CDZ How can one defend the Israel vaccine numbers?

[sakinago]

Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

There’s a reason Israel is not having the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations with more serious cases. They aren’t stupid enough to listen to shit for brains right wingers in other countries.

It's getting hard to keep up with all the conspiracy theories. We thought Da Jooos were supposed to be behind promoting vaccines, so they could kill all the goy in 10 years or something, yet now we know that over 80% of da evul Israelis are vaccinated n stuff .... but their vaccines don't work. And Stuff. And, the Deep State wants to kill all the people dumb enough to believe them and get vaccinated, i.e. it's own supporters and obedient drones, so all thewise and shrewd anti-vaxxers who are anti-Deep State will be the only survivors .... yeah makes sense .... after a couple of six packs of breakfast beer, I guess.

What? See, this is what happens when you talk actual science to people who got the critical thinking whipped out of them. There is nothing here addressing a single point made by me. Just non-sequitur references to conspiracy theories. What do those conspiracy theories have to do with me? How did that whole “ItS a CoNsPiRaCy ThEoRy” work out for the lab leak theory? Yeah, turns out a bunch of people with financial interests were lying about that, whoda thunk.

The VAERS data on this vaccine is confirmed by the CDC. There is no conspiracy theory there. This wouldn’t be the first time big pharma botched a vaccine. We have stopped production of far less dangerous vaccines. Dr Micheal Olsterholm, Biden’s own COVID czar, was saying in March of last year that a vaccine would be impractical, because by the time you’d put one out, it’d become obsolete against the mutating virus. Now the vaccine has only been out six months and already they’re giving out boosters for the delta, when we’re now talking about the lambda variant. Plain and simple, big pharma saw this vaccine as a big ole money grab. The only problem is this vaccine is dangerous, and they’re suppressing proven and very safe treatments. We could drive this virus to extinction with ivermectin. Instead we are perpetuating it with these bullshit vaccines.

 

[DudleySmith]

Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

There’s a reason Israel is not having the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations with more serious cases. They aren’t stupid enough to listen to shit for brains right wingers in other countries.

It's getting hard to keep up with all the conspiracy theories. We thought Da Jooos were supposed to be behind promoting vaccines, so they could kill all the goy in 10 years or something, yet now we know that over 80% of da evul Israelis are vaccinated n stuff .... but their vaccines don't work. And Stuff. And, the Deep State wants to kill all the people dumb enough to believe them and get vaccinated, i.e. it's own supporters and obedient drones, so all thewise and shrewd anti-vaxxers who are anti-Deep State will be the only survivors .... yeah makes sense .... after a couple of six packs of breakfast beer, I guess.

What? See, this is what happens when you talk actual science to people who got the critical thinking whipped out of them. There is nothing here addressing a single point made by me. Just non-sequitur references to conspiracy theories. What do those conspiracy theories have to do with me? How did that whole “ItS a CoNsPiRaCy ThEoRy” work out for the lab leak theory? Yeah, turns out a bunch of people with financial interests were lying about that, whoda thunk.

The VAERS data on this vaccine is confirmed by the CDC. There is no conspiracy theory there. This wouldn’t be the first time big pharma botched a vaccine. We have stopped production of far less dangerous vaccines. Dr Micheal Olsterholm, Biden’s own COVID czar, was saying in March of last year that a vaccine would be impractical, because by the time you’d put one out, it’d become obsolete against the mutating virus. Now the vaccine has only been out six months and already they’re giving out boosters for the delta, when we’re now talking about the lambda variant. Plain and simple, big pharma saw this vaccine as a big ole money grab. The only problem is this vaccine is dangerous, and they’re suppressing proven and very safe treatments. We could drive this virus to extinction with ivermectin. Instead we are perpetuating it with these bullshit vaccines.

lol you don't know shit about 'actual science', you just parrot OPINIONS from people nobody ever heard of, and then bray on and on about a couple thousand reactions from a vaccine program that was given to hundreds of millions, as if you have some special knowledge n stuff and everybody else needs to give a shit about your idiot 'logic' and dumbass 'exposes'. There are always contrarians on any issue, but taking dumbasses like you seriously isn't necessary.

 

[sakinago]

Um, what exactly is there to defend, a new variant is to blame for the drop in efficacy. The vaccine is still doing it's job against the original strain at 95%.

That’s the whole point of this thread. Thats what I’m asking the church of the COVID vaccine to defend. A new variant was always going to be the problem. This was widely known among the virology community. We will never catch up. We are now past the delta and onto the lambda variant. What’s even more of a problem is that we’ve never vaccinated during an emergence of a novel virus. We are interfering with its evolutionary selection process that we’ve been doing since germ theory, which pushes the virus into becoming less lethal.

 

[Donald H]

Zionists tending toward Nazi tactics by excluding the Palestinian people from being vaccinated.
No wonder the world is turning against Israel's Zionists, while the US props up their crimes against humanity.

It can never be clean debate without honesty. Only Israel upholds a Nazi-like apartheid regime of hate and inequality. And only America continues to support the evil.

 

[krichton]

Um, what exactly is there to defend, a new variant is to blame for the drop in efficacy. The vaccine is still doing it's job against the original strain at 95%.

That’s the whole point of this thread. Thats what I’m asking the church of the COVID vaccine to defend. A new variant was always going to be the problem. This was widely known among the virology community. We will never catch up. We are now past the delta and onto the lambda variant. What’s even more of a problem is that we’ve never vaccinated during an emergence of a novel virus. We are interfering with its evolutionary selection process that we’ve been doing since germ theory, which pushes the virus into becoming less lethal.

So what is your solution, do nothing and let nature take it course like it did back in the old days? LOL

 

[sartre play]

Not a fun choice about what is truth & what is lies. There are no absolutes. Just check the warnings on FDA approved drugs that have been around for years. ^

 

[sakinago]

Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

Four people dead in the last 15 days.

The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.

Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.

let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.

1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix

2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.

3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.

This the pot calling the kettle black. Your entire post is filled with faulty premises, as well as logic.

1. You know how you develop myocarditis and at a much faster rate? By getting covid. Anyone who gets myocarditis from the shot probably would develop it from a covid infection but with the potential for way more complications.

2. How can antibodies from an infection be 100 times more robost than a vaccine induced one? Where is the evidence of this? Please post it, I'll wait.

3. Uh no. Correlation does not equal causation. There was a drop in cases in india because ppl freaked out and started masking up again, social distancing and staying at home. Not to mention there were a number of city wide lockdowns. This is what brought cases down so rapidly.



Forget about anyone under 30. Approximately 22% of all new covid cases in america are from 12-17 year olds.

Can the church of COVID vaccine send someone with a basic understand of how this all works?

1. People under 30, especially children, are not getting myocarditis from COVID. COVID may be the most stratified disease, age wise, in history. Almost as if it was designed by a country that believes they have a population problem and have no problem getting rid of the least productive citizens. People under 30 bodies are very efficient at fighting off the spike protein laden disease. But when you give them an mRNA sequence telling their very efficient bodies to make that very same spike protein our bodies find toxic (in layman terms)...well now that could turn into a problem. It would be messed up enough to push a harmless vaccine on kids for something that didn’t effect them. This is a whole new level. They are neither victims nor vectors for COVID.

