How are we really doing?

5stringJeff

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Here's a letter from the front with much more info than you'll find elsewhere, straight from the horse's mouth.

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Falcon Flyer

Rip another page off your calendars! August was a tough month for the Regiment and we're glad to have it over with. The troopers who were here will never forget the heat of 6-12 August when thermometers pegged out at 136 degrees on the 10th and averaged 133 the whole period. It was a mistake to let bare skin touch metal - you would come away with a blister. Even so, the little Iraqi children cheerfully scurried across the blacktop in their
bare feet. The kids are something. They are always smiling and waving. Troopers get a kick out of them running to the street and saying 'Hey mister, mister, chocolate - you give me chocolate'. Of course, they have already learned GI slang and some of the boys practice spitting to imitate paratroopers.

It will probably have US troops there for at least another couple of
years, so the Army has decided to spruce it up. We are going to throw up barracks (with flush toilets even!) and then build up quality of life additions round ourselves.

I wanted to take a few lines and explain the big picture of this
operation as I see it. Our nation has asked the US military to do some seriously heavy lifting - with the help of some staunch coalition partners.
The global War on Terror is an extremely ambitious undertaking on par with liberating the continent of Europe while simultaneously defeating the Japanese in the Pacific during WW II. This war is about ending terrorism and the culture that breeds it. To do that, we had to come to the source. Some say that there was absolutely no connection between terrorism and
Saddam's regime. If that's so, how did Abu Nidal, the most notorious terrorist of the 80's and 90's, find sanctuary here in Baghdad until he died last year? How did Ansar Al Islam, a radical surrogate of Al Queda, operate training camps in Northern Iraq until 83 of them were killed by US SOF? How was it that our forces found Al Queda training materials including recipes for bio
toxins here? Who bombed the Jordanian embassy, the UN building, and the Shia mosque in Al Najaf?

In spite of what you hear from the hyped up election year media, we are winning this fight. At the tactical level, your loved ones are
conducting operations every night that directly target the remains of Saddam's murderous regime, along with those who seek to prolong the post-combat chaos in Baghdad for their own personal gain.

We have hired almost 2000 Iraqis who are working alongside of our troopers every day to preserve security and protect critical
infrastructure. We have recruited and are now training the first members of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps and the new Iraqi Army. There are now almost 6000 Iraqi policemen in Baghdad and training will continue until there are 16,500. In AO Falcon, we have also started our own security force called Neighborhood
Watch. We recruited men from each neighborhood to protect their
families and property from criminals and enemy fighters. There are now over 1300 men who prevent evil doers from entering the Al Rasheed community. We have also formed both Neighborhood and District Advisory Councils made up of Iraqi citizens who support our cause and they are beginning to take charge of their own affairs. The fledgling representative government is taking shape and the Iraqis are learning that freedom, prosperity and Islam can in fact co-exist. Each of these groups is beginning to understand that the propaganda being spread by the anti-coalition media is simply not true. We are not here for their oil, or to destroy their religion or install a Jewish government.

They now understand that what was caused by 35 years of neglect and decay cannot be repaired overnight. They have come to know our troopers for what they are: decent, caring, honorable people who treat everyone with dignity and respect unless given reason not to. They also realize this - the absolute worst thing that could ever happen to them is to have American
Paratroopers as their enemies.

The Iraqis of our district are learning that they can trust us.
Consequently, they are no longer afraid to approach us with the
information we need to eliminate the resistance fighters. The Iraqi people remain our best sources of intelligence. Because of this, we have transitioned from a strategy of near continuous presence on the streets to one of precision. We are no longer alienating innocent Iraqis by conducting searches of entire city blocks. Instead, we wait until we know for sure, and then strike
quickly to snatch our enemies from their hiding places.

Every hospital and clinic in Baghdad is now operating. The coalition is printing 5 million new textbooks, handing out school supplies to 1.2 million children and rehabilitating 1000 schools. Iraq is producing over 1 million barrels of oil a day. For the first time in history, Baghdad has a garbage collection service. Power production has jumped from 300 mega-watts per day after liberation to 3300 mega-watts per day. There are 1.3 million Iraqis drawing salaries, 92,000 receiving social security payments, and 90,000 working to clear irrigation canals of obstructions.

So the next time you listen to the presidential contenders and media - with their predictions of another Viet Nam, failure and hysteria, you know the real deal. Military campaigns are never easy - and replacing a tyrannical dictatorship with a democracy where one has never before existed is especially difficult. But, our troopers are making it happen and making it matter.

We will not fail and with the help of the Iraqi people, we will finish this fight and head on home.

Let's Go!
 
Thanks for the letter. Kind of seems like one of Bush's speech writers ended up over there. :)

here's another:

"Honorable Mr. Powell,

A cancer has begun to spread in the military - especially those currently serving in Iraq. Sir, that cancer - as you probably already are aware of - is the dissatisfaction of service members for having been lied to by our Commander in Chief and his staff."

