How a Leader Responds to Americans Threatened

[pknopp]

We aren't going to stop Iran from getting nukes. If needed China and Russia will supply them.

You surprise me: most people assume North Korea will supply them with nukes. However, it's not a bad analysis, IMO --- we see now (with the joint military exercises) that Iran, China, and Russia are now an Axis against us. So.....Yeah. Could happen, about the nukes, if Iran were crazy enough to be willing to take point in a casus bellum.

It's not clear that N. Korea will ever get or develop nukes. Iran will.

It's not clear that N. Korea will ever get or develop nukes. Iran will.

Are you really that ignorant?

We will see won't we?

Go stick to the Arts and Crafts forum, ignoramus.

North Korea detonates third nuclear bomb test

Iraq was supposedly close to having nukes also. You can never trust the news about a place that there are people who would like to start a war with.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

 

[Nostra]

We aren't going to stop Iran from getting nukes. If needed China and Russia will supply them.

You surprise me: most people assume North Korea will supply them with nukes. However, it's not a bad analysis, IMO --- we see now (with the joint military exercises) that Iran, China, and Russia are now an Axis against us. So.....Yeah. Could happen, about the nukes, if Iran were crazy enough to be willing to take point in a casus bellum.

It's not clear that N. Korea will ever get or develop nukes. Iran will.

NK has them.

Iran will have them thanks to Barry Hussein and his moronic deal.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You surprise me: most people assume North Korea will supply them with nukes. However, it's not a bad analysis, IMO --- we see now (with the joint military exercises) that Iran, China, and Russia are now an Axis against us. So.....Yeah. Could happen, about the nukes, if Iran were crazy enough to be willing to take point in a casus bellum.

It's not clear that N. Korea will ever get or develop nukes. Iran will.

It's not clear that N. Korea will ever get or develop nukes. Iran will.

Are you really that ignorant?

We will see won't we?

Go stick to the Arts and Crafts forum, ignoramus.

North Korea detonates third nuclear bomb test

Iraq was supposedly close to having nukes also. You can never trust the news about a place that there are people who would like to start a war with.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

You didn’t even know NK was a nuke nation. Go post about yarn spinning.

 

[pknopp]

We call them "advisors". They are troops.

I used to be an "Advisor".
Advisors can be killed pretty easy when they're outnumbered.
Obama pulled out our combat troops.....at least that's what he took credit for.

He honored the agreement between Bush and Iraq. It's odd how people want to forget this. You can argue he shouldn't have but that is what he did.

Bush agreed to keep 30,000 in Iraq.
My understanding is that Obama pulled them out and left a few advisers behind to fend for themselves.

Bush's agreement was for us to leave.

In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011

Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq - Wikipedia

From your link:

Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010. There were late-night meetings at the fortified compound of then Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, and in video conferences between Baghdad and Washington. In June 2011, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that President Obama had told Prime Minister Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF). Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies. Eventually, he gained authorization to continue talks with the U.S. on keeping troops in Iraq.[66] The Iraqi parliament returned from a recess in late November 2011 (shortly before the year-end withdrawal date) because of a concern that remaining U.S. troops would not be granted immunity by Iraqi courts. American field commanders were concerned about the Sadrist response if the troops remained and about Iraqi readiness for a transfer of power.[67]

In August 2011, after debates between the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, the U.S. settled on the 3,000 to 5,000 troop number. An American official said intelligence assessments stated that Iraq was not at great risk of slipping into chaos in the absence of American forces, which was a factor in the decision.[66]

In October 2011, American officials pressed Iraqi leadership to meet again at President Talabani's compound to discuss the issue. This time the U.S. asked Iraq to take a stand on the question of immunity for troops, hoping to remove what had always been the biggest challenge. However, they misread Iraqi politics and the Iraqi public. Having watched the Arab Spring sweep across the region and still haunted by the traumas of this and previous wars, the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.[66]

Iraqi leadership picked up on that sentiment quickly. As a result, they publicly said they would not support legal immunity for any American troops. Some American officials have privately said that pushing for that meeting—in essence forcing the Iraqis to take a public stand on such a controversial matter before working out the politics of presenting it to their constituents and to Parliament—was a severe tactical mistake that ended any possibility of keeping American troops past December 2011.[66]

After the pull out was announced, White House aides said the U.S. would keep its embassy in Baghdad and two consulates. They also said there will be about 4,000–5,000 defense contractors.[68]

"Defense contractors". I addressed this earlier today. The agreement Bush made was for a complete withdraw. That is what Obama agreed to. The war mongers got to him just like they get to Trump. They get weak kneed and we get crap like this.

Troops were left but we called them "defense contractors".