2. Okay. the cliff notes version. A new virus enters the body. A white blood cells eats it and digests it into many different pieces. Those little pieces (antigens) become different models for our immune system to design antibodies to attach too. There’s around (loosely) 1000 of those little pieces turning into different targets for antibodies on the same virus. That’s natural immunity. For standard vaccine immunity, using partial or inert viruses, your body gets about 50 of those pieces. This particular vaccine, if you can call it that, is only offering up the spike protein of COVID. So at its best it only provides immunity from the symptoms of the spike protein, which isn’t the cause of all of COVID disease. This is why phizer and moderna never claim this is a prophylactic against COVID, but can reduce symptoms. It doesn’t stop you from getting COVID which is why it’s hard to even call it a vaccine.

3. Dear god, you’re like a soccer mom wandering into a mechanics shop, telling them how to fix a car by saying the only car part you know. The data on ivermectin is worldwide and undeniable. India was just the nail in the coffin for any doubters still remaining. You maybe could’ve made this argument the summer of last year, but this is as settled as science gets. This is why the Indian bar association is going after doctors who did not provide ivermectin. I can’t stop shaking my head on how stupid the statement of masks and lockdowns doing the trick. The data is also out on that voodoo science. Saying that masks work for airborne viruses is like saying eyeglasses double as excellent goggles for the pool.

It’s one thing to not really know what your talking about and throw out your honest opinion. It’s another to be this wrong and completely ignorant, yet believe you are so correct. Stop commenting.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It’s one thing to not really know what your talking about and throw out your honest opinion. It’s another to be this wrong and completely ignorant, yet believe you are so correct. Stop commenting.

Is that why you didn't comment on my post?

 

[sakinago]

Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

Four people dead in the last 15 days.

The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.

Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.

let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.

1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix

2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.

3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.

Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004

I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?

Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.

As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.

Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.

The US has 119.46 million obese people.

So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.

That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.

"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"

Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.

The Most Dangerous Vaccine

<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine

www.cbsnews.com

"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."

"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."

Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.

But then I doubt being honest is what you want.

"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."

Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?

Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.

COVID Vaccine Landing

VAERS

www.openvaers.com

Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.

30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia

still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?

Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics

mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...

journals.lww.com

Therapeutics and COVID-19: living guideline

Updated 14 July 2022

www.who.int

Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was

https://osf.io/u7ewz/

I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.

Some more Israel data

New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital

Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days

www.timesofisrael.com

some India data

Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases

A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph

www.thedesertreview.com

Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases

The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...

trialsitenews.com

 

[sakinago]

Um, what exactly is there to defend, a new variant is to blame for the drop in efficacy. The vaccine is still doing it's job against the original strain at 95%.

That’s the whole point of this thread. Thats what I’m asking the church of the COVID vaccine to defend. A new variant was always going to be the problem. This was widely known among the virology community. We will never catch up. We are now past the delta and onto the lambda variant. What’s even more of a problem is that we’ve never vaccinated during an emergence of a novel virus. We are interfering with its evolutionary selection process that we’ve been doing since germ theory, which pushes the virus into becoming less lethal.

That’s literally the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted online. We should never create vaccines and let nature run it’s course right? If we did that most of us would be dead. Vaccines are literally the best thing in the world.

Okay folks this is what we call a strawman argument. “Never create vaccines” is not even close to my point. Not even in the same solar system. This idiot, yes that is what you are, is missing the point that WE DONT MAKE VACCINES FOR THESE TYPES OF RNA VIRUSES, because they mutate so quick. Notice how we don’t have a vaccine for HIV. Same reason for COVID. Or at least until big pharma saw dolla dolla bills y’all. Dr Micheal olsterholm, Biden’s very own COVID czar, said the exact thing in back in March 2020. That a vaccine won’t work, because by the time you put a vaccine out, you’ll be worried about COVID 2021 instead of COVID 19. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT IS BROUGHT UP IN THE FRIGGEN OP. Use your eyes people.

Ill ask for a 40th time, why are we pushing dangerous vaccines when there is a very effective treatment in ivermectin out there? I’ll also ask someone to name me another disease where we tell people who catch it to go home and wait until you’re dying from it to come back into the hospital and then we’ll treat it?

 

[sakinago]

It’s one thing to not really know what your talking about and throw out your honest opinion. It’s another to be this wrong and completely ignorant, yet believe you are so correct. Stop commenting.

Is that why you didn't comment on my post?

Be specific. which post

 

[sakinago]

Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

There’s a reason Israel is not having the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations with more serious cases. They aren’t stupid enough to listen to shit for brains right wingers in other countries.

It's getting hard to keep up with all the conspiracy theories. We thought Da Jooos were supposed to be behind promoting vaccines, so they could kill all the goy in 10 years or something, yet now we know that over 80% of da evul Israelis are vaccinated n stuff .... but their vaccines don't work. And Stuff. And, the Deep State wants to kill all the people dumb enough to believe them and get vaccinated, i.e. it's own supporters and obedient drones, so all thewise and shrewd anti-vaxxers who are anti-Deep State will be the only survivors .... yeah makes sense .... after a couple of six packs of breakfast beer, I guess.

What? See, this is what happens when you talk actual science to people who got the critical thinking whipped out of them. There is nothing here addressing a single point made by me. Just non-sequitur references to conspiracy theories. What do those conspiracy theories have to do with me? How did that whole “ItS a CoNsPiRaCy ThEoRy” work out for the lab leak theory? Yeah, turns out a bunch of people with financial interests were lying about that, whoda thunk.

The VAERS data on this vaccine is confirmed by the CDC. There is no conspiracy theory there. This wouldn’t be the first time big pharma botched a vaccine. We have stopped production of far less dangerous vaccines. Dr Micheal Olsterholm, Biden’s own COVID czar, was saying in March of last year that a vaccine would be impractical, because by the time you’d put one out, it’d become obsolete against the mutating virus. Now the vaccine has only been out six months and already they’re giving out boosters for the delta, when we’re now talking about the lambda variant. Plain and simple, big pharma saw this vaccine as a big ole money grab. The only problem is this vaccine is dangerous, and they’re suppressing proven and very safe treatments. We could drive this virus to extinction with ivermectin. Instead we are perpetuating it with these bullshit vaccines.

lol you don't know shit about 'actual science', you just parrot OPINIONS from people nobody ever heard of, and then bray on and on about a couple thousand reactions from a vaccine program that was given to hundreds of millions, as if you have some special knowledge n stuff and everybody else needs to give a shit about your idiot 'logic' and dumbass 'exposes'. There are always contrarians on any issue, but taking dumbasses like you seriously isn't necessary.

Can you actually address any of the points I brought up? With actual data and science? 11000 confirmed deaths from this vaccine. 30,000 hospitalizations. 8,800 of those life threatening. Can you at least explain to me why we are pushing this vaccine on children when the flu is more dangerous to them, and they don’t spread COVID? Just that one question. Why push this on children?

 

[sakinago]

Um, what exactly is there to defend, a new variant is to blame for the drop in efficacy. The vaccine is still doing it's job against the original strain at 95%.

That’s the whole point of this thread. Thats what I’m asking the church of the COVID vaccine to defend. A new variant was always going to be the problem. This was widely known among the virology community. We will never catch up. We are now past the delta and onto the lambda variant. What’s even more of a problem is that we’ve never vaccinated during an emergence of a novel virus. We are interfering with its evolutionary selection process that we’ve been doing since germ theory, which pushes the virus into becoming less lethal.

So what is your solution, do nothing and let nature take it course like it did back in the old days? LOL

No, it’s a far more crazier idea. Are you sitting down? Okay. I want us to actually treat COVID at the onset of symptoms, with cheap and safe drugs that actually work. With an 81% reduction of mortality. Instead of what we currently do which is telling people to go home with no meds or treatment, and not to come back unless they can’t breath and it’s too late for most interventions to be effective. It’s insane. I know. But it’s so crazy it might just work.

