Has anyone else heard this?

[Spoonman]

Why is this information important to you?

call me a curious fellow.

So how long was your training?

9 weeks, Ft Jackson, SC.

You must be either a SGT (P) or a SSG with fewer than 2 years in grade. I attended training as a SSG in 2000 with a waiver (I had over 2 years in grade when I went to training but fewer when I was approved.)

Want to know my dates of rank and my ACU sizes?

perhaps you can tell me why the army is accepting applicants with scores lower than the minimum required AFQT score of 31.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

call me a curious fellow.

So how long was your training?

9 weeks, Ft Jackson, SC.

You must be either a SGT (P) or a SSG with fewer than 2 years in grade. I attended training as a SSG in 2000 with a waiver (I had over 2 years in grade when I went to training but fewer when I was approved.)

Want to know my dates of rank and my ACU sizes?

perhaps you can tell me why the army is accepting applicants with scores lower than the minimum required AFQT score of 31.

With a waiver, recruits may be admitted with an AFQT as low as 26, during times of high need.

Waivers were being granted under TESI (temporary endstrength increase) for example.

Its always about meeting recruiting goals.

 

[koshergrl]

So, we all agree that waivers can be obtained to get in a group of people who might not otherwise make it in...

People with criminal records, for example.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yeah. I said it. Go figure.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

So, we all agree that waivers can be obtained to get in a group of people who might not otherwise make it in...

People with criminal records, for example.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yeah. I said it. Go figure.

Quick, name the POTUS under whom some felonies last became waiverable.

 

[bornright]

In the last 6 months i've heard from 3 people in the military who were reupping that officers are being asked if they would fire on US citizens if a situation arose that called for it. The first two I heard it from were younger and reupping for the first time. But I guy i just heard it from is career and said it was the first time he'd ever been asked it and was really concerned about it.

I'm wondering if anyone else here who has been in the military knows if this is standard or a new thing, or if anyone else has heard the same?

I knew a guy whose sister's ex husband served soup in the Italian Restaurant next to the office of the Army recruiters office and he said one of his customers heard that the Army recruiters told the students at the local high school that it was the Navy which asked such questions. Fortunately, most of the high school recruits were smart and figured out it was all bullshit and enlisted in the Navy. The dumb ones spent their time in the mud eating MRE's while the smart ones slept in a warm rack and ate hot meals three times a day.

Instead of giving some smart remark you could ask someone in the military if it is so. I have not heard anything but I do run into some military people on occassion and I will ask. It is a very odd question but if true I would be interested in their answers.

 

[koshergrl]

Uh, it's not an anonymous source. Garrow is the source.

snopes.com: Military Purge

The anonymous source is who Garrow is supposedly quoting.

how clueless can one get?

This Garrow was a 2009 Nobel Peace Prize nominee. He is supposed to be a humanitarian. Who nominated him? Where does this come from?

This garrow guy is creepy, very creepy

Your creepometer has been broken for a very long time, daint.

 

[Caroljo]

The source of this alleged rumor is Nobel Peace Prize nominee Jim Garrow, who claims that claims a top vet told him that the question is a part of the new litmus test for new military leaders.

Shock claim: Obama only wants military leaders who 'will fire on U.S. citizens' - Virginia Beach Conservative | Examiner.com

Come on KG...you know that being a Nobel Prize nominee means nothing....Obama got one! Lol!

Of course my son isn't an upper rank person in the Army, but he is in Special Ops and he's at one of the biggest bases in the US. He doesn't like Obama any more than i do, (most of the people he works with doesn't either!) and he said this is all crap and i tend to believe him before anyone else. Obama has a LOT of stuff wrong with him, and i really wouldn't put it past him, but i can't back something that i know for a fact is not true.

Thank you for not validating the hate.

If I know something isn't true, i'll never say it is just to make points for "my side". I'm not saying that others here are, they may really believe it. But i know my son wouldn't lie about something like this.

 

[Dante]

In the last 6 months i've heard from 3 people in the military who were reupping that officers are being asked if they would fire on US citizens if a situation arose that called for it. The first two I heard it from were younger and reupping for the first time. But I guy i just heard it from is career and said it was the first time he'd ever been asked it and was really concerned about it.

I'm wondering if anyone else here who has been in the military knows if this is standard or a new thing, or if anyone else has heard the same?

back on topic


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[Dante]

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Uh, it's not an anonymous source. Garrow is the source.

snopes.com: Military Purge

The anonymous source is who Garrow is supposedly quoting.

how clueless can one get?

This Garrow was a 2009 Nobel Peace Prize nominee. He is supposed to be a humanitarian. Who nominated him? Where does this come from?

This garrow guy is creepy, very creepy

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[Dante]

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Why is this information important to you?

call me a curious fellow.

So how long was your training?

9 weeks, Ft Jackson, SC.

You must be either a SGT (P) or a SSG with fewer than 2 years in grade. I attended training as a SSG in 2000 with a waiver (I had over 2 years in grade when I went to training but fewer when I was approved.)

Want to know my dates of rank and my ACU sizes?

how did this thread become about you?

you have the power to stop it

 

[JakeStarkey]

Spoonman, whom I like, went creepy for a bit.

 

[ABikerSailor]

So, we all agree that waivers can be obtained to get in a group of people who might not otherwise make it in...

People with criminal records, for example.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yeah. I said it. Go figure.

Quick, name the POTUS under whom some felonies last became waiverable.

I know this one!!!!! Some felonies became waverable under Jr's presidency. They were lowered to ramp up the military for the war in Iraq.

I was working as LPO of Amarillo MEPS for the Navy when that happened. Some of the stuff they were allowing kinda shocked me when the waiver would go to San Antonio and come back approved by the CO.

