Gun Background Checks Pass in Washington

[NeoTemplar]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

I've bolded the operative word here, illegal gun runners around the U.S. all went hurray for expansion after that billed passed.

 

[Dana7360]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

now if they can just get people to register their guns and follow the law. I can tell you right now it isn't working in NY and CT. people said **** you to mandatory registration of guns. people are still selling guns to each other, probably more than ever now as a matter of fact. and none of it is on record. funny thing about ridiculous laws like these, they are not enforceable.

here is the thing

registering firearms only applies to the legal firearm owner

felons are exempt constitutionally from having to register or attempt to register a firearm

in fact they can not be charged with a crime of failing to register a firearm

This thread isn't about registering guns.

It's about background checks to make sure the wrong people don't get guns.

Why do you have to change what I said? Is it because you can't logically and honestly debate the subject of background checks?

 

[M14 Shooter]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

now if they can just get people to register their guns and follow the law. I can tell you right now it isn't working in NY and CT. people said **** you to mandatory registration of guns. people are still selling guns to each other, probably more than ever now as a matter of fact. and none of it is on record. funny thing about ridiculous laws like these, they are not enforceable.

here is the thing
registering firearms only applies to the legal firearm owner
felons are exempt constitutionally from having to register or attempt to register a firearm
in fact they can not be charged with a crime of failing to register a firearm

This thread isn't about registering guns.
It's about background checks to make sure the wrong people don't get guns.
Why do you have to change what I said? Is it because you can't logically and honestly debate the subject of background checks?

You cannot logically debate and defend your own point, so...?

 

[Dana7360]

Our society decided a long time ago that those people shouldn't have guns. All this law does is make sure that they don't get them.

This is, of course, a lie.
You know criminals will still get guns, just like they do in CA, and so you know this law will prevent nothing.

It is impossible to enact legislation that will prevent people from breaking the law.

I guess we shouldn't pass any laws because people will break the law.

So just because the law isn't 100% effective no law should be passed?

Do you know how illogical that is?

I guess we should stop making murder illegal. Murders happen everyday in America.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Our society decided a long time ago that those people shouldn't have guns. All this law does is make sure that they don't get them.

This is, of course, a lie.
You know criminals will still get guns, just like they do in CA, and so you know this law will prevent nothing.
It is impossible to enact legislation that will prevent people from breaking the law.

I guess we shouldn't pass any laws because people will break the law.

You guess this because you know you cannot debate the point.

Laws exist to punish people from committing acts that society has deemed out of bounds -- that is, crime -- not to prevent people from committing those acts. Any law enacted to prevent people form committing a crime will fail because it is impossible for a law to prevent people from breaking the law.

Long story short: your premise is fallacious, and you don't care.

 

[turtledude]

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

gun control only disarms good people so that is why we oppose gun control. the two scenarios are armed potential victims or DISARMED potential victims. We choose the former, you all want the latter.

And you are more likely to be accidently shot and killed than to kill a criminal. You might want to rethink your position.

that assumes that killing the criminal is the only way you deter an attack with a gun

MORON

No it assumes nothing. Just a fact. Moron.

its a worthless fact. the issue is the defensive utility of firearms you stupid enabler of violent criminals

 

[turtledude]

What part of the fact that registration stops no crimes....at all...is so hard for you people to understand....?

What part of the fact that back ground checks do not stop criminals from getting guns is so hard for you people to understand...?



They do not stop one criminal from getting a gun or using it in a criminal way....what don't you people understand....?

It makes it harder, that's why criminals in NY have to go out of state. Now if we had federal laws they couldn't do that.

like we do for crack and heroin

Those morons too stupid to study history will be ***** slapped by those of us who do

 

[Dana7360]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

delusions. crooks won't go through background checks anymore than addicts buy their drugs from pharmacies

when it fails, you will demand more gun laws

The reason why they don't go through background checks is because there's a loophole in the federal law big enough to drive a Mack truck through. All this law does is close those loopholes.

If they have to go through a background check no matter who they buy from, they're they're much less likely to get a gun.

