Gun Background Checks Pass in Washington

[Brain357]

Oh look. Here's an article with an interview w ATF agents saying just what i've said all along. Straw purchases account for some number of illegal guns. Hey, let's make straw purchases illegal!
Inside the Black Market for Guns - Forbes

Your link seems to agree with me actually:
“Sometimes,” said Agent Zamaloff, “guns out there,” he waved his right hand at 35thfloor windows and the New York City streets below, “are found at a crime scene soon after being sold at a store. The gun, of course, was sold to someone who doesn’t have a criminal record—a straw purchaser. The straw purchaser buys the gun for someone who can’t. Sometimes a straw purchaser will even learn that a gun has turned up in a crime and will quickly report it as being stolen; either way, this gives us a chance to open and possibly broaden an investigation into what might be a number of individuals involved in a gunrunning ring.”

Can't get away with being a straw purchaser if guns are registered and every sale requires a background check.

First off the paragraph you quoted supports me. If they find a gun at a scene they have no idea how it got there.
Second, how will registering guns and requiring background checks (which are already required btw) stop straw purchases? Do you even know what a straw purchase is?

See answers in what you just copied.

 

[Brain357]

Why NY gun laws are limited. Federal laws are really needed.

The three agents then explained that about 80 percent of the crime guns found in New York City come from out of state. That makes sense; after all, New Jersey and Connecticut are within commuting distance of New York City. They also said the average “time to crime” (the time it takes for a gun sold from a gun dealer to make it to a criminal’s hands and then to a crime scene) is 12 to 13 years in New York City. “In that time a handgun could easily go through four or more owners,” said Agent Mulham.

No, what is needed is NY laws have to be declared unconstitutional and my rights restored to me. All the laws in NY do is stop ME from having a firearm, they do nothing to stop criminals from having them.

When criminals have to get 80% of guns from out of state the laws are working. It's the other states that need stronger laws.

If that were so those other states would show higher crime rates. But they dont.
Oops.

No they wouldn't. New York is a huge city. Crime rates are always higher in large cities. Try again.

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh look. Here's an article with an interview w ATF agents saying just what i've said all along. Straw purchases account for some number of illegal guns. Hey, let's make straw purchases illegal!
Inside the Black Market for Guns - Forbes

Your link seems to agree with me actually:
“Sometimes,” said Agent Zamaloff, “guns out there,” he waved his right hand at 35thfloor windows and the New York City streets below, “are found at a crime scene soon after being sold at a store. The gun, of course, was sold to someone who doesn’t have a criminal record—a straw purchaser. The straw purchaser buys the gun for someone who can’t. Sometimes a straw purchaser will even learn that a gun has turned up in a crime and will quickly report it as being stolen; either way, this gives us a chance to open and possibly broaden an investigation into what might be a number of individuals involved in a gunrunning ring.”

Can't get away with being a straw purchaser if guns are registered and every sale requires a background check.

First off the paragraph you quoted supports me. If they find a gun at a scene they have no idea how it got there.
Second, how will registering guns and requiring background checks (which are already required btw) stop straw purchases? Do you even know what a straw purchase is?

See answers in what you just copied.

Reading is fundamental.
There is little way to tell if a purchase is a straw purchase. Actually if the people involved have half a brain there is no way to tell.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why NY gun laws are limited. Federal laws are really needed.

The three agents then explained that about 80 percent of the crime guns found in New York City come from out of state. That makes sense; after all, New Jersey and Connecticut are within commuting distance of New York City. They also said the average “time to crime” (the time it takes for a gun sold from a gun dealer to make it to a criminal’s hands and then to a crime scene) is 12 to 13 years in New York City. “In that time a handgun could easily go through four or more owners,” said Agent Mulham.

No, what is needed is NY laws have to be declared unconstitutional and my rights restored to me. All the laws in NY do is stop ME from having a firearm, they do nothing to stop criminals from having them.

When criminals have to get 80% of guns from out of state the laws are working. It's the other states that need stronger laws.

If that were so those other states would show higher crime rates. But they dont.
Oops.

No they wouldn't. New York is a huge city. Crime rates are always higher in large cities. Try again.

The states the guns come from are bigger than NYC. So your argument is a failure.

 

[Brain357]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

Stiffening gun laws only makes it harder for victims to buy a gun.

Criminals can always get a gun and if you know that everyone's not packing heat your average criminal isn't afraid of committing crimes.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet the murder rate is still thru the roof. You can't own a handgun in New York yet violent crimes are at epidemic levels. Most mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.

