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Free blacks bought their own families back when they could.
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History of blacks who owned slaves
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No there isn't any massive agenda...
Free blacks bought their own families back when they could.
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The white racist can't face the truth so he claims blacks are racists for stating it.
How Many Slaves Did Blacks Own?
So what do the actual numbers of black slave owners and their slaves tell us? In 1830, the year most carefully studied by Carter G. Woodson, about 13.7 percent (319,599) of the black population was free. Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people. In his essay, " 'The Known World' of Free Black Slaveholders," Thomas J. Pressly, using Woodson's statistics, calculated that 54 (or about 1 percent) of these black slave owners in 1830 owned between 20 and 84 slaves; 172 (about 4 percent) owned between 10 to 19 slaves; and 3,550 (about 94 percent) each owned between 1 and 9 slaves. Crucially, 42 percent owned just one slave.
Pressly also shows that the percentage of free black slave owners as the total number of free black heads of families was quite high in several states, namely 43 percent in South Carolina, 40 percent in Louisiana, 26 percent in Mississippi, 25 percent in Alabama and 20 percent in Georgia. So why did these free black people own these slaves?
It is reasonable to assume that the 42 percent of the free black slave owners who owned just one slave probably owned a family member to protect that person, as did many of the other black slave owners who owned only slightly larger numbers of slaves. As Woodson put it in 1924's Free Negro Owners of Slaves in the United States in 1830, "The census records show that the majority of the Negro owners of slaves were such from the point of view of philanthropy. In many instances the husband purchased the wife or vice versa … Slaves of Negroes were in some cases the children of a free father who had purchased his wife. If he did not thereafter emancipate the mother, as so many such husbands failed to do, his own children were born his slaves and were thus reported to the numerators."
Moreover, Woodson explains, "Benevolent Negroes often purchased slaves to make their lot easier by granting them their freedom for a nominal sum, or by permitting them to work it out on liberal terms." In other words, these black slave-owners, the clear majority, cleverly used the system of slavery to protect their loved ones.
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How Many Slaves Did Blacks Own?
So what do the actual numbers of black slave owners and their slaves tell us? In 1830, the year most carefully studied by Carter G. Woodson, about 13.7 percent (319,599) of the black population was free. Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people. In his essay, " 'The Known World' of Free Black Slaveholders," Thomas J. Pressly, using Woodson's statistics, calculated that 54 (or about 1 percent) of these black slave owners in 1830 owned between 20 and 84 slaves; 172 (about 4 percent) owned between 10 to 19 slaves; and 3,550 (about 94 percent) each owned between 1 and 9 slaves. Crucially, 42 percent owned just one slave.
Pressly also shows that the percentage of free black slave owners as the total number of free black heads of families was quite high in several states, namely 43 percent in South Carolina, 40 percent in Louisiana, 26 percent in Mississippi, 25 percent in Alabama and 20 percent in Georgia. So why did these free black people own these slaves?
It is reasonable to assume that the 42 percent of the free black slave owners who owned just one slave probably owned a family member to protect that person, as did many of the other black slave owners who owned only slightly larger numbers of slaves. As Woodson put it in 1924's Free Negro Owners of Slaves in the United States in 1830, "The census records show that the majority of the Negro owners of slaves were such from the point of view of philanthropy. In many instances the husband purchased the wife or vice versa … Slaves of Negroes were in some cases the children of a free father who had purchased his wife. If he did not thereafter emancipate the mother, as so many such husbands failed to do, his own children were born his slaves and were thus reported to the numerators."
Moreover, Woodson explains, "Benevolent Negroes often purchased slaves to make their lot easier by granting them their freedom for a nominal sum, or by permitting them to work it out on liberal terms." In other words, these black slave-owners, the clear majority, cleverly used the system of slavery to protect their loved ones.
Did Black People Own Slaves?
For those who are wondering about the retro title of this black history series, please take a moment to learn about historian Joel A. Rogers
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For the reader and thinker, an excellent history of the period is linked below. It will open your eyes to the reality of those times. Whites people are so easily played. Lack of education made Trump president.
'White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America' by Nancy Isenberg
White Trash
In her groundbreaking history of the class system in America, extending from colonial times to the present, Nancy Isenberg takes on our c...www.goodreads.com
"1930s-era Alabama sharecroppers, among the most viciously exploited groups of people in American history."
'Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump'
Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump
Sometimes statistical analysis is tricky, and sometimes a finding just jumps off the page. Here’s one example of the latter. I took a list of all 981 U.S. count…fivethirtyeight.com
Im about half way through "White Trash" its very educational if a little hard going at times.Its inconceivable that educated people could vote for Trump.
And yet they did, by the millions.
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Now while racists want to try making blacks totally responsible for slavery, the fact is that slavery was made legal by whites in various state governments and was legalized by whites in the federal government by making federal law.
At that time, slavery was practiced around the world, by virtually every national group. It was determined by who was stronger and could dominate the weaker, not by skin color.Now while racists want to try making blacks totally responsible for slavery, the fact is that slavery was made legal by whites in various state governments and was legalized by whites in the federal government by making federal law.
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Not exactly. In America it was determined by skin color.At that time, slavery was practiced around the world, by virtually every national group. It was determined by who was stronger and could dominate the weaker, not by skin color.Now while racists want to try making blacks totally responsible for slavery, the fact is that slavery was made legal by whites in various state governments and was legalized by whites in the federal government by making federal law.
Slaves were usually marked in some way so as to easily identify them. They would have tattoos or brands put on them, or as in the Bible, their ears pierced to signify their status. Skin color in the Americas became a marker, but at its core, slavery was far more about power than color. Think about it, do you actually think that, had Africans dominated the world at the time and colonized America, they would NOT have brought European slaves with them? That would strain credulity, because Africans at the time were no more adverse to the practice than were the Europeans. They were no more noble, no more altruistic, etc. They just weren't as powerful.Not exactly. In America it was determined by skin color.At that time, slavery was practiced around the world, by virtually every national group. It was determined by who was stronger and could dominate the weaker, not by skin color.Now while racists want to try making blacks totally responsible for slavery, the fact is that slavery was made legal by whites in various state governments and was legalized by whites in the federal government by making federal law.
Slavery is not "White man bad racist, enslave black man, must pay forever". It is, "Powerful tribe take weaker tribe's stuff, keep weaker tribe down and make them work".
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As Marxist Patrisse Khan-Cullors' project' continues to violently, racially divide the US and leaves the nation burning, as Marxist Critical Race Theory teaches our children to hate each other and our nation, as Leftist Extremists proclaim whites are 'evil' because over 100 years ago whites were slave owners, while Joe Biden falsely proclaim white supremacists / white supremacy is this nation's top threat, as racist Democrats declare the US / WHITES owe reparations to blacks who were never slaves / whose parents and grandparents were never slaves, as usual these violent, Marxist racial dividers intentionally omit / bury / avoid the extremely inconvenient truths about Slavery.
Many of the uneducated who have bought into the Marxist-based scam and stories parroted by racial dividers have and continue to declare there is a need to finally have open discussions about slavery....but they only want to discuss the history and origins and sides of slavery that benefit their own narratives and agendas.
- Want to have REAL, HONEST discussions about slavery? Then let's have REAL, HONEST discussions about slavery!
If Blacks want to find the original slavers, the ones who began the slave trade that spread all over the world - if they want to look into the faces of the people who pretty much started it all for blacks, they should start by picking up a MIRROR.
"Over several centuries countless East Africans were sold as slaves by Muslim Arabs to the Middle East and other places via the Sahara desert and Indian Ocean. Experts say it is time for this to be discussed more openly.
The island of Zanzibar is today considered one of East Africa's best destinations: white sandy beaches, crystal clear waters and hotels offer tourists from all over the world a holiday to remember.
Long forgotten is the dark past that overshadowed this sunny paradise 200 years ago. The archipelago, which today is a semi-autonomous part of Tanzania, was then regarded as the center of the East African slave trade."
Tribes in Africa raided other tribes and took slaves. These tribes also sold / traded African slaves to the Muslim Traders that came down from the north.
- So if blacks are looking for the source of the black slave trade, it was their own people - BLACKS!
"From Eastern Europe to North Africa
The sale of African slaves can be traced back to antiquity. It became popular in the seventh century when Islam was gaining strength in North Africa. This was seven centuries before Europeans explored the continent and ten centuries before West Africans were sold across the Atlantic to America."
BLACKS SOLD OTHER BLACKS INTO SLAVERY.
Colonists bought black slaves from Slavers who get slaves from Blacks in Africa.
Roots of slavery in Africa
"According to N'Diaye, slavery has existed in practically all civilizations. This was also the case in Africa before settlers came.