If you say that this law won't do anything then why are you so upset that the law passed? If it's a worthless law you shouldn't have any problem with it.

not a loophole moron. for 200 years there was no such requirement

congress only had the VOTES and the Interstate commerce clause power to make federally licensed dealers conduct background checks

When a law is passed but includes a way to get around the law or the intent of the law, that's a loophole.

The federal government left a loophole big enough for a Mack truck to go through on the federal background check law.

That law only applies to licensed gun sellers. No one else. So if someone buys a gun from someone who isn't a licensed gun seller they don't have to go through the background check.

Which is how criminals get their guns without a background check.

All this law does is close that loophole.

If you're a law abiding citizen, don't have mental problems or don't beat up your mate, you won't have an problem getting a gun.

 

[martybegan]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

Stiffening gun laws only makes it harder for victims to buy a gun.

Criminals can always get a gun and if you know that everyone's not packing heat your average criminal isn't afraid of committing crimes.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet the murder rate is still thru the roof. You can't own a handgun in New York yet violent crimes are at epidemic levels. Most mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.

The list goes on and on.

Gun ownership seems harder on legal owners than criminals. About 600 accidental deaths a year vs only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. Making guns harder to get should save lives.

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

I don;t want criminals armed. YOU want ME disarmed, or to make it so hard to get a gun I just give up. All of your efforts are devoted to keeping ME disarmed, the law abiding citizen.

 

[martybegan]

Lefties think funny....

Registration will not stop any crime...period...actual research shows this...yet they want registration...

Back ground checks will not stop any crime or mass shooting...research shows this...yet they want back ground checks...


There is something wrong in a remote area of their brains that processes common sense, rational thought and just knowing what reality is....

Why do criminals in NY have to go out of state for guns if the laws don't work?

Why do they get the guns anyway if the laws supposedly work?

ITS BECAUSE THEY BREAK THE LAW YOU MOUTH BREATHING OXYGEN THIEF.

 

[M14 Shooter]

When a law is passed but includes a way to get around the law or the intent of the law, that's a loophole.

There was no way to get around the law; it is impossible to legally buy a gun from a dealer w/o a background check.
To argue there's a loophole here is to argue from ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[mudwhistle]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

Stiffening gun laws only makes it harder for victims to buy a gun.

Criminals can always get a gun and if you know that everyone's not packing heat your average criminal isn't afraid of committing crimes.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet the murder rate is still thru the roof. You can't own a handgun in New York yet violent crimes are at epidemic levels. Most mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.

The list goes on and on.

Gun ownership seems harder on legal owners than criminals. About 600 accidental deaths a year vs only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. Making guns harder to get should save lives.

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

I don;t want criminals armed. YOU want ME disarmed, or to make it so hard to get a gun I just give up. All of your efforts are devoted to keeping ME disarmed, the law abiding citizen.

They think disarmament helps.

It only makes it easy for administrations like this one to take our property or abuse our freedoms.

 

[Brain357]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

Stiffening gun laws only makes it harder for victims to buy a gun.

Criminals can always get a gun and if you know that everyone's not packing heat your average criminal isn't afraid of committing crimes.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet the murder rate is still thru the roof. You can't own a handgun in New York yet violent crimes are at epidemic levels. Most mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.

The list goes on and on.

Gun ownership seems harder on legal owners than criminals. About 600 accidental deaths a year vs only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. Making guns harder to get should save lives.

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

I don;t want criminals armed. YOU want ME disarmed, or to make it so hard to get a gun I just give up. All of your efforts are devoted to keeping ME disarmed, the law abiding citizen.

Only felons.

 

[Brain357]

Lefties think funny....

Registration will not stop any crime...period...actual research shows this...yet they want registration...

Back ground checks will not stop any crime or mass shooting...research shows this...yet they want back ground checks...


There is something wrong in a remote area of their brains that processes common sense, rational thought and just knowing what reality is....

Why do criminals in NY have to go out of state for guns if the laws don't work?

Why do they get the guns anyway if the laws supposedly work?

ITS BECAUSE THEY BREAK THE LAW YOU MOUTH BREATHING OXYGEN THIEF.

