Holocaust History

[Sixties Fan]

Behind Every Name a Story consists of essays describing survivors’ experiences during the Holocaust, written by survivors or their families. We encourage all survivors to share their unique experiences to ensure their preservation for future generations.

The essays, accompanying photographs, and other materials, including submissions that we are unable to feature on our website, will become a permanent part of the Museum’s records.

Behind Every Name a Story - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

www.ushmm.org

 

[Sixties Fan]

Tuesday 27 January is the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz. Six survivors, some of whom will be returning to the site for the last time, tell Kate Connolly their stories

Tales from Auschwitz: survivor stories

Tuesday 27 January is the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz. Six survivors, some of whom will be returning to the site for the last time, tell Kate Connolly their stories

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[flacaltenn]

Very true. But not having any recognition is a sin. Highlighting glaringly one horror while never mentioning something way worse is wrong wrong wrong

What do you think of this. You and most don't even know about it....What does this tell you?

Emigration and the Evian Conference

In July 1938, 32 nations met in Evian, France, to discuss immigration policies for Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. Learn how these discussions impacted Jewish lives.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

We and the world could have saved the Jews. But we didn't did we

The NAZIS laughed and were given the OK

Of course we are not allowed to teach it. You have to find it yourself

Not sure there's a comparison here between the Holocaust and "mass murders" by ANY dictatorial govt. Russia killed RUSSIANS. China KILLED Chinese. In the case of the Russian commie revolution, its ironic (but understandable) that Jews were at high levels of ESTABLISHING that "revolution of proletariat" that led to mass murders. BECAUSE -- their existence was so bad under the Czarist plague,

Hitler EXPORTED THE HATE -- didn't largely kill Germans. He targeted all the weak and non-Aryans and "cultish" religions he could find. We're not talking about EXPECTED bad outcomes of commie revolts here -- we're talking about REAL HATE CRIMES EXPORTED to MOST of the countries and PEOPLES that Germany conquered.

 

[flacaltenn]

Closed for Moderation. Will re-open shortly. Topic is the Holocaust. Keep the discussion to the proper CENTURY AND CONTINENT !!!!

 

[flacaltenn]

Re-opened. After deleting 27 posts and other actions, dont DERAIL. The topic is very specific. Comparisons to other actual genocides allowed, comparisons to modern politics including Palestine and American issues NOT allowed. Discuss everything else in an APPROPRIATE thread.

 

[DudleySmith]

Hitler EXPORTED THE HATE -- didn't largely kill Germans. He targeted all the weak and non-Aryans and "cultish" religions he could find. We're not talking about EXPECTED bad outcomes of commie revolts here -- we're talking about REAL HATE CRIMES EXPORTED to MOST of the countries and PEOPLES that Germany conquered.

He already had plenty of supporters in eastern Europe, especially among Poles and Belarusian and Ukrainians. I don't think they were suddenly mesmerized by the Nazis and were new 'converts'; most of the bigotry was domestic. Polish Reds and Blues were big parts of the machine at both ends of the tracks to the Operation Reinhard camps.

 

[irosie91]

Nobody denies the Holocaust happened.

Some of us don't think it should become a permanent hall pass three generations later for the Zionists to abuse the Palestinians.

"NOBODY DENIES THE HOLOCAUST
HAPPENED" ??? talk to educated people
"educated" in muslim countries

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

Berkach’s mikveh, once called a “Jewish swimming pool” by locals after the Holocaust.

My guide through Berkach’s history is Gundela Bach, a loquacious local tour guide who’s dedicated herself to the preservation and appreciation of Berkach’s old synagogue, Jewish cemetery, and mikveh — a pool of water used by married Jewish women for ritual washing.

Built in 1854, the 19th-century synagogue was confiscated and “sold” in 1938. Its Torah —the “Goold Torah” — was smuggled out and made its way to Temple Israel near Orlando, Florida. The only reason the synagogue even survived was because it was not seen as “significant enough” to warrant full-scale destruction.

A quickly scrawled swastika still mars the interior support beams of Mühlhausen’s 19th-century synagogue, which otherwise survived the destruction of Kristallnacht in 1938.
On Kristallnacht — the Night of Broken Glass — in November 1938, Nazis broke into the synagogue with the intention of burning it down, as they did with so many other synagogues that night across Germany. But because the synagogue shared a wall with one of the attacker’s homes, they decided not to destroy it. They carved swastikas in its walls, leaving it to disrepair over the next several decades. Rediscovered in the 1990s, today it is a part of the community’s continual educational efforts.

