCQ “dangerous”. We’ve been safely administering it since the 60s. Basically all antibiotics have GI side effects as well. Stop with “it’s potentially dangerous” BS. It’s also absurd.
Also, pushing ivermectin over vaccine is most certainly not a right wing issue. Trump and trumpets are trying to make these damn vaccines and operation warp speed trumps legacy. It’s so goddamn stupid.
Edit: apparently the one link didn’t work
Another Edit: As far as “prove natural immunity is better than vaccine”. I’ll point you back to the OP. Just use your eyes and common sense and look at Israel. Or whatever other heavily vaccinated country you want too. UK is another great example. But you know I guess shut up and keep taking your vaccine plebes for every variant that pops up. And don’t you dare ask any questions like “are the vaccines actually working if we have to get a ‘booster’ every 12 months?” If y’all can’t see the paradoxical statement in that, then you deserve to ripped off by these companies.
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Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
Fuck off then. Seriously. If you want to come on here and pretend you're posting the truth, when it's pretty obvious "most dangerous vaccine" is made up shit. I call you out on it and you all you can say is "Jesus Christ".
I've made my claims, you can't fight back at them because everyone's ignorant who doesn't agree with your made up shit.
I don't come on here to deal with nonsense. If you want a conversation, you can have one, if you want to push a bullshit agenda, then see my first two words.
I have been reading a lot on covid and the vaccines since the very beginning of the pandemic, and I find her (or his) claims and links compelling and scientific. Beyond that, the poster is a NURSE. What claims are you making beyond the soundbites you've heard? What are your credentials?
if you can’t tell a bullshit artist when you see one you’re an idiot. You believe his crap because it goes along with the stupid narrative you choose. I know many doctors. I also know many nurses. Here’s a life lesson for you never trust a nurse’s medical advice.
And no MD you know supports your quack theory.
I remember you. When COVID first became a thing you said we should go herd immunity route because who knows how long it will take to come up with a vaccine. You said might as well rip the bandage off. Now it’s a vaccine is messing us up. Okay guy.
bye now
Yuh, and I stand by that. Absolutely. Specifically a controlled approach to herd immunity. As in pouring all of our resources into protecting the at risk population. Especially with how stratified this disease is among age groups. It was the obvious approach. I even advocated for locking down for a month in order to prepare our hospitals before lockdowns. Turns out if we had been using ivermectin last year we’d have an 81% reduction in deaths, and 60% reduction in hospitalizations.
Ask Sweden and Florida how that went. Ask Japan or Israel with their high rate of compliance with lockdowns, masking, and vaccinations is going for them now. Sweden is right in the middle of the EU as far as COVID cases, deaths, etc. Florida is right in the middle of the US with cases, deaths, etc. How much more evidence do y’all need that masks and lockdowns DONT WORK. This is nothing new. We’ve known for decades according to our own CDC that once an airborne virus reaches 1% of the population, it is impossible to contain. We’ve also known, for decades, that masks don’t work a damn bit for airborne transmission. They moderately work for droplet transmission, but not airborne. Like saying eyeglasses double as great goggles to keep your eyes dry in a pool. It also turns out social distancing was some idiot idea from a high school kid 10 years ago, and doesn’t work at all. As if that even had to be said. That’s allllll voodoo science. The CDC could’ve said do a rain dance to keep the evil spirits away and it would’ve worked just as well.
Even if it did work, let’s look at the implications. We know we can’t contain the virus, but maybe slowing the spread is possible. Okay, maybe we hold off giving grandma the virus for a whole year. Yay! Oh wait, eventually the virus will get to grandma, and guess what. She’s now a year older, and has not gotten any healthier. *Shoulder Shrug*
Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
Fuck off then. Seriously. If you want to come on here and pretend you're posting the truth, when it's pretty obvious "most dangerous vaccine" is made up shit. I call you out on it and you all you can say is "Jesus Christ".
I've made my claims, you can't fight back at them because everyone's ignorant who doesn't agree with your made up shit.
I don't come on here to deal with nonsense. If you want a conversation, you can have one, if you want to push a bullshit agenda, then see my first two words.
I have been reading a lot on covid and the vaccines since the very beginning of the pandemic, and I find her (or his) claims and links compelling and scientific. Beyond that, the poster is a NURSE. What claims are you making beyond the soundbites you've heard? What are your credentials?
if you can’t tell a bullshit artist when you see one you’re an idiot. You believe his crap because it goes along with the stupid narrative you choose. I know many doctors. I also know many nurses. Here’s a life lesson for you never trust a nurse’s medical advice.
And no MD you know supports your quack theory.
I remember you. When COVID first became a thing you said we should go herd immunity route because who knows how long it will take to come up with a vaccine. You said might as well rip the bandage off. Now it’s a vaccine is messing us up. Okay guy.
bye now
Yuh, and I stand by that. Absolutely. Specifically a controlled approach to herd immunity. As in pouring all of our resources into protecting the at risk population. Especially with how stratified this disease is among age groups. It was the obvious approach. I even advocated for locking down for a month in order to prepare our hospitals before lockdowns. Turns out if we had been using ivermectin last year we’d have an 81% reduction in deaths, and 60% reduction in hospitalizations.
Ask Sweden and Florida how that went. Ask Japan or Israel with their high rate of compliance with lockdowns, masking, and vaccinations is going for them now. Sweden is right in the middle of the EU as far as COVID cases, deaths, etc. Florida is right in the middle of the US with cases, deaths, etc. How much more evidence do y’all need that masks and lockdowns DONT WORK. This is nothing new. We’ve known for decades according to our own CDC that once an airborne virus reaches 1% of the population, it is impossible to contain. We’ve also known, for decades, that masks don’t work a damn bit for airborne transmission. They moderately work for droplet transmission, but not airborne. Like saying eyeglasses double as great goggles to keep your eyes dry in a pool. It also turns out social distancing was some idiot idea from a high school kid 10 years ago, and doesn’t work at all. As if that even had to be said. That’s allllll voodoo science. The CDC could’ve said do a rain dance to keep the evil spirits away and it would’ve worked just as well.
