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Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God
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I could understand come cynicism regarding the actual SAINT NICHOLAS STORY---
especially the flying sleigh----but I like the fantasy
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not God verses:
John 5:30 I can of my own self do, nothing.
John 14:12 The works I do, you can do, and greater
John 16:23 You shall ask me for nothing
John 16:26 I do not say that I will pray to the Father for you
John 5:3I If I bear witness about myself, my witness is false
Luke 12:14 Who made me judge or divider over you ?
God in another person tense:
MARK12:26 And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?
Here the character Jesus is writen to be talking in verse 24-26 about how G-d said to him not saying 'I said to him' clearly a distinction that G-d is another person refering to him as another.
JOHN 9:35
In the KJV, the verse reads thus:
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?"
All of the earliest codices and papyri, however, read thus:
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, Do you believe in the Son of man?"
While the first reading is supported by the majority of manuscripts after the fifth century, the latter reading is supported by all of the second through fourth century manuscripts of John's gospel, including the oldest extant papyri, P75 and P66, as well as the earliest codices, including Aleph, B, D, W, and other witnesses.
In Greek, `heis' means `one' numerically (masc.) `hen' means `one' in unity or essence (neut.)
Jesus Himself Claimed To Be God John 8:58 (Exodus 3:14)
which is punishable by a cursed death which he did receive. (Ezekiel 28:9-10)
Numbers 23:19.The Hebrew reads:lo ish el vichazev u-vein-adam v'yitnechamGod is not a man, nor will he lie, nor is he mortal, nor will he relent.
Jesus was a mere man who lied and who relented.
A man is dying of cancer he prays to Jesus,he pledges money to the church and to evangelists who pray for him, he acts in a manner of good concious, and yet he still dies quickly...this happens hundereds of times then suddenly one person actually survives, the same percentage as always with or without saying Beetle Juice. The Followers make a big deal calling it a miracle, is this honestly the truth?Where are all the ones who are in Christian grave yards who aren't saved? Are they ever talked about?Then If a man is drunk off his rocker face down on a curb he says to the curb if I can turn my life around please I will be a better person...suddenly his hitting rock bottom causes him to self realize and change his life, so does he claim the Curb was his salvation and does he start wearing a cement block of a curb around his neck or more Ironic a Jack hammer the enemy of the curb around his neck and then worship cement trucks and pray in the house of the National remodelers association?No? Then why the double standard?It's empty promises warned about in Psalms, promises of rewards and Jesus in scripture saying:Matthew 21:2121 And all things, whatsoever you ask in prayer, believing, you shall receive.(Nobody gets all they ask in prayer, as promised by Jesus.) John 16: 23, "23 And in that day you will ask Me no question. TRULY, TRULY, I say to you, if you ask the Father for ANYTHING, He will give it to you in My name." (Jesus promises that all that is needed is his name, and anything is possible, is that like saying beetle juice three times?) Hint: look around at the Christian hospitals and Christian patients in them and the grave yards..now explain them please?A Lie is a lie no matter what your perception is, it doesn't change the facts.
Matthew 11:25 which reads; "At that time Jesus said, Ipraise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hiddenthese things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to littlechildren."In the above scripture, Jesus uses the pronoun "you" two differenttimes in speaking directly to His Father. The pronoun "you" denotes"second person". Thus, the grammatical construction of Matthew 11:25clearly shows Jesus referring to His Father in the second person
When Did any of the charactwrs used to make the compiled Jesus image ever put their stamp of approval on the Gospels?
Remember these were written 25-90 years after the later figures teaching and then changed and added to admittingly by the clergy themselves.
If Jesus was God as your trying to convey then why would he chose the Jews as his CHOSEN people knowing they would refuse him?
Thus he can't be the all knowing God who knows ahead of time the history of man.
For if I know all, see all, and know the outcome a head of time, then would I pick a bunch of ship deck hands who I forsaw would make me walk the plank or would I hire a crew I saw feeding me grapes and catering to my every whim?Think about that.