 

[Weatherman2020]

We aren't going to stop Iran from getting nukes. If needed China and Russia will supply them.

You surprise me: most people assume North Korea will supply them with nukes. However, it's not a bad analysis, IMO --- we see now (with the joint military exercises) that Iran, China, and Russia are now an Axis against us. So.....Yeah. Could happen, about the nukes, if Iran were crazy enough to be willing to take point in a casus bellum.

It's not clear that N. Korea will ever get or develop nukes. Iran will.

NK has them.

Iran will have them thanks to Barry Hussein and his moronic deal.

And giving the terrorists a few billion dollars cash to create their nukes.

 

[pknopp]

It's not clear that N. Korea will ever get or develop nukes. Iran will.

It's not clear that N. Korea will ever get or develop nukes. Iran will.

Are you really that ignorant?

We will see won't we?

Go stick to the Arts and Crafts forum, ignoramus.

North Korea detonates third nuclear bomb test

Iraq was supposedly close to having nukes also. You can never trust the news about a place that there are people who would like to start a war with.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

You didn’t even know NK was a nuke nation. Go post about yarn spinning.

We will see. We can no longer trust much of what we are told.

 

[Nostra]

I used to be an "Advisor".
Advisors can be killed pretty easy when they're outnumbered.
Obama pulled out our combat troops.....at least that's what he took credit for.

He honored the agreement between Bush and Iraq. It's odd how people want to forget this. You can argue he shouldn't have but that is what he did.

Bush agreed to keep 30,000 in Iraq.
My understanding is that Obama pulled them out and left a few advisers behind to fend for themselves.

Bush's agreement was for us to leave.

In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011

Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq - Wikipedia

From your link:

Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010. There were late-night meetings at the fortified compound of then Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, and in video conferences between Baghdad and Washington. In June 2011, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that President Obama had told Prime Minister Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF). Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies. Eventually, he gained authorization to continue talks with the U.S. on keeping troops in Iraq.[66] The Iraqi parliament returned from a recess in late November 2011 (shortly before the year-end withdrawal date) because of a concern that remaining U.S. troops would not be granted immunity by Iraqi courts. American field commanders were concerned about the Sadrist response if the troops remained and about Iraqi readiness for a transfer of power.[67]

In August 2011, after debates between the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, the U.S. settled on the 3,000 to 5,000 troop number. An American official said intelligence assessments stated that Iraq was not at great risk of slipping into chaos in the absence of American forces, which was a factor in the decision.[66]

In October 2011, American officials pressed Iraqi leadership to meet again at President Talabani's compound to discuss the issue. This time the U.S. asked Iraq to take a stand on the question of immunity for troops, hoping to remove what had always been the biggest challenge. However, they misread Iraqi politics and the Iraqi public. Having watched the Arab Spring sweep across the region and still haunted by the traumas of this and previous wars, the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.[66]

Iraqi leadership picked up on that sentiment quickly. As a result, they publicly said they would not support legal immunity for any American troops. Some American officials have privately said that pushing for that meeting—in essence forcing the Iraqis to take a public stand on such a controversial matter before working out the politics of presenting it to their constituents and to Parliament—was a severe tactical mistake that ended any possibility of keeping American troops past December 2011.[66]

After the pull out was announced, White House aides said the U.S. would keep its embassy in Baghdad and two consulates. They also said there will be about 4,000–5,000 defense contractors.[68]

"Defense contractors". I addressed this earlier today. The agreement Bush made was for a complete withdraw. That is what Obama agreed to. The war mongers got to him just like they get to Trump. They get weak kneed and we get crap like this.

Troops were left but we called them "defense contractors".

Lies.

If it was a done deal we would have no troops, why was Barry negotiating for troops to stay?

Your own link destroys your bullshit.

 

[pknopp]

He honored the agreement between Bush and Iraq. It's odd how people want to forget this. You can argue he shouldn't have but that is what he did.

Bush agreed to keep 30,000 in Iraq.
My understanding is that Obama pulled them out and left a few advisers behind to fend for themselves.

Bush's agreement was for us to leave.

