Health Insurance Mandate

[alan1]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, health care insurance will become mandatory.

 

[Contumacious]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. .

The Welfare/Warfare State Constitution of 1935 clearly states:

Article 69

The federal government has the authority to use the standing armies to force Americans to be charitable.


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[Annie]

[quote;1509666]I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.[/quote]

I agree with your premise. Interestingly this morning while driving with my 22 year old son, he brought up 'forced health insurance.' He just graduated last spring and has only a couple more months he'll be carried on his dad's insurance. He wanted to know how the government could force him to carry? LOL! His faith in 'his president/hero' is seriously in jeopardy.

Right now he's working full time in a landscaping position, while applying for law enforcement positions. He's taking tests, but the process is nearly a year long. His current position pays good, but no insurance. He figures his purchase of a new car took precedence over spending on health insurance. He said if he has to, he'll work part-time at grocery chain to get insurance. Funny that he could figure that out, without the government.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Obama's public option on health insurance will require everybody to obtain insurance so that there will be plenty of money to pay the claims. By his demanding that everybody obtain health insurance it is just one more way in which the government is trying to take control of your life. Hope people are smart enough to see this. Obama is a socialist. He wants to move his socialist programs forward - by force if necessary.

 

[Contumacious]

[quote;1509666] He figures his purchase of a new car took precedence over spending on health insurance. He said if he has to, he'll work part-time at grocery chain to get insurance. Funny that he could figure that out, without the government.

What's wrong with your child?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

After 12 years at a government school they are supposed to be willing and ready to demand food stamps and other bureaucratic largesse - they are suppose to understand that their government and neighbors owe him a living.


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[chanel]

This is what I don't understand. If people are to be fined $3800 for opting out of insurance, then why shouldn't illegals be included.? Everyone is making a big stink about illegals being included in HR 3200, and I don't see why they shouldn't be. Shouldn't they be fined as well? Am I missing something?

 

[alan1]

This is what I don't understand. If people are to be fined $3800 for opting out of insurance, then why shouldn't illegals be included.? Everyone is making a big stink about illegals being included in HR 3200, and I don't see why they shouldn't be. Shouldn't they be fined as well? Am I missing something?

Yes, you can't see it because you don't have your idiot glasses on.

 

[Zoom-boing]

My brother recently lost his job, due to health issues. His health insurance (he worked for the county as a probation supervisor) only paid a small portion of his bills and he forked over lots of money out of pocket. They wouldn't even cover a psychiatrist.

He is still not able to look for work yet, as they cannot seem to figure out all that is wrong. He is on COBRA for the time being but when that runs out, if he still doesn't have a job - - - he will be forced, according to Obama, to purchase insurance or pay a fine.

How's that freedom? It isn't, it's uncle tying the apron strings tighter.

 

[Contumacious]

This is what I don't understand. If people are to be fined $3800 for opting out of insurance, then why shouldn't illegals be included.? Everyone is making a big stink about illegals being included in HR 3200, and I don't see why they shouldn't be. Shouldn't they be fined as well? Am I missing something?

What is really interesting is the fact that before 1965 we had open borders with Mexico and Canada - healthcare was never a problem or an issue - why is it now?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?


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[Contumacious]

How's that freedom? It isn't, it's uncle tying the apron strings tighter.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4wcNVbYOQ"]A response by Ms Lynn Anderson.[/ame]


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[RodISHI]

[quote;1509666] He figures his purchase of a new car took precedence over spending on health insurance. He said if he has to, he'll work part-time at grocery chain to get insurance. Funny that he could figure that out, without the government.

What's wrong with your child?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

After 12 years at a government school they are supposed to be willing and ready to demand food stamps and other bureaucratic largesse - they are suppose to understand that their government and neighbors owe him a living.


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Some of us just do not know how to raise them "right" like that. We "screw up" somewhere along the way and teach them to be self sufficient.

 

[Oddball]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.

Exactly.

Forget for a moment that I'm against mandated auto insurance, this stupid analogy is soooooo easy to poke holes in that it's truly amazing anyone is stupid enough to use it anymore.

 

[alan1]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.

Exactly.

Forget for a moment that I'm against mandated auto insurance, this stupid analogy is soooooo easy to poke holes in that it's truly amazing anyone is stupid enough to use it anymore.

Yet Mr Obama used it, and got away with it, cept for you and I.

 

[The T]

Of course all of you do realize that there is no Constitutional Mandate for any of this. In fact what the Congress, and the POTUS are doing is criminal in my view.

To do this properly would require a Constitutional Convention and AMEND the Document.

This tinkering with individual liberty just by making up LAW, has to stop on both sides. It creates more problems than it solves, and these types of things have been going on for decades. It has to cease. The course is clear.

I have heard very little discussion of this aspect in most discussions. Healthcare is an individual responsibility, and not an enumerated right under any circumstances.

And for those of you in this discussion that use the "General Welfare" Clause to bolster your argument have no understanding of that either.
(And I have read people using that as an argument). And it doesn't fly.

The political control over the people, and importantly the individual also must cease, And after all? Isn't this what this is all about anyway? WHO controls this issue? The PEOPLE, The Politicians, or the Insurance companies?

My $.02 . Thans for the thread, MM.

 

[The T]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.

Very TRUE.

 

[paperview]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.

One word to consider that spoils your "no risk to anybody else" theory:

Pandemic.

It does not even have to be as bad as a pandemic.
Consider that when transmittable illnesses are spread, they do not discriminate. People who are ill with such and have no health insurance, are much more likely to continue working and spread the disease, (and surely less likely to see a doctor)
-- allowing them to transmit the illness to many more people they otherwise would - these can be the check-out counter girl, to your mechanic, to the waitress at your next night out, to all kinds of folks you interact with daily. If it is a nasty strain, those with weaker immune systems are quite vulnerable.

You might think a persons health is something that makes you an island of one, but sorry, it isn't.

 

[Oddball]

We already have a CDC.

Next silly argument to try and prop up that ridiculous analogy?

 

[paperview]

We already have a CDC.

Next silly argument to try and prop up that ridiculous analogy?

The CDC does not provide health insurance.

It's not an "analogy." It's reality.

 

[alan1]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.

One word to consider that spoils your "no risk to anybody else" theory:

Pandemic.

It does not even have to be as bad as a pandemic.
Consider that when transmittable illnesses are spread, they do not discriminate. People who are ill with such and have no health insurance, are much more likely to continue working and spread the disease, (and surely less likely to see a doctor)
-- allowing them to transmit the illness to many more people they otherwise would - these can be the check-out counter girl, to your mechanic, to the waitress at your next night out, to all kinds of folks you interact with daily. If it is a nasty strain, those with weaker immune systems are quite vulnerable.

You might think a persons health is something that makes you an island of one, but sorry, it isn't.

And a pandemic is a rare thing. Driving a car is a daily occurrence with potentially deadly results every day. The guy at the office that has a cold isn't going to kill or maim me by negligence. Try again.