Handguns vs. AR-15s

[Sandy Shanks]

Actually, there have been 233 mass shootings this year, 20 mass shootings since the slaughter of children and teachers in Uvalde.

That statement was made yesterday. No doubt the figures have been updated.

As police officers stood outside a locked fourth-grade classroom, a student trapped inside with the man shooting at her classmates dialed 911. She was in Room 112, she whispered to the dispatcher. Seven minutes later, she called again. There were multiple students dead, she said. The child hung up and called several more times, her words growing increasingly desperate and grim. “Please send police now,” she said in one of the final 911 recordings — over 40 minutes after her initial call. -- The Post

CNN Reports, "President Joe Biden tried to turn a string of horrific mass shootings into momentum Thursday night, imploring 10 Republican senators to join Democrats on some – any – new gun-related legislation.

"The speech, which compared dead American children to US casualties in war, came on a night when fellow Democrats on a House committee passed a string of proposals that most Americans might support but have no chance of passing through a GOP blockade in the Senate. The National Rifle Association immediately rejected his proposals,

"Biden made clear he’s willing to accept far less than the measures he prefers – an assault weapons ban – in exchange for real federal action. In the speech, he laid out some main proposals: banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines or raising the age to purchase them to 21, strengthening background checks, enacting safe storage and red flag laws, repealing the immunity that protects gun manufacturers from liability and addressing the mental health crisis."

This is all in vain and our President knows it.

The forum's Republicans remain completely silent on the issue.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Then why don't mass murderers use them?

Why don't more people own them?

Oh that's right...more obstacles.

It's almost as if regulation has an effect.

I could build twenty hand grenades from scratch for a couple of hundred dollars. They would be more effective than normal military issue because I wouldn't have to worry about safe storage. A hand grenade is a simple device, a small amount of explosive (black powder or even firecrackers will do) something for fragmentation (anything from broken glass to screws and nails works) and a fuze or detonator. With black powder some kind of fuze like model rocket fuze works just fine. Finally something to contain the components, a food or soda can would work just fine. It's all readily available without a license in most places.

 

[Ringel05]

No just calculating

You missed the point but that's okay. Guess it never occurred to you that your calculating has a strong chance of being tainted by your emotions, likes and dislikes.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The .22 caliber was a favorite of the mob for hits...

The round is quiet, it doesn't make much of a mess and the hitter can buy them anywhere, they are essentially untraceable except by ballistics.

 

[AZrailwhale]

This is a lie, both ignorant and wrong.

It's the speed of the bullet, not its size.

It's a combination of both. Velocity time mass. A .45 ACP is a big, slow round but it delivers massive damage due mostly to shock. A .50 BMG round is a huge, high velocity round that destroys whatever it hits.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Dipshit…….any rifle will do bad things to a human body…….the 5.56 or .22 is smaller than other rifle rounds….wait till he sees what a real rifle will do..,,,,


What we should do is show babies murdered in abortions….

You do.

All the time, dipshit

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I could build twenty hand grenades from scratch for a couple of hundred dollars.

Neat!

Then why aren't we having a bunch of hand grenade mass murders?

You can dodge all day, but the questions remain.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You missed the point but that's okay. Guess it never occurred to you that your calculating has a strong chance of being tainted by your emotions, likes and dislikes.

How is a cold heart calculating person have emotions?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Neat!

Then why aren't we having a bunch of hand grenade mass murders?

You can dodge all day, but the questions remain.

Because I have a skill set that most mass-murderers lack. But it does happen. The Boston Marathon and the Aurora Colorado murderers both used, or intended to use improvised bombs. They are easy to build if you have the skill set and horribly effective. I could kill hundreds in one event and be far away when the devices detonated. A simple grenade like I described could kill and maim anywhere from a dozen to a hundred people depending on where it was detonated and size. A soda can sized one could easily do a dozen, a coffee can sized one could easily do a hundred. What mass murders don’t understand is how lethal even a small explosive device can be. Also setting off an explosive charge may lack the visceral pleasure pulling a trigger over and over again gives them. It’s bang and done.

 

[Ringel05]

How is a cold heart calculating person have emotions?

Because it's normal for all people unless you're a psychopath. Emotions cover a wide range and unless we're very careful color our thinking based on multiple stimuli, past experience and world view, etc, etc. Almost all people develop an idea/view/belief then go looking for evidence to corroborate that idea/view/belief, it's called Confirmation Bias and that's the normal thing for us humans to do but not always the best. One way to get around that instead of looking for confirmation proof look instead to disprove it, if you can't then it's proven.
Now don't get me wrong, Confirmation Bias is not always a bad thing, we subconsciously use it every day in multiple scenarios, it's part of our hard wired "defense of self" mechanism.
The problem is that in order to properly understand this one at least needs to know what all these mechanisms are and how they work, understand how our emotions often dictate how we see things. Say someone hands us a rotten apple we typically respond with something like: Ewwww, that's nasty. That's an emotive response. Being attracted to or repelled by are both emotive responses and I'm barely scratching the surface of this subject.

 

[Rigby5]

The survival rate from handgun wounds is much higher than the survival rate of AR-15 wounds.

Simple fact.

That is not at all true.
First of all, range matter a whole lot.
At very close range, the .223 is too stable, does not tumble, and just pierces a tiny hole.
It only imparts a lot of energy IF it tumbles, and its spin is too great for that at close range.
Second is that all the .223 ammo is full jacket, and not hollow point. But pistols are almost all hollow point, and hollow point is like a buzz saw.
It fans open into a large spinning diameter, with sharp blades.
Imagine this spinning at high speed, from a pistol shot.

 

[Rigby5]

Was that a sentence?

