Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

[Alter2Ego]

The Father himself is speaking in Hebrews 1 and says in verse 8 that Jesus, His Son, is to be called God as well. Now, Colossians 2:9 makes sense. "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Verse 8 then says not to follow the philosophy and vain deceit after the traditions of men. This means to only follow prophets and apostles who teach through the spirit of God and not the secular non-prophets of the Unitarians like Jehovah Witnesses and their non-prophet so called scholars.

Cougarbear:

In addition, you've got it twisted by claiming the verse is saying the Father (Jehovah) says Jesus is to be caledl "God" with capital G. That's not what that verse is saying at all. Hebrews 1:8 is a quotation within a quotation that actually says the Father (Jehovah) is Jesus' God.

You are reading from Trinitarian Bible translation where the translators went to great pains to twist scripture.


Alter2Ego

 

[Cougarbear]

Cougarbear:

All of the angels are referred to as gods. And that's "god" with lower case g. So what's your point?


Alter2Ego

Nice try. No, they are not. And this God is not smaller case words anyway.

 

[Cougarbear]

Cougarbear:

In addition, you've got it twisted by claiming the verse is saying the Father (Jehovah) says Jesus is to be caledl "God" with capital G. That's not what that verse is saying at all. Hebrews 1:8 is a quotation within a quotation that actually says the Father (Jehovah) is Jesus' God.

You are reading from Trinitarian Bible translation where the translators went to great pains to twist scripture.


Alter2Ego

Again, JWs are confused with their faulty translations. No, it’s the Father calling Jesus God. Lear as day.

 

[Eman623]

Jesus isn't God.

The throne is God - a metaphor meaning God is the source of Jesus' kingship.

 

[Cougarbear]

Jesus isn't God.

The throne is God - a metaphor meaning God is the source of Jesus' kingship.

Making stuff up. Adding and subtracting stuff to the written word of God. If you are Protestant, you know you are going to hell for doing that

 

[hobelim]

Cougarbear:

All of the angels are referred to as gods. And that's "god" with lower case g.

In Hebrew the word for gods is Elohim but the same word also means judges. So when Jesus said,"Isn't it written in your own law that "you are gods" to whom the Word of God (the law) was delivered? So how can you accuse me of blasphemy because I said I am Gods son?", a relational metaphor for the awaited messiah in Deuteronomy 18:18, who would "reveal "all of MY commands"? Then he said, "Don't believe because I said so, believe the evidence of my deeds." - Jesus had already done what no other man but the Son of God, the messiah, could do.

That being said, in this context Elohim means judges. The act of God in giving the Law to the Jewish people made them judges of the law, not gods. In the same way the act of God revealing the hidden meaning of the Law to Jesus made him the Son of God. It was actually a brilliant defense argument against the charge of blasphemy.

There is only one living God who has no equal and there is no other God in existence either above or below him.

 

[kjw47]

Matthew 28:

Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,and teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the world.”

Everything one does for Gods will is done in Gods name. Everything Jesus does is his Fathers will, as is the HS. Its all being done for the Fathers will. He is with the true followers not the false ones. He only has 1 religion, there are hundreds claiming to be his.

 

[Eman623]

Making stuff up. Adding and subtracting stuff to the written word of God. If you are Protestant, you know you are going to hell for doing that

Good thing I'm not a Protestant then!

If you examine the original Greek, the is meaning clear. It doesn't say (in Greek), " 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever". It's more like, 'Your throne, God, is forever and ever". In other words, God is the throne on which Jesus sits.

Hebrews 1:8 - Original Greek Text

Ancient Greek (biblical / classical) material including: Online texts (accented Greek New Testament), Shopping for printed materials, and Resources for learning and studying Ancient Greek.

greekbible.com

 

[hobelim]

Good thing I'm not a Protestant then!

If you examine the original Greek, the is meaning clear. It doesn't say (in Greek), " 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever". It's more like, 'Your throne, God, is forever and ever". In other words, God is the throne on which Jesus sits.

Interesting. Apparently that's not where it ends.


"He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To he who is victorious I will give the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone inscribed with a new name known only to he who receives it."

"To he who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father ON HIS THRONE."


God is not the throne upon which He sits, Jesus sits, or "he who is victorious" sits.

 

[Cougarbear]

Good thing I'm not a Protestant then!

If you examine the original Greek, the is meaning clear. It doesn't say (in Greek), " 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever". It's more like, 'Your throne, God, is forever and ever". In other words, God is the throne on which Jesus sits.

Hebrews 1:8 - Original Greek Text

Ancient Greek (biblical / classical) material including: Online texts (accented Greek New Testament), Shopping for printed materials, and Resources for learning and studying Ancient Greek.

greekbible.com

Hebrews 1:5, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I (Father) begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son." The Father is telling us that Jesus is God. So is the Father, God.
Revelation 3:21, "To Him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down in with my Father in his throne.

Put the two together and you have the "angels" which are all of us who will overcome will sit with Jesus on his throne as Jesus sits now on his Father's throne. Together with one in purpose the Father and Son make up two of the three parts of the Godhead. Colossians 2:9. End of story.