 

[sakinago]

Well...re-read the article. It explains the situation.
COVID-19 is not the problem....it's the variants that are.

We only have one vaccine at present...but that is likely to change soon. Moderna, Pfizer and Novavax have been working on a variant booster for almost a year now.

Whether it's going to be available sometime this Fall or Winter remains to be seen.

Immunocompromised people are extremely susceptible to all sorts of things. Not just Coronavirus. And when you take medicines so that your body doesn't reject your new kidney or liver or some other transplant you are immunocompromised. Same thing with those taking chemotherapy treatment for cancers...(some cancers aren't as serious as they used to be but they can still be deadly when untreated...but often you just get a few prescription and they send you back to work)

So...these people are who are at risk. The shots are less effective on them because they are actively destroying/suppressing their immune systems to begin with.

Oh my god. How many times do I have to point this out to you people.
The
Variants
Were
Always
Going
To
Be
A
Problem

COVID is an RNA virus. That mutates very rapidly. The delta variant is already old news. We’re now talking about the lambda variant. By the time we make a booster for the lambda, we’ll be talking about the beta-sigma variant. I would love to say that this is the most cynical and obvious big pharma money making schemes...but I can’t because you guys are falling for it. Like, you literally just tried to dunk on me about the variants when it was the exact point I was making...and didn’t even put two and two together. It’s not even like big pharma is hiding the ball on this one, they’re coming right out and saying you’ll need boosters every 6 months. Let me also say this slow
If
Your
Vaccine
Needs
A
Booster
Every
Six
Months
Then
It’s
Not
Working
How are we still buying this hook line and sinker?

 

[sakinago]

Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

There’s a reason Israel is not having the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations with more serious cases. They aren’t stupid enough to listen to shit for brains right wingers in other countries.

It's getting hard to keep up with all the conspiracy theories. We thought Da Jooos were supposed to be behind promoting vaccines, so they could kill all the goy in 10 years or something, yet now we know that over 80% of da evul Israelis are vaccinated n stuff .... but their vaccines don't work. And Stuff. And, the Deep State wants to kill all the people dumb enough to believe them and get vaccinated, i.e. it's own supporters and obedient drones, so all thewise and shrewd anti-vaxxers who are anti-Deep State will be the only survivors .... yeah makes sense .... after a couple of six packs of breakfast beer, I guess.

What? See, this is what happens when you talk actual science to people who got the critical thinking whipped out of them. There is nothing here addressing a single point made by me. Just non-sequitur references to conspiracy theories. What do those conspiracy theories have to do with me? How did that whole “ItS a CoNsPiRaCy ThEoRy” work out for the lab leak theory? Yeah, turns out a bunch of people with financial interests were lying about that, whoda thunk.

The VAERS data on this vaccine is confirmed by the CDC. There is no conspiracy theory there. This wouldn’t be the first time big pharma botched a vaccine. We have stopped production of far less dangerous vaccines. Dr Micheal Olsterholm, Biden’s own COVID czar, was saying in March of last year that a vaccine would be impractical, because by the time you’d put one out, it’d become obsolete against the mutating virus. Now the vaccine has only been out six months and already they’re giving out boosters for the delta, when we’re now talking about the lambda variant. Plain and simple, big pharma saw this vaccine as a big ole money grab. The only problem is this vaccine is dangerous, and they’re suppressing proven and very safe treatments. We could drive this virus to extinction with ivermectin. Instead we are perpetuating it with these bullshit vaccines.

Um, what exactly is there to defend, a new variant is to blame for the drop in efficacy. The vaccine is still doing it's job against the original strain at 95%.

That’s the whole point of this thread. Thats what I’m asking the church of the COVID vaccine to defend. A new variant was always going to be the problem. This was widely known among the virology community. We will never catch up. We are now past the delta and onto the lambda variant. What’s even more of a problem is that we’ve never vaccinated during an emergence of a novel virus. We are interfering with its evolutionary selection process that we’ve been doing since germ theory, which pushes the virus into becoming less lethal.

That’s literally the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted online. We should never create vaccines and let nature run it’s course right? If we did that most of us would be dead. Vaccines are literally the best thing in the world.

Okay folks this is what we call a strawman argument. “Never create vaccines” is not even close to my point. Not even in the same solar system. This idiot, yes that is what you are, is missing the point that WE DONT MAKE VACCINES FOR THESE TYPES OF RNA VIRUSES, because they mutate so quick. Notice how we don’t have a vaccine for HIV. Same reason for COVID. Or at least until big pharma saw dolla dolla bills y’all. Dr Micheal olsterholm, Biden’s very own COVID czar, said the exact thing in back in March 2020. That a vaccine won’t work, because by the time you put a vaccine out, you’ll be worried about COVID 2021 instead of COVID 19. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT IS BROUGHT UP IN THE FRIGGEN OP. Use your eyes people.

Ill ask for a 40th time, why are we pushing dangerous vaccines when there is a very effective treatment in ivermectin out there? I’ll also ask someone to name me another disease where we tell people who catch it to go home and wait until you’re dying from it to come back into the hospital and then we’ll treat it?

Yeah I may be an idiot, but there’s no way I’m a bigger idiot than you. You’re a nurse, Focker, this stuff is above your pay grade. It’s above mine too, but I’m smart enough to realize that.

You can be an idiot and still realize that something smells fishy when they’re pushing vaccines on people who’ve already recovered from COVID. Did human immunity change this year along with COVID? This is what fauci wants us to believe. We don’t give the chicken pox vaccine to people who’ve already had chicken pox. And that vaccine is far safer than this one.

 

[krichton]

Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

Four people dead in the last 15 days.

The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.

Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.

let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.

1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix

2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.

3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.

This the pot calling the kettle black. Your entire post is filled with faulty premises, as well as logic.

1. You know how you develop myocarditis and at a much faster rate? By getting covid. Anyone who gets myocarditis from the shot probably would develop it from a covid infection but with the potential for way more complications.

2. How can antibodies from an infection be 100 times more robost than a vaccine induced one? Where is the evidence of this? Please post it, I'll wait.

3. Uh no. Correlation does not equal causation. There was a drop in cases in india because ppl freaked out and started masking up again, social distancing and staying at home. Not to mention there were a number of city wide lockdowns. This is what brought cases down so rapidly.



Forget about anyone under 30. Approximately 22% of all new covid cases in america are from 12-17 year olds.

Can the church of COVID vaccine send someone with a basic understand of how this all works?

1. People under 30, especially children, are not getting myocarditis from COVID. COVID may be the most stratified disease, age wise, in history. Almost as if it was designed by a country that believes they have a population problem and have no problem getting rid of the least productive citizens. People under 30 bodies are very efficient at fighting off the spike protein laden disease. But when you give them an mRNA sequence telling their very efficient bodies to make that very same spike protein our bodies find toxic (in layman terms)...well now that could turn into a problem. It would be messed up enough to push a harmless vaccine on kids for something that didn’t effect them. This is a whole new level. They are neither victims nor vectors for COVID.

