Holocaust History

[Indeependent]

Un huh. And I'm thinking we've just experienced a sample of your thinking.

Various allleged witnesses claim that gas chamber executions at Auschwitz took anywhere from instantaneous to twenty minutes. However, the most reliable sources for determining how long a gassing took from start to finish would be the physicians who ordered and supervised the gassings. Four former physicians in Auschwitz have made statements in that regard. Their names are Dr. Hans Munch, Dr. Horst Fischer, Dr. Friedrich Entress, and Dr. johann Paul Kremer. One gives a time of 3 to 5 minutes; one gives a time of 2 to 5 minutes; one gives a time of 5 minutes; and one gives a time of "some minutes." Keep in mind that in U.S. execution chambers, it took 10 minutes to terminate a prisoner.

Now, according to Professor Dr. Fritz Habor, it takes twice the poison to kill in half the time. With U.S. executions, it took 10 minutes at 0.32% hydrogen cyanide per volume. That means that in order for the 5 minute time frame given for Auschwitz gas chambers to be plausible, a 0.64% hydrogen cyanide per volume would be required. The problem is that zyklon-B does not act at all like the cyanide powder mixed with sulphuric acid used in U.S. execution chambers where the bulk of the poison gas develops instantly. Zyklon-B was developed to release the poison slowly. This was done for two reasons. Firstly, to allow those who were spreading it around inside an area to have time to do so and then get out without being harmed. And secondly, to release the poison continuously for an hour or more, which was for the purpose of compensating for leakage and absorbtion in moisture. The hydrogen cyanide used for fumigation in the camps used gypsum as a carrier substance; analysis of zyklon-B left behind by german authorities at Auschwitz confirm this.

There was a paper written in 1942 that discusses how fast hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the gypsum carrier pellets. The author, Richard Irmscher, was a researcher who worked at developing and improving zyklon-B. A chart taken from Irmscher's paper shows how fast the hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the zyklon-B. It shows that, in 5 minutes at 15 degrees celsius with the pellets spread out evenly as during delousing, 10% is released. Now, in a chamber packed with people, the temperature would have risen substantially, and the relative humidity would have been 100% in little time. The higher humidity would cause the condensation of moisture on the gypsum pellets. Hydrogen cyanide is so water soluble that once the carrier material is wet, the release of gas would be even slower.

Then we have a guy named David Cole who Interviewed Dr. Franciszek Piper who was the director of the Auschwitz State Museum. During that interview, Piper was asked why the residue count was high in the delousing chambers, but low in the homicidal chambers. He said the Zyklon B was operated a very short time, about 20 or 30 minutes during 24 hours, and in the disinfestation rooms it operated the whole day and night. Such was the procedure of using gas in the disinfestation rooms and gas chambers. That bespeaks one mass gassing per day. That contradicts eyewitness testimonies which speak of repeated homicidal gassings going on day and night. So, the question is: Could the high death rate at the camp have occured if the gas chambers were used only twenty or thirty minutes during 24 hours as Piper claims they were?

The New York Times published an article about a book by Jean-Claude Pressac. The book was written to refute revisionists. New York Times writer Richard Bernstein writes that according to Pressac, "it would have been necessary for the extermination rooms to have been emptied of corpses and refilled with new victims every half hour or so, as would have been necessary for such a large number of victims."

So, what we have here is a contradiction. It is claimed that limited use of the chambers explains the lack of residue. However, limited gassing contradicts eye-witnesses and makes the high gassing-death rate technically impossible. By attempting to support one part of the Holocaust story, Piper disproves another part.

Let's move on.

