Historical imperative in the mind of Mohamed Hassanein Heikal

[yahia]

The United large live to remember, or rather they remember to live Mohammed Hassanein Heikal



The inevitable historical political old philosophical doctrine to say that the historical incidents have a reasonable elements which are related to each other. Even if each of the known link to other elements possible to predict or produce. And the inevitable historical philosophers are divided into two parts: first, ensure the absolute historical inevitability, which means that all of history there, spoke as the laws of history will occur beyond the control of human beings, and to separate the human and emotional, not an active and influential and that human freedom does not exist. The second says that history is obtained in accordance with the laws of history, not against them, can not violate them. But these laws do not make any historical event before he inevitably inevitable, but if there are humanitarian force capable of achieving.

The idea was launched by the Marxist belief in historical materialism, and this material are history, all its changes and developments in the law of historical inevitability of conflict contradictions in the things, which in motion towards the development of production in the relations of production that govern all things, and thus make the revolution Change a necessity dictated by the things in the objective conditions required by the conflict, says a Marxist theorists: The revolution in historical material is a necessary component of class conflict when this dispute shall perforce to a political struggle aimed at seizing the machinery of government to disarm vanguard of the dominant Society means the body harnesses for their own purposes

We ask in books and articles Professor Mohammed Hassanein Heikal historical determinism and faith evident in his book highlights a new visit to the date where he says in the introduction to the book (It is true that history repeats itself to the different conditions of the people, nations and conditions, but is not it true that there are laws of history. And that these laws work If its elements and agents gathered called such provisions?!
"The Karl Marx" was drafted on the right while making his famous: "The history does not repeat itself, if it did the first time in the great tragedy, the second time in the comedy funny," but it is also right to distinguish between the return of the last impossible and the laws History is real

How we find say in the introduction to his book and armies as well as al-Explode conflict in Palestine (United large live to remember, or rather they remember to live because death is forgotten or so degrees, while the memory state of alert and vigilance of the return of awareness may be a prelude to "may turn to faith And then act to do if he could arrange for an appointment with the same mind and will close on or effective as long as the Zionist project across the century: half lived with promise and the other half with a promise) note through the paragraph that Mohamed Hassanien structure does not make it The inevitable historical reason for inaction and inertia and autism and justify failure Abjectness but Idjaly to browse and read history impetus to the advancement and innovation, not to repeat mistakes makes him a safety valve in the future, where he says elsewhere in the same book (I think this was always to look back not with the past behind, but Is the need for traffic safety as much as they do any car driver wants the same safety

It is out of the way they want it fast. It appears from the window of his car on what the offer extended to the eyes but also and at the same time surrounded by mirrors reflecting back and sideways at the site of its outstanding demands, a view not to lose sight of the way before his eyes, but at the same time mirrors behind to overcome stages of the road

And without a window in front overlooking what is coming and without notes, reflecting mirrors Mavat Vgn drive into the risk of travel) and find the chapters of a new book, visit a reflection of the history of this idea strictly as this book, published in 1977 and then re-released in 1997 without Izafp change in a vivid example of reading history, where after ten years of re-deployment and control in 2007 coincided with a proposal for the Arab States knew the Arab peace initiative, which dates back to the page of the book exactly the final chapter, which speaks to the perceptions of the Israeli peace among which is that Israel Is not ready to give up on the ground, Jerusalem is outside any discussion and the West Bank are either for the full annexation of some parts or without consolidation of absolute control for other parts of the same for the Golan Heights, also found that says Israel is not ready to accept an independent Palestinian state on any part of the land Palestine and the greatest possible access is politically in the West Bank and Gaza Strip is a kind of self-management and there is no reason why the full annexation to Israel's desire to retain the purity of the Jewish State of Israel on the one hand and the difficulty of unloading the West Bank and Gaza Strip from the early inhabitants on the other, simply because A quick reading of these perceptions and other Kaltvouk permanent Israeli military can judge the Arab initiative, as will be any peace process failed on this road will not bring any result and the reality today is truly the analysis over thirty years and in the whole book is almost devoid of readings with the The reality today is confirmed by the evidence

Mohamed Hassanien as we read the historic structure in the wars Iqdamaa across the Arab Al-Jazeera in its structure, which could call it a new visit to the date Mrpokry developed for trying to find indications since the events and link them Balhazer an attempt to establish a vision of security for our nation, Fumi also added some of the factors that help Understand the new changes Ttra in every age, where he says the first link in the war Allsopps (I was constantly say that the geography and history are critical elements in making history but .. States are constants in the making of history in the making major events, but the variables, the first variable Is the realization of the true natures of the times that are here do not change geographically situated in the accumulation of history, can not play it because it has effects and true to its continuing but the past which can not be manipulated has its role in the accounts and become a recognized. Remain two variables In two constants in the two variables, the first element is the nature of the variables and the mood of any era of history, natural conditions prevailing in the era influence the decision makers, geography, history, but the constants in the first variables like what I say, the mood of the times long time, because What remains one of the Cold War era, for example, between two great this climate, what is acting under private superpower alone this climate of another, to be acting in an era when the spread position of power and stretched like the next era will see which areas open era toxicity This is also some of the area, but the international climate and changing times internationally. Violin, of course, affect the quality of weapons in the resolution)

This was an attempt to read the concept of historical inevitability in the mind of Mohamed Hassanein Heikal

 

[Diuretic]

Historical materialsm/dialectical materialsm is a deterministic view of history but importantly it's only predictive in the sense of saying, if these are the social conditions surrounding the means of production in society then this is what will happen. But Marx did say that that needn't be the case, hence his and Engels views of the progression towards socialism and the famous withering away of the state. Change the means of production - from capitalism to socialism - and you change all social relations and can beging to progress from exploitation to to the real meaning of humanity.