 

[hobelim]

Thou art my son, this day have I (Father) begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son." The Father is telling us that Jesus is God. So is the Father, God.

No. If that non sequitur was true then David is also God which would make God a quaternity. Absolutely absurd. One God is one God. One plus one plus one equals three. Three is not one. God is not three. God is one. Simple.

"I will proclaim the LORD’s decree: He said to me, “You are my son; today I have become your father." Psalm 2:7

 

[Eman623]

Hebrews 1:5, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I (Father) begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son." The Father is telling us that Jesus is God. So is the Father, God.

No, that's the exact opposite of Jesus is God. It's Jesus is not God! One is the father and one is the son.

Revelation 3:21, "To Him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down in with my Father in his throne.

Put the two together and you have the "angels" which are all of us who will overcome will sit with Jesus on his throne as Jesus sits now on his Father's throne. Together with one in purpose the Father and Son make up two of the three parts of the Godhead. Colossians 2:9. End of story.

Let me know when you find a Bible verse that uses the word "trinity" or says plainly that God is Jesus

 

[ding]

you have condemned yourself with your own open defiance of the Law of God, your vile and loathsome "beliefs", and brazen desecration of the teachings of Jesus

Spoken like a religious nutjob.

 

[ding]

I am the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, the Paraclete, the Advocate and the Avenger of blood, the blood of Jesus.

That's some serious religious nutjobery.

 

[ding]

Go back and read what you have written to everyone on this board - over and over again - your insults, blasphemies, curses and worse - by your own words, you judge and condemn yourself.

But by the words of Christ - "Do not judge or you will be judged, by the same measure your judge others, you too will be judged"

Although many may hold you in contempt, I do not judge you.

He's grinding his ax against Christians but especially Catholics. He doesn't really believe in anything supernatural. If you read his posts that way they make much more sense. He actually gets enjoyment from writing the hateful things he writes.

 

[Cougarbear]

No. If that non sequitur was true then David is also God which would make God a quaternity. Absolutely absurd. One God is one God. One plus one plus one equals three. Three is not one. God is not three. God is one. Simple.

"I will proclaim the LORD’s decree: He said to me, “You are my son; today I have become your father." Psalm 2:7

Take your complaint up with the Lord, the Father and Paul.

The answer to Psalms 2:7 is very simple. It can be that Father in Heaven is the Father of our spirits and we are His spirit children, which is true.
Another possibility is that the name "son" should be grandson. Jesus redeemed us from the Father through His atonement. In that understanding, Jesus is like a Father to us even though he's a brother in spirit. That would make Father in Heaven our Grandfather.
It's a shame you lack the knowledge to understand even though I laid out the other scriptures proving this fact like Revelation 3:21. It's easier for me to understand because the fulness of the Gospel truth has been restored as well has Christ's original Church that apostatized. I have a Prophet and apostles to rely on as the foundation of my knowledge. Just like Paul said in Ephesians that we must have a foundation of apostles and prophets. You have none.

 

[Cougarbear]

No, that's the exact opposite of Jesus is God. It's Jesus is not God! One is the father and one is the son.


Let me know when you find a Bible verse that uses the word "trinity" or says plainly that God is Jesus

Revelation 3:21 ended the debate. We know from this and other verses like Hebrew 1:8 and Colossians 2:9 that both the Father and Son have their own thrones. Yet, Jesus also belongs to the Father's throne. In one breath you want to say the words of the Bible cannot be altered and yet on the other hand they can be altered. Take away your pride and accept the teachings of the Bible as they are and you will finally get it that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three distinct and separate personages that agree in "ONE" purpose. The "ONE" has somehow been changed for you to mean a number. It does not.

 

[Foxfyre]

The Father himself is speaking in Hebrews 1 and says in verse 8 that Jesus, His Son, is to be called God as well. Now, Colossians 2:9 makes sense. "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Verse 8 then says not to follow the philosophy and vain deceit after the traditions of men. This means to only follow prophets and apostles who teach through the spirit of God and not the secular non-prophets of the Unitarians like Jehovah Witnesses and their non-prophet so called scholars.

So did the Apostle John.

Ultimately what we are taught by others or what the Holy Spirit writes as truth on our hearts will be what we believe.

 

[Cougarbear]

So did the Apostle John.

Ultimately what we are taught by others or what the Holy Spirit writes as truth on our hearts will be what we believe.

There's only one truth. The Holy Ghost isn't going to write lies in our hearts. Revelation 3:21 pretty much seals up the truth that both the Father and Son have their own thrones while the Son still remains a part of His Fathers throne as well.

 

[Foxfyre]

There's only one truth. The Holy Ghost isn't going to write lies in our hearts. Revelation 3:21 pretty much seals up the truth that both the Father and Son have their own thrones while the Son still remains a part of His Fathers throne as well.

The Holy Spirit doesn't write lies on our hearts for sure, but the Holy Spirit isn't the only being in the Universe trying to influence us. And the immature, unwary, deniers, sometimes even the devout believers etc. are susceptible to believing untruths that those others are telling them.