In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011

Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq - Wikipedia

From your link:

Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010. There were late-night meetings at the fortified compound of then Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, and in video conferences between Baghdad and Washington. In June 2011, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that President Obama had told Prime Minister Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF). Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies. Eventually, he gained authorization to continue talks with the U.S. on keeping troops in Iraq.[66] The Iraqi parliament returned from a recess in late November 2011 (shortly before the year-end withdrawal date) because of a concern that remaining U.S. troops would not be granted immunity by Iraqi courts. American field commanders were concerned about the Sadrist response if the troops remained and about Iraqi readiness for a transfer of power.[67]

In August 2011, after debates between the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, the U.S. settled on the 3,000 to 5,000 troop number. An American official said intelligence assessments stated that Iraq was not at great risk of slipping into chaos in the absence of American forces, which was a factor in the decision.[66]

In October 2011, American officials pressed Iraqi leadership to meet again at President Talabani's compound to discuss the issue. This time the U.S. asked Iraq to take a stand on the question of immunity for troops, hoping to remove what had always been the biggest challenge. However, they misread Iraqi politics and the Iraqi public. Having watched the Arab Spring sweep across the region and still haunted by the traumas of this and previous wars, the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.[66]

Iraqi leadership picked up on that sentiment quickly. As a result, they publicly said they would not support legal immunity for any American troops. Some American officials have privately said that pushing for that meeting—in essence forcing the Iraqis to take a public stand on such a controversial matter before working out the politics of presenting it to their constituents and to Parliament—was a severe tactical mistake that ended any possibility of keeping American troops past December 2011.[66]

After the pull out was announced, White House aides said the U.S. would keep its embassy in Baghdad and two consulates. They also said there will be about 4,000–5,000 defense contractors.[68]

"Defense contractors". I addressed this earlier today. The agreement Bush made was for a complete withdraw. That is what Obama agreed to. The war mongers got to him just like they get to Trump. They get weak kneed and we get crap like this.

Troops were left but we called them "defense contractors".

Lies.

If it was a done deal we would have no troops, why was Barry negotiating for troops to stay?

Your own link destroys your bullshit.

I explained why. If you aren't going to read what I post, should I bother?

 

[bodecea]

MAGA.

Too bad the previous POS Obama and Hillary clown show went to bed instead.

We have soldiers overseas? What happened to trump promising to being soldiers out of harm ways ?

That was a lie, like most everything that trump says.

 

[Weatherman2020]

MAGA.

Too bad the previous POS Obama and Hillary clown show went to bed instead.

We have soldiers overseas? What happened to trump promising to being soldiers out of harm ways ?

That was a lie, like most everything that trump says.

What a pathetic excuse for a human you Leftards are. Why do you think they had to fly into Iraq, shitforbrains??

 

[mudwhistle]

We left troops......but call them something else???

RLMAFAO!!!!

We call them "advisors". They are troops.

I used to be an "Advisor".
Advisors can be killed pretty easy when they're outnumbered.
Obama pulled out our combat troops.....at least that's what he took credit for.

He honored the agreement between Bush and Iraq. It's odd how people want to forget this. You can argue he shouldn't have but that is what he did.

Bush agreed to keep 30,000 in Iraq.
My understanding is that Obama pulled them out and left a few advisers behind to fend for themselves.

Bush's agreement was for us to leave.

In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011

Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq - Wikipedia

And you believe everything that Wiki posts. You do know that anyone can edit that material, right?
My understanding was we were supposed to leave behind 30,000.
The problem is Obama refused to sign a forces protection agreement with the Iraqis....so we had to pull out.
Which means our forces would not be protected from legal action by Iraqis who held a grudge against them.

 

[Weatherman2020]

We call them "advisors". They are troops.

I used to be an "Advisor".
Advisors can be killed pretty easy when they're outnumbered.
Obama pulled out our combat troops.....at least that's what he took credit for.

He honored the agreement between Bush and Iraq. It's odd how people want to forget this. You can argue he shouldn't have but that is what he did.

Bush agreed to keep 30,000 in Iraq.
My understanding is that Obama pulled them out and left a few advisers behind to fend for themselves.

Bush's agreement was for us to leave.

In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011

Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq - Wikipedia

And you believe everything that Wiki posts. You do know that anyone can edit that material, right?
My understanding was we were supposed to leave behind 30,000.
The problem is Obama refused to sign a forces protection agreement with the Iraqis....so we had to pull out.
Which means our forces would not be protected from legal action by Iraqis who held a grudge against them.

Read the thread. He didn’t even know NK has nukes.

 

[skews13]

MAGA.

Too bad the previous POS Obama and Hillary clown show went to bed instead.

 

[skews13]

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There was no fight. The Iraqi's asked them to leave nicely.

The next day, and they left on their own, with embassy personnell locked inside.

Trump was playing golf at the time.

Command General Carter Hamm testified there were no go teams ready to go into Libya. Your bullshit fantasy of a story has been thoroughly debunked.

The damage is done. A contractor killed, 4 personell wounded, punked by the Ayatollah.

A failure as a commander in chief, laughed at by all of our enemies.

 

[Jitss617]

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There was no fight. The Iraqi's asked them to leave nicely.

The next day, and they left on their own, with embassy personnell locked inside.

Trump was playing golf at the time.