Even if it did work, let’s look at the implications. We know we can’t contain the virus, but maybe slowing the spread is possible. Okay, maybe we hold off giving grandma the virus for a whole year. Yay! Oh wait, eventually the virus will get to grandma, and guess what. She’s now a year older, and has not gotten any healthier. *Shoulder Shrug*
So to get this straight you’re not an antivaxxer, you and your kids took a vaccine, but you feel that people taking the vaccine is not letting the virus run its natural course by getting weaker and dying out by itself..am I right so far?
Yeah when Covid became a problem you said getting a vaccine was hopeless, now you’re you’re saying we have vaccines but that’s a bad thing, right?
why should anyone take you seriously?
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Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Let me restate. I am not an anti Vaxer. I am up to date on all my shots, as well as my kids.
VAERS is the vaccine adverse event reporting system (I think, whatever, you get the picture). If I remember correctly it was started by Robert Kennedy. It works in conjunction with the CDC. Doctors send it cases of possible adverse events, meaning an allergic reaction (anaphylaxis), Guillian-Barre, Bell’s palsy, etc. The cdc then checks the medical records to make sure he vaccine was most likely the culprit. Then it goes into the VAERS database. VAERS is not some nutty conspiracy site/database. It’s the medical communities standard tracking apparatus. One that’s been used to disprove many of the anti-vaxer theories.
Do I really have to explain to you there is a difference between reporting and confirming? I suppose so. In a standard drug trial, when any adverse event happens, it gets reported. Whether it was clearly not caused by the drug or not. Then it gets confirmed as an AE caused by the drug, or not. It’s still important to report all AE even when it’s widely believed not to be caused by the drug in question just in case there is a trend. Here’s a bad example, but an illustration. 20 people got hit by a bus on our drug. Clearly it’s not caused by the drug. Oh wait, our subjects are getting hit by buses at a higher clip than the average public, maybe it’s causing bus blindness. We should look into that. Clearly that’s silly, but illustrates why it’s important to report all adverse events. So, VAERS is NOT displaying the REPORTED adverse events. I’ve already clearly stated this in previous posts. That would be insane for public trust in vaccines because you wouldn’t want Jenny McCarthy to report that she took a vaccine and her vagina exploded 50 times. The CDC would call up Jenny and say hey, let us see them records. She obviously wouldn’t be able to produce them. Then that report would NOT go up onto VAERS. If it’s murky whether or not an AE was caused by a vaccine it does not go up. On top of that, VAERS tracks the time elapsed from the jab to when the AE happens. So you can see, “hey we’re seeing a lot of myocarditis 2 days out from the jab”.
Anaphylaxis (an allergic reaction) is just ONE type of adverse event. Its fairly common as far as AEs for standard vaccines go. Let me talk down now and make sure we understand the above statement correctly, because I’m not going to address you saying “aNaPhYlAxIs iSnT cOmMoN fOr JaBs.” That’s NOT what I said. As far adverse events among vaccines, anaphylaxis is a common adverse event in standard vaccines. So the CDC is just bringing up one event. So that’s like a car with 10 things wrong with it, and the manufacturer says, it’s just the oil filters that go bad. This is the same CDC that used the criminally wrong imperial college models, that were incredibly far off. The CDC is not that dumb, but they know y’all are. The same CDC that agreed with the one BS lancet study (that they knew was BS) on HCQ showing no efficacy, that LATER HAD TO BE RETRACTED AFTER THE SMALLEST BIT OF SCRUTINY. The same CDC whose director went of TV and said that masks work better than a vaccine for airborne viruses, which is insane, but the CDC is not insane. The same CDC that was recommending a testing PCR rate of 30, which is also insane as stated by the worlds top virologist at Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford, etc. Although, if you’ve taken the vaccine, they recommend a PCR test at 15, which is what it should’ve been all along. Ain’t that something? Again, the CDC is not this dumb. The same CDC that a month ago had to say “whoops we kind of inflated the pediatric COVID hospitalization rate (which was already low) by damn near double. CDC is not this stupid. And then a couple of weeks ago GOT CAUGHT LYING ABOUT THEIR OWN NUMBERS when they said teens COVID rates are exploding, when if you turn the x axis back a week it was the most minor of bumps on a sharply declining rate. These are the games the CDC has been playing with the public. There has long been an incestuous relationship among CDC, NIH, Universities grant systems, big pharma board seats and no show/cushy jobs, hospital board seats, lobbying, etc. I never thought that the doctors on the ground would put their patients at risk due to the games played by the bureaucrats and lobbyists, outside of selling a more expensive drug over the generic or something to that effect. Turns out most doctors work for large medical corporations, as private practice is dying (a whole other issue). Corporations put up guidelines their doctors are supposed to follow. Those guidelines are set up by organizations like the NIH, and CDC. I couldn’t tell you the motivations for the CDC diving head first for COVID panic porn and vaccine mongering. It’s probably a combination of many with some politics thrown in there too. But the CDC and NIH have been absolutely derelict this entire pandemic. Just so we get that clear and out of the way.
I suppose because someone on Reddit said that scholarly journals don’t use pseudonyms, it must be true. Wrong. It’s not common because most researchers want that credit, obviously. But it does happen, and there’s nothing barring them from doing so. As long as the study is reproducible, why would it matter? There’s actually a famous case of a conglomerate of big pharma research insiders using a pseudonym to call BS on their own companies. So anytime some insider saw something wrong, they’d use this particular pseudonym. It’s been sort of a reoccurring deep throat for the medical community. It would also make total sense that someone would want to publish an ivermectin study under a pseudonym in this climate. The suppression of things like HCQ and ivermectin has been absolutely insane. The fucking fed is actually coming after a doctor for recommending vitamin D supplements to help with resilience to COVID, which is 100% true. Dr Peter McCullough is senior editor at the top cardiovascular journal, as well as editor for a few other journals. Is the most published doctor on the subject of treating COVID, and not for backwater journals that are ego boosts for pointless research. Further he’s treated thousands of patients with COVID with extreme success rates. And mainstream media is trying to call him a quack for saying “hey, let’s actually treat COVID at the onset of symptoms, like we would with strep throat (or insert any other disease under the sun).” So it doesn’t surprise me at al someone would use a pseudonym for going against big pharma, fauci, and their corporate media flying monkeys. The reason why they’re coming after ivermectin is because the patent has been up on it for a while, it’s extremely cheap, and no one makes money off of it. Not big pharma, not the hospitals, not the media relying on big pharma ads (especially Fox News). Instead they want to use remdisivir, which at best is 40% effective (that’s looking like a flop as the data comes in) which they charge 5 grand a pop for. Interestingly enough, Merck, the creator of ivermectin is saying their own drug isn’t “safe” for COVID. You might say Ah-Ha, proof ivermectin is a farce. Until you learn Merck got a 2 billion dollar grant from the govt to produce a drug THAT LOOKS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE IVERMECTIN JUST CHANGED ENOUGH TO FILE A NEW PATENT ON.
