Handguns vs. AR-15s

[bigrebnc1775]

BTW, I never once said you didn't have facts, I simply stated the FACT that we humans are highly emotive creatures and that affects our reasoning and perceptions much more than we want to believe. And that politicians, et al (regardless of party) utilize this to trigger an emotive response, usually fear of the opposition.

I base my views and beliefs on the calculated out come. Democrats use their emotions.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Tag, you're it!!

You can't tag anyone, when you are retreating at a full sprint.

 

[Ringel05]

You can't tag anyone, when you are retreating at a full sprint.

Tag, you're it..........

(Bet you're too big of a self centered asshole to get it)

 

[Ringel05]

I base my views and beliefs on the calculated out come. Democrats use their emotions.

If you say so......... Heck I believe that you wholeheartedly believe that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Tag, you're it..........

(Bet you're too big of a self centered asshole to get it)

Uh, trolls have been doing that since the AOL chat room days of the 90s. You aren't clever or original.

 

[Ringel05]

Uh, trolls have been doing that since the AOL chat room days of the 90s. You aren't clever or original.

You couldn't be more clueless if you tried. Are those blinders removable or are they surgically attached?

 

[2aguy]

There are voices saying maybe it is time to show the photos of the dead kids who are killed by mass shooters so the public can see just how horrific AR-15s are. Example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/01/uvalde-mass-shootings-graphic-images/

This was very effective when Emmett Till's mother insisted her son's funeral be an open casket and that his body be shown in the papers so everyone could see what the racist assholes who murdered him had done. The photo of Till's body shocked the public and sentiment began turning against the segregationist South.

I have mixed feelings about showing the bodies of these small children. At the very least, it would have to be done with the permission of the parents.

But I think it would be helpful for the public to understand just how horrific these so-called "weapons of war" really are.

Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.

I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. Years ago I saw one from a man shot in the back by a swat team. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.

With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun-shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to the trauma center to receive our care.

What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns

They weren’t the first mass-shooting victims the Florida radiologist saw—but their wounds were radically different.

www.theatlantic.com

Dipshit…….any rifle will do bad things to a human body…….the 5.56 or .22 is smaller than other rifle rounds….wait till he sees what a real rifle will do..,,,,


What we should do is show babies murdered in abortions….

 

[2aguy]

In a typical handgun injury, which I diagnose almost daily, a bullet leaves a laceration through an organ such as the liver. To a radiologist, it appears as a linear, thin, gray bullet track through the organ. There may be bleeding and some bullet fragments.

I was looking at a CT scan of one of the mass-shooting victims from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, and was bleeding extensively. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?

The reaction in the emergency room was the same. One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semiautomatic rifle that delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. Nothing was left to repair—and utterly, devastatingly, nothing could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal.

What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns

They weren’t the first mass-shooting victims the Florida radiologist saw—but their wounds were radically different.

www.theatlantic.com

Imagine if he shot them with a shotgun at that range…you dumb ass…

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If you say so......... Heck I believe that you wholeheartedly believe that.

Showing your emotions I see.cant get your way

 

[2aguy]

Was that a sentence?

As for "all we need to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun", that theory has been completely blown out of the water. The police at Parkland and in Uvalde completely failed to stop the bad guys with guns.

Only an idiot would continue to subscribe to this idiotic bullshit disastrous idea.

Wow….you guys are such simpletons…….

Government failed……this woman did not…..

The same week government failed, this woman…with her concealed carry handgun stopped nother mass public shooter who also had an AR-15 rifle…..and she stopped him a no killed him…

A good guy with a gun….you idiot…

Woman credited with stopping mass shooting at apartment complex in West Virginia

Police say a woman's actions may have prevented a mass casualty event following an altercation about a man speeding through a neighborhood.

www.wral.com

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Imagine if he shot them with a shotgun at that range…you dumb ass…

The ballistics change in a 9mm when fired from a carbine a little over 200 ft per second more. Which puts it close to the same speed as 556 NATO

 

[2aguy]

And even when the good guys DO stop the bad guys, mass murder has almost always already occurred .

The Uvalde cops could have stormed that building, and there would still be a pile of dead children.

So the entire argument is embarrassing and mind numbigly stupid.

Except for this one…the same week of the school shooting..,.another killer with an AR-15….this time a woman with a concealed carry handgun killed him…..

You idiot……..

Woman credited with stopping mass shooting at apartment complex in West Virginia

Police say a woman's actions may have prevented a mass casualty event following an altercation about a man speeding through a neighborhood.

www.wral.com

 

[2aguy]

Compelling!

So, have you manged to stop everyone from talking about the very large holes that ar15 rounds make in children's bodies?

No?

Good luck!

Do you think that hole is smaller than from a shotgun? you idiot.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You realize that you can't put a .223 through a 9mm, right?

Well, you could if you expended enough effort. You could design a sabot to fit a 5.56mm projectile to a 9mm barrel. A 9mm hollow point would probably do more damage and a Glaser Safety Slug would certainly do more damage.

 

[2aguy]

Ironically, the gun humpers are more guilty of this.

"My rights my right my rights! The gubmint and gun grabbers want to take all the guns! I saw a movie where only police had guns : Schindler List! Look at my beatiful chidlren holding guns on my christmas card!""

If pictures of dead children with large holes in them is a "stronger emotional appeal", then that is a sign we are NOT lost as a country.

If not, then it demonstrates the immorality of the country and the backwards morality of the gun humpers.

Looks like you picked your side.... on page 1 of the thread ...

Dittos………we can show the bodies of babies murdered in abortions…….

 

[AZrailwhale]

The 7.62x39 is the quintessential cop killer because anything but level 4 body armor won't stop it. You should see the damage that cartridge does compared to a 5.56.

7.62mm NATO will punch through plates the Russian round will bounce off of. Funny, nobody is trying to ban M-1As. California has limited them to five round magazines.

 

[Ringel05]

Showing your emotions I see.cant get your way

I'm sorry. I forgot I was talking to a perfect being. My bad.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The point seems to be if we just get rid of the AR-15 mass shootings will end. Of course you could go into an elementary school class room with a 357 or 44 magnum and a couple of speed loaders and do the same type of damage. People can go back fourth on the gun used in mass shootings for as long as they like until we start focusing on what is driving people to these extremes the problem won't get solved.

Or you could go whole hog and go with a Saiga 12 gauge with a couple of 20 round drum magazines.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I'm sorry. I forgot I was talking to a perfect being. My bad.

No just calculating

 

[AZrailwhale]

You can't have a nuke because of others, either.

Or hand grenades.

Or a tank.

You CAN own hand grenades and tanks. You can even legally drive tanks on the street if they are licensed and have rubber track pads. You do need a destructive device license to own hand grenades.