Command General Carter Hamm testified there were no go teams ready to go into Libya. Your bullshit fantasy of a story has been thoroughly debunked.

The damage is done. A contractor killed, 4 personell wounded, punked by the Ayatollah.

A failure as a commander in chief, laughed at by all of our enemies.

TDS

 

[skews13]

View attachment 297769

There was no fight. The Iraqi's asked them to leave nicely.

The next day, and they left on their own, with embassy personnell locked inside.

Trump was playing golf at the time.

Command General Carter Hamm testified there were no go teams ready to go into Libya. Your bullshit fantasy of a story has been thoroughly debunked.

The damage is done. A contractor killed, 4 personell wounded, punked by the Ayatollah.

A failure as a commander in chief, laughed at by all of our enemies.

TDS

That would be you. trump deranged sucker

 

[mudwhistle]

I used to be an "Advisor".
Advisors can be killed pretty easy when they're outnumbered.
Obama pulled out our combat troops.....at least that's what he took credit for.

He honored the agreement between Bush and Iraq. It's odd how people want to forget this. You can argue he shouldn't have but that is what he did.

Bush agreed to keep 30,000 in Iraq.
My understanding is that Obama pulled them out and left a few advisers behind to fend for themselves.

Bush's agreement was for us to leave.

In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011

Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq - Wikipedia

And you believe everything that Wiki posts. You do know that anyone can edit that material, right?
My understanding was we were supposed to leave behind 30,000.
The problem is Obama refused to sign a forces protection agreement with the Iraqis....so we had to pull out.
Which means our forces would not be protected from legal action by Iraqis who held a grudge against them.

Read the thread. He didn’t even know NK has nukes.

I'm sure Bush knew NK had nukes.

 

[Nostra]

Bush agreed to keep 30,000 in Iraq.
My understanding is that Obama pulled them out and left a few advisers behind to fend for themselves.

Bush's agreement was for us to leave.

In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011

Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq - Wikipedia

From your link:

Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010. There were late-night meetings at the fortified compound of then Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, and in video conferences between Baghdad and Washington. In June 2011, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that President Obama had told Prime Minister Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF). Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies. Eventually, he gained authorization to continue talks with the U.S. on keeping troops in Iraq.[66] The Iraqi parliament returned from a recess in late November 2011 (shortly before the year-end withdrawal date) because of a concern that remaining U.S. troops would not be granted immunity by Iraqi courts. American field commanders were concerned about the Sadrist response if the troops remained and about Iraqi readiness for a transfer of power.[67]

In August 2011, after debates between the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, the U.S. settled on the 3,000 to 5,000 troop number. An American official said intelligence assessments stated that Iraq was not at great risk of slipping into chaos in the absence of American forces, which was a factor in the decision.[66]

In October 2011, American officials pressed Iraqi leadership to meet again at President Talabani's compound to discuss the issue. This time the U.S. asked Iraq to take a stand on the question of immunity for troops, hoping to remove what had always been the biggest challenge. However, they misread Iraqi politics and the Iraqi public. Having watched the Arab Spring sweep across the region and still haunted by the traumas of this and previous wars, the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.[66]

Iraqi leadership picked up on that sentiment quickly. As a result, they publicly said they would not support legal immunity for any American troops. Some American officials have privately said that pushing for that meeting—in essence forcing the Iraqis to take a public stand on such a controversial matter before working out the politics of presenting it to their constituents and to Parliament—was a severe tactical mistake that ended any possibility of keeping American troops past December 2011.[66]

After the pull out was announced, White House aides said the U.S. would keep its embassy in Baghdad and two consulates. They also said there will be about 4,000–5,000 defense contractors.[68]

"Defense contractors". I addressed this earlier today. The agreement Bush made was for a complete withdraw. That is what Obama agreed to. The war mongers got to him just like they get to Trump. They get weak kneed and we get crap like this.

Troops were left but we called them "defense contractors".

Lies.

If it was a done deal we would have no troops, why was Barry negotiating for troops to stay?

Your own link destroys your bullshit.

I explained why. If you aren't going to read what I post, should I bother?

I accept your concession.

 

[Issa]

MAGA.

Too bad the previous POS Obama and Hillary clown show went to bed instead.

We have soldiers overseas? What happened to trump promising to being soldiers out of harm ways ?

When Trump tried to pull troops out of Syria you bipolar lunatics went postal.

I'm for it...who are you talking about?

 

[Issa]

MAGA.

Too bad the previous POS Obama and Hillary clown show went to bed instead.

We have soldiers overseas? What happened to trump promising to being soldiers out of harm ways ?

We have Marines at every embassy in the world...idiot.

You dont need 5000 to guard an office. Grow up!!!