Zone1 Have we lost The Bible Story?

[Woodznutz]

What choice will I face?

The same choice you have now but under better circumstances.

 

[Meriweather]

The God of the OT was no saint either. Can you say genocide?

Can you say, "short-sightedness". Perhaps study the Old Testament with a Rabbi.

 

[SweetSue92]

That's an odd point of view. God allowing people to choose their own way is not a strong God. On the other hand, a God who throws souls into a Lake of Fire is seen as mighty... Recall respect for the free will of humans is a known characteristic of God.

Don't Catholics believe in Hell?

I sure thought they did

 

[SweetSue92]

Shame on you! That is not and never has been my belief. Why are you lying about me?

What is your problem! Lies, deceit, and now slander. I'll never again see you as an example of Christian love. If you knew me at all, you would know I am ALWAYS saying, "Good enough never is."

Hate me all you want, Sue, but what you have done with your last few posts is unspeakable. There is no reason for you to make up reasons that are acceptable to you for hating, just hate and be done with it.

I don't hate you and in no way is this personal. What I have done is outline the Gospel.

The Bible says: while we were sinners, Christ died for us. Perhaps I misunderstood your post, but you seem to extol a system wherein you can earn your salvation, or somehow improve upon it. For example you talked about our conscience and being "useful". The Bible says all our good works are like "filthy rags"; IOW we should not judge ourselves by human standards, but by God's.

This inevitably leads one to ponder the Cross--our only hope.

 

[Woodznutz]

This is not Biblical.

In my KJV Bible it is.

"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." Ecclesiastes 9:5

The nature of death hasn't changed.

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[SweetSue92]

In my KJV Bible it is.

"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." Ecclesiastes 9:5

The nature of death hasn't changed.

In context of course, that means what they have done here is forgotten. Read verse 6

Also, do you discount everything Jesus Himself said about Hell? Lazarus and the rich man?

 

[Woodznutz]

The Bible says all our good works are like "filthy rags";

No. It says the self-righteousness of Israel, at that time, was as filthy rags. Do a word study of the term "righteousness" in the New Testament.

If righteous acts are as filthy rags today, why do them?

 

[SweetSue92]

No. It says the self-righteousness of Israel, at that time, was as filthy rags. Do a word study of the term "righteousness" in the New Testament.

If righteous acts are as filthy rags today, why do them?

As an outgrowth of faith; as a part of sanctification. God initiates this.

 

[alang1216]

Although we are both Christian (or "Christian"), I would not choose Meriweather's God either. This God is beholden to my thoughts on any given day. I am supposed to believe there's a "kingdom" here. I'm supposed to believe that God looks at my very real sins, shrugs, and says "ah well....good enough".

Meriweather believes God sent His only eternal Son to die a horrid death just so we could...waffle, choose, dissemble, be "good enough".

Who would send their kids to die for that? "Maybe if I send my kid, these people will behave a little better and pay me a scintilla of attention". Uh...???

No, the God of the Bible sent His only eternal Son to die to save TO. THE. UTTERMOST. those who would be saved. It's not a "nice story", it's not some kind of path you walk and maybe you get there. You are either covered in the blood of Jesus when God looks at you--and are thus saved--or you are not.

Many people don't like that. Many people find it hateful. But again IMO a God who is held hostage to MY choices and MY thoughts is really no god at all.

So God requires perfection? Heaven will be a very lonely place.

 

[alang1216]

God is love. What is love without others to love? Try to imagine that emptiness. About five years back I took on two chinchillas. They can't do a thing for me. They need care and tending. I love them dearly. Think about it. Doesn't both giving and receiving love make you the best of who you already are.

I'd guess the two chinchillas act slightly differently but there is nothing they might do that would get you angry. You'd just say, they are just doing what chinchillas do. In my mind, that would be the mindset of the Christian God. Forgive them, they know not what they do.

 

[alang1216]

The same choice you have now but under better circumstances.

Sorry but I have absolutely no idea what you're saying. I get the repentance thing but not the 'better circumstances'. Nor do I get where I will be and what I will be doing after I die but before the second resurrection during the reign of Christ on earth?

 

[alang1216]

Can you say, "short-sightedness". Perhaps study the Old Testament with a Rabbi.

Failing to make a reservation for dinner is "short-sightedness", killing everyone and everything in Jericho or killing 70,000 innocent people for the sins of David, that is genocide in my book.

 

[ding]

Failing to make a reservation for dinner is "short-sightedness", killing everyone and everything in Jericho or killing 70,000 innocent people for the sins of David, that is genocide in my book.

Short sightedness is only looking at things which confirms one's biases.

 

[ding]

In my mind, that would be the mindset of the Christian God. Forgive them, they know not what they do.

I think you'd have to use YOUR experiences as a creator to serve as a proxy for the mindset of the Christian God. Then maybe you wouldn't judge God so harshly.

 

[ding]

Don't Catholics believe in Hell?

I sure thought they did

Don't protestants believe that Christ defeated death?

 

[alang1216]

Short sightedness is only looking at things which confirms one's biases.

You say biases, I'd say 'faith': Short sightedness is only looking at things which confirms one's faith.

 

[alang1216]

I think you'd have to use YOUR experiences as a creator to serve as a proxy for the mindset of the Christian God. Then maybe you wouldn't judge God so harshly.

I built an end table awhile ago. The door didn't close correctly, who should I blame?

 

[ding]

You say biases, I'd say 'faith': Short sightedness is only looking at things which confirms one's faith.

Biases are biases. I made no distinction. You did. Which one of us was biased?

 

[ding]

I built an end table awhile ago. The door didn't close correctly, who should I blame?

Why blame anyone? What purpose would that serve?

 

[alang1216]

Biases are biases. I made no distinction. You did. Which one of us was biased?

I don't recall you ever defining 'faith' as a bias.