Here is a matter I'm sure we can all agree on.

[berg80]

Internal DOJ messages bolster claim that Trump judicial nominee spoke of defying court orders​

A fired Justice Department attorney has provided Congress with a trove of emails and text messages to corroborate his claims that a controversial Trump judicial nominee — top DOJ official Emil Bove — crudely discussed defying court orders.

The newly-released messages reinforce claims by whistleblower Erez Reuveni that Bove played a key role in a decision by Trump administration immigration officials to turn scores of Venezuelan immigrants over to El Salvador’s government despite a U.S. judge’s order not to do so.

The messages show increasing alarm among Justice Department lawyers that the administration had in fact defied court orders and that some officials — including a prominent DOJ lawyer brought on by the Trump administration — could face sanctions for misleading the courts.

Bove has said that he never advised anyone to violate court orders. DOJ and the Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/emil-bove-whistleblower-documents-00446225

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...ni-batch-1-index-and-evidence-redacted-final/

There is documentary evidence substantiating Reuveni's accusations against Bove. He did what Reuveni claimed he did. He told DoJ attorneys to ignore court orders.

Here is what we should all be able to agree on. Bove has disqualified himself from consideration as an appellate court judge. We obviously can't have judges sitting on the federal bench who directed DoJ subordinates to ignore court orders.

 

[Polishprince]

If a court is overstepping its authority, why should they be obeyed?

If , theoretically, an Obama appointed leftard judge in Cali or DC , ordered the reinstatement of Jim Crow laws, would President Trump be obligated to enforce it?

Or an antisemitic judgment would order building of death camps?

Judges are LIMITED in their authority, and this is just recognition of that fact.

 

[JohnDB]

Apparently nobody agrees on this.

OP is dreaming.

 

[berg80]

If a court is overstepping its authority, why should they be obeyed?

Because whether a court has overstepped its authority or not there is a legal procedure for challenging the order. That procedure does not include a DoJ official instructing lower level employees to ignore a court order before the matter has been adjudicated in order to advance an executive policy.

 

[pknopp]

If some can ignore laws and the courts, all can. Free Luigi.

 

[berg80]

Apparently nobody agrees on this.

OP is dreaming.

Bove, while under oath, in response to questions about the directive he gave to DoJ lawyers claims he does not recall saying what he said. Yet there is documentary evidence proving he said it.

 

[berg80]

This shouldn't be hard. Why can't trumples admit Bove's name should be withdrawn from consideration?

 

[Polishprince]

Bove, while under oath, in response to questions about the directive he gave to DoJ lawyers claims he does not recall saying what he said. Yet there is documentary evidence proving he said it.

Only proves that someone wrote down what they thought he said.

Need testimony from the scribe in question under oath before you can jump to that conclusion.

 

[martybegan]

Because whether a court has overstepped its authority or not there is a legal procedure for challenging the order. That procedure does not include a DoJ official instructing lower level employees to ignore a court order before the matter has been adjudicated in order to advance an executive policy.

And that takes time, and the time taken is exactly why these hacks in black pretend they have authority that exceeds their bounds.

Also they know punishing them for bad behavior is virtually impossible.

 

[jknowgood]

This shouldn't be hard. Why can't trumples admit Bove's name should be withdrawn from consideration?

Kinda like when Biden ignored the supreme courts decision on student loans?

 

[Seth]

Internal DOJ messages bolster claim that Trump judicial nominee spoke of defying court orders​

Appreciate the source links — this looks serious. Reuveni is a known whistleblower with a documented track record, and if the messages really show Bove advising subordinates to defy a court order, that’s a disqualifier for the bench. That said, until the full contents of those emails are verified independently, I’d be careful about assuming intent from summaries alone. If it's as reported, though — yeah, hard to see how a nominee shrugs that off.

 

[justoffal]

Internal DOJ messages bolster claim that Trump judicial nominee spoke of defying court orders​

A fired Justice Department attorney has provided Congress with a trove of emails and text messages to corroborate his claims that a controversial Trump judicial nominee — top DOJ official Emil Bove — crudely discussed defying court orders.