As far as India, different provinces had their own different guidelines, which is why it was such a slam dunk for ivermectin. You could compare provinces using it vs those using remdisivir or whatever they chose to go with. I’ll state it again, the Indian Bar association (you know that little org that actually liscences the lawyers) is going after officials/MDs who did not recommend ivermectin. It’s quite the statement. And let’s not forget INDIAS DEATH PER MILLION RATE IS 1/7 THAT OF THE UNITED STATES. Despite that whole delta variant scare porn fiasco.
I don't care whether you think you're an anti-vaxer or not. You're making you argument and I'm opposing those things I think are wrong.
I know what VAERS is, but your website was openVAERS. Who knows who runs it, who knows where they get their info from. "OpenVAERS is a project developed by a small team of people with vaccine injuries or have children with vaccine injuries. " That's what they say. Could be anyone, could be any one with a narrative to push. Who knows?
The issue here, and with most of your post, is one of who to trust. You have information from some guy who we literally have no idea who he is. Is that reliable information? No, it's not. It could just be some kid pretending to be a doctor.
As for India, you made the case that Ivermectin is doing a great job, but you're not backing up your claim. You're telling me I could go look at regional data, but YOU haven't gone and looked at this data. You haven't made a compelling case that it would be an effective drug to use en masse against the coronavirus. Simple as.
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Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Let me restate. I am not an anti Vaxer. I am up to date on all my shots, as well as my kids.
VAERS is the vaccine adverse event reporting system (I think, whatever, you get the picture). If I remember correctly it was started by Robert Kennedy. It works in conjunction with the CDC. Doctors send it cases of possible adverse events, meaning an allergic reaction (anaphylaxis), Guillian-Barre, Bell’s palsy, etc. The cdc then checks the medical records to make sure he vaccine was most likely the culprit. Then it goes into the VAERS database. VAERS is not some nutty conspiracy site/database. It’s the medical communities standard tracking apparatus. One that’s been used to disprove many of the anti-vaxer theories.
Do I really have to explain to you there is a difference between reporting and confirming? I suppose so. In a standard drug trial, when any adverse event happens, it gets reported. Whether it was clearly not caused by the drug or not. Then it gets confirmed as an AE caused by the drug, or not. It’s still important to report all AE even when it’s widely believed not to be caused by the drug in question just in case there is a trend. Here’s a bad example, but an illustration. 20 people got hit by a bus on our drug. Clearly it’s not caused by the drug. Oh wait, our subjects are getting hit by buses at a higher clip than the average public, maybe it’s causing bus blindness. We should look into that. Clearly that’s silly, but illustrates why it’s important to report all adverse events. So, VAERS is NOT displaying the REPORTED adverse events. I’ve already clearly stated this in previous posts. That would be insane for public trust in vaccines because you wouldn’t want Jenny McCarthy to report that she took a vaccine and her vagina exploded 50 times. The CDC would call up Jenny and say hey, let us see them records. She obviously wouldn’t be able to produce them. Then that report would NOT go up onto VAERS. If it’s murky whether or not an AE was caused by a vaccine it does not go up. On top of that, VAERS tracks the time elapsed from the jab to when the AE happens. So you can see, “hey we’re seeing a lot of myocarditis 2 days out from the jab”.
Anaphylaxis (an allergic reaction) is just ONE type of adverse event. Its fairly common as far as AEs for standard vaccines go. Let me talk down now and make sure we understand the above statement correctly, because I’m not going to address you saying “aNaPhYlAxIs iSnT cOmMoN fOr JaBs.” That’s NOT what I said. As far adverse events among vaccines, anaphylaxis is a common adverse event in standard vaccines. So the CDC is just bringing up one event. So that’s like a car with 10 things wrong with it, and the manufacturer says, it’s just the oil filters that go bad. This is the same CDC that used the criminally wrong imperial college models, that were incredibly far off. The CDC is not that dumb, but they know y’all are. The same CDC that agreed with the one BS lancet study (that they knew was BS) on HCQ showing no efficacy, that LATER HAD TO BE RETRACTED AFTER THE SMALLEST BIT OF SCRUTINY. The same CDC whose director went of TV and said that masks work better than a vaccine for airborne viruses, which is insane, but the CDC is not insane. The same CDC that was recommending a testing PCR rate of 30, which is also insane as stated by the worlds top virologist at Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford, etc. Although, if you’ve taken the vaccine, they recommend a PCR test at 15, which is what it should’ve been all along. Ain’t that something? Again, the CDC is not this dumb. The same CDC that a month ago had to say “whoops we kind of inflated the pediatric COVID hospitalization rate (which was already low) by damn near double. CDC is not this stupid. And then a couple of weeks ago GOT CAUGHT LYING ABOUT THEIR OWN NUMBERS when they said teens COVID rates are exploding, when if you turn the x axis back a week it was the most minor of bumps on a sharply declining rate. These are the games the CDC has been playing with the public. There has long been an incestuous relationship among CDC, NIH, Universities grant systems, big pharma board seats and no show/cushy jobs, hospital board seats, lobbying, etc. I never thought that the doctors on the ground would put their patients at risk due to the games played by the bureaucrats and lobbyists, outside of selling a more expensive drug over the generic or something to that effect. Turns out most doctors work for large medical corporations, as private practice is dying (a whole other issue). Corporations put up guidelines their doctors are supposed to follow. Those guidelines are set up by organizations like the NIH, and CDC. I couldn’t tell you the motivations for the CDC diving head first for COVID panic porn and vaccine mongering. It’s probably a combination of many with some politics thrown in there too. But the CDC and NIH have been absolutely derelict this entire pandemic. Just so we get that clear and out of the way.