Is Heikal a Marxist? I haven't read about him.

 

[editec]

the concept that there are Historical imperitives is nonsense.

Even human nature changes with time and place an circumstance.

One of the conceits of some historians is to think that people born at times different than ours thought about their world in the same way we do.

That's complete nonsense.

So, given that even moment is unique, and given that not even human nature remains constant (because people born in different eras see the world and their place in it so very differently) thinking that one can predict outcomes because of some basic rules about how mankind works is delusional.

I apologise for I not addressing Mohammed Hassanein Heikal's points, but honestly?

I'm not sure I really understood what I read.

I think he agrees with me, but I'm not really sure.

 

[Diuretic]

It's a re-hash of Hegel.

I do - for what it's worth - accept the idea that Hegel put forward and Marx (who studied under Hegal) adapted about the thesis/antithesis/synthesis idea. I think that Marx extended it (with help from Engels) to try and apply it more broadly then Hegel intended. Marx's great idea was historical (or dialectical, borrowing from Hegal) materialism. Critique it if you wish but Marx was right about social conditions being determined by who owns the means of production. Human progress - following Hegel - requires that forward movement. The synthesis must be the new thesis. But when those in power find the synthesis benefits the they'll stop the progress move towards a new thesis. Hence the conservatives. It suits them, they fight change because they benefit. They have to be fought because those who own privilege won't give it up.

 

[yahia]

First thanks for the responses
The structure is not a Marxist, but Marx was saying it was linked with the object and Otun you understand Osotm
Not all necessarily be both talked about Marx is a Marxist if I talked about Hitler Did You will tell me I am a Nazi
But add to clarify the issue of new know where Mohamed Hassanien structure

As my friend These are Maysndha scientific theory of history and not in your knowledge that in the analysis of the realist school of international relations based on a history Terttbt with the historical imperative therefore has no right that you described Bahera
The structure tell us not to recognize the full history of reading history, but to improve the future
For example, American occupation of Iraq is that the history of foreign occupation Nhiph failure and Vietnam are not too is a form of historical inevitability

 

[editec]

First thanks for the responses
The structure is not a Marxist, but Marx was saying it was linked with the object and Otun you understand Osotm
Not all necessarily be both talked about Marx is a Marxist if I talked about Hitler Did You will tell me I am a Nazi
But add to clarify the issue of new know where Mohamed Hassanien structure

As my friend These are Maysndha scientific theory of history and not in your knowledge that in the analysis of the realist school of international relations based on a history Terttbt with the historical imperative therefore has no right that you described Bahera
The structure tell us not to recognize the full history of reading history, but to improve the future
For example, American occupation of Iraq is that the history of foreign occupation Nhiph failure and Vietnam are not too is a form of historical inevitability

Huh?

 

[Diuretic]

Things have to be seen in a cultural context?

 

[editec]

Things have to be seen in a cultural context?

I'd settle for things being written coherently using terms that are known to the world, frankly.

 

[yahia]

I think that the scientific theory of historical inevitability Maiwkdha integrated with the reality of international and local interest, however, is the study of history we study history to learn from the lessons
Another example History saying to us that when a State has more force than the whole State will seek to impose its hegemony and control over other countries and Iguetsadsa politically, militarily and culturally, the actions of the Roman Empire and the United States of America Matvolh now
Otherwise, what's the point of the study of history is Nhzvh Altallaym programs and say that the world is constantly changing and we will not benefit from the study last as long as the future permanent mobility P I agree with you that the world is changing in a dynamic and ongoing but that does not mean total separation between the past and Almstqub and a rupture between the contrary The mobility of the world derived result Antothir last example, France was trying to return to the past when the global empire before the Second World War with Britain and Russia also driven past Alsofiati Yes is now adopts socialist ideology and here lies the movement and change, but wants an international force to impede competition for America to avoid the mistakes of the past This is the heart of the historical imperative

 

[editec]

"Alsofiati" ?

What does that word mean?

 

[Skull Pilot]

English is obviously not this guy's first language

Another example History saying to us that when a State has more force than the whole State will seek to impose its hegemony and control over other countries and Iguetsadsa politically, militarily and culturally, the actions of the Roman Empire and the United States of America Matvolh now

Is that even a sentence?