In a series of interviews with Shlomo Venezia, a survivor of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, Venezia said that the Sonderkommando units were comprised of Jews who cleaned up the gas chambers after a group of prisoners had been murdered. After its personnel dragged the corpses out of the chamber--as Venezia states, this in and of itself was an extremely disturbing process, as it was initially difficult to disentangle the bodies--the room had to be cleaned. All traces of blood and excrement had to be washed away in order to present a clean, sterile, and hence worry-free environment to the next batch of victims. After completing this task, the men of the Sonderkommando then moved through the corpses, clipping hair or pulling out gold teeth before disposing of the bodies in industrial furnaces. The expertise that the Germans acquired in carrying out mass murder was soon passed on to the men manning the Sonderkommando units.


However, Bill Armontrout, was an expert witness at the second Ernst Zundel trial in Toronto. He was warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, which includes an execution gas chamber. He said, "One of the things that cyanide gas does, it goes in the pores of your skin. You hose the body down, see. You have to use rubber gloves, and you hose the body down to decontaminate it before you do anything else."

In court, Armontrout testified to the safety precautions that were necessary to prevent those who handled the dead criminal's body from being poisoned by the deadly HCN themselves. He said, "The ventilation fan ran for approximately one hour before two officers equipped with Scott air-packs could open the hatch of the gas chamber and remove the lead bucket containing the cyanide residue. The two officers wore rubberized disposable clothing and long rubber gloves. They hosed down the condemned man's body in the chair, paying particular attention to the hair and the clothing because of the cyanide residue, then removed him and placed him on a gurney where further decontamination took place."

I trust I don't have to explain to you what this has to do with the story of the Sonderkommando units going in and handling bodies, clipping hair, etc. So you have a problem. If the Zyklon B was weak, and known to be slow in its release, then the mass-gassings could not have occurred as you have been taught. On the other hand, if the Zyklon B was adequate to the task, and quickly released (which it wasn't), then the testimony of surviving Sonderkommandos are easily shown to be fictitious.

You may start with rebuttals about right now.

Have a family member video you wearing a mask which only feeds you Zyklon but first name me as one of the beneficiaries on your life insurance policy.

 

[Briss]

Have a family member video you wearing a mask which only feeds you Zyklon but first name me as one of the beneficiaries on your life insurance policy.

No. That is not a rebuttal to anything I've posted. Try again.

 

[Indeependent]

No. That is not a rebuttal to anything I've posted. Try again.

I have to watch some videos on how to rebuttal a bucket full of lies.
The real issue that you are boring and you will be gone in a week or two.

 

[Briss]

The real issue that you are boring and . . .

No. The real issue is that you have no rebuttal to anything I've posted. As evidence of that fact so far, I have your failure to provide one. Try again.

 

[Indeependent]

No. The real issue is that you have no rebuttal to anything I've posted. As evidence of that fact so far, I have your failure to provide one. Try again.

Provide some Links to non-Arab and non-Aryan sites.
I’ll wait.

 

[Briss]

Provide some Links to non-Arab and non-Aryan sites.
I’ll wait.

What part of what I posted do you disagree with? Why don't you start there? Then we can debate the merits of my post.

 

[Indeependent]

What part of what I posted do you disagree with? Why don't you start there? Then we can debate the merits of my post.

I’m not a scientist.
Are you a scientist?
You did not provide a Link for the contents of your post.

 

[Briss]

I’m not a scientist.
Are you a scientist?
You did not provide a Link for the contents of your post.

Sorry, but my post stands until someone is able to rebut it. You have failed to address even one thing and will be ignored until you do.

 

[Indeependent]

Sorry, but my post stands until someone is able to rebut it. You have failed to address even one thing and will be ignored until you do.

I suggest you start a a thread that doesn’t require anything but your say so.
I expect that your Link, which I have Googled and it seems not to exist, was patched together by someone at their whim.

I do appreciate that you admitted you do not have the scientific credentials to address the issue.

 

[Ralph Norton]

What part of what I posted do you disagree with? Why don't you start there? Then we can debate the merits of my post.

Lack of source(s).

 

[Briss]

I suggest you start a a thread that doesn’t require anything but your say so.
I expect that your Link, which I have Googled and it seems not to exist, was patched together by someone at their whim.

