I recall being suspicious of this at the time.

[OODA_Loop]

It's odd you think the facts presented in the indictments are Smith's opinions.

Its odd that you think an indictment is not an accusation based on what the Prosecution thinks happened based on what they believe are facts......an opinion.

If your astute legal rational was correct we wouldn't have courts. Just indictments.

Was the Leticia James indictment factual or a summation based on opinion ?

 

[berg80]

Its odd that you think an indictment is not an accusation based on what the Prosecution thinks happened based on what they believe are facts......an opinion.

If your astute legal rational was correct we wouldn't have courts. Just indictments.

Was the Leticia James indictment factual or a summation based on opinion ?

On March 30, 2022, the Federal Bureau of Investigation ( FBI ) opened a criminal investigation into the unlawful retention of classified documents at The Mar-a-Lago Club. A federal grand jury investigation began the next month. The grand jury issued a subpoena requiring TRUMP to turnover all documents with classification markings. TRUMP endeavored to obstruct the FBI and grand jury investigations and conceal his continued retention of classified documents by, among other things:

a. suggesting that his attorney falsely represent to the FBI and grand jury that TRUMP did not have documents called for by the grand jury subpoena;

b. directing defendant WALTINE NAUTA to move boxes of documents to conceal them from TRUMP's attorney, the FBI, and the grand jury;

c. suggesting that his attorney hide or destroy documents called for by the grand jury subpoena;

d. providing to the FBI and grand jury just some of the documents called for by the grand jury subpoena, while claiming that he was cooperating fully;

e. and causing a certification to be submitted to the FBI and grand jury falsely representing that all documents called for by the grand jury subpoena had been produced while knowing that, in fact, not all such documents had been produced.

Fact, not opinion.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Fact, not opinion.

Never made it to the trier of facts. Lots of purported evidence in indictments is thrown out or proven not credible upon close legal scrutiny.

In law, a trier of fact or finder of fact is a person or group who determines disputed issues of fact in a legal proceeding and how relevant they are to deciding its outcome. To determine a fact is to decide, from the evidence presented, whether something existed or some event occurred.

Trier of fact - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[berg80]

Lots of purported evidence in indictments is thrown out or proven not credible upon close legal scrutiny.

We aren't talking about hypothetical cases. We are talking about this one.

True or false. trump refused to comply with a subpoena for the return of classified docs in his possession?

 

[OODA_Loop]

True or false. trump refused to comply with a subpoena for the return of classified docs in his possession?

He complied with return and the FBI subsequently had a search warrant. The indictment went nowhere.



The National Archives said it had been working with representatives of Donald Trump since 2021 on the return of records the former president took from the White House to his Florida home.

It retrieved 15 boxes of materials from Mar-a-Lago in mid-January. After finding at least 100 documents with classified information among them, it told the Justice Department.

The Justice Department issued a subpoena in May and retrieved more documents from Trump in June. It later sought a search warrant, which FBI agents carried out on Aug. 8, retrieving 25 more boxes of documents, some of which carried the highest levels of classification.

 

[OODA_Loop]

We aren't talking about hypothetical cases. We are talking about this one.

Are the "facts" alleged in this indictment of Leticia James factual?

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2025/10/1.pdf

 

[sartre play]

Most everything is politically motivated. Almost no one wants the truth.
EVER WONDER WHY?

 

[berg80]

He complied with return

Factually incorrect.

the FBI subsequently had a search warrant. The indictment went nowhere.

A search warrant was issued to reclaim the unreturned docs.

The charges were dismissed because of the prohibition against trying a sitting prez. Saying the indictment "went nowhere" is at best disingenuous. But you already knew that.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Factually incorrect.

A search warrant was issued to reclaim the unreturned docs.

The charges were dismissed because of the prohibition against trying a sitting prez. Saying the indictment "went nowhere" is at best disingenuous. But you already knew that.

Where did the indictment go?

So you claim keeping classified docs was within the purview of the official duties of a sitting president and he was exempt?

Then there really was no case from the outset.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Where did the indictment go?

So you claim keeping classified docs was within the purview of the official duties of a sitting president and he was exempt?

Then there really was no case from the outset.

Trump wasn't sitting president.

But Biden was.

The best way to embarrass you guys is just to let you talk.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Trump wasn't sitting president.

But Biden was.

The best way to embarrass you guys is just to let you talk.

Ah. Then he was subject to prosecution.

Why wasn't it pursued?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ah. Then he was subject to prosecution.

Yes Trump was. And he was prosecuted.

Fat **** had to run for president to stay out of prison.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Yes Trump was. And he was prosecuted.

Fat **** had to run for president to stay out of prison.

But not convicted.

I am not certain being elected President absolves of you of criminal acts committed when you weren't President.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But not convicted.

Right, I'm aware of the bar you have to set for your fat rapist charity thief. And if he had been convicted, you would claim the conviction is fake.

That's cultism for ya.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Right, I'm aware of the bar you have to set for your fat rapist charity thief. And if he had been convicted, you would claim the conviction is fake.

That's cultism for ya.

So your astute legal arguments are reduced to this ?

 

[kyzr]

But not convicted.
I am not certain being elected President absolves of you of criminal acts committed when you weren't President.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So your astute legal arguments are reduced to this ?

Yes, the cultist who didn't want a trial (because he knew his Daddy would lose) is very concerned with legal arguments.

Haha. Your acting is middle school play-grade.

 

[BluesLegend]

Neither could the Biden Crime Family...or his cabinet...

Just assume all Democrats are criminals, it's likely to be near 90% true.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I am not certain being elected President absolves of you of criminal acts committed when you weren't President.

Which wasn't anyone's point, but you feel like you haven't pleased daddy, if you haven't been embarrassingly dishonest for him at least once a day.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Yes, the cultist who didn't want a trial (because he knew his Daddy would lose) is very concerned with legal arguments.

Haha. Your acting is middle school play-grade.

As you stated up thread Biden's DOJ was in charge at the time.

Why not pursue a criminal to the end?

I know you don't have an answer.