I suppose because someone on Reddit said that scholarly journals don’t use pseudonyms, it must be true. Wrong. It’s not common because most researchers want that credit, obviously. But it does happen, and there’s nothing barring them from doing so. As long as the study is reproducible, why would it matter? There’s actually a famous case of a conglomerate of big pharma research insiders using a pseudonym to call BS on their own companies. So anytime some insider saw something wrong, they’d use this particular pseudonym. It’s been sort of a reoccurring deep throat for the medical community. It would also make total sense that someone would want to publish an ivermectin study under a pseudonym in this climate. The suppression of things like HCQ and ivermectin has been absolutely insane. The fucking fed is actually coming after a doctor for recommending vitamin D supplements to help with resilience to COVID, which is 100% true. Dr Peter McCullough is senior editor at the top cardiovascular journal, as well as editor for a few other journals. Is the most published doctor on the subject of treating COVID, and not for backwater journals that are ego boosts for pointless research. Further he’s treated thousands of patients with COVID with extreme success rates. And mainstream media is trying to call him a quack for saying “hey, let’s actually treat COVID at the onset of symptoms, like we would with strep throat (or insert any other disease under the sun).” So it doesn’t surprise me at al someone would use a pseudonym for going against big pharma, fauci, and their corporate media flying monkeys. The reason why they’re coming after ivermectin is because the patent has been up on it for a while, it’s extremely cheap, and no one makes money off of it. Not big pharma, not the hospitals, not the media relying on big pharma ads (especially Fox News). Instead they want to use remdisivir, which at best is 40% effective (that’s looking like a flop as the data comes in) which they charge 5 grand a pop for. Interestingly enough, Merck, the creator of ivermectin is saying their own drug isn’t “safe” for COVID. You might say Ah-Ha, proof ivermectin is a farce. Until you learn Merck got a 2 billion dollar grant from the govt to produce a drug THAT LOOKS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE IVERMECTIN JUST CHANGED ENOUGH TO FILE A NEW PATENT ON.
As far as India, different provinces had their own different guidelines, which is why it was such a slam dunk for ivermectin. You could compare provinces using it vs those using remdisivir or whatever they chose to go with. I’ll state it again, the Indian Bar association (you know that little org that actually liscences the lawyers) is going after officials/MDs who did not recommend ivermectin. It’s quite the statement. And let’s not forget INDIAS DEATH PER MILLION RATE IS 1/7 THAT OF THE UNITED STATES. Despite that whole delta variant scare porn fiasco.
I don't care whether you think you're an anti-vaxer or not. You're making you argument and I'm opposing those things I think are wrong.
I know what VAERS is, but your website was openVAERS. Who knows who runs it, who knows where they get their info from. "OpenVAERS is a project developed by a small team of people with vaccine injuries or have children with vaccine injuries. " That's what they say. Could be anyone, could be any one with a narrative to push. Who knows?
The issue here, and with most of your post, is one of who to trust. You have information from some guy who we literally have no idea who he is. Is that reliable information? No, it's not. It could just be some kid pretending to be a doctor.
As for India, you made the case that Ivermectin is doing a great job, but you're not backing up your claim. You're telling me I could go look at regional data, but YOU haven't gone and looked at this data. You haven't made a compelling case that it would be an effective drug to use en masse against the coronavirus. Simple as.
OpenVAERS is just a less clunky quicker searching VAERS. VAERS, if you haven’t tried it, is very clunky. More so than pubmed. That’s all. It gets its data from VAERS, it’s just way easier to find what you’re looking for. Confirm the data on VAERS if you want. Ask me for tips on searching if you need, which you probably will.
And no I have not been giving y’all information from one guy. And it’s not just any guy. It’s multiple highly credentialed doctors and researchers at the zenith of the medical industry. Many of whom are actually treating COVID patients and seeing the results for themselves. The only credentials these guys are missing is maybe a Nobel prize. Do your own research on these guys yourself if you wish. Peter McCullough, Pierre Kory, Mobeen Syad, Bryan Tyson, Ryan Cole, George Fareed, Harvey Risch, just off the top of my head. You don’t get any higher credentials than these guys. There’s also thousands of lesser known MDs who support and prescribe ivermectin. Mind you, it is not part of the NIH/CDC guidelines for treating COVID. It’s important to note that because it leaves these docs open to liability if it doesn’t work out. These guys are putting their money, licenses , and careers on the line.
I am almost damn near positive I did show that, specifically with you. Here it is once again.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
- Mar 7, 2014
- 45,071
- 9,117
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Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
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The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Let me restate. I am not an anti Vaxer. I am up to date on all my shots, as well as my kids.
VAERS is the vaccine adverse event reporting system (I think, whatever, you get the picture). If I remember correctly it was started by Robert Kennedy. It works in conjunction with the CDC. Doctors send it cases of possible adverse events, meaning an allergic reaction (anaphylaxis), Guillian-Barre, Bell’s palsy, etc. The cdc then checks the medical records to make sure he vaccine was most likely the culprit. Then it goes into the VAERS database. VAERS is not some nutty conspiracy site/database. It’s the medical communities standard tracking apparatus. One that’s been used to disprove many of the anti-vaxer theories.
Do I really have to explain to you there is a difference between reporting and confirming? I suppose so. In a standard drug trial, when any adverse event happens, it gets reported. Whether it was clearly not caused by the drug or not. Then it gets confirmed as an AE caused by the drug, or not. It’s still important to report all AE even when it’s widely believed not to be caused by the drug in question just in case there is a trend. Here’s a bad example, but an illustration. 20 people got hit by a bus on our drug. Clearly it’s not caused by the drug. Oh wait, our subjects are getting hit by buses at a higher clip than the average public, maybe it’s causing bus blindness. We should look into that. Clearly that’s silly, but illustrates why it’s important to report all adverse events. So, VAERS is NOT displaying the REPORTED adverse events. I’ve already clearly stated this in previous posts. That would be insane for public trust in vaccines because you wouldn’t want Jenny McCarthy to report that she took a vaccine and her vagina exploded 50 times. The CDC would call up Jenny and say hey, let us see them records. She obviously wouldn’t be able to produce them. Then that report would NOT go up onto VAERS. If it’s murky whether or not an AE was caused by a vaccine it does not go up. On top of that, VAERS tracks the time elapsed from the jab to when the AE happens. So you can see, “hey we’re seeing a lot of myocarditis 2 days out from the jab”.