2. Okay. the cliff notes version. A new virus enters the body. A white blood cells eats it and digests it into many different pieces. Those little pieces (antigens) become different models for our immune system to design antibodies to attach too. There’s around (loosely) 1000 of those little pieces turning into different targets for antibodies on the same virus. That’s natural immunity. For standard vaccine immunity, using partial or inert viruses, your body gets about 50 of those pieces. This particular vaccine, if you can call it that, is only offering up the spike protein of COVID. So at its best it only provides immunity from the symptoms of the spike protein, which isn’t the cause of all of COVID disease. This is why phizer and moderna never claim this is a prophylactic against COVID, but can reduce symptoms. It doesn’t stop you from getting COVID which is why it’s hard to even call it a vaccine.

3. Dear god, you’re like a soccer mom wandering into a mechanics shop, telling them how to fix a car by saying the only car part you know. The data on ivermectin is worldwide and undeniable. India was just the nail in the coffin for any doubters still remaining. You maybe could’ve made this argument the summer of last year, but this is as settled as science gets. This is why the Indian bar association is going after doctors who did not provide ivermectin. I can’t stop shaking my head on how stupid the statement of masks and lockdowns doing the trick. The data is also out on that voodoo science. Saying that masks work for airborne viruses is like saying eyeglasses double as excellent goggles for the pool.

It’s one thing to not really know what your talking about and throw out your honest opinion. It’s another to be this wrong and completely ignorant, yet believe you are so correct. Stop commenting.

That's hilarious considering your entire post is filled with disinformation and zero facts.

1. Actually about 1 in 100,000 children get myocarditis regularly. If you're going to include anyone under 30 that number goes way up. Coincidentally this is the highest risk group in any given year. The pitcher going against the yankees tonight had covid and had serious myocarditis and he's under 30.

2. The spike protein is how it gets into your cells. Without that ability the virus does nothing to you. Developing a wide range of antigens does nothing. Studies have shown antibodies from a natural infection don't last as long as ones produced from a vaccine, which are much more robust, the rate of reinfection is also anywhere from 15-20% from natural immunity, whereas the vaccine is way under 1%, and there is even recent data suggesting that those who have obtained natural immunity also still carry the virus and spreads it. Show me the evidence that proves natural immunity is 100x greater, you can't and never will.

No, again, let me correct you. The vaccine greatly reduces your odds of infection by 94-95% of the original strain and even some variants. That's straight from the CDC website. It's job isn't simply to reduce symptoms and allows you to carry the virus around. That's a right wing talking point and I've heard it before. It's disinformation. There have been a number of large studies especially out of the Israel Ministry of Health and the UK that the vaccine stops asymptomatic spread at a rate of 80-95%, it ranges from study to study, and might have something to do with the particular vaccine used, and in breakout cases you have a 40-60% reduction in asymptomatic spread compared to an unvaccinated person who's been infected.

3. No, i'm sorry, but it has not. There is no data to prove anything you're saying about Ivermectin otherwise the world would be all over it. This is nothing more than a right wing and antivaxxer wet dream fantasy, and that's all it'll ever will be until a legitimate double blind study is conducted. You know what's funny about all you ivermectin advocates? You bitch and cry about how the vaccines have not been thoroughly tested and how it's experimental, but because of politics, you completely throw all that bullshit rhetoric out the window when it comes to a horse dewormer. Talk about a double standard taken to the utmost extremes.

 

[Rocko]

Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

There’s a reason Israel is not having the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations with more serious cases. They aren’t stupid enough to listen to shit for brains right wingers in other countries.

It's getting hard to keep up with all the conspiracy theories. We thought Da Jooos were supposed to be behind promoting vaccines, so they could kill all the goy in 10 years or something, yet now we know that over 80% of da evul Israelis are vaccinated n stuff .... but their vaccines don't work. And Stuff. And, the Deep State wants to kill all the people dumb enough to believe them and get vaccinated, i.e. it's own supporters and obedient drones, so all thewise and shrewd anti-vaxxers who are anti-Deep State will be the only survivors .... yeah makes sense .... after a couple of six packs of breakfast beer, I guess.

What? See, this is what happens when you talk actual science to people who got the critical thinking whipped out of them. There is nothing here addressing a single point made by me. Just non-sequitur references to conspiracy theories. What do those conspiracy theories have to do with me? How did that whole “ItS a CoNsPiRaCy ThEoRy” work out for the lab leak theory? Yeah, turns out a bunch of people with financial interests were lying about that, whoda thunk.

The VAERS data on this vaccine is confirmed by the CDC. There is no conspiracy theory there. This wouldn’t be the first time big pharma botched a vaccine. We have stopped production of far less dangerous vaccines. Dr Micheal Olsterholm, Biden’s own COVID czar, was saying in March of last year that a vaccine would be impractical, because by the time you’d put one out, it’d become obsolete against the mutating virus. Now the vaccine has only been out six months and already they’re giving out boosters for the delta, when we’re now talking about the lambda variant. Plain and simple, big pharma saw this vaccine as a big ole money grab. The only problem is this vaccine is dangerous, and they’re suppressing proven and very safe treatments. We could drive this virus to extinction with ivermectin. Instead we are perpetuating it with these bullshit vaccines.

Um, what exactly is there to defend, a new variant is to blame for the drop in efficacy. The vaccine is still doing it's job against the original strain at 95%.

That’s the whole point of this thread. Thats what I’m asking the church of the COVID vaccine to defend. A new variant was always going to be the problem. This was widely known among the virology community. We will never catch up. We are now past the delta and onto the lambda variant. What’s even more of a problem is that we’ve never vaccinated during an emergence of a novel virus. We are interfering with its evolutionary selection process that we’ve been doing since germ theory, which pushes the virus into becoming less lethal.

That’s literally the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted online. We should never create vaccines and let nature run it’s course right? If we did that most of us would be dead. Vaccines are literally the best thing in the world.

Okay folks this is what we call a strawman argument. “Never create vaccines” is not even close to my point. Not even in the same solar system. This idiot, yes that is what you are, is missing the point that WE DONT MAKE VACCINES FOR THESE TYPES OF RNA VIRUSES, because they mutate so quick. Notice how we don’t have a vaccine for HIV. Same reason for COVID. Or at least until big pharma saw dolla dolla bills y’all. Dr Micheal olsterholm, Biden’s very own COVID czar, said the exact thing in back in March 2020. That a vaccine won’t work, because by the time you put a vaccine out, you’ll be worried about COVID 2021 instead of COVID 19. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT IS BROUGHT UP IN THE FRIGGEN OP. Use your eyes people.

Ill ask for a 40th time, why are we pushing dangerous vaccines when there is a very effective treatment in ivermectin out there? I’ll also ask someone to name me another disease where we tell people who catch it to go home and wait until you’re dying from it to come back into the hospital and then we’ll treat it?

Yeah I may be an idiot, but there’s no way I’m a bigger idiot than you. You’re a nurse, Focker, this stuff is above your pay grade. It’s above mine too, but I’m smart enough to realize that.

You can be an idiot and still realize that something smells fishy when they’re pushing vaccines on people who’ve already recovered from COVID. Did human immunity change this year along with COVID? This is what fauci wants us to believe. We don’t give the chicken pox vaccine to people who’ve already had chicken pox. And that vaccine is far safer than this one.

Yeah I know people that got Covid twice actually

 

[sakinago]

Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

Four people dead in the last 15 days.

The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.

Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.

let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.

1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix

2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.

3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.

This the pot calling the kettle black. Your entire post is filled with faulty premises, as well as logic.

1. You know how you develop myocarditis and at a much faster rate? By getting covid. Anyone who gets myocarditis from the shot probably would develop it from a covid infection but with the potential for way more complications.

2. How can antibodies from an infection be 100 times more robost than a vaccine induced one? Where is the evidence of this? Please post it, I'll wait.