In central East Africa, ethnic groups such as the Yao, Makua and Marava were fighting against each other and entire peoples within the continent traded with people they had captured through wars. "Thus Arab Muslims encountered already existing structures, which facilitated the purchase of slaves for their purposes."
Where is the acceptance of responsibility of blacks for slavery beginning, being facilitated, by Blacks in Africa?!
THIS WAS 'SLAVERY' BLACK-ON-BLACK CRIME.
It wasn't WHITES proclaiming though beginning / engaging in this slave trade that 'Slavery' was 'acceptable' / ok - it was the Blacks running the slave trade, selling their fellow blacks for financial gain!
www.dw.com
And YES, BLACKS OWNED SLAVES, TOO.
"Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry were wealthy landowners in South Carolina’s Colleton District in the 1830s, in what is now Charleston County. The couple owned 84 slaves each for a total of 168, at a time when most of their peers owned a handful. Their slaves worked their plantation and made them rich. Angel and Horry also traded slaves for profit, showing no regard for dissolving slave families. They were no kinder or crueler to their slaves than anyone else. They were considered “slave magnates” because of the number of slaves they owned. They were referred to as the “economic elite.” They were also black."
"Black people owned black people in all 13 original colonies and in every state that allowed slavery. Frequently, freed black people would go on to own more slaves than their white neighbors. In 1830, nearly a fourth of the free black slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves, and several owned more than 30, far surpassing their white slave-owning neighbors."
HOW DID BLACK SLAVES MAKE IT TO THE COLONIES / AMERICA?
THEY WERE VICTIMS OF BLACK-ON-BLACK CRIME: THEY WERE SOLD AS SLAVES BY THEIR OWN FELLOW BLACKS.
Many of the uneducated who have bought into the Marxist-based scam and stories parroted by racial dividers have and continue to declare there is a need to finally have open discussions about slavery....but they only want to discuss the history and origins and sides of slavery that benefit their own narratives and agendas.
- Want to have REAL, HONEST discussions about slavery? Then let's have REAL, HONEST discussions about slavery!
If Blacks want to find the original slavers, the ones who began the slave trade that spread all over the world - if they want to look into the faces of the people who pretty much started it all for blacks, they should start by picking up a MIRROR.
"Over several centuries countless East Africans were sold as slaves by Muslim Arabs to the Middle East and other places via the Sahara desert and Indian Ocean. Experts say it is time for this to be discussed more openly.
The island of Zanzibar is today considered one of East Africa's best destinations: white sandy beaches, crystal clear waters and hotels offer tourists from all over the world a holiday to remember.
Long forgotten is the dark past that overshadowed this sunny paradise 200 years ago. The archipelago, which today is a semi-autonomous part of Tanzania, was then regarded as the center of the East African slave trade."
Tribes in Africa raided other tribes and took slaves. These tribes also sold / traded African slaves to the Muslim Traders that came down from the north.
- So if blacks are looking for the source of the black slave trade, it was their own people - BLACKS!
"From Eastern Europe to North Africa
The sale of African slaves can be traced back to antiquity. It became popular in the seventh century when Islam was gaining strength in North Africa. This was seven centuries before Europeans explored the continent and ten centuries before West Africans were sold across the Atlantic to America."
BLACKS SOLD OTHER BLACKS INTO SLAVERY.
Colonists bought black slaves from Slavers who get slaves from Blacks in Africa.
Roots of slavery in Africa
"According to N'Diaye, slavery has existed in practically all civilizations. This was also the case in Africa before settlers came.
In central East Africa, ethnic groups such as the Yao, Makua and Marava were fighting against each other and entire peoples within the continent traded with people they had captured through wars. "Thus Arab Muslims encountered already existing structures, which facilitated the purchase of slaves for their purposes."
Where is the acceptance of responsibility of blacks for slavery beginning, being facilitated, by Blacks in Africa?!
THIS WAS 'SLAVERY' BLACK-ON-BLACK CRIME.
It wasn't WHITES proclaiming though beginning / engaging in this slave trade that 'Slavery' was 'acceptable' / ok - it was the Blacks running the slave trade, selling their fellow blacks for financial gain!
East Africa's forgotten slave trade – DW – 08/22/2019
Over several centuries countless East Africans were sold as slaves by Muslim Arabs to the Middle East and other places via the Sahara desert and Indian Ocean. Experts say it is time for this to be discussed more openly.
www.dw.com
And YES, BLACKS OWNED SLAVES, TOO.
"Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry were wealthy landowners in South Carolina’s Colleton District in the 1830s, in what is now Charleston County. The couple owned 84 slaves each for a total of 168, at a time when most of their peers owned a handful. Their slaves worked their plantation and made them rich. Angel and Horry also traded slaves for profit, showing no regard for dissolving slave families. They were no kinder or crueler to their slaves than anyone else. They were considered “slave magnates” because of the number of slaves they owned. They were referred to as the “economic elite.” They were also black."
"Black people owned black people in all 13 original colonies and in every state that allowed slavery. Frequently, freed black people would go on to own more slaves than their white neighbors. In 1830, nearly a fourth of the free black slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves, and several owned more than 30, far surpassing their white slave-owning neighbors."
HOW DID BLACK SLAVES MAKE IT TO THE COLONIES / AMERICA?
THEY WERE VICTIMS OF BLACK-ON-BLACK CRIME: THEY WERE SOLD AS SLAVES BY THEIR OWN FELLOW BLACKS.
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Then tell your propaganda parrot pals to speak the truth and stop blaming whitey.I see these dickhead posts regularly. Another one is that blacks sold blacks into slavery. I just wonder what the point is. It comes across as a childs argument. "Dont blame us because YOU were doing it as well."
There is no great truth being uncovered here.
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There have always been white slaves, but that doesn't fit the template.Slaves were usually marked in some way so as to easily identify them. They would have tattoos or brands put on them, or as in the Bible, their ears pierced to signify their status. Skin color in the Americas became a marker, but at its core, slavery was far more about power than color. Think about it, do you actually think that, had Africans dominated the world at the time and colonized America, they would NOT have brought European slaves with them? That would strain credulity, because Africans at the time were no more adverse to the practice than were the Europeans. They were no more noble, no more altruistic, etc. They just weren't as powerful.Not exactly. In America it was determined by skin color.At that time, slavery was practiced around the world, by virtually every national group. It was determined by who was stronger and could dominate the weaker, not by skin color.Now while racists want to try making blacks totally responsible for slavery, the fact is that slavery was made legal by whites in various state governments and was legalized by whites in the federal government by making federal law.
Slavery is not "White man bad racist, enslave black man, must pay forever". It is, "Powerful tribe take weaker tribe's stuff, keep weaker tribe down and make them work".
easyt65
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Instead of looking to how they can better themselves and succeed in the future most look back / around to see who they can blame for being 'victims'. If they are 'victims', for the most part they are the 'victims' primarily of their own historic & present choices.
Then tell your propaganda parrot pals to speak the truth and stop blaming whitey.I see these dickhead posts regularly. Another one is that blacks sold blacks into slavery. I just wonder what the point is. It comes across as a childs argument. "Dont blame us because YOU were doing it as well."
There is no great truth being uncovered here.
There is a lot of competition for victim status.. Even Trump gets in on the game.. He has claimed for 40 years that the system is rigged against him and he's treated unfairly.
Never mind that top tier lawyers won't touch him and neither will US banks.
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There is a lot of competition for victim status.. Even Trump gets in on the game.. He has claimed for 40 years that the system is rigged against him and he's treated unfairly.
It was proven that the US Intel Agencies, the CIA, and FBI was weaponized against President Trump, that the former President of the United States took over Hillary's plan, collaborated with the Russian Intel Service through Trump-hating foreign ex-spies working for both Barry's FBI and Russians, that the CIA and FBI illegally and un-Constitutionally committed FISA Court Fraud and illegally spied on Americans, Trump, and his team.
Turns out, like in regards to many of the Lefting Extremist / Democrat / Fake News Media / Snowflake lies that have been debunked, Trump was right.
Leftists CLAIM to be 'victims' while engaging in treasonous, illegal, Un-Constitutional acts that actually DOES victimize others.
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Slavery ended in 1863. This is what you racist tell me. From 1863 until 1965 the nation had some laws and policies that denied blacks equality. Blacks did not make those laws and Africans did not either. Your stories about blacks owning and selling slaves is disingenuous. The story about whites slaves is pretty much untrue. So why is it that you racists can't discuss the years after slavery when all whites did was change the way they practiced racism?
It was proven that the US Intel Agencies, the CIA, and FBI was weaponized against President Trump, that the former President of the United States took over Hillary's plan, collaborated with the Russian Intel Service through Trump-hating foreign ex-spies working for both Barry's FBI and Russians, that the CIA and FBI illegally and un-Constitutionally committed FISA Court Fraud and illegally spied on Americans, Trump, and his team.