The list goes on and on.

Gun ownership seems harder on legal owners than criminals. About 600 accidental deaths a year vs only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. Making guns harder to get should save lives.

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

 

[Brain357]

Why NY gun laws are limited. Federal laws are really needed.

The three agents then explained that about 80 percent of the crime guns found in New York City come from out of state. That makes sense; after all, New Jersey and Connecticut are within commuting distance of New York City. They also said the average “time to crime” (the time it takes for a gun sold from a gun dealer to make it to a criminal’s hands and then to a crime scene) is 12 to 13 years in New York City. “In that time a handgun could easily go through four or more owners,” said Agent Mulham.

No, what is needed is NY laws have to be declared unconstitutional and my rights restored to me. All the laws in NY do is stop ME from having a firearm, they do nothing to stop criminals from having them.

When criminals have to get 80% of guns from out of state the laws are working. It's the other states that need stronger laws.

If that were so those other states would show higher crime rates. But they dont.
Oops.

No they wouldn't. New York is a huge city. Crime rates are always higher in large cities. Try again.

The states the guns come from are bigger than NYC. So your argument is a failure.

They have bigger cities than NYC? Really?

 

[turtledude]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

delusions. crooks won't go through background checks anymore than addicts buy their drugs from pharmacies

when it fails, you will demand more gun laws

The reason why they don't go through background checks is because there's a loophole in the federal law big enough to drive a Mack truck through. All this law does is close those loopholes.

If they have to go through a background check no matter who they buy from, they're they're much less likely to get a gun.

If you say that this law won't do anything then why are you so upset that the law passed? If it's a worthless law you shouldn't have any problem with it.

We are upset because we know you ***** ass progressives won't stop here. you never do. You are gutless cowards who want to trample on our rights, and the sooner your are 1) irrelevant) or 2) die, this country will be a better place.

The law is impossible to enforce without registration. So guess what's coming down the road in the next political cycle. And of course registration will lead to banning, as it always does.
That is the way of statists: you pass a law to deal with a problem. THe law invariably does not solve the probllen, often making it worse. So you pass another stronger law. That law has unintended consequences that create other problems. So you pass more laws to deal with those problems. And each time liberty is eroded, power is concentrated in teh hands of a few and the basic problem doesnt get solved.

the purpose of gun control laws is to harass gun owners for their politics and/or to appease people who dislike guns or are so stupid as to believe gun control controls criminals. The fact that such laws do not deter crime matters not since that has nothing to do with the motivation behind the laws

 

[turtledude]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

Stiffening gun laws only makes it harder for victims to buy a gun.

Criminals can always get a gun and if you know that everyone's not packing heat your average criminal isn't afraid of committing crimes.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet the murder rate is still thru the roof. You can't own a handgun in New York yet violent crimes are at epidemic levels. Most mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.

The list goes on and on.

Gun ownership seems harder on legal owners than criminals. About 600 accidental deaths a year vs only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. Making guns harder to get should save lives.

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

gun control only disarms good people so that is why we oppose gun control. the two scenarios are armed potential victims or DISARMED potential victims. We choose the former, you all want the latter.

 

[Brain357]

Oh look. Here's an article with an interview w ATF agents saying just what i've said all along. Straw purchases account for some number of illegal guns. Hey, let's make straw purchases illegal!
Inside the Black Market for Guns - Forbes

Your link seems to agree with me actually:
“Sometimes,” said Agent Zamaloff, “guns out there,” he waved his right hand at 35thfloor windows and the New York City streets below, “are found at a crime scene soon after being sold at a store. The gun, of course, was sold to someone who doesn’t have a criminal record—a straw purchaser. The straw purchaser buys the gun for someone who can’t. Sometimes a straw purchaser will even learn that a gun has turned up in a crime and will quickly report it as being stolen; either way, this gives us a chance to open and possibly broaden an investigation into what might be a number of individuals involved in a gunrunning ring.”

Can't get away with being a straw purchaser if guns are registered and every sale requires a background check.

First off the paragraph you quoted supports me. If they find a gun at a scene they have no idea how it got there.
Second, how will registering guns and requiring background checks (which are already required btw) stop straw purchases? Do you even know what a straw purchase is?

See answers in what you just copied.

Reading is fundamental.
There is little way to tell if a purchase is a straw purchase. Actually if the people involved have half a brain there