Through lectures, concerts, and programs with local schools and churches hosted at the synagogue, Pastor Teja Begrich, along with partners like Dr. Antje Schloms of Mühlhausen’s city archives and the nearby Erfurt Jewish community, utilize the synagogue to show how German Jewish life isn’t only a thing of the past, “but a living part of our present,” said Begrich.

(full article online)

The Little-Known Jewish History in the Heart of Germany

Ken Chitwood shares another effect of the holocaust to a once thriving community in his article The Little-Known Jewish History in the Heart of Germany.

www.patheos.com

 

[Mushroom]

I know that a lot of holocaust survivors were really offended by Hogan's Heroes, which poked fun at the event back in the 1960's. Many contended that the camps were nothing like the one that was portrayed and that Colonel Klink and Sergeant Schultz were really atypical of those that they met in the German camp system.

Actually, there is no comparison between the political camps (like the Concentration camps), and the stalag camps used for housing prisoners of war.

One was where people were put to be used until they died. In the other, they did try to care for them the best as they could. If anything, for the most part the Germans were careful about following the Hague and Geneva Conventions. Not always (especially with the SS), but they did follow them about as much as the Allied Powers did.

So your comparison really kinda fails. It would be like comparing conditions in Mexico and New York, and trying to say they are the same as both are on "North America". And there was not all that much backlash, as almost every single German officer shown in the series was played by a well known Jewish actor.

Like John Banner. Who served in WWII with the US Army.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Jewish gangsters once took on Nazis in the streets of NYC

In the late 1930s, America’s fascism problem was eventually solved — with some Jewish toughs and their fists, a new book reveals.

nypost.com

 

[DudleySmith]

Actually, there is no comparison between the political camps (like the Concentration camps), and the stalag camps used for housing prisoners of war.

One was where people were put to be used until they died. In the other, they did try to care for them the best as they could. If anything, for the most part the Germans were careful about following the Hague and Geneva Conventions. Not always (especially with the SS), but they did follow them about as much as the Allied Powers did.

So your comparison really kinda fails. It would be like comparing conditions in Mexico and New York, and trying to say they are the same as both are on "North America". And there was not all that much backlash, as almost every single German officer shown in the series was played by a well known Jewish actor.

Like John Banner. Who served in WWII with the US Army.

Russian and other eastern European POWs were not treated like western POW's were by Germany.

 

[Mindful]

He didn’t just kill them.

 

[Mushroom]

Russian and other eastern European POWs were not treated like western POW's were by Germany.

And they were treated even worse by the Soviets.

However, the claim was comparing Hogan's Hero's to Jewish Concentration Camps.

 

[Briss]

Zyklon B gas was introduced into the German concentration camp system as a means for murder.

I'm wondering whether or not you have any understanding of the properties of Zyklon B.

What's your understanding?

 

[Indeependent]

I'm wondering whether or not you have any understanding of the properties of Zyklon B.

What's your understanding?

Zyklon B - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Ralph Norton]

I'm wondering whether or not you have any understanding of the properties of Zyklon B.

What's your understanding?

Maybe you could fast forward to the part where you tell us what you think he doesn't know?
I'm waiting to see if you have anything to add to my understanding that Zyklon B was used to kill Jews in the concentration camps.

 

[Indeependent]

Maybe you could fast forward to the part where you tell us what you think he doesn't know?
I'm waiting to see if you have anything to add to my understanding that Zyklon B was used to kill Jews in the concentration camps.

I’m thinking Patrick Buchanan just joined.

 

[Briss]

I’m thinking Patrick Buchanan just joined.

Un huh. And I'm thinking we've just experienced a sample of your thinking.

Various allleged witnesses claim that gas chamber executions at Auschwitz took anywhere from instantaneous to twenty minutes. However, the most reliable sources for determining how long a gassing took from start to finish would be the physicians who ordered and supervised the gassings. Four former physicians in Auschwitz have made statements in that regard. Their names are Dr. Hans Munch, Dr. Horst Fischer, Dr. Friedrich Entress, and Dr. johann Paul Kremer. One gives a time of 3 to 5 minutes; one gives a time of 2 to 5 minutes; one gives a time of 5 minutes; and one gives a time of "some minutes." Keep in mind that in U.S. execution chambers, it took 10 minutes to terminate a prisoner.