:"We would stone you for blasphemy, because you, though you are a man, are making yourself God"
John 10:33
Paul Crouch: "He [God] doesn't even draw a distinction between Himself and us. . . . You know what else that's settled, then, tonight? This hue and cry and controversy that has been spawned by the Devil to try and bring dissension within the body of Christ that we are gods. I am a little god! . . . I have His name. I'm one with Him. I'm in covenant relation. I am a little god! Critics, be gone!" "Praise the Lord" program on TBN [7 July 1986]
Benny Hinn(7) We are 'little gods' and even part of God with all the power of God; and (8) We are 'little messiahs,' everything that Jesus ever was."
Wasn't Satan to be born a bastard son? Wasn't he to be born in a vile place? didn't he have 12 people seated with him and 1/3 of the heavens defected and followed him.......
Just a coincidence?
***A man was regarded as dead when excommunicated. being raised from the dead was being released from excommunication.
The Greeks had their Aesculapius who is depicted on a piece of sculpture which has come down to us from ancient Greece healing a woman who touched the hem of his garment. The author of Matthew's gospel may well have known this popular story regarding an healer's garment and placed it into his account of a woman touching the hem of Jesus' garment (Matthew chapter 9 verse 20).
We should use extreme care before putting the stamp of God's authorship on the books of the New Testament considering the fact that so many sayings, miracles and teachings are now being seen by Church scholars as inventions and forgeries.
'Bloodline of the Holy Grail' written by Laurence Gardner
simon theroy
The image Jesus supposedly taught when he said 'the Father is greaterthan I am' (John 14:28).
Scriptures state that Jesus has One who is his God, so how can he be God?
Revelation 3:12
JESUS' last words on the cross were "My God my God why hast thou forsaken me?" If he was God then was he talking to himself? Or better yet I thought he died for our sins but that doesn�t sound like some sacrifice willingly. Answer to why he would speak in such a manner can be found in Ezekiel.
Why Jesus Died:
He died because of our sins, not for them and because it was warned to all people who would stake claim to being the creator in this passage:
Ezekiel 28:9-10
Will you say before him that slays you, "I am G-d"? but you are a man, and no god, in the hand of him who slays you. You shall die the deaths of the uncircumcised, by the hand of Gentiles: for I have spoken it!
Ironically, the crucifixion that followed was the indeed the "death of the uncircumcised" a punishment issued by Romans and typically reserved only for their enemies.
that's why JESUS' last words hanging on the tree were "My God my God why hast thou forsaken me?"
John 5:30 I can of my own self do, nothing.
John 14:12 The works I do, you can do, and greater
John 16:23 You shall ask me for nothing
John 16:26 I do not say that I will pray to the Father for you
John 5:3I If I bear witness about myself, my witness is false
Luke 12:14 Who made me judge or divider over you ?
God in another person tense:
MARK12:26 And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?
Here the character Jesus is writen to be talking in verse 24-26 about how G-d said to him not saying 'I said to him' clearly a distinction that G-d is another person refering to him as another.
JOHN 9:35
In the KJV, the verse reads thus:
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?"
All of the earliest codices and papyri, however, read thus:
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, Do you believe in the Son of man?"
While the first reading is supported by the majority of manuscripts after the fifth century, the latter reading is supported by all of the second through fourth century manuscripts of John's gospel, including the oldest extant papyri, P75 and P66, as well as the earliest codices, including Aleph, B, D, W, and other witnesses.
In Greek, `heis' means `one' numerically (masc.) `hen' means `one' in unity or essence (neut.)
Jesus Himself Claimed To Be God John 8:58 (Exodus 3:14)
which is punishable by a cursed death which he did receive. (Ezekiel 28:9-10)
Numbers 23:19.The Hebrew reads:lo ish el vichazev u-vein-adam v'yitnechamGod is not a man, nor will he lie, nor is he mortal, nor will he relent.