3. Uh no. Correlation does not equal causation. There was a drop in cases in india because ppl freaked out and started masking up again, social distancing and staying at home. Not to mention there were a number of city wide lockdowns. This is what brought cases down so rapidly.



Forget about anyone under 30. Approximately 22% of all new covid cases in america are from 12-17 year olds.

Can the church of COVID vaccine send someone with a basic understand of how this all works?

1. People under 30, especially children, are not getting myocarditis from COVID. COVID may be the most stratified disease, age wise, in history. Almost as if it was designed by a country that believes they have a population problem and have no problem getting rid of the least productive citizens. People under 30 bodies are very efficient at fighting off the spike protein laden disease. But when you give them an mRNA sequence telling their very efficient bodies to make that very same spike protein our bodies find toxic (in layman terms)...well now that could turn into a problem. It would be messed up enough to push a harmless vaccine on kids for something that didn’t effect them. This is a whole new level. They are neither victims nor vectors for COVID.

2. Okay. the cliff notes version. A new virus enters the body. A white blood cells eats it and digests it into many different pieces. Those little pieces (antigens) become different models for our immune system to design antibodies to attach too. There’s around (loosely) 1000 of those little pieces turning into different targets for antibodies on the same virus. That’s natural immunity. For standard vaccine immunity, using partial or inert viruses, your body gets about 50 of those pieces. This particular vaccine, if you can call it that, is only offering up the spike protein of COVID. So at its best it only provides immunity from the symptoms of the spike protein, which isn’t the cause of all of COVID disease. This is why phizer and moderna never claim this is a prophylactic against COVID, but can reduce symptoms. It doesn’t stop you from getting COVID which is why it’s hard to even call it a vaccine.

3. Dear god, you’re like a soccer mom wandering into a mechanics shop, telling them how to fix a car by saying the only car part you know. The data on ivermectin is worldwide and undeniable. India was just the nail in the coffin for any doubters still remaining. You maybe could’ve made this argument the summer of last year, but this is as settled as science gets. This is why the Indian bar association is going after doctors who did not provide ivermectin. I can’t stop shaking my head on how stupid the statement of masks and lockdowns doing the trick. The data is also out on that voodoo science. Saying that masks work for airborne viruses is like saying eyeglasses double as excellent goggles for the pool.

It’s one thing to not really know what your talking about and throw out your honest opinion. It’s another to be this wrong and completely ignorant, yet believe you are so correct. Stop commenting.

That's hilarious considering your entire post is filled with disinformation and zero facts.

1. Actually about 1 in 100,000 children get myocarditis regularly. If you're going to include anyone under 30 that number goes way up. Coincidentally this is the highest risk group in any given year. The pitcher going against the yankees tonight had covid and had serious myocarditis and he's under 30.

2. The spike protein is how it gets into your cells. Without that ability the virus does nothing to you. Developing a wide range of antigens does nothing. Studies have shown antibodies from a natural infection don't last as long as ones produced from a vaccine, which are much more robust, the rate of reinfection is also anywhere from 15-20% from natural immunity, whereas the vaccine is way under 1%, and there is even recent data suggesting that those who have obtained natural immunity also still carry the virus and spreads it. Show me the evidence that proves natural immunity is 100x greater, you can't and never will.

No, again, let me correct you. The vaccine greatly reduces your odds of infection by 94-95% of the original strain and even some variants. That's straight from the CDC website. It's job isn't simply to reduce symptoms and allows you to carry the virus around. That's a right wing talking point and I've heard it before. It's disinformation. There have been a number of large studies especially out of the Israel Ministry of Health and the UK that the vaccine stops asymptomatic spread at a rate of 80-95%, it ranges from study to study, and might have something to do with the particular vaccine used, and in breakout cases you have a 40-60% reduction in asymptomatic spread compared to an unvaccinated person who's been infected.

3. No, i'm sorry, but it has not. There is no data to prove anything you're saying about Ivermectin otherwise the world would be all over it. This is nothing more than a right wing and antivaxxer wet dream fantasy, and that's all it'll ever will be until a legitimate double blind study is conducted. You know what's funny about all you ivermectin advocates? You bitch and cry about how the vaccines have not been thoroughly tested and how it's experimental, but because of politics, you completely throw all that bullshit rhetoric out the window when it comes to a horse dewormer. Talk about a double standard taken to the utmost extremes.

Oh my god, a walking talking big pharma Commercial.

1. VAERS data is not compiled by just finding randos with myocarditis and throwing them up on VAERS. Technically, yes, anyone can submit a VAERS claim. HOWEVER, it is usually doctors that do and the CDC then requests the medical records and looks into the cases. Once they confirm that yes indeed this was most likely caused by the vaccine, then it goes up on the website. Try again. I once saw a “fact checker” try to claim that the VAERS death numbers (at the time was around 6000) were “probably not accurate” because “anyone can submit a VAERS claim”. Conveniently leaving out how the data actually gets compiled. This is the fucked up sort of dishonesty I never thought would infiltrate the medical community. Boy was I wrong.

2. Yes, the spike protein ASSISTS in entering the cell. However, it is also the cause of the weird inflammation and clotting we see with COVID acting as the viral version of an endotoxin. An endotoxin is a structure in bacteria, where the bacteria itself might not be harmful, but once it is killed (from something like stomach acid for example) and breaks apart, the structure itself is actually toxic. In the case of COVID, it stimulates some sort of autoimmune response. We’re not 100% sure on why, and how specifically it causes clotting problems in some people, but we know it’s the culprit. The culprit specifically behind the very bad symptoms, like low O2 saturation, painful breathing, etc. try again.

As far as antibodies lasting however such and such long. This is one of the biggest lies out there. If you’re regurgitating this, you got duped. Big time. The whole “we don’t know how long immunity last because we don’t see antibodies after a few months” was actually my wake up call to there being something fishy about the narrative. IF we were to retain antibodies for every single different microbial our immune system came across, we would literally explode. Our immune system stops making the antibodies (at least the vast majority of them) after a few months...BUT it retains a quick blueprint memory to re-making the antibodies in the memory T-Cells in the bone marrow. This is how our immune systems have worked for all time. Nothing as changed. As far as vaccine antibodies lasting longer or whatever sounds like complete bullshit to me, nor would it matter if it’s true. But our immune systems to differentiate whether it’s a vaccine or naturally occurring virus. It’s all deemed as a potential threat, and all treated the same way. Try again

As far as “more antigens don’t matter” is complete bullshit. Especially when it comes to detecting the variants. The natural immunity in Israel (as well as around the world) is around 96% effective, even among the variants. Saying the vaccine is a better immunity (even when the OP is pointing out its clearly not) is like saying Daewoo is a better car than a Ferrari. Try again.

Are recovered COVID patients more protected than the vaccinated?

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www.timesofisrael.com

3. The whole “it needs a double blind study” thing is a complete farce. Complete farce. There’s more data on ivermectin and COVID than basically anything the FDA or CDC put into their COVID treatment guidelines ALSO WITHOUT ANY DOUBLE BLIND STUDIES. Why? Because we’re in the middle of a pandemic and it’s just not practical to do double blind studies when people are dying. I’ve already posted the data, I’ll do so again. I’ve also addressed all the BS lies about it not working (basically one BS Columbia study) so try to find some new ones please.