Anaphylaxis (an allergic reaction) is just ONE type of adverse event. Its fairly common as far as AEs for standard vaccines go. Let me talk down now and make sure we understand the above statement correctly, because I’m not going to address you saying “aNaPhYlAxIs iSnT cOmMoN fOr JaBs.” That’s NOT what I said. As far adverse events among vaccines, anaphylaxis is a common adverse event in standard vaccines. So the CDC is just bringing up one event. So that’s like a car with 10 things wrong with it, and the manufacturer says, it’s just the oil filters that go bad. This is the same CDC that used the criminally wrong imperial college models, that were incredibly far off. The CDC is not that dumb, but they know y’all are. The same CDC that agreed with the one BS lancet study (that they knew was BS) on HCQ showing no efficacy, that LATER HAD TO BE RETRACTED AFTER THE SMALLEST BIT OF SCRUTINY. The same CDC whose director went of TV and said that masks work better than a vaccine for airborne viruses, which is insane, but the CDC is not insane. The same CDC that was recommending a testing PCR rate of 30, which is also insane as stated by the worlds top virologist at Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford, etc. Although, if you’ve taken the vaccine, they recommend a PCR test at 15, which is what it should’ve been all along. Ain’t that something? Again, the CDC is not this dumb. The same CDC that a month ago had to say “whoops we kind of inflated the pediatric COVID hospitalization rate (which was already low) by damn near double. CDC is not this stupid. And then a couple of weeks ago GOT CAUGHT LYING ABOUT THEIR OWN NUMBERS when they said teens COVID rates are exploding, when if you turn the x axis back a week it was the most minor of bumps on a sharply declining rate. These are the games the CDC has been playing with the public. There has long been an incestuous relationship among CDC, NIH, Universities grant systems, big pharma board seats and no show/cushy jobs, hospital board seats, lobbying, etc. I never thought that the doctors on the ground would put their patients at risk due to the games played by the bureaucrats and lobbyists, outside of selling a more expensive drug over the generic or something to that effect. Turns out most doctors work for large medical corporations, as private practice is dying (a whole other issue). Corporations put up guidelines their doctors are supposed to follow. Those guidelines are set up by organizations like the NIH, and CDC. I couldn’t tell you the motivations for the CDC diving head first for COVID panic porn and vaccine mongering. It’s probably a combination of many with some politics thrown in there too. But the CDC and NIH have been absolutely derelict this entire pandemic. Just so we get that clear and out of the way.
I suppose because someone on Reddit said that scholarly journals don’t use pseudonyms, it must be true. Wrong. It’s not common because most researchers want that credit, obviously. But it does happen, and there’s nothing barring them from doing so. As long as the study is reproducible, why would it matter? There’s actually a famous case of a conglomerate of big pharma research insiders using a pseudonym to call BS on their own companies. So anytime some insider saw something wrong, they’d use this particular pseudonym. It’s been sort of a reoccurring deep throat for the medical community. It would also make total sense that someone would want to publish an ivermectin study under a pseudonym in this climate. The suppression of things like HCQ and ivermectin has been absolutely insane. The fucking fed is actually coming after a doctor for recommending vitamin D supplements to help with resilience to COVID, which is 100% true. Dr Peter McCullough is senior editor at the top cardiovascular journal, as well as editor for a few other journals. Is the most published doctor on the subject of treating COVID, and not for backwater journals that are ego boosts for pointless research. Further he’s treated thousands of patients with COVID with extreme success rates. And mainstream media is trying to call him a quack for saying “hey, let’s actually treat COVID at the onset of symptoms, like we would with strep throat (or insert any other disease under the sun).” So it doesn’t surprise me at al someone would use a pseudonym for going against big pharma, fauci, and their corporate media flying monkeys. The reason why they’re coming after ivermectin is because the patent has been up on it for a while, it’s extremely cheap, and no one makes money off of it. Not big pharma, not the hospitals, not the media relying on big pharma ads (especially Fox News). Instead they want to use remdisivir, which at best is 40% effective (that’s looking like a flop as the data comes in) which they charge 5 grand a pop for. Interestingly enough, Merck, the creator of ivermectin is saying their own drug isn’t “safe” for COVID. You might say Ah-Ha, proof ivermectin is a farce. Until you learn Merck got a 2 billion dollar grant from the govt to produce a drug THAT LOOKS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE IVERMECTIN JUST CHANGED ENOUGH TO FILE A NEW PATENT ON.
As far as India, different provinces had their own different guidelines, which is why it was such a slam dunk for ivermectin. You could compare provinces using it vs those using remdisivir or whatever they chose to go with. I’ll state it again, the Indian Bar association (you know that little org that actually liscences the lawyers) is going after officials/MDs who did not recommend ivermectin. It’s quite the statement. And let’s not forget INDIAS DEATH PER MILLION RATE IS 1/7 THAT OF THE UNITED STATES. Despite that whole delta variant scare porn fiasco.
I don't care whether you think you're an anti-vaxer or not. You're making you argument and I'm opposing those things I think are wrong.
I know what VAERS is, but your website was openVAERS. Who knows who runs it, who knows where they get their info from. "OpenVAERS is a project developed by a small team of people with vaccine injuries or have children with vaccine injuries. " That's what they say. Could be anyone, could be any one with a narrative to push. Who knows?
The issue here, and with most of your post, is one of who to trust. You have information from some guy who we literally have no idea who he is. Is that reliable information? No, it's not. It could just be some kid pretending to be a doctor.
As for India, you made the case that Ivermectin is doing a great job, but you're not backing up your claim. You're telling me I could go look at regional data, but YOU haven't gone and looked at this data. You haven't made a compelling case that it would be an effective drug to use en masse against the coronavirus. Simple as.
OpenVAERS is just a less clunky quicker searching VAERS. VAERS, if you haven’t tried it, is very clunky. More so than pubmed. That’s all. It gets its data from VAERS, it’s just way easier to find what you’re looking for. Confirm the data on VAERS if you want. Ask me for tips on searching if you need, which you probably will.