 

[yahia]

I'm sorry because I do not write English well
I count on the automatic translation

Alsofiati"= soviet union

 

[midcan5]

Is history inevitable, is that the question? Hardly. Consider if a better man than Bush were president during these complex times, or remove Hitler or FDR from the time and place they rose to power. And history is always viewed from the present, we go back and pick and choose the events and actions that help us explain the present. Consider too the growth of knowledge in science and in the political structure, the idea of the individual in America greatly affects the way we operate in the world.

Interesting that you use a translator, most of that reads like gibberish.

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Mohamed Hassanein Heikal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[editec]

I'm sorry because I do not write English well
I count on the automatic translation

Alsofiati"= soviet union

Okay, I see.

Damn! I wish I spoke Farsi, yahia.

I suspect that the topic you're seeking to discuss with us is one I'd love to have discussion about.

But sadly much of what your translator is putting out makes like zero sense.

 

[Diuretic]

I'm sorry because I do not write English well
I count on the automatic translation

Alsofiati"= soviet union

I don't have a problem with that. It's okay with me to see something from a very different perspective. I just need to be able to keep up

 

[yahia]

Another example of the historical imperative that the gap between the growing reach of American interests and the ability to protect why accompanied the evolution defined as all empires Trameia its borders and interests to the extent that it has to protect these borders or interests is a burden made the first session of the Imperial Receding

If we look at the American Empire, we will find that this is based on the difference between the Stretch and the ability to protect Bdilalh delivered to the United States has inherited the old colonial empires State, then expand the scope of their interests it is much difficult to control these interests within the political and economic expenses, however, and this mountain Matjly in the American war on Afghanistan and Iraq

 

[editec]

There is no American historical imperative.

There is just history.

When people like Engels and Marx suggest that history will unfold in a certain way because the grand forces in human events make history act according to specific rules of cause and effect, they are flat out wrong.

Chaos theory shows us that such theories are simply nonsense.

The combined effect of every action in the world (even if we could know them and understand them all) is simply beyond fathoming.

One cannot predict the effect from a cause with any degree of certainty in social sciences.

And the further out from any cause event one moves, the less accurate your effect predictions are apt to become.

We do not live in a mechanistic universe.

If we did we could predict the weather with 100% certainty.

We can no more predict our history than we can predict where an electron will be a macrosecond from now.

 

[Diuretic]

They were right, Marx and Engels I mean. So was Marx's teacher, Hegel, to a degree at least.

But they weren't proposing a grand unified theory of history, well I don't think they were anyway, I will be corrected on that. My understanding, which as I say could be terribly flawed, was that human progress depended on who owned the means of production.

And if you look back they had a point. Hegel had the thesis/synthesis/antithesis idea which I think from memory he might have borrowed from Aristotle but Marx and Engels made it contemporary (for them). They looked back at how the prevailing economic system drove a society and its social changes and figured that was the key. They borrowed, again I think, from the early socialists - St Simon and Owen in particular - and developed their own view of where humanity would and should go.

If you think about history and look at how economics have driven it then it does make sense.

Chuck in a bit of Kuhnian paradigm shift theory and have a look around and it looks like we might be in for an economic paradigm shift. If we move away from laissez-faire capitalism to a more socialistic model, as appears to be happening now and we don't regress, given the failure of the free and unregulated market model then we could be making another forward move in the Hegelian process.

Maybe.

 

[editec]

They were right, Marx and Engels I mean. So was Marx's teacher, Hegel, to a degree at least.

But they weren't proposing a grand unified theory of history, well I don't think they were anyway, I will be corrected on that. My understanding, which as I say could be terribly flawed, was that human progress depended on who owned the means of production.

They believed that the action of individuals were irrelevant to history, and that had one person (take Luther for example) never been born, somebody else would have accomplished the same Reformation outcome.

They believed that the economics of present day mankind was preordained by the economic of the previous day.

They believed, for example, that monarchism was inevitable, and that nationalism was inevitable, and that the overturning of monarchism was inevitable, and that the rise of industrialized nation states, will inevitably lead to the proletariet revolution, socialism, and eventually communism.

I am of the opinion that all that inevitability theory is sheer nonsense.

I just don't think that even truly grand forces in effect today will inevitably lead us to outcomes that we can predict.

If you think about history and look at how economics have driven it then it does make sense.

What does make sense is that cause and effect exists, but not that one can know cause to predict effect.

There are just too make variables, but even if there weren't so many possible outcomes all interacting in ways that make prediction impossible, even predicting one effect from one cause is damned near impossible.

I will say this again...we cannot predict so much as the location of a single electron not even if we KNEW the location and speed of that electron.

Choas rules, folks.

That's at least part of the reason I laugh at the conceit of people who claim that they are self-made men. They imagine that all their hard work was the sole reason they are where they are today, as though they were mini-gods who had that kind of control over their universes.

Believers may seem foolish to many of you, (I know we often to to me, too) but they know one thing, that science is only now just proving to itself...

We cannot KNOW what tomorrow will bring.

Putting that more metaphorically:

If you want to make the gods laugh, tell them your plans.

 

[Diuretic]

Bugger.

I have to go back and read them again.

Big ask. I'm still reading vol 1 of Capital. But I will go back and do the Collected Works thing.

Bugger it.