This is good cliff notes version of ivermectin with Dr Pierre Kory (whose credentials are unassailable) and Rogan.
Here’s the pooled results of all the ivermectin studies

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 172 studies

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 172 studies

c19ivermectin.com

Some data on ivermectin in India specifically

Indian State Will Offer Ivermectin To Entire Adult Population â Even As WHO Warns Against Its Use As Covid-19 Treatment

Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug and its effectiveness as a Covid-19 treatment is yet to be fully established.

www.forbes.com

Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases

The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...

trialsitenews.com

Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases

A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph

www.thedesertreview.com

Here’s the referenced Columbia study that the mainstream media loves (despite all other studies to the contrary)

Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19

This randomized trial compares the effects of ivermectin vs placebo on time to symptom resolution within 21 days among patients with mild COVID-19.

jamanetwork.com

Here’s the response of over 100 MDs to why that study is BS

letter | doctor letter

jamaletter.com

Also, ivermectin is not just a horse dewormer you idiot. It won the fucking Nobel prize in 2015. It’s been around since the 70s and has been safely administered since. It has been a miracle drug for people in 3rd world countries, proving to be an effective broad spectrum anti-parasitic (notably against malaria). Now is showing to be an effective anti viral, maybe even a broad spectrum anti viral.

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2015

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2015 was divided, one half jointly to William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura "for their discoveries concerning a novel therapy against infections caused by roundworm parasites" and the other half to Tu Youyou "for her discoveries concerning a novel...

www.nobelprize.org

Does this sound like a “dangerous drug”, or “just a horse dewormer” to you??? Absurd. You can’t even tell a half decent lie.

 

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Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

Four people dead in the last 15 days.

The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.

Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.

let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.

1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix

2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.

3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.

Not sure what you're playing at.
.0000099 is much higher than .0000004

I literally explained that the US's rate is much high. For every 99 people dying in the US, 4 die in Israel. And you're trying to make out that the US's rate is much better?

Yes, you can compare Israel to the US. The reality is that the attitude in the US is the thing that is causing the most problems. People who are obese being told to ignore health advice and go get themselves the coronavirus.

As for obesity. Israel has an obesity level of 26.1 which makes it 45th in the world, the US has a rate of 36.2 at 12th in the world.

Let's say, Israel has 26.1% of the population obese, that's 2.42 million people.

The US has 119.46 million obese people.

So, the US has 49.36 times great number of people who are obese. So, 4 times 49.36 = that's 197.44. The US has had 3,302 deaths.

That means, even accounting for obesity, the US's rate is still 16.72 times greater.

"the most dangerous vaccine ever created"

Really? Not true actually. The small pox vaccine they used in China hundreds of years ago had a 2% fatality rate.

The Most Dangerous Vaccine

<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine

www.cbsnews.com

"And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man."

"No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die."

Even the modern vaccines (the Chinese one was simply get the small pox scabs and blow it in people's noses) had a much higher death rate.

But then I doubt being honest is what you want.

"Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India."

Ask India? India with 12,000 deaths in the last 15 days? With a population 4 times larger than the US, that's 3,000 deaths in 15 days at US levels. About the same. So if their "miracle cure" is so great, why is India as bad as the USA?

Jesus Christ, okay a vaccine created 50 years before the discovery of DNA, before viruses were even defined, MAY be more dangerous. Mind you, this vaccine has only been circulating for six months. We have no clue the long term ramifications of this vaccine. This article says that if we vaccinate 1 million people there may be 15 serious adverse events, and possibly 1 death...brother were at 9,000 deaths six months in. Let’s not forget it takes a good bit of time for the CDC to actually confirm the deaths so we’re at least a month behind. Let’s look at the VAERS data.

COVID Vaccine Landing

VAERS

www.openvaers.com

Excuse me I was wrong. We’re actually at 11,000 deaths, not 9000.

30,000 hospitalizations (8,800 life threatening)
1000 miscarriages
3900 heart attacks (100 of which are below the age of 24)
2500 myocarditis (1000 of which are below the age of 25)
2500 thrombocytopenia

still going with your “not the most dangerous vaccine”?

Again, WHY IS THIS BEING PUSHED ON CHILDREN WHO ARE NEITHER VICTIMS NOR VECTORS OF COVID? We WANT children out of anyone to catch COVID, because they blow right through it like it’s nothing. Especially when there is ivermectin out there. Which even the “we don’t recognize Taiwan exists” WHO admits is 81% effective at reducing mortality, and 64% at reducing hospitalizations. Better than the Israel vaccine efficacy.

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19... : American Journal of Therapeutics

mortality, in secondary outcomes, and in chemoprophylaxis, among people with, or at high risk of, COVID-19 infection. Data sources: We searched bibliographic databases up to April 25, 2021. Two review authors sifted for studies, extracted data, and assessed risk of bias. Meta-analyses were...

journals.lww.com

Therapeutics and COVID-19: living guideline

Updated 14 July 2022

www.who.int

Then the WHO amazingly came to the conclusion of still “don’t take ivermectin”. You can’t make this shit up. Now, despite these 1000s of studies citing the benefits of ivermectin, one single study comes out, the Colombian study, saying they didn’t see any benefit. Turns out this study was using people under 30. Well no duh you didn’t see any difference. We already know that for people under 30 the flu is more dangerous than COVID, so, yeah their symptoms are already mild. And The NY Times runs with that instead. Ask yourself why? Here’s a group of 120 doctors exposing how bad this study was

https://osf.io/u7ewz/

I even saw a guardian article interviewing a STUDENT, claiming there was huge holes in the data. These massive holes were “the abstract appears to be plagerized” and “a few of the patients were under the age of 18, when the abstract said all above 18” as well as “some of the cases took place at an earlier date than mentioned in the abstract”. Mind you, this is a meta data study. I can’t roll my eyes enough. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.

Some more Israel data

New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital

Medicine developed at Ichilov moderates immune response, helps prevent deadly cytokine storm, researchers say; 29 of 30 phase 1 trial patients left hospital within 3-5 days

www.timesofisrael.com

some India data

Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases

A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph

www.thedesertreview.com

Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases

The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...

trialsitenews.com

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You can say "Jesus Christ", but if you're going to make dodgy claims, people are going to actually realize pretty quickly you're wrong. If you keep making wrong claims, people aren't going to trust what you say. Think about it.

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

The CDC says "Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."

See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)

See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.

www.nytimes.com

I've got 185.4 million people vaccinated, so max you're looking at 927 people who have had it. Your website, which could be from anyone, says 2,487 people. A much higher number. Where does it get its stats from? Or does it merely triple or quadruple CDC stats?

"During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."

So, their figure is nearly half what your "openVAERS" says.

"FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause."

So, literally if you get hit by a truck after the vaccine, it gets reported. What these people died from, we don't know. Many people are old and would have died with or without the vaccine anyway.

Nothing suggests kids are dying from the vaccine.

Ivermectin is a drug that has been looked at, some people have said it works well, others have found problems with their data.

Ivermectin to be investigated as a possible treatment for COVID-19 in Oxford’s PRINCIPLE trial | University of Oxford

23 June 2021

www.ox.ac.uk

"Even though ivermectin is used routinely in some countries to treat COVID-19, there is little evidence from large-scale randomised controlled trials to demonstrate that it can speed up recovery from the illness or reduce hospital admission."

It might work for some, but on the huge scales we're talking about it seems like it's not worth it. The thing is you say this one drug should be used, and yet not a vaccine that has been proven to work much better. It's weird, I don't get it.

Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases

A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph

www.thedesertreview.com

This article you presented says "This graph shows that Ivermectin, used in Delhi beginning April 20, obliterated their COVID crisis."