And no I have not been giving y’all information from one guy. And it’s not just any guy. It’s multiple highly credentialed doctors and researchers at the zenith of the medical industry. Many of whom are actually treating COVID patients and seeing the results for themselves. The only credentials these guys are missing is maybe a Nobel prize. Do your own research on these guys yourself if you wish. Peter McCullough, Pierre Kory, Mobeen Syad, Bryan Tyson, Ryan Cole, George Fareed, Harvey Risch, just off the top of my head. You don’t get any higher credentials than these guys. There’s also thousands of lesser known MDs who support and prescribe ivermectin. Mind you, it is not part of the NIH/CDC guidelines for treating COVID. It’s important to note that because it leaves these docs open to liability if it doesn’t work out. These guys are putting their money, licenses , and careers on the line.
I am almost damn near positive I did show that, specifically with you. Here it is once again.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
The problem is the openVAERS website literally makes no claim to be connected to VAERS. They literally say they're just a bunch of people who have suffered or had kids who have suffered from the negative effects of vaccines.
Okay, you say that 11,000 people have died BECAUSE OF THE VACCINE. You have the openVAERS website to "prove" this.
Show me where it says this on the VAERS website, or the CDC website. (it doesn't, just to make things easier for you, I've explained that already).
No offense, but you haven't been giving that much information at all. What you have been giving is dodgy at best. Information about deaths after having received a vaccine, which is almost meaningless, some info about Ivermectin that doesn't say anything much at all. You claim Delhi has had a damn near miracle, and yet the rest of India seems to be ignoring it, the doctors say it's not a good drug, and everyone's like "nah... we'll pass".
You're going to need much better than simple saying "Well, Delhi's done well, hasn't it?". Yes, posting the same web page about Delhi twice doesn't make it more likely to be true, you know?
Again, your source is dodgy. The person who wrote it is unknown, could be some kid jerking off in his parents' garage. The data is just data, I don't know how many people took Ivermectin, I don't know how many people in other parts of India took it, I don't know anything else.
Just some graph from somewhere, I have no idea where, the claims to show something I'm very dubious about. "This graph shows that..." but doesn't link to said graph.
"Will you believe this 97% eradication graph," and this is what we've got, the dude asking if I'll BELIEVE his graph. Not that I'd accept it because the data is good, but BELIEVE (ie, accept without knowing), how very amateur, smells like conspiracy theories all over the world. Getting emotional, trying to manipulate people.
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Oh my god, a walking talking big pharma Commercial.Can the church of COVID vaccine send someone with a basic understand of how this all works?Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
This the pot calling the kettle black. Your entire post is filled with faulty premises, as well as logic.
1. You know how you develop myocarditis and at a much faster rate? By getting covid. Anyone who gets myocarditis from the shot probably would develop it from a covid infection but with the potential for way more complications.
2. How can antibodies from an infection be 100 times more robost than a vaccine induced one? Where is the evidence of this? Please post it, I'll wait.
3. Uh no. Correlation does not equal causation. There was a drop in cases in india because ppl freaked out and started masking up again, social distancing and staying at home. Not to mention there were a number of city wide lockdowns. This is what brought cases down so rapidly.
Forget about anyone under 30. Approximately 22% of all new covid cases in america are from 12-17 year olds.
1. People under 30, especially children, are not getting myocarditis from COVID. COVID may be the most stratified disease, age wise, in history. Almost as if it was designed by a country that believes they have a population problem and have no problem getting rid of the least productive citizens. People under 30 bodies are very efficient at fighting off the spike protein laden disease. But when you give them an mRNA sequence telling their very efficient bodies to make that very same spike protein our bodies find toxic (in layman terms)...well now that could turn into a problem. It would be messed up enough to push a harmless vaccine on kids for something that didn’t effect them. This is a whole new level. They are neither victims nor vectors for COVID.
2. Okay. the cliff notes version. A new virus enters the body. A white blood cells eats it and digests it into many different pieces. Those little pieces (antigens) become different models for our immune system to design antibodies to attach too. There’s around (loosely) 1000 of those little pieces turning into different targets for antibodies on the same virus. That’s natural immunity. For standard vaccine immunity, using partial or inert viruses, your body gets about 50 of those pieces. This particular vaccine, if you can call it that, is only offering up the spike protein of COVID. So at its best it only provides immunity from the symptoms of the spike protein, which isn’t the cause of all of COVID disease. This is why phizer and moderna never claim this is a prophylactic against COVID, but can reduce symptoms. It doesn’t stop you from getting COVID which is why it’s hard to even call it a vaccine.
3. Dear god, you’re like a soccer mom wandering into a mechanics shop, telling them how to fix a car by saying the only car part you know. The data on ivermectin is worldwide and undeniable. India was just the nail in the coffin for any doubters still remaining. You maybe could’ve made this argument the summer of last year, but this is as settled as science gets. This is why the Indian bar association is going after doctors who did not provide ivermectin. I can’t stop shaking my head on how stupid the statement of masks and lockdowns doing the trick. The data is also out on that voodoo science. Saying that masks work for airborne viruses is like saying eyeglasses double as excellent goggles for the pool.
It’s one thing to not really know what your talking about and throw out your honest opinion. It’s another to be this wrong and completely ignorant, yet believe you are so correct. Stop commenting.
That's hilarious considering your entire post is filled with disinformation and zero facts.
1. Actually about 1 in 100,000 children get myocarditis regularly. If you're going to include anyone under 30 that number goes way up. Coincidentally this is the highest risk group in any given year. The pitcher going against the yankees tonight had covid and had serious myocarditis and he's under 30.
2. The spike protein is how it gets into your cells. Without that ability the virus does nothing to you. Developing a wide range of antigens does nothing. Studies have shown antibodies from a natural infection don't last as long as ones produced from a vaccine, which are much more robust, the rate of reinfection is also anywhere from 15-20% from natural immunity, whereas the vaccine is way under 1%, and there is even recent data suggesting that those who have obtained natural immunity also still carry the virus and spreads it. Show me the evidence that proves natural immunity is 100x greater, you can't and never will.
No, again, let me correct you. The vaccine greatly reduces your odds of infection by 94-95% of the original strain and even some variants. That's straight from the CDC website. It's job isn't simply to reduce symptoms and allows you to carry the virus around. That's a right wing talking point and I've heard it before. It's disinformation. There have been a number of large studies especially out of the Israel Ministry of Health and the UK that the vaccine stops asymptomatic spread at a rate of 80-95%, it ranges from study to study, and might have something to do with the particular vaccine used, and in breakout cases you have a 40-60% reduction in asymptomatic spread compared to an unvaccinated person who's been infected.