Jesus was a mere man who lied and who relented.
A man is dying of cancer he prays to Jesus,he pledges money to the church and to evangelists who pray for him, he acts in a manner of good concious, and yet he still dies quickly...this happens hundereds of times then suddenly one person actually survives, the same percentage as always with or without saying Beetle Juice. The Followers make a big deal calling it a miracle, is this honestly the truth?Where are all the ones who are in Christian grave yards who aren't saved? Are they ever talked about?Then If a man is drunk off his rocker face down on a curb he says to the curb if I can turn my life around please I will be a better person...suddenly his hitting rock bottom causes him to self realize and change his life, so does he claim the Curb was his salvation and does he start wearing a cement block of a curb around his neck or more Ironic a Jack hammer the enemy of the curb around his neck and then worship cement trucks and pray in the house of the National remodelers association?No? Then why the double standard?It's empty promises warned about in Psalms, promises of rewards and Jesus in scripture saying:Matthew 21:2121 And all things, whatsoever you ask in prayer, believing, you shall receive.(Nobody gets all they ask in prayer, as promised by Jesus.) John 16: 23, "23 And in that day you will ask Me no question. TRULY, TRULY, I say to you, if you ask the Father for ANYTHING, He will give it to you in My name." (Jesus promises that all that is needed is his name, and anything is possible, is that like saying beetle juice three times?) Hint: look around at the Christian hospitals and Christian patients in them and the grave yards..now explain them please?A Lie is a lie no matter what your perception is, it doesn't change the facts.
Matthew 11:25 which reads; "At that time Jesus said, Ipraise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hiddenthese things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to littlechildren."In the above scripture, Jesus uses the pronoun "you" two differenttimes in speaking directly to His Father. The pronoun "you" denotes"second person". Thus, the grammatical construction of Matthew 11:25clearly shows Jesus referring to His Father in the second person
When Did any of the charactwrs used to make the compiled Jesus image ever put their stamp of approval on the Gospels?
Remember these were written 25-90 years after the later figures teaching and then changed and added to admittingly by the clergy themselves.
If Jesus was God as your trying to convey then why would he chose the Jews as his CHOSEN people knowing they would refuse him?
Thus he can't be the all knowing God who knows ahead of time the history of man.
For if I know all, see all, and know the outcome a head of time, then would I pick a bunch of ship deck hands who I forsaw would make me walk the plank or would I hire a crew I saw feeding me grapes and catering to my every whim?Think about that.
:"We would stone you for blasphemy, because you, though you are a man, are making yourself God"
John 10:33
Paul Crouch: "He [God] doesn't even draw a distinction between Himself and us. . . . You know what else that's settled, then, tonight? This hue and cry and controversy that has been spawned by the Devil to try and bring dissension within the body of Christ that we are gods. I am a little god! . . . I have His name. I'm one with Him. I'm in covenant relation. I am a little god! Critics, be gone!" "Praise the Lord" program on TBN [7 July 1986]
Benny Hinn(7) We are 'little gods' and even part of God with all the power of God; and (8) We are 'little messiahs,' everything that Jesus ever was."
Wasn't Satan to be born a bastard son? Wasn't he to be born in a vile place? didn't he have 12 people seated with him and 1/3 of the heavens defected and followed him.......
Just a coincidence?
***A man was regarded as dead when excommunicated. being raised from the dead was being released from excommunication.
The Greeks had their Aesculapius who is depicted on a piece of sculpture which has come down to us from ancient Greece healing a woman who touched the hem of his garment. The author of Matthew's gospel may well have known this popular story regarding an healer's garment and placed it into his account of a woman touching the hem of Jesus' garment (Matthew chapter 9 verse 20).
We should use extreme care before putting the stamp of God's authorship on the books of the New Testament considering the fact that so many sayings, miracles and teachings are now being seen by Church scholars as inventions and forgeries.
