There is historical precedent for trump's attempts at retribution.

[struth]

Witnesses testify in front of grand juries to corroborate the evidence being presented.

Sure some do they come in a make their accusations

Witnesses are evidence

Indictments aren’t

 

[berg80]

Who disputed the veracity of what was presented to the grand jury?

That's what a trial is for. Do you not understand how the system works?

 

[berg80]

Dozens of witnesses have testified as the Jan. 6-focused grand jury probes Trump​

Dozens of witnesses have testified as the Jan. 6-focused grand jury probes Trump

Jack Smith’s expansive special counsel investigation has looked broadly at efforts to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[struth]

Dozens of witnesses have testified as the Jan. 6-focused grand jury probes Trump​

Dozens of witnesses have testified as the Jan. 6-focused grand jury probes Trump

Jack Smith’s expansive special counsel investigation has looked broadly at efforts to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

www.nbcnews.com

Sadly, we never got to hear from any of them, cause Jack smith was illegally appointed and had to dismiss the accusations because the poltical prosecution is moot at this point

 

[Concerned American]

See post #79.

Ignorant. Again, no one from the defense questions the veracity of anything presented to a grand jury. It does not determine guilt. It's sole purpose is to determine whether or not they THINK the sought-after charge has probable cause to proceed to trial.

 

[struth]

That's what a trial is for. Do you not understand how the system works?

We do, you apparently don’t, since you think mere accusations are evidence

I’m so glad America rejected your demfacism

 

[berg80]

Sure some do they come in a make their accusations

Witnesses are evidence

Indictments aren’t

Indictments are a recitation of the evidence shown to grand juries.

From AI.......

Evidence presented to a grand jury can include:

• Witness testimony: Witnesses must appear in person and give sworn testimony.
  
  
• Documents: The government attorney or other party can present documents to the grand jury.
  
  
• Exhibits: Physical evidence can be presented to the grand jury.
  
  
• Testimony from the person under investigation: In some cases, the person the government is investigating may also testify.
  
  

The prosecutor, or a United States Attorney, is responsible for presenting evidence to the grand jury. The prosecutor also advises the grand jury on which witnesses to call and which documents to examine. The grand jury can request additional witnesses if they believe it's necessary.


The grand jury's role is to determine if there is enough evidence to believe that a crime was committed and that the defendant should be tried. If the grand jury decides there is enough evidence, they will issue an indictment against the defendant.

 

[struth]

Indictments are a recitation of the evidence shown to grand juries.

From AI.......

Evidence presented to a grand jury can include:

• Witness testimony: Witnesses must appear in person and give sworn testimony.
  
• Documents: The government attorney or other party can present documents to the grand jury.
  
• Exhibits: Physical evidence can be presented to the grand jury.
  
• Testimony from the person under investigation: In some cases, the person the government is investigating may also testify.
  

The prosecutor, or a United States Attorney, is responsible for presenting evidence to the grand jury. The prosecutor also advises the grand jury on which witnesses to call and which documents to examine. The grand jury can request additional witnesses if they believe it's necessary.


The grand jury's role is to determine if there is enough evidence to believe that a crime was committed and that the defendant should be tried. If the grand jury decides there is enough evidence, they will issue an indictment against the defendant.

Indictments are accusations, they aren’t evidence

 

[Concerned American]

Indictments are a recitation of the evidence shown to grand juries.

From AI.......

Evidence presented to a grand jury can include:

• Witness testimony: Witnesses must appear in person and give sworn testimony.
  
• Documents: The government attorney or other party can present documents to the grand jury.
  
• Exhibits: Physical evidence can be presented to the grand jury.
  
• Testimony from the person under investigation: In some cases, the person the government is investigating may also testify.
  

The prosecutor, or a United States Attorney, is responsible for presenting evidence to the grand jury. The prosecutor also advises the grand jury on which witnesses to call and which documents to examine. The grand jury can request additional witnesses if they believe it's necessary.


The grand jury's role is to determine if there is enough evidence to believe that a crime was committed and that the defendant should be tried. If the grand jury decides there is enough evidence, they will issue an indictment against the defendant.

Grand jury proceedings are nothing more than prosecutors presenting their version of a fairy tale with NO ONE to dispute what they present. Meh. They hold no power beyond presenting an indictment/ACCUSATION. SMFH

 

[Rawley]

Indictments by disparate grand juries based on the evidence is not proof of anything except the justice system working as it was always intended to work.

Dude. With even a little, tiny, teensy bit of honesty you might be able to claw back a modicum of integrity.

Grand juries did not arrest him four times and bring charges to put him in jail for the rest of his life. It was your party. If you really think this is the way our system should work, you need to sit back and STFU whatever Trump does in the next four years. Because it will not hold a candle to what your cult has done.