3. No, i'm sorry, but it has not. There is no data to prove anything you're saying about Ivermectin otherwise the world would be all over it. This is nothing more than a right wing and antivaxxer wet dream fantasy, and that's all it'll ever will be until a legitimate double blind study is conducted. You know what's funny about all you ivermectin advocates? You bitch and cry about how the vaccines have not been thoroughly tested and how it's experimental, but because of politics, you completely throw all that bullshit rhetoric out the window when it comes to a horse dewormer. Talk about a double standard taken to the utmost extremes.
1. VAERS data is not compiled by just finding randos with myocarditis and throwing them up on VAERS. Technically, yes, anyone can submit a VAERS claim. HOWEVER, it is usually doctors that do and the CDC then requests the medical records and looks into the cases. Once they confirm that yes indeed this was most likely caused by the vaccine, then it goes up on the website. Try again. I once saw a “fact checker” try to claim that the VAERS death numbers (at the time was around 6000) were “probably not accurate” because “anyone can submit a VAERS claim”. Conveniently leaving out how the data actually gets compiled. This is the fucked up sort of dishonesty I never thought would infiltrate the medical community. Boy was I wrong.
2. Yes, the spike protein ASSISTS in entering the cell. However, it is also the cause of the weird inflammation and clotting we see with COVID acting as the viral version of an endotoxin. An endotoxin is a structure in bacteria, where the bacteria itself might not be harmful, but once it is killed (from something like stomach acid for example) and breaks apart, the structure itself is actually toxic. In the case of COVID, it stimulates some sort of autoimmune response. We’re not 100% sure on why, and how specifically it causes clotting problems in some people, but we know it’s the culprit. The culprit specifically behind the very bad symptoms, like low O2 saturation, painful breathing, etc. try again.
As far as antibodies lasting however such and such long. This is one of the biggest lies out there. If you’re regurgitating this, you got duped. Big time. The whole “we don’t know how long immunity last because we don’t see antibodies after a few months” was actually my wake up call to there being something fishy about the narrative. IF we were to retain antibodies for every single different microbial our immune system came across, we would literally explode. Our immune system stops making the antibodies (at least the vast majority of them) after a few months...BUT it retains a quick blueprint memory to re-making the antibodies in the memory T-Cells in the bone marrow. This is how our immune systems have worked for all time. Nothing as changed. As far as vaccine antibodies lasting longer or whatever sounds like complete bullshit to me, nor would it matter if it’s true. But our immune systems to differentiate whether it’s a vaccine or naturally occurring virus. It’s all deemed as a potential threat, and all treated the same way. Try again
As far as “more antigens don’t matter” is complete bullshit. Especially when it comes to detecting the variants. The natural immunity in Israel (as well as around the world) is around 96% effective, even among the variants. Saying the vaccine is a better immunity (even when the OP is pointing out its clearly not) is like saying Daewoo is a better car than a Ferrari. Try again.
3. The whole “it needs a double blind study” thing is a complete farce. Complete farce. There’s more data on ivermectin and COVID than basically anything the FDA or CDC put into their COVID treatment guidelines ALSO WITHOUT ANY DOUBLE BLIND STUDIES. Why? Because we’re in the middle of a pandemic and it’s just not practical to do double blind studies when people are dying. I’ve already posted the data, I’ll do so again. I’ve also addressed all the BS lies about it not working (basically one BS Columbia study) so try to find some new ones please.
This is good cliff notes version of ivermectin with Dr Pierre Kory (whose credentials are unassailable) and Rogan.
Here’s the pooled results of all the ivermectin studies
Some data on ivermectin in India specificallyIvermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 172 studies
Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 172 studies
Indian State Will Offer Ivermectin To Entire Adult Population â Even As WHO Warns Against Its Use As Covid-19 Treatment
Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug and its effectiveness as a Covid-19 treatment is yet to be fully established.Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.comHere’s the referenced Columbia study that the mainstream media loves (despite all other studies to the contrary)Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
Here’s the response of over 100 MDs to why that study is BSEffect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19
This randomized trial compares the effects of ivermectin vs placebo on time to symptom resolution within 21 days among patients with mild COVID-19.
letter | doctor letter
Also, ivermectin is not just a horse dewormer you idiot. It won the fucking Nobel prize in 2015. It’s been around since the 70s and has been safely administered since. It has been a miracle drug for people in 3rd world countries, proving to be an effective broad spectrum anti-parasitic (notably against malaria). Now is showing to be an effective anti viral, maybe even a broad spectrum anti viral.
Does this sound like a “dangerous drug”, or “just a horse dewormer” to you??? Absurd. You can’t even tell a half decent lie.The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2015
The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2015 was divided, one half jointly to William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura "for their discoveries concerning a novel therapy against infections caused by roundworm parasites" and the other half to Tu Youyou "for her discoveries concerning a novel...
1. LOL. What does VAERS have anything to do with myocarditis and covid19, which was what we were talking about. Maybe you need to go to bed and put the alcohol away
That's easy; when you need to grossly inflate numbers in order to babble nonsense claims, you simply throw in unrelated stuff and try to make it sound all 'sciency n stuff'.
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lol at '11,000 dead by the vaccine' rubbish. That is about 0.000055% of those vaccinated, and these tards want to claim it's some sort of runaway death drug or something. Of course there aren't '11,000 deaths' due to the vaccine in the first place.
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Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.Someone defend these numbers to me.
Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose
PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots
Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.
Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.
Four people dead in the last 15 days.
The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.
let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.
1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix
2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.
3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.
Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004
I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?
Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.
As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.
Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.
The US has 119.46 million obese people.
So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.
That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.
"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"
Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.
The Most Dangerous Vaccine
<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine
"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."
"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."
Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.
But then I doubt being honest is what you want.
"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."
Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?
Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.
30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia
still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?
Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics
mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...
Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was
I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.
Some more Israel data
New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital
Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days
some India data
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graphView attachment 513600Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases
The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...trialsitenews.com
You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.
I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?
"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.
"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."
So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.
Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.
Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.