As for "all we need to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun", that theory has been completely blown out of the water. The police at Parkland and in Uvalde completely failed to stop the bad guys with guns.

Only an idiot would continue to subscribe to this idiotic bullshit disastrous idea.

Wrong.
If there were a good guy with a camera and electric door lock, or a gun, then these shooting could not have happened.
Since they did happen, we know there was no defense.
There were no police at Parkland or Uvalde, so you are lying.
There was a security at Parkland, but he fled.
If they had and armed teacher or a 2nd backup, it would not have happened.
The idea you can prevent any possible illegal gun sale is just insane.
It can not be done.
That should be obvious since we can't stop drugs and it is drug dealers who would be easy source for guns as well.

 

[Rigby5]

Because I have a skill set that most mass-murderers lack. But it does happen. The Boston Marathon and the Aurora Colorado murderers both used, or intended to use improvised bombs. They are easy to build if you have the skill set and horribly effective. I could kill hundreds in one event and be far away when the devices detonated. A simple grenade like I described could kill and maim anywhere from a dozen to a hundred people depending on where it was detonated and size. A soda can sized one could easily do a dozen, a coffee can sized one could easily do a hundred. What mass murders don’t understand is how lethal even a small explosive device can be. Also setting off an explosive charge may lack the visceral pleasure pulling a trigger over and over again gives them. It’s bang and done.

If the bomber were to sneak into the school at night and cause a gas leak as they placed their bombs, they could pretty much wipe out everyone in the entire school.
And worst of all, since there would be no evidence who did it, they could do it over and over again.

 

[Rigby5]

This is a lie, both ignorant and wrong.

It's the speed of the bullet, not its size.

That is completely ignorant.
What does damage is energy, not speed, and if the bullet is narrow, it just pushes things out of its way, and impart almost no energy at all.
The size of the bullet is almost entirely the most important things, not only because mass give is more energy, but the wider the bullet the more impact and energy transfer.
Typically accidental shootings in Vietnam with the .223 did almost no damage at all. The bullet is way too tiny to transfer much energy, and at close range is spin rate prevent tumbling.
The .223 is about the weakest of all rifles, is in the pistol category as far as damage and lethality, and is so lacking in kill power that is it illegal for deer hunting in about half the states.

Just compare a .44 caliber magnum with the .223.
The .44 magnum has about 1200 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
The .223 has about 1100 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
And the greater diameter of the .44 with make over 4 times the hole and transfer all the energy to the victims, while the .223 will go right through and retain almost all of its energy.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong, seek attention elsewhere

Cavitation implies the movement of mass due to a low pressure area, and a .223 is way too tiny in diameter to be able to cause cavitation.
At long range the .223 has been known to tumble, and that can possibly simulate the effects of a much larger bullet, but is irrelevant for these close range school shootings.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Because I have a skill set that most mass-murderers lack. But it does happen.

Does it?

Does it happen at a rate of more than one a day, in only one country on earth?

Nope.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Cavitation implies the movement of mass due to a low pressure area, and a .223 is way too tiny in diameter to be able to cause cavitation.

Wrong, of course. Stop wasting my time and yours.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong, of course. Stop wasting my time and yours.

Wrong, that is NOT at all cavitation, and ballistic gel is NOT at all like a human being, because we have bones, muscle, tendons, etc, and ballistic gel is just a big soft pile of jello.
The block of ballistic gel is much larger than a person.
In a real person, as close range, the bullet would have gone right through before transferring enough energy.
And the big hollow in the gel is NOT from cavitation, but bullet tumble.
So they purposely rigged the demonstation to use a long range shot, and did not tell anyone. A close range shot will not tumble and do that.

Here is ballistic gel with a 9mm and it also have an unrealistic wound channel in soft ballistic gel.

You can see the tiny bullet off to the right, so using that for scale, the would channel looks to be about 7 inches or so, which would never happen in real life.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

That is completely ignorant.
What does damage is energy, not speed, and if the bullet is narrow, it just pushes things out of its way, and impart almost no energy at all.
The size of the bullet is almost entirely the most important things, not only because mass give is more energy, but the wider the bullet the more impact and energy transfer.
Typically accidental shootings in Vietnam with the .223 did almost no damage at all. The bullet is way too tiny to transfer much energy, and at close range is spin rate prevent tumbling.
The .223 is about the weakest of all rifles, is in the pistol category as far as damage and lethality, and is so lacking in kill power that is it illegal for deer hunting in about half the states.

Just compare a .44 caliber magnum with the .223.
The .44 magnum has about 1200 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
The .223 has about 1100 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
And the greater diameter of the .44 with make over 4 times the hole and transfer all the energy to the victims, while the .223 will go right through and retain almost all of its energy.

You idiots pay attention.

Rigby5 knows the fuck of which he speaks.**


**(perfect grammar for "knows what the fuck he is talking about")

 

[Batcat]

Then why does NYC make me wait 3-6 months and pay $500 for a revolver home permit while I can get a rifle much easier?

Why are you living in New York City.

Move to The Free State of Florida. You don’t need a permit to buy a handgun. There is a three business day waiting period before you can pick it up And in some areas a five day waiting period. There is no gun registration in Florida.

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You can also get a 7 year concealed weapons permit for $97 + the cost of gun safety class. With that permit you can walk into a gun store and leave with a nice brand new handgun that you can carry concealed. No waiting period.

https://www.fdacs.gov/content/download/7438/file/License_Fees.pdf

Shortly Florida may go to Constitutional Carry and you will not need a concealed carry permit to carry in public.

What does 'constitutional carry' mean and how would it change gun laws in Florida?

Florida Gov. DeSantis has said he will sign 'constitutional carry' legislation before his term is over. But what is it, and what does that mean for Floridians?

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Plus Florida does not have a state income tax or city income tax.