1,737 people died on the 20th April in India. 3,498 people died on the 30th April.
3,754 people died on the 10th May. 3,128 people died at the end of May (31st).

So, Indian cases ROSE from the date this website says Delhi introduced this. Yes, Delhi is only 16 million people from 1.3 billion, but if Delhi's doing something right, why not everyone else in India?



I found this about this "Justus R. Hope"

"This is not the name of a real doctor in California as their biography claims. I’ve found on hopepressworks.org that this is a pen name."

Seems it's not even a real name. I can't verify this, but I also can't find anything positive about him either.

Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts | Delhi News - Times of India

An increasing number of Delhiites infected by Covid-19 are now being put on Ivermectin – an orally administered drug that is generally used to treat p

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Here's the Times of India.

"Ivermectin: Wonder drug? Not really, say experts"

This is from May 13th, after Ivermectin was being administered.

"Dr Suneela Garg, member, Covid-India Task Force of Lancet
Commission, said" “We only recommend its use in mild cases, like other drugs that have been used,”

"There was little justification in using Ivermectin, asserted Dr S.K Sarin, director, Institute of Liver and Biliary Sciences"

 

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Someone defend these numbers to me.

Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

PM Bennett instructs Health Ministry to promote medical studies into long-term efficacy of Pfizer vaccine to provide decision-makers with 'vital information' on booster shots

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is the most vaccinated country on planet earth with 80% of the population vaccinated. Remember, fauci not too long ago was telling us we needed 70% vaccinated in order to reach heard immunity. That is of course back when he still professed in believing in herd immunity. Yet Israel is going into their 3rd, or 4th lockdown...who can keep track. Those vaccines that are supposed to be 94% effective...well, it’s only looking like they’re 60%. Whoops. Yet fauci is pushing for vaccine mandates for vaccine that doesn’t appear to work for the variants...the same variants he is citing that we need to get vaccinated against. Are you plebes paying attention? Let’s not forget that VAERS is up to 9000 deaths for these vaccines. Don’t even get me started about the adverse events.

Mind you we have never created a vaccine and implemented it in the middle of a pandemic. Notice how all these variants are popping up in countries where there was heavy vaccine testing. In all pandemics, we self select for a safer virus, meaning when a virus is bad we go to the hospital to throw the kitchen sink at it, and stay away from others which decreases the survivability of the virus. Then the virus mutates into a more a cold like virus where we tough through it and go to work still, and it can spread more easily. Now, we are selecting for mutations that simply just bypass the “vaccine”.

Four people dead in the last 15 days.

The US would have ad 120 dead in the last 15 days with such a rate. When actually the US had 3,299.... uh oh. Seems to be working in Israel.

Wow a lot of faulty premises here, as well as poor understanding of basic math and statistical. Divide those numbers by the population, Israel is 8.8 million, the US is 333 million. You get a death rate of .0000099 for the US and .0000004 for Israel. If that’s too many zeros for you, just know it’s a difference of 5 vs 6 decimal places. Stop listening/reading whoever it is you are reading.

let’s tackle the faulty premises. First I never argue that the US COVID policy is great. I argue that it is god awful and killing far more people than necessary. Second, you can’t compare the population of Israel, a country that is among the lowest obesity rate in the developed world vs the US. Obesity is the highest co morbidity with COVID. Thirdly I’ve never argued that the vaccine doesn’t work. Although the more time goes on, the more it appears it’s efficacy is dropping like a rock. I’ve argued that it is dangerous as far as vaccines/treatments go. It is. That’s undeniable. Not saying if you take it you’re likely to have an adverse event. This is the most dangerous vaccine ever created by far. Which brings me to three questions.

1. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine ever created onto people under 30, especially young children, whose risk from COVID is statistically zero. Myocarditis and six year olds don’t really mix

2. Why are we pushing the most dangerous vaccine in existence without determining whether or not someone has already attained natural immunity that is around 100 times more robust than a vaccine with more efficacy than these mRNA vaccines.

3. Why is the US suppressing very effective treatments like ivermectin. The numbers are in. Ivermectin is basically a miracle drug against COVID. Ask India.

This the pot calling the kettle black. Your entire post is filled with faulty premises, as well as logic.

1. You know how you develop myocarditis and at a much faster rate? By getting covid. Anyone who gets myocarditis from the shot probably would develop it from a covid infection but with the potential for way more complications.

2. How can antibodies from an infection be 100 times more robost than a vaccine induced one? Where is the evidence of this? Please post it, I'll wait.

3. Uh no. Correlation does not equal causation. There was a drop in cases in india because ppl freaked out and started masking up again, social distancing and staying at home. Not to mention there were a number of city wide lockdowns. This is what brought cases down so rapidly.



Forget about anyone under 30. Approximately 22% of all new covid cases in america are from 12-17 year olds.

Can the church of COVID vaccine send someone with a basic understand of how this all works?

1. People under 30, especially children, are not getting myocarditis from COVID. COVID may be the most stratified disease, age wise, in history. Almost as if it was designed by a country that believes they have a population problem and have no problem getting rid of the least productive citizens. People under 30 bodies are very efficient at fighting off the spike protein laden disease. But when you give them an mRNA sequence telling their very efficient bodies to make that very same spike protein our bodies find toxic (in layman terms)...well now that could turn into a problem. It would be messed up enough to push a harmless vaccine on kids for something that didn’t effect them. This is a whole new level. They are neither victims nor vectors for COVID.

2. Okay. the cliff notes version. A new virus enters the body. A white blood cells eats it and digests it into many different pieces. Those little pieces (antigens) become different models for our immune system to design antibodies to attach too. There’s around (loosely) 1000 of those little pieces turning into different targets for antibodies on the same virus. That’s natural immunity. For standard vaccine immunity, using partial or inert viruses, your body gets about 50 of those pieces. This particular vaccine, if you can call it that, is only offering up the spike protein of COVID. So at its best it only provides immunity from the symptoms of the spike protein, which isn’t the cause of all of COVID disease. This is why phizer and moderna never claim this is a prophylactic against COVID, but can reduce symptoms. It doesn’t stop you from getting COVID which is why it’s hard to even call it a vaccine.

3. Dear god, you’re like a soccer mom wandering into a mechanics shop, telling them how to fix a car by saying the only car part you know. The data on ivermectin is worldwide and undeniable. India was just the nail in the coffin for any doubters still remaining. You maybe could’ve made this argument the summer of last year, but this is as settled as science gets. This is why the Indian bar association is going after doctors who did not provide ivermectin. I can’t stop shaking my head on how stupid the statement of masks and lockdowns doing the trick. The data is also out on that voodoo science. Saying that masks work for airborne viruses is like saying eyeglasses double as excellent goggles for the pool.

It’s one thing to not really know what your talking about and throw out your honest opinion. It’s another to be this wrong and completely ignorant, yet believe you are so correct. Stop commenting.

That's hilarious considering your entire post is filled with disinformation and zero facts.

1. Actually about 1 in 100,000 children get myocarditis regularly. If you're going to include anyone under 30 that number goes way up. Coincidentally this is the highest risk group in any given year. The pitcher going against the yankees tonight had covid and had serious myocarditis and he's under 30.

2. The spike protein is how it gets into your cells. Without that ability the virus does nothing to you. Developing a wide range of antigens does nothing. Studies have shown antibodies from a natural infection don't last as long as ones produced from a vaccine, which are much more robust, the rate of reinfection is also anywhere from 15-20% from natural immunity, whereas the vaccine is way under 1%, and there is even recent data suggesting that those who have obtained natural immunity also still carry the virus and spreads it. Show me the evidence that proves natural immunity is 100x greater, you can't and never will.