Now, according to Professor Dr. Fritz Habor, it takes twice the poison to kill in half the time. With U.S. executions, it took 10 minutes at 0.32% hydrogen cyanide per volume. That means that in order for the 5 minute time frame given for Auschwitz gas chambers to be plausible, a 0.64% hydrogen cyanide per volume would be required. The problem is that zyklon-B does not act at all like the cyanide powder mixed with sulphuric acid used in U.S. execution chambers where the bulk of the poison gas develops instantly. Zyklon-B was developed to release the poison slowly. This was done for two reasons. Firstly, to allow those who were spreading it around inside an area to have time to do so and then get out without being harmed. And secondly, to release the poison continuously for an hour or more, which was for the purpose of compensating for leakage and absorbtion in moisture. The hydrogen cyanide used for fumigation in the camps used gypsum as a carrier substance; analysis of zyklon-B left behind by german authorities at Auschwitz confirm this.

There was a paper written in 1942 that discusses how fast hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the gypsum carrier pellets. The author, Richard Irmscher, was a researcher who worked at developing and improving zyklon-B. A chart taken from Irmscher's paper shows how fast the hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the zyklon-B. It shows that, in 5 minutes at 15 degrees celsius with the pellets spread out evenly as during delousing, 10% is released. Now, in a chamber packed with people, the temperature would have risen substantially, and the relative humidity would have been 100% in little time. The higher humidity would cause the condensation of moisture on the gypsum pellets. Hydrogen cyanide is so water soluble that once the carrier material is wet, the release of gas would be even slower.

Then we have a guy named David Cole who Interviewed Dr. Franciszek Piper who was the director of the Auschwitz State Museum. During that interview, Piper was asked why the residue count was high in the delousing chambers, but low in the homicidal chambers. He said the Zyklon B was operated a very short time, about 20 or 30 minutes during 24 hours, and in the disinfestation rooms it operated the whole day and night. Such was the procedure of using gas in the disinfestation rooms and gas chambers. That bespeaks one mass gassing per day. That contradicts eyewitness testimonies which speak of repeated homicidal gassings going on day and night. So, the question is: Could the high death rate at the camp have occured if the gas chambers were used only twenty or thirty minutes during 24 hours as Piper claims they were?

The New York Times published an article about a book by Jean-Claude Pressac. The book was written to refute revisionists. New York Times writer Richard Bernstein writes that according to Pressac, "it would have been necessary for the extermination rooms to have been emptied of corpses and refilled with new victims every half hour or so, as would have been necessary for such a large number of victims."

So, what we have here is a contradiction. It is claimed that limited use of the chambers explains the lack of residue. However, limited gassing contradicts eye-witnesses and makes the high gassing-death rate technically impossible. By attempting to support one part of the Holocaust story, Piper disproves another part.

Let's move on.

In a series of interviews with Shlomo Venezia, a survivor of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, Venezia said that the Sonderkommando units were comprised of Jews who cleaned up the gas chambers after a group of prisoners had been murdered. After its personnel dragged the corpses out of the chamber--as Venezia states, this in and of itself was an extremely disturbing process, as it was initially difficult to disentangle the bodies--the room had to be cleaned. All traces of blood and excrement had to be washed away in order to present a clean, sterile, and hence worry-free environment to the next batch of victims. After completing this task, the men of the Sonderkommando then moved through the corpses, clipping hair or pulling out gold teeth before disposing of the bodies in industrial furnaces. The expertise that the Germans acquired in carrying out mass murder was soon passed on to the men manning the Sonderkommando units.


However, Bill Armontrout, was an expert witness at the second Ernst Zundel trial in Toronto. He was warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, which includes an execution gas chamber. He said, "One of the things that cyanide gas does, it goes in the pores of your skin. You hose the body down, see. You have to use rubber gloves, and you hose the body down to decontaminate it before you do anything else."

In court, Armontrout testified to the safety precautions that were necessary to prevent those who handled the dead criminal's body from being poisoned by the deadly HCN themselves. He said, "The ventilation fan ran for approximately one hour before two officers equipped with Scott air-packs could open the hatch of the gas chamber and remove the lead bucket containing the cyanide residue. The two officers wore rubberized disposable clothing and long rubber gloves. They hosed down the condemned man's body in the chair, paying particular attention to the hair and the clothing because of the cyanide residue, then removed him and placed him on a gurney where further decontamination took place."

I trust I don't have to explain to you what this has to do with the story of the Sonderkommando units going in and handling bodies, clipping hair, etc. So you have a problem. If the Zyklon B was weak, and known to be slow in its release, then the mass-gassings could not have occurred as you have been taught. On the other hand, if the Zyklon B was adequate to the task, and quickly released (which it wasn't), then the testimony of surviving Sonderkommandos are easily shown to be fictitious.

You may start with rebuttals about right now.