This one and a lot more can be read at:

http://www.hackworth.com/
 
hahha, another LIB entered the board! Hey, welcome whatnow!!
 
Originally posted by whatnow
Thanks for the letter. Kind of seems like one of Bush's speech writers ended up over there. :)

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the author was an officer in the 82nd Airborne Divison, one of the toughest units in the Army.
 
I don't think so... first of all, I didn't see any of the quotes from the news story in the letter I posted. Secondly, I got the letter through a West Point alumni forum, the members of which are very careful about their sources, and are instilled with a great sense of not passing along lies or half-truths.
 
<I don't think so... first of all, I didn't see any of the quotes from the news story in the letter I posted.>

Well, that's good. Hopefully there isn't a second letter floating around. Apparently someone isn't too concerned with "not passing along lies or half-truths."

"Six soldiers reached by GNS directly or through their families said they agreed with the letter's thrust. But none of the soldiers said he wrote it, and one said he didn't even sign it."

The trouble is, a thing like this can put all the well meant letters from those serving under a cloud of doubt - whatever their message.

West Point alumni, huh? Isn't one of the candidates for President a former top graduate in his class at West Point?
 
Originally posted by whatnow
West Point alumni, huh? Isn't one of the candidates for President a former top graduate in his class at West Point?

Yes, he is, but I certainly won't vote for him just because of that. Look at the last service academy graduate to live in the White House - Jimmy Carter. Great heart, but no balls and terrible economic policies. While I would certainly be more open to giving Clark the benefit of the doubt, given his background, the opening weeks of his campaign suggests that he is going to try and pander to the Left just like the rest of them.
 
Fair enough.

Personally, I'll go with someone concerned with "not passing along lies or half-truths." I would find that refreshing. No, I wouldn't vote for anyone only because of the school they attended, military or otherwise. Pandering? I haven't seen a politician in years, if ever, that wasn't.
 
Quote from GOP_Jeff "While I would certainly be more open to giving Clark the benefit of the doubt, given his background, the opening weeks of his campaign suggests that he is going to try and pander to the Left just like the rest of them."

I fail to see how Clark is pandering to the left.The left has been attacking him rather vicously as of late.Howard Dean and Dick Gephardt both went after Wes Clark recently.Clark is very moderate.
 
So was this letter one of the identical 800 that were sent to newspapers all over the USA and the solders who supposedly wrote them didnt know a thing about them?
And what about the army covering up the high percentages of suside in our ranks over there?
You cheerleaders for Hallaburton explane that away....
 
Originally posted by Dawoud
So was this letter one of the identical 800 that were sent to newspapers all over the USA and the solders who supposedly wrote them didnt know a thing about them?
And what about the army covering up the high percentages of suside in our ranks over there?
You cheerleaders for Hallaburton explane that away....

800? LOL Try giving us a link! I think it was more like 6!

How about a link about the suicides as well. Please?

And whats with the cheerleading comment? Who here has been cheering for Halliburton?
 
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20031014/hl_afp/us_iraq_suicide_031014042337



The US army has sent mental health specialists to Iraq (news - web sites) to determine why so many soldiers are committing suicide there, a US media report said.
Eleven US soldiers and three Marines have killed themselves in the past seven months in Iraq -- an annualized rate of 17 suicides per 100,000 soldiers. The usual rate of army suicides is 13 per 100,000 soldiers, the report in the USA Today newspaper said.


A dozen other Army deaths being investigated in Iraq could include suicides, and the US Navy is also investigating one possible suicide, it said.


"The number of suicides has caused the Army to be concerned," said Lieutenant Colonel Elspeth Cameron Ritchie, an army psychiatrist helping to investigate the deaths. "Is there something different going on in Iraq that we really need to pay attention to?"


Most of the suicides have occurred since May 1, when major combat operations were declared ended.


Depression, harsh and dangerous living conditions, a long deployment and the accessibility of weapons could contribute to the problem, experts said.


The Army has sent 478 soldiers home from Iraq for mental-health reasons, the daily said.
 
Suicide by military personnel is nothing new, and I don't think 4 above the average is so alarming. It sucks that even one person would feel the need to take their own life, but this isn't something specific to Bush or Iraq - it's happened by soldiers in every war ever fought.

Now, what about the "800" letters? And who has been cheering for Halliburton on this board? I notice you didn't answer those questions.
 
Troops sent identical letter on Iraq progress on their own: Pentagon
Tue Oct 14, 4:25 PM ET Add Politics - AFP to My Yahoo!



WASHINGTON (AFP) - US soldiers acted on their own when they sent identical letters to a host of hometown US newspapers touting their unit's successes in Iraq (news - web sites), a Pentagon (news - web sites) spokesman said.