No, again, let me correct you. The vaccine greatly reduces your odds of infection by 94-95% of the original strain and even some variants. That's straight from the CDC website. It's job isn't simply to reduce symptoms and allows you to carry the virus around. That's a right wing talking point and I've heard it before. It's disinformation. There have been a number of large studies especially out of the Israel Ministry of Health and the UK that the vaccine stops asymptomatic spread at a rate of 80-95%, it ranges from study to study, and might have something to do with the particular vaccine used, and in breakout cases you have a 40-60% reduction in asymptomatic spread compared to an unvaccinated person who's been infected.

3. No, i'm sorry, but it has not. There is no data to prove anything you're saying about Ivermectin otherwise the world would be all over it. This is nothing more than a right wing and antivaxxer wet dream fantasy, and that's all it'll ever will be until a legitimate double blind study is conducted. You know what's funny about all you ivermectin advocates? You bitch and cry about how the vaccines have not been thoroughly tested and how it's experimental, but because of politics, you completely throw all that bullshit rhetoric out the window when it comes to a horse dewormer. Talk about a double standard taken to the utmost extremes.

Oh my god, a walking talking big pharma Commercial.

1. VAERS data is not compiled by just finding randos with myocarditis and throwing them up on VAERS. Technically, yes, anyone can submit a VAERS claim. HOWEVER, it is usually doctors that do and the CDC then requests the medical records and looks into the cases. Once they confirm that yes indeed this was most likely caused by the vaccine, then it goes up on the website. Try again. I once saw a “fact checker” try to claim that the VAERS death numbers (at the time was around 6000) were “probably not accurate” because “anyone can submit a VAERS claim”. Conveniently leaving out how the data actually gets compiled. This is the fucked up sort of dishonesty I never thought would infiltrate the medical community. Boy was I wrong.

2. Yes, the spike protein ASSISTS in entering the cell. However, it is also the cause of the weird inflammation and clotting we see with COVID acting as the viral version of an endotoxin. An endotoxin is a structure in bacteria, where the bacteria itself might not be harmful, but once it is killed (from something like stomach acid for example) and breaks apart, the structure itself is actually toxic. In the case of COVID, it stimulates some sort of autoimmune response. We’re not 100% sure on why, and how specifically it causes clotting problems in some people, but we know it’s the culprit. The culprit specifically behind the very bad symptoms, like low O2 saturation, painful breathing, etc. try again.

As far as antibodies lasting however such and such long. This is one of the biggest lies out there. If you’re regurgitating this, you got duped. Big time. The whole “we don’t know how long immunity last because we don’t see antibodies after a few months” was actually my wake up call to there being something fishy about the narrative. IF we were to retain antibodies for every single different microbial our immune system came across, we would literally explode. Our immune system stops making the antibodies (at least the vast majority of them) after a few months...BUT it retains a quick blueprint memory to re-making the antibodies in the memory T-Cells in the bone marrow. This is how our immune systems have worked for all time. Nothing as changed. As far as vaccine antibodies lasting longer or whatever sounds like complete bullshit to me, nor would it matter if it’s true. But our immune systems to differentiate whether it’s a vaccine or naturally occurring virus. It’s all deemed as a potential threat, and all treated the same way. Try again

As far as “more antigens don’t matter” is complete bullshit. Especially when it comes to detecting the variants. The natural immunity in Israel (as well as around the world) is around 96% effective, even among the variants. Saying the vaccine is a better immunity (even when the OP is pointing out its clearly not) is like saying Daewoo is a better car than a Ferrari. Try again.

Are recovered COVID patients more protected than the vaccinated?

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www.timesofisrael.com

3. The whole “it needs a double blind study” thing is a complete farce. Complete farce. There’s more data on ivermectin and COVID than basically anything the FDA or CDC put into their COVID treatment guidelines ALSO WITHOUT ANY DOUBLE BLIND STUDIES. Why? Because we’re in the middle of a pandemic and it’s just not practical to do double blind studies when people are dying. I’ve already posted the data, I’ll do so again. I’ve also addressed all the BS lies about it not working (basically one BS Columbia study) so try to find some new ones please.

This is good cliff notes version of ivermectin with Dr Pierre Kory (whose credentials are unassailable) and Rogan.
Here’s the pooled results of all the ivermectin studies

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 172 studies

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 172 studies

c19ivermectin.com

Some data on ivermectin in India specifically

Indian State Will Offer Ivermectin To Entire Adult Population â Even As WHO Warns Against Its Use As Covid-19 Treatment

Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug and its effectiveness as a Covid-19 treatment is yet to be fully established.

www.forbes.com

Unprecedented Pandemic Turnaround in Uttar Pradesh with Dramatic Decline in Cases

The health authorities for the state of Uttar Pradesh are easing up on COVID-19-based restrictions, at least in zones of the state where SARS-CoV-2 infections now fall below 600 cases. Just how big of a turnaround is the situation there? Well, for much of February and March of 2021, the average...

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Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases

A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph

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Here’s the referenced Columbia study that the mainstream media loves (despite all other studies to the contrary)

Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19

This randomized trial compares the effects of ivermectin vs placebo on time to symptom resolution within 21 days among patients with mild COVID-19.

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Here’s the response of over 100 MDs to why that study is BS

letter | doctor letter

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Also, ivermectin is not just a horse dewormer you idiot. It won the fucking Nobel prize in 2015. It’s been around since the 70s and has been safely administered since. It has been a miracle drug for people in 3rd world countries, proving to be an effective broad spectrum anti-parasitic (notably against malaria). Now is showing to be an effective anti viral, maybe even a broad spectrum anti viral.

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2015

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2015 was divided, one half jointly to William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura "for their discoveries concerning a novel therapy against infections caused by roundworm parasites" and the other half to Tu Youyou "for her discoveries concerning a novel...

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Does this sound like a “dangerous drug”, or “just a horse dewormer” to you??? Absurd. You can’t even tell a half decent lie.

1. LOL. What does VAERS have anything to do with myocarditis and covid19, which was what we were talking about. Maybe you need to go to bed and put the alcohol away

2. I'm still waiting for your proof that immunity from natural infection is 100x more robust than from a vaccine. I'm almost finished with my popcorn and soda waiting for the comedy show to start.

3. Umm, so.....we shouldn't conduct any double blind studies to verify the safety and efficacy of a drug when ppl are dying, but wouldn't doing so actually save lives if it proves that it actually works in ppl to defeat covid? Countries would be mass producing it on wide scale and distributing it to every hospital. You know what you sound like right now? You sound like a car salesman deceptively trying to sell someone a lemon. "Oh no, it doesn't need to be test driven, I can guarantee it works, I'm an expert! Nothing to see here, nope, nothing at all, just take my word for it, it runs like a dream." Do you even listen to yourself? I'm not even against alternative treatments but when the right pushes so hard for some random drug it begins to lose all credibility. First it was hydroxychloroquine, now it's Ivermectin, next month they'll find another miracle cure, all so they don't have to go to the doctor and get their shots without crying. It's sad. Maybe there needs to be a campaign where doctors can offer lolipops in exchange for getting vaccinated.

This whole ivermectin propaganda campaign is like one giant amway pyramid scheme, where all the con men at the top filter disinformation to all the suckers below them, and they just repeat the same sale pitch over and over about the miracle drug Ivermectin. "Listen here, it's such a miracle drug, it doesn't even need FDA approval, just take it, it'll cure you, I promise!!"