However..............never once did we allow someone into the Navy with an AFQT lower than 32.

 

[Dante]

So, we all agree that waivers can be obtained to get in a group of people who might not otherwise make it in...

People with criminal records, for example.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yeah. I said it. Go figure.

Quick, name the POTUS under whom some felonies last became waiverable.

I know this one!!!!! Some felonies became waverable under Jr's presidency. They were lowered to ramp up the military for the war in Iraq.

I was working as LPO of Amarillo MEPS for the Navy when that happened. Some of the stuff they were allowing kinda shocked me when the waiver would go to San Antonio and come back approved by the CO.

However..............never once did we allow someone into the Navy with an AFQT lower than 32.

or an IQ score more than double digits?


note: you left the door wide open on this one.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Quick, name the POTUS under whom some felonies last became waiverable.

I know this one!!!!! Some felonies became waverable under Jr's presidency. They were lowered to ramp up the military for the war in Iraq.

I was working as LPO of Amarillo MEPS for the Navy when that happened. Some of the stuff they were allowing kinda shocked me when the waiver would go to San Antonio and come back approved by the CO.

However..............never once did we allow someone into the Navy with an AFQT lower than 32.

or an IQ score more than double digits?


note: you left the door wide open on this one.

Say what? I clearly stated that the Navy (at least during the time I was working as a classifier) never allowed someone to enlist if they didn't have an AFQT of 32 or higher. And, the test only goes up to 99.

If a person scored 90 or higher on the ASVAB, they were immediately tested to see if they were Nuke qualified.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

So, we all agree that waivers can be obtained to get in a group of people who might not otherwise make it in...

People with criminal records, for example.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yeah. I said it. Go figure.

Quick, name the POTUS under whom some felonies last became waiverable.

I know this one!!!!! Some felonies became waverable under Jr's presidency. They were lowered to ramp up the military for the war in Iraq.

I was working as LPO of Amarillo MEPS for the Navy when that happened. Some of the stuff they were allowing kinda shocked me when the waiver would go to San Antonio and come back approved by the CO.

However..............never once did we allow someone into the Navy with an AFQT lower than 32.

We have a winner.

 

[emilynghiem]

In the last 6 months i've heard from 3 people in the military who were reupping that officers are being asked if they would fire on US citizens if a situation arose that called for it. The first two I heard it from were younger and reupping for the first time. But I guy i just heard it from is career and said it was the first time he'd ever been asked it and was really concerned about it.

I'm wondering if anyone else here who has been in the military knows if this is standard or a new thing, or if anyone else has heard the same?

Dear Spoonman:
If the President wants to take out citizens, he's already got drones to do that.

If you are concerned about people shooting down each other, we've got forums to do that!!!
Obviously what they're designed for.
Courtesy of the Internet
Courtesy of the US Military

We have civil ways to fight civil wars -- by flaming, cyberbullying, posting bad videos on youtube or defriending people off facebook, and spamming people we dislike with Cialis ads and lottery notices from Nigerian Banks...

 

[Dante]

I know this one!!!!! Some felonies became waverable under Jr's presidency. They were lowered to ramp up the military for the war in Iraq.

I was working as LPO of Amarillo MEPS for the Navy when that happened. Some of the stuff they were allowing kinda shocked me when the waiver would go to San Antonio and come back approved by the CO.

However..............never once did we allow someone into the Navy with an AFQT lower than 32.

or an IQ score more than double digits?


note: you left the door wide open on this one.

Say what? I clearly stated that the Navy (at least during the time I was working as a classifier) never allowed someone to enlist if they didn't have an AFQT of 32 or higher. And, the test only goes up to 99.

If a person scored 90 or higher on the ASVAB, they were immediately tested to see if they were Nuke qualified.

Lighten up Francis, it was obviously a joke

 

[Dot Com]

I'm a prima ballerina.

uh huh

I hate to burst you ballon (or allow some air into your bubble) but not everyoine in the military is a rightwing wingnut.

You're going to shatter her carefully crafted rw world kg is a wingnut , yes.

 

[Capstone]

In the last 6 months i've heard from 3 people in the military who were reupping that officers are being asked if they would fire on US citizens if a situation arose that called for it. The first two I heard it from were younger and reupping for the first time. But I guy i just heard it from is career and said it was the first time he'd ever been asked it and was really concerned about it.

I'm wondering if anyone else here who has been in the military knows if this is standard or a new thing, or if anyone else has heard the same?

Don't know whether it's been mentioned, but in 1995 there was a military survey conducted in the wake of the Clinton era AWB (supposedly as research for a Naval Officer's thesis), in which 300 active duty Marines were asked if they'd be willing to swear to a United Nations code of conduct and if they'd fire on US citizens who refused to turn over privately owned weapons during confiscation sweeps.

You can read more about it here.

 

[Spoonman]

9 weeks, Ft Jackson, SC.

You must be either a SGT (P) or a SSG with fewer than 2 years in grade. I attended training as a SSG in 2000 with a waiver (I had over 2 years in grade when I went to training but fewer when I was approved.)

Want to know my dates of rank and my ACU sizes?

perhaps you can tell me why the army is accepting applicants with scores lower than the minimum required AFQT score of 31.

With a waiver, recruits may be admitted with an AFQT as low as 26, during times of high need.

Waivers were being granted under TESI (temporary endstrength increase) for example.

Its always about meeting recruiting goals.

interesting, so we are in a post war period where military forces are typically drawn down. It generally becomes more to get into the military, standards are raised and acceptance becomes more selective. So why now in a post war period would we be lowering standards and stepping up enrollment? What could we possibly be expecting?