"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."
It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.
Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases
A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph
This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."
1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).
So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?
I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"
"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."
Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.
Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India
An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p
Here's the Times of India.
"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"
This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.
"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”
"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"
Oh my god...I can’t keep up with the heroic levels of ignorance
Fuck off then. Seriously. If you want to come on here and pretend you're posting the truth, when it's pretty obvious "most dangerous vaccine" is made up shit. I call you out on it and you all you can say is "Jesus Christ".
I've made my claims, you can't fight back at them because everyone's ignorant who doesn't agree with your made up shit.
I don't come on here to deal with nonsense. If you want a conversation, you can have one, if you want to push a bullshit agenda, then see my first two words.
I have been reading a lot on covid and the vaccines since the very beginning of the pandemic, and I find her (or his) claims and links compelling and scientific. Beyond that, the poster is a NURSE. What claims are you making beyond the soundbites you've heard? What are your credentials?
if you can’t tell a bullshit artist when you see one you’re an idiot. You believe his crap because it goes along with the stupid narrative you choose. I know many doctors. I also know many nurses. Here’s a life lesson for you never trust a nurse’s medical advice.
And no MD you know supports your quack theory.
I remember you. When COVID first became a thing you said we should go herd immunity route because who knows how long it will take to come up with a vaccine. You said might as well rip the bandage off. Now it’s a vaccine is messing us up. Okay guy.
bye now
Yuh, and I stand by that. Absolutely. Specifically a controlled approach to herd immunity. As in pouring all of our resources into protecting the at risk population. Especially with how stratified this disease is among age groups. It was the obvious approach. I even advocated for locking down for a month in order to prepare our hospitals before lockdowns. Turns out if we had been using ivermectin last year we’d have an 81% reduction in deaths, and 60% reduction in hospitalizations.
Ask Sweden and Florida how that went. Ask Japan or Israel with their high rate of compliance with lockdowns, masking, and vaccinations is going for them now. Sweden is right in the middle of the EU as far as COVID cases, deaths, etc. Florida is right in the middle of the US with cases, deaths, etc. How much more evidence do y’all need that masks and lockdowns DONT WORK. This is nothing new. We’ve known for decades according to our own CDC that once an airborne virus reaches 1% of the population, it is impossible to contain. We’ve also known, for decades, that masks don’t work a damn bit for airborne transmission. They moderately work for droplet transmission, but not airborne. Like saying eyeglasses double as great goggles to keep your eyes dry in a pool. It also turns out social distancing was some idiot idea from a high school kid 10 years ago, and doesn’t work at all. As if that even had to be said. That’s allllll voodoo science. The CDC could’ve said do a rain dance to keep the evil spirits away and it would’ve worked just as well.
Even if it did work, let’s look at the implications. We know we can’t contain the virus, but maybe slowing the spread is possible. Okay, maybe we hold off giving grandma the virus for a whole year. Yay! Oh wait, eventually the virus will get to grandma, and guess what. She’s now a year older, and has not gotten any healthier. *Shoulder Shrug*
So to get this straight you’re not an antivaxxer, you and your kids took a vaccine, but you feel that people taking the vaccine is not letting the virus run its natural course by getting weaker and dying out by itself..am I right so far?
Yeah when Covid became a problem you said getting a vaccine was hopeless, now you’re you’re saying we have vaccines but that’s a bad thing, right?
why should anyone take you seriously?
First, me and my family did not take this vaccine. Me and my wife both had COVID March 2020 before lockdowns. Why would we need it? As far as MMR, tetanus, etc, we’re all up to date on that.
Can you read the OP? Does that sound like what I’m saying? The vaccine isn’t working against the delta variant. That’s what the OP shows. We shouldn’t be surprised by that btw, that was always going to be the problem. Okay. Now, couple that with the fact that the vaccine is dangerous as far as vaccines go. THE NEXT IMMEDIATE CONCLUSION AT THE VERY LEAST SHOULD BE LETS NOT GIVE THE VACCINE TO PEOPLE IT IS USELESS FOR. Those people being kids who are neither victims (the flu is more dangerous to them than COVID) nor vectors (meaning they’re not a meaningful source of spread). As well as people who have already recovered from COVID. Is that at all a crazy conclusion to come too?????????????
I take things further by saying, hey this cheap ivermectin stuff is showing 80% effectiveness at reducing mortality, and 60% reducing hospitalizations. Which is better than the dangerous vaccine. So, why take the vaccine at all? Does that sound like I want an every man for themselves, herd immunity approach?
And thank you for pointing out that I was saying a vaccine was hopeless last year. That’s exactly what the OP points out. That it’s not working on the delta variant. Now that the delta variant is raging for a few months, we’re already worried about the lambda variant. WE HAVE NEVER MADE A VACCINE FOR THIS TYPE OF RAPIDLY MUTATING RNA VIRUS. It’s not that we are incapable of making a vaccine for a particular strain, but by the time you do make, test, and distribute it that strain is already old news. This is why we don’t have an HIV vaccine. Wouldn’t that be great to have? Wouldn’t all sorts of charities and government grants be throwing money at the company trying to develope an aids vaccine and end HIV? Wouldn’t there be all sorts of Nobel prizes and other humanitarian rewards for developing that? Nobody’s done it because it’d be a waste of time.
I’ll be honest, around this time last year I kind of assumed they had solved the mutating problem (and that I was initially wrong about a vaccine being hopeless) since they were driving at it so hard. I figured big pharma knew what they were doing. It became quickly obvious that they in fact did not solve that problem and that this was a money making scheme. Which would be one thing if this was a safe vaccine. Kind of like the flu shots *shhhh, heres some insider trade secrets about the flu shot. They try to guess almost a full year out what the flu strain will be and very very rarely ever get it right. But every flu season they lecture all of us to get the flu shot, even when they know none of the 3 strains they pick are the flu. So, that’s a money making scheme. Here’s the thing, if that extra money gives them the financial freedom to take a risk on a drug for a disease that really needs it, I am all for it. The problem here is they fucked up by choosing to use the spike protein in their vaccine. The spike protein was kind of the obvious choice back when we didn’t know much about the virus. They then further (I would argue knowingly) fucked up by using the worst possible test to “ensure” the spike protein doesn’t leave the injection site. It clearly can.
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