Gun crime dropped in Ohio cities after Constitutional Carry was passed.....

[2aguy]

Sure. But you also said this..." ...gun crime did not go up after Constitutional Carry was passed in Ohio..." implying that CC did contribute to lower gun crimes.

What's the matter, selective memory? Tsk. Tsk.

Well, now you know. It did not. Because NYC also had a lowering of gun crimes without passing Constitutional Carry.

Consider yourself educated. Class dismissed.

Nope....I quoted directly from my post.........

I'll do it again...

Did Constitutional Carry in Ohio cause gun crime to drop?......could be. What we do know for certain

You, again, fail to explain why gun murder did not go up when they passed Constitutional Carry...

I gave you the reason murder fell in New York...they actually arrested criminals...the ones doing all the shooting...

You want to target gun owners who don't use guns for crime or murder....I want to arrest and put in prison the actual criminals doing the shooting...

 

[2aguy]

Don’t know anything about Ohio. But as per your theory, CC is the reason for low crimes in Ohio cities.

Ok but then why is NY so low in gun violence? I am from NY and so know it well. It certainly does not have CC and has very strict gun laws.

In other words, you are full of shit and your theory is rubbish.

Let me know if you are still confused.

Now I will actually address research on the effects of concealed carry and crime....

One moment, please...

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997
The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)
The Concealed‐Handgun Debate, John R. Lott, Jr., Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998
Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998
The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001 — see Table 3 on page 679
Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003
Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198
Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004
Abortion and Crime: Unwanted children and out-of-wedlock births, John R. Lott, Jr and John Whitley, October 2006.– page 14, Table 2.
The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001 — page 707, fn. 29
Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns
More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr. — many places in the text.
“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).
“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014
“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014
“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..
“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009
“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013
“On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation” by Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, Volume 72, Issue 5, pages 696–715, October 2010.
“The Impact of Right-to-Carry Laws: A Critique of the 2014 Version of Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang,” Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Econ Journal Watch, January 2018: 51-66.
“Do Right to Carry Laws Increase Violent Crime? A Comment on Donohue, Aneja, and Weber,” Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Econ Journal Watch, Volume 16, Number 1, March 2019: 84-96.
More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.
Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

A detailed discussion of the National Research Council report is available here. We have reservations for many research papers on both sides of this debate, so inclusion here doesn’t mean that we think that the estimates were done correctly, but to give you information on the number of peer-reviewed academic papers that find a benefit from right-to-carry laws.

For the data errors in the one published paper by Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang that claims to find a bad effect from right-to-carry laws on aggravated assaults see this paper (the authors published an Erratum acknowledging errors in their piece here).

In addition, Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang have retracted their original claim that the my research could not be replicated.

Their argument was that Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang could not replicate the replication work done by the National Research Council that had replicated my research. In an Erratum note published in October 2012 they concede: “Subsequent to the publication of this article, members of the NRC panel demonstrated to the authors that the results in question were replicable if the authors used the data and statistical models described in Chapter 6 of the NRC (2004) report.”

UPDATED: Another recent paper by Charles D. Phillips, Obioma Nwaiwu, Szu-hsuan Lin, Rachel Edwards, Sara Imanpour, and Robert Ohsfeldt in the Journal of Criminology is discussed here.

The Siegel et al paper in the American Journal of Public Health, “Easiness of Legal Access to Concealed Firearm Permits and Homicide Rates in the United States” is discussed here.

Another unpublished paper by Donohue is discussed here and here.
For those interested in seeing our debate with Scientific American over whether some of the studies listed below should be included in our list, please see the discussion available here.

 

[2aguy]

Sure. But you also said this..." ...gun crime did not go up after Constitutional Carry was passed in Ohio..." implying that CC did contribute to lower gun crimes.

What's the matter, selective memory? Tsk. Tsk.

Well, now you know. It did not. Because NYC also had a lowering of gun crimes without passing Constitutional Carry.

Consider yourself educated. Class dismissed.

Sure. But you also said this..." ...gun crime did not go up after Constitutional Carry was passed in Ohio..." implying that CC did contribute to lower gun crimes.

No......you need to learn how to read and comprehend what you are reading...maybe you could find a 1st grader to help you with that....


That statement was in direct response to asshats like you who always claim that law abiding citizens who don't use their legal guns for crime or violence, will all of a sudden start using their guns for crime and violence if they don't have to jump through hoops and cut through red tape to simply carry a gun for self defense....

Meanwhile, the criminals who actually do the shooting are already carrying their illegal guns without any red tape or hoops...

 

[LibertyKid]

Consider yourself educated. Class dismissed.

Love it when posters use these meaningless closures as if they somehow prove their point.

 

[Magnus]

Love it when posters use these meaningless closures as if they somehow prove their point.

Awww... did you get triggered? Awww

 

[LibertyKid]

Awww... did you get triggered? Awww

Nope not at all.

 

[Magnus]

Nope not at all.

Sure, you didn't.

 

[Flash]

Since it hasn't been a year yet there is no data complied on Florida's permittless carry law.

I suspect that when they do get the figures that the crime has been reduced.

 

[LibertyKid]

Sure, you didn't.

I know you are, but what am I....

 

[Magnus]

I know you are, but what am I....

You are a retard. Let me know if you are still confused.

 

[2aguy]

You are a retard. Let me know if you are still confused.

Again......since you failed to do it so far.....

How is it that gun murder went down as more Americans bought and actually carried guns? Breaking monthly records for gun sales......in particular among women and minorities.....

 

[LibertyKid]

You are a retard. Let me know if you are still confused.

Name calling, another tactic by those who have no other recourse of discourse. So who's the retard?

 

[Magnus]

Name calling, another tactic by those who have no other recourse of discourse. So who's the retard?

Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer, retard.

 

[LibertyKid]

Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer, retard.

Another tactic by those who can't discourse... deflection.

 

[2aguy]

Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer, retard.

How is it that gun murder went down as more Americans bought and actually carried guns? Breaking monthly records for gun sales......in particular among women and minorities.....