The letters raised eyebrows because they coincided with a similar effort by senior Bush administration officials to emphasize progress in Iraq to counter media coverage that has highlighted the continuing attacks on US troops.


The letters all came from the 2nd battalion of the US Army's 173 Airborne Brigade in the northern city of Kirkuk, whose commander took responsibility for having his soldiers send in the letters.


"My understanding is that it was an initiative taken by members of a unit because what they were seeing in the newspapers did not match what they were seeing in Iraq," said Air Force Colonel Jay DeFrank, a Pentagon spokesman.


"So they decided what they would do is send in a letter to media in each of their hometowns," he said.


"They got the best writer in the unit and had him draft a letter each of them would sign and send to his hometown media," he said.


DeFrank said he did not know who wrote the letter or how many were sent.


The letter, which was published in a least 11 newspapers, described what the soldiers were doing to help rebuild Kirkuk.


"New water treatment and sewage plants are being constructed and the distribution of oil and gas are steadily improving," it said.


"All of these functions were started by our soldiers here in this northern city and are now slowly being turned over to the newly elected city government."


And about my comments about Hallaburton maybe I was wrong about that. But would you like to explane why Chaneys still being paid hundreds of thousands a year by Hallaburton while hes able to greatly infulince the "NO BID" contracts? Doesent that smell a little rank to you?
 
Nobody ever denied that pre-written letters were mailed off. If you follow the first link in this thread you'll see that it was more like 6 soldiers, and the letters were sent to many newspaper outlets. Let's stretch it a bit and say 20, that's a FAR cry from 800. I know embellishment always helps in a debate, but that was a bit extreme! ;)

And about my comments about Hallaburton maybe I was wrong about that. But would you like to explane why Chaneys still being paid hundreds of thousands a year by Hallaburton while hes able to greatly infulince the "NO BID" contracts? Doesent that smell a little rank to you?

Didn't Cheney leave Halliburton in July of 1999?

Either way, maybe you should start a new thread on that subject so that we don't ruin Jeff's thread. I'm sure you'll get quite a few replies.
 
I cant find the exact number of letters sent or the number of newspapers that they were sent to i will look and try and find the exact numbers i guess 800 was way to many but i did hear Hundreds on NPR the other day
 
Survey Indicates U.S. Troop Morale Problems in Iraq
Thu Oct 16, 3:36 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!


By Charles Aldinger

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon (news - web sites)'s top general expressed concern on Thursday over a survey suggesting major morale problems among the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq (news - web sites), saying he was sometimes allowed to talk only to "happy" troops.


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Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters he was personally worried that when he and other top officers visited troops, they were only allowed to talk to "all the happy folks."


"I want to see the folks that have complaints. And sometimes they won't let them near me," Myers said when pressed about the Stars and Stripes newspaper survey in which half of 1,939 troops responding said morale in their unit was low or very low and that they did not plan to reenlist in the military.


The newspaper, which receives funding from the Pentagon, also said that a third of the survey respondents complained that their mission lacked clear definition and characterized the war in Iraq as of little or no value.


"It is useful insight," said Myers. "Morale is really important because it's people who get the job done."


Four in 10 respondents to Stars and Stripes said jobs they were doing had little or nothing to do with their training. Some called their tasks "make work."


The findings conflicted with statements by U.S. commanders in Iraq and Bush administration officials that portray the forces there as gung-ho and well-prepared.


The survey also suggested that difficult conditions in Iraq and prolonged tours of duty have left the U.S. military so stressed that it could cause a major exodus from the armed forces.


'NONSCIENTIFIC,' SAYS RUMSFELD


Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told the Pentagon briefing that military recruitment and enlistment figures did not appear to reflect the complaints among Reserve and National Guard troops and their families about yearlong tours of duty in Iraq.


Rumsfeld and Myers said there might be a problem in the part-time Army Reserve but they did not specify what it was. Both vowed to improve predictability in troop deployment.


"I'm told it was an informal and admittedly nonscientific poll," said Rumsfeld.


"I do talk to a great many of the troops. They seem up and recognizing the importance of the task they're doing and proud of what they're doing," he told reporters.


"On the other hand, I'm sure that you could go to any one of those groups and find people who are concerned about something, or unhappy, or don't have sufficient access to Internet or telephone to their families."


The secretary said that one problem being addressed was that the families of active forces tended to be live close together around military bases in natural support groups.


But part-time Guard and Reserve members in a single unit could be spread over four or five states, he added.


Rumsfeld and Myers addressed troop morale after the Army said that at least 13 U.S. troops have committed suicide in Iraq, representing more than 10 percent of American noncombat deaths there, and that it had dispatched a suicide-prevention expert to assess the problem.
 
I think the main reason for low morale is the length of time some soldiers have spent over there. Hopefully that will be fixed soon with the resolution that was unanimously passed today.
 

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