'Bloodline of the Holy Grail' written by Laurence Gardner
simon theroy
The image Jesus supposedly taught when he said 'the Father is greaterthan I am' (John 14:28).
Scriptures state that Jesus has One who is his God, so how can he be God?
Revelation 3:12
JESUS' last words on the cross were "My God my God why hast thou forsaken me?" If he was God then was he talking to himself? Or better yet I thought he died for our sins but that doesn�t sound like some sacrifice willingly. Answer to why he would speak in such a manner can be found in Ezekiel.
Why Jesus Died:
He died because of our sins, not for them and because it was warned to all people who would stake claim to being the creator in this passage:
Ezekiel 28:9-10
Will you say before him that slays you, "I am G-d"? but you are a man, and no god, in the hand of him who slays you. You shall die the deaths of the uncircumcised, by the hand of Gentiles: for I have spoken it!
Ironically, the crucifixion that followed was the indeed the "death of the uncircumcised" a punishment issued by Romans and typically reserved only for their enemies.
that's why JESUS' last words hanging on the tree were "My God my God why hast thou forsaken me?"
Pagan cultures like the Greeks the Romans Epyptians etc etc and many others before them taught men as Gods… If the writers of the New Testament had been honest they would have written warning labels on the cover of their gospel stating the ill effects of believing a man depicted as god would lead to what we have today in our culture but alas they didn’t…After all when one is given medication today for example there are warning signs of side effects that one may get while swallowing said medicine… People still take the medicine knowing this because they hope for a cure.. There can be no cure by believing and swallowing such tall tales as presented between the covers of the New Testament esp the nonsense depicting Jesus as Gd the father unless you want to accept the fact he committed incest with his mother in order to be born if we are to swallow the lies hook line and stinker…Among other glaring issues to say the least…
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jesus never claimed to be - a god - a jew - or a messiah ...
they choose liberation theology, self determination and judgement for admission to the everlasting as the true beginning and humanities goal than judaism's serpent in the garden, moses.
they choose liberation theology, self determination and judgement for admission to the everlasting as the true beginning and humanities goal than judaism's serpent in the garden, moses.
Jesus refused to wash his hands
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their hands were were always clean ...
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- abraham, hereditary idolatry are after the beginning and insignificant ... clearly a major concern for the 1st century events and the liberation theology of that time.
Yah quite sneaky of the scribes or writers of the New Testament to put that passage in … Jesus is claimed to be the word or logos therefore the writers of the New Testament placed their logos or word Jesus before the Jewish scriptures or Old Testament when they put the scriptures together on the right side before the passages that mention Abraham…Then they claimed that in that passage.. It is slick and sneaky but for those that can see through their tricks and deceptions they cannot fool us… Therefore we are not fools for Christ… Sort of like going to see a magician show and the majority does not know how he does it and are taken in but the few who are in the know or are smart enough to figure things out are not fooled at all…
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The Unbelief of the Jews
…33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” 34 Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken
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The Sheep and the Goats
…34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me
…34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me
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well they wouldn't pay taxes (tithes) to the keepers of a head Priest, it had to be a god they were offering to, the Baal offering scam repurposed. Most of the revolts was over the taxes to Rome as much as the subversion. You don't see revolts to taxes to Rome in the US or Latin America as long as it's to their god, but tell them to pay it to an Israeli Rabbi and watch the Antisemitism come out the woodwork, for real.
-common sense 101
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What Defiles a Man
…17“Do you not yet realize that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then is eliminated? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander
…17“Do you not yet realize that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then is eliminated? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander
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The Borders of the Land
…20And on the west side, the Great Sea will be the boundary up to a point opposite Lebo-hamath. This will be the western boundary. 21You are to divide this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners who dwell among you and who have children. You are to treat them as native-born Israelites; along with you, they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.
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According to your new findings, how many cases of Israeli rape were there in 1948?