Turns out, like in regards to many of the Lefting Extremist / Democrat / Fake News Media / Snowflake lies that have been debunked, Trump was right.
Leftists CLAIM to be 'victims' while engaging in treasonous, illegal, Un-Constitutional acts that actually DOES victimize others.
Nope. Its never been proven at all. Trump did it to himself because he never shuts up. He's a bully and not very bright. He exploits people and then turns on them. Everybody he has ever worked with despises him.
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None of that happened.It was proven that the US Intel Agencies, the CIA, and FBI was weaponized against President Trump, that the former President of the United States took over Hillary's plan, collaborated with the Russian Intel Service through Trump-hating foreign ex-spies working for both Barry's FBI and Russians, that the CIA and FBI illegally and un-Constitutionally committed FISA Court Fraud and illegally spied on Americans, Trump, and his team.
Turns out, like in regards to many of the Lefting Extremist / Democrat / Fake News Media / Snowflake lies that have been debunked, Trump was right.
Leftists CLAIM to be 'victims' while engaging in treasonous, illegal, Un-Constitutional acts that actually DOES victimize others.
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All of it is true. But the deep state protects itself. Only Clinesmith was prosecuted. The deep state went after multiple people associated with Trump as a warning to any outsider don't even think about running or getting approval buy us first.Nope. Its never been proven at all. Trump did it to himself because he never shuts up. He's a bully and not very bright. He exploits people and then turns on them. Everybody he has ever with despises him.
All of it is true. But the deep state protects itself. Only Clinesmith was prosecuted. The deep state went after multiple people associated with Trump as a warning to any outsider don't even think about running or getting approval buy us first.
"Deep State" is between Trump's ears. Its his excuse for failure. They have been after his for 45 years.
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"Deep State" is between Trump's ears. Its his excuse for failure. They have been after his for 45 years.
Warrants to Spy on Trump Campaign Lacked Probable Cause, DOJ Admits
Warrants to Spy on Trump Campaign Lacked Probable Cause, DOJ Admits
Two of the FBI’s four applications for warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to spy on a Trump campaign adviser lacked probable cause and should not have been issued in the first place. That’s the stunning admission by the Justice Department, contained in a recent court filing...
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Two of four FISA warrants against Carter Page declared invalid
Two of four FISA warrants against Carter Page declared invalid
The Justice Department has declared invalid two of the four surveillance warrants against former Trump campaign associate Carter Page, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court said Thursday.
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F.B.I. Apologizes to Court for Botching Surveillance of Trump Adviser, and Pledges Fixes
F.B.I. Apologizes to Court for Botching Surveillance of Trump Adviser, and Pledges Fixes (Published 2020)
In a rare public filing, the bureau said it would extend wiretap changes to other tools for collecting data on suspected spies and terrorists.
Team Obama spied on Trump officials and tried to conceal it.
Opinion | Susan Rice’s Mysterious Email
Team Obama spied on Trump officials and tried to conceal it.
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Warrants to Spy on Trump Campaign Lacked Probable Cause, DOJ Admits
Warrants to Spy on Trump Campaign Lacked Probable Cause, DOJ Admits
Two of the FBI’s four applications for warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to spy on a Trump campaign adviser lacked probable cause and should not have been issued in the first place. That’s the stunning admission by the Justice Department, contained in a recent court filing...
Two of four FISA warrants against Carter Page declared invalid
Two of four FISA warrants against Carter Page declared invalid
The Justice Department has declared invalid two of the four surveillance warrants against former Trump campaign associate Carter Page, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court said Thursday.
F.B.I. Apologizes to Court for Botching Surveillance of Trump Adviser, and Pledges Fixes
F.B.I. Apologizes to Court for Botching Surveillance of Trump Adviser, and Pledges Fixes (Published 2020)
In a rare public filing, the bureau said it would extend wiretap changes to other tools for collecting data on suspected spies and terrorists.www.nytimes.com
Team Obama spied on Trump officials and tried to conceal it.
Opinion | Susan Rice’s Mysterious Email
Team Obama spied on Trump officials and tried to conceal it.
If you or I called the Russian embassy frequently we would be red flagged. The US has been monitoring Soviet/Russian embassies all over the world for more than 60 years.
Two of the FBI’s four applications for warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to spy on a Trump campaign adviser lacked probable cause and should not have been issued in the first place.
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