The newly-released messages reinforce claims by whistleblower Erez Reuveni that Bove played a key role in a decision by Trump administration immigration officials to turn scores of Venezuelan immigrants over to El Salvador’s government despite a U.S. judge’s order not to do so.

The messages show increasing alarm among Justice Department lawyers that the administration had in fact defied court orders and that some officials — including a prominent DOJ lawyer brought on by the Trump administration — could face sanctions for misleading the courts.

Bove has said that he never advised anyone to violate court orders. DOJ and the Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/emil-bove-whistleblower-documents-00446225

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...ni-batch-1-index-and-evidence-redacted-final/

There is documentary evidence substantiating Reuveni's accusations against Bove. He did what Reuveni claimed he did. He told DoJ attorneys to ignore court orders.

Here is what we should all be able to agree on. Bove has disqualified himself from consideration as an appellate court judge. We obviously can't have judges sitting on the federal bench who directed DoJ subordinates to ignore court orders.

Oh please.... United States presidential history is replete with thousands of pages of presidents ignoring the courts even the supreme Court.

Have they restart your Play-Doh rights yet in kindergarten?

 

[Seth]

If a court is overstepping its authority, why should they be obeyed?

If , theoretically, an Obama appointed leftard judge in Cali or DC , ordered the reinstatement of Jim Crow laws, would President Trump be obligated to enforce it?

Or an antisemitic judgment would order building of death camps?

Judges are LIMITED in their authority, and this is just recognition of that fact.

Fair point — judges have limits. But if a court oversteps, the answer isn’t to ignore the ruling like it’s optional homework. You challenge it through appeals or a stay. Letting executive officials decide which orders to obey turns law into a choose-your-own-adventure — and that’s how things fall apart fast. We have courts to avoid Wild West justice with a badge.

 

[pknopp]

Fair point — judges have limits. But if a court oversteps, the answer isn’t to ignore the ruling like it’s optional homework. You challenge it through appeals or a stay. Letting executive officials decide which orders to obey turns law into a choose-your-own-adventure — and that’s how things fall apart fast. We have courts to avoid Wild West justice with a badge.

Anything you ignore your guy doing will only get worse with the next.

 

[justoffal]

Fair point — judges have limits. But if a court oversteps, the answer isn’t to ignore the ruling like it’s optional homework. You challenge it through appeals or a stay. Letting executive officials decide which orders to obey turns law into a choose-your-own-adventure — and that’s how things fall apart fast. We have courts to avoid Wild West justice with a badge.

Considering the fact that the judiciary has become the wild West I think it sets off a power struggle that will find its own balance once the judges find their own limits. Expecting the executive branch to follow the tedious, time consuming and purposely circuitous route of the appeals process is nothing more than denying the executive branch it's due.
There is such a thing as judicial overreach and we have been treated to a ringside seat of the most spectacular wave of judicial overreach in the history of the nation. That overreach just does just as much damage as an executive branch that ignores the courts.

 

[justoffal]

Anything you ignore your guy doing will only get worse with the next.

I don't think you read the post.... Unlike me he's advocating for the executive branch to obey the judicial branch.... Myself? I think the judiciary has become co-opted by a bunch of bad actors and vigilantes. The executive branch is well within its right to simply ignore illegal rulings from such a rogue court system.

 

[j-mac]

Kinda like when Biden ignored the supreme courts decision on student loans?

What? How dare you…..That was righteous….lol

 

[berg80]

Only proves that someone wrote down what they thought he said.

Need testimony from the scribe in question under oath before you can jump to that conclusion.

The pertinent evidence Reuveni gave to the Judiciary Comm. is in the form of text messages.

 

[j-mac]

Anything you ignore your guy doing will only get worse with the next.

I’ve said that for years to you, only to have you ignore the warning…Too late Pknopp, it’s already in action by you people.

 

[berg80]

Kinda like when Biden ignored the supreme courts decision on student loans?

Do you have any comments to make other than a specious false equivalence?