I do appreciate that you admitted you do not have the scientific credentials to address the issue.

You don't believe that the physicians I've mentioned exist?

Really?

 

[Indeependent]

You don't believe that the physicians I've mentioned don't exist?

Really?

Concentration Camp physicians…kewl.

I am familiar with “expert testimony”.
One “expert” says A, one “expert” says B.

Where are the Links?

 

[Ralph Norton]

You don't believe that the physicians I've mentioned exist?

Really?

Not anymore.

 

[Briss]

Really?

Concentration Camp physicians…kewl.

I am familiar with “expert testimony”.
One “expert” says A, one “expert” says B.

Where are the Links?

There was a paper written in 1942 that discusses how fast hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the gypsum carrier pellets. The author, Richard Irmscher, was a researcher who worked at developing and improving zyklon-B. A chart taken from Irmscher's paper shows how fast the hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the zyklon-B. It shows that, in 5 minutes at 15 degrees celsius with the pellets spread out evenly as during delousing, 10% is released. Now, in a chamber packed with people, the temperature would have risen substantially, and the relative humidity would have been 100% in little time. The higher humidity would cause the condensation of moisture on the gypsum pellets. Hydrogen cyanide is so water soluble that once the carrier material is wet, the release of gas would be even slower.

Do you disagree with this?

 

[Indeependent]

Really?

There was a paper written in 1942 that discusses how fast hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the gypsum carrier pellets. The author, Richard Irmscher, was a researcher who worked at developing and improving zyklon-B. A chart taken from Irmscher's paper shows how fast the hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the zyklon-B. It shows that, in 5 minutes at 15 degrees celsius with the pellets spread out evenly as during delousing, 10% is released. Now, in a chamber packed with people, the temperature would have risen substantially, and the relative humidity would have been 100% in little time. The higher humidity would cause the condensation of moisture on the gypsum pellets. Hydrogen cyanide is so water soluble that once the carrier material is wet, the release of gas would be even slower.

Do you disagree with this?

Post the site from which you copied and pasted this.
This is a message board, I am not going to spend the next 7 days looking up every detail of the content for which you can neither supply a Link or from which site you copied it.
I’m guessing Rense.

 

[rupol2000]

Perhaps the Romanesque Christians did not like the Jews, but this is not the case with Judeo-Christianity of the modern type. Their sacred scripture is the Tanakh, and their gods are of Jewish nationality.

 

[rupol2000]

Ashkenazi Jews, although considered a variety of Jews, are actually German tribe. And it was the Germanic Goths who spread Jewish Christianity throughout Europe.

 

[surada]

Hitler ended up not expelling all the Jews from where he conquered because there was an Arab Muslim in Palestine who did not want Jews to come back to their homeland and rebuild their Nation.

Al Husseini did everything he could, riots, incitement in Palestine and Iraq in order to scare the Jews from coming.

It is up to us to teach it here, and the Holocaust Memorials and Museums and supporting all schools and colleges to teach them.

600,000 European Jews had already immigrated to Palestine before the mufti complained. The population doubled in 15 years.

 

[AsherN]

Perhaps the Romanesque Christians did not like the Jews, but this is not the case with Judeo-Christianity of the modern type. Their sacred scripture is the Tanakh, and their gods are of Jewish nationality.

Ashkenazi Jews, although considered a variety of Jews, are actually German tribe. And it was the Germanic Goths who spread Jewish Christianity throughout Europe.

WTF are you talking about?

it is still the case with Xtianity today. God has no nationality.

Ashkenazi Jews are Jews. Jews have migrated throughout Europe. And there is no sch thing as "Jewish Xtianity".

 

[rupol2000]

God has no nationality.

Christians believe in Jewish gods and prophets, which are taken from Jewish scripture. And the scripture itself is also mostly Jewish, the same as in judaism