They go to states with weaker laws.

 

[Brain357]

Stiffening gun laws only makes it harder for victims to buy a gun.

Criminals can always get a gun and if you know that everyone's not packing heat your average criminal isn't afraid of committing crimes.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet the murder rate is still thru the roof. You can't own a handgun in New York yet violent crimes are at epidemic levels. Most mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.

The list goes on and on.

Gun ownership seems harder on legal owners than criminals. About 600 accidental deaths a year vs only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. Making guns harder to get should save lives.

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

I don;t want criminals armed. YOU want ME disarmed, or to make it so hard to get a gun I just give up. All of your efforts are devoted to keeping ME disarmed, the law abiding citizen.

They think disarmament helps.

It only makes it easy for administrations like this one to take our property or abuse our freedoms.

This administration has done neither to me.

 

[Brain357]

When a law is passed but includes a way to get around the law or the intent of the law, that's a loophole.

There was no way to get around the law; it is impossible to legally buy a gun from a dealer w/o a background check.
To argue there's a loophole here is to argue from ignorance and/or dishonesty.

So they go to a private seller instead. No background check.

 

[2aguy]

I guess we shouldn't pass any laws because people will break the law.

No Dana, it is actually very simple....if you use a gun to commit a crime...we catch you and send you to prison. Everything else is pointless because criminals will not "pre" restrain themselves the way law abiding citizens do....if you pass a background check law like this...law abiding citizens will submit to background checks....criminals won't...they will steal their guns....then you catch them and put them in prison.

Felons are not allowed to have guns....when you catch a felon with a gun send them to prison.

Felons are not allowed to sell, or buy guns....if you catch a felon who has sold or bought a gun send them to prison.

That is what laws are for...not Tom Cruise "Pre-crime"....

 

[martybegan]

Lefties think funny....

Registration will not stop any crime...period...actual research shows this...yet they want registration...

Back ground checks will not stop any crime or mass shooting...research shows this...yet they want back ground checks...


There is something wrong in a remote area of their brains that processes common sense, rational thought and just knowing what reality is....

Why do criminals in NY have to go out of state for guns if the laws don't work?

Why do they get the guns anyway if the laws supposedly work?

ITS BECAUSE THEY BREAK THE LAW YOU MOUTH BREATHING OXYGEN THIEF.

They go to states with weaker laws.

and they usually break those as well. So they break the tougher laws, they break the easier laws, and in the end the only result is I have to pay $500 and wait 6 months to get a handgun I have to keep disassembled or locked up, and unloaded.

 

[martybegan]

Stiffening gun laws only makes it harder for victims to buy a gun.

Criminals can always get a gun and if you know that everyone's not packing heat your average criminal isn't afraid of committing crimes.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet the murder rate is still thru the roof. You can't own a handgun in New York yet violent crimes are at epidemic levels. Most mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.

The list goes on and on.

Gun ownership seems harder on legal owners than criminals. About 600 accidental deaths a year vs only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. Making guns harder to get should save lives.

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

I don;t want criminals armed. YOU want ME disarmed, or to make it so hard to get a gun I just give up. All of your efforts are devoted to keeping ME disarmed, the law abiding citizen.

Only felons.

The only thing the laws in NYC do is make it impossible for me to get a firearm and keep it in a usable manner.

 

[2aguy]

he federal government left a loophole big enough for a Mack truck to go through on the federal background check law.

That law only applies to licensed gun sellers. No one else. So if someone buys a gun from someone who isn't a licensed gun seller they don't have to go through the background check.

Which is how criminals get their guns without a background check.

Dana....it is against the law to sell a gun to a felon....period....if you sell a gun to a felon you go to jail...already...without background checks....

What they have now made illegal is my giving my guns to my kids....what they have made illegal is my selling my guns to my neighbor...what they have made illegal is my lending, that's right, lending my guns to a friend so he can go to the range or hunting with them...why....because now before I lend my guns to anyone...we have to go to a gun store and pay a fee to have each of us checked out to see if we pass a background check....

That is insane....