“About a dozen. In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg.”
According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948?
“Twenty-four. In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field – they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village – she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved
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There is a Santa in a parallel universe, I think
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Paying Taxes to Caesar
…23But Jesus saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24“Show Me a denarius. Whose image and inscription are on it?” “Caesar’s,” they answered. 25So Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
John 8:58
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
In this verse Jesus is telling the Jews that before Abraham was even born into this life that he was the Great I AM. Jesus is claiming that he is the God of the Old Testament. For this reason they picked up stones to stone him. Jesus is claiming that he is the very God of the Jews.
The term I Am used here in the Greek is identical with the Septuagint usage in Ex. 3:14 which identifies Jehovah. (See also John 4:26.) TG Jesus Christ, Jehovah.
Exodus 3:14
Old Testament
14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
John 4:26
New Testament
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
Jesus Christ, Jehovah
- See also God the Father, Jehovah; Jesus Christ, Creator; Jesus Christ, Lord
- Lord God made the earth and the heavens, Gen. 2:4.
- began men to call upon the name of the Lord, Gen. 4:26.
- Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh, Gen. 22:14.
- I am the Lord God of Abraham, Gen. 28:13 (Ex. 3:6).
- God said … I Am That I Am, Ex. 3:14 (John 8:58; D&C 29:1; 38:1; 39:1).
- by my name Jehovah was I not known, Ex. 6:3.
- sing praises to his name … Jah, Ps. 68:4.
- thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, Ps. 83:18.
- Lord … cometh to judge the earth, Ps. 96:13.
- I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, Isa. 6:1 (2 Ne. 16:1).
- Lord Jehovah is my strength, Isa. 12:2 (26:4; 2 Ne. 22:2).
- I the Lord, the first, and with the last, Isa. 41:4.
- Lord, and thy redeemer, the Holy One, Isa. 41:14 (43:14; 44:6; 49:26; 54:5; 60:16; Hosea 13:4; 2 Ne. 11:2).
- Lord; and beside me there is no saviour, Isa. 43:11 (45:21).
- Israel shall be saved in the Lord, Isa. 45:17.
- Lord, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea, Jonah 1:9.
- Lord, am thy Savior … the Mighty One of Jacob, 1 Ne. 21:26 (22:12).
- Lord Omnipotent … shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, Mosiah 3:5 (5:2, 15).
- Jehovah, the Eternal Judge, Moro. 10:34.
- Joseph Smith … has covenanted with Jehovah … Mighty God of Jacob, D&C 109:68.
- the voice of Jehovah, saying, D&C 110:3.
- according to the decrees of the great Jehovah, D&C 128:9.
- my name is Jehovah, Abr. 1:16 (2:8).
- See also Isa. 63:8; John 1:1; 4:26; 1 Cor. 10:4; 1 Tim. 3:16; Rev. 1:4; 21:6; 1 Ne. 19:10; 20:12; 2 Ne. 6:17; 3 Ne. 11:14; 15:5; D&C 19:10; 36:1; 93:8.
Jesus is Jehovah the God of the Old and New Testament.
No too bright are you.. I just finished showing someone else how sneaky the writers of the New Testament are and now you have just confirmed it with this passage which isa ripoff of Psalm 82:6 but with a sneaky twist showing they did not understand Hebrew concepts and or they obviously were not Jews who wrote that If one reads the passage in Hebrew or better yet go to tehillim and read it Chabad online because your scriptures are tainted by constantly changing the words and meanings…The correct word is not gods but angels… Angels in the original Hebrew Scriptures just meant a man with a message… They were certainly not supernatural beings and they certainly were not g-d…Unbelief indeed try passing off your snake oil to someone you can fool… This is the main reason we need a rebuilt temple as a platform so we can teach and remove these crazy nonsensical ideas that have corrupted the original concepts and bring light which is truth and knowledge into a world grossly lacking it and living in darkness which are lies and folly…
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