 

[Hellokitty]

Trump Threatens Mark Zuckerberg with "life in prison"

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/31/politics/video/smr-trump-zuckerberg

Do you regard threats like these as idle?

 

[wamose]

Fairness says that those who tried to defame and bankrupt Trump should now get that same treatment. But Democrats have fucked this country (and the world) up so bad that Trump won't have any time to for all that evil shit the Democrats put on him. He'll be spending his time fixing the border, the economy, the military, our trade inequities, government waste, the media, the education system and our standing in the world. But knowing Trumpy, he'll probably have that pretty well under control after his first year. Get ready for the best Presidency of your lifetime. MAGA

 

[berg80]

Again, no one from the defense questions the veracity of anything presented to a grand jury.

Then what are the accusations directed at Garland and Smith of a weaponized DoJ all about? You know, since the defense isn't doubting the evidence the case would have been based on.

 

[berg80]

Fairness says that those who tried to defame and bankrupt Trump should now get that same treatment.

Mischaracterizations of trump's prosecutions are apparently without end.

 

[struth]

Then what are the accusations directed at Garland and Smith of a weaponized DoJ all about? You know, since the defense isn't doubting the evidence the case would have been based on.

What evidence??

 

[wamose]

Mischaracterizations of trump's prosecutions are apparently without end.

All those charges have been dropped so it looks like what you're calling prosecutions are actually more like persecutions. They were never about anything more than influencing the election.

 

[Crepitus]

So you're admitting that Trump has reasons for wanting retribution.

 

[Contumacious]

View attachment 1048436

US Constitution Article II Section 3



Finally, and most significantly, Section 3 contains the Faithful Execution Clause, commonly known as the Take Care Clause. The Take Care Clause is arguably a major source of presidential power because it invests the office with broad Law enforcement authority in order to make sure “that the Laws be faithfully executed"

Faithful Execution and Article II - Harvard Law Review

Article II of the U.S. Constitution twice imposes a duty of faithful execution on the President, who must “take Care that the Laws be...

harvardlawreview.org

 

[Crepitus]

US Constitution Article II Section 3



Finally, and most significantly, Section 3 contains the Faithful Execution Clause, commonly known as the Take Care Clause. The Take Care Clause is arguably a major source of presidential power because it invests the office with broad Law enforcement authority in order to make sure “that the Laws be faithfully executed"

Faithful Execution and Article II - Harvard Law Review

Article II of the U.S. Constitution twice imposes a duty of faithful execution on the President, who must “take Care that the Laws be...

harvardlawreview.org

Oh, so you're saying Joe should be executing the 14th amendment clause.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Regarding Jack Smith, the Crazy in the House has announced they will open an investigation in to Smith's prosecution of trump. So Don is getting someone else to do his dirty work. They will scrutinize every piece of paper they get their hands on for some tidbit they can blow way out of proportion like the communications between Strzok and Page. The ones the IG said had no bearing on the fairness of the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane investigation. https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
The goal being to discredit Smith and the investigators (like they tried to do with Mueller and his team) since there is no hope of refuting the damning evidence against the soon to be Felon-in-Chief.

As to why I do not discount the possibility trump would tell Gaetz to prosecute a perceived enemy, there is historical precedent.

Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton

WASHINGTON — President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation.
The lawyer, Donald F. McGahn II, rebuffed the president, saying that he had no authority to order a prosecution. Mr. McGahn said that while he could request an investigation, that too could prompt accusations of abuse of power. To underscore his point, Mr. McGahn had White House lawyers write a memo for Mr. Trump warning that if he asked law enforcement to investigate his rivals, he could face a range of consequences, including possible impeachment.
Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton (Published 2018)

There will be no Don McGahn's in his admin this time around. He will be completely unrestrained, as he was when he named ass clowns Hegseth, Noem, Zeldin, Gabbard, RFK, and Gaetz to his cabinet.

BTW, even though it would be a grotesque abuse of power to do so, ordering those types of prosecutions (for what exactly?) might be a good thing. Cuz they'll force the few rational Repubs left to acknowledge what we've been warning about for quite a long time. And the result will be exoneration of those who are charged. Further exposing trump for the vindictive sack of shyte he is.

They will scrutinize every piece of paper they get their hands on for some tidbit they can blow way out of proportion

Sounds a lot like what democrats have been doing for the last 9 years.

As far as the rest of it, you can spin it any way you want, the left practiced the game of going after their political opponents for 9 years, now when the shoe is on the other foot, democrats are all up in arms about it.

Years ago I posted here about how one day, the lefts antics would come back around to bite them in the ass, what goes around comes around. Well, here we are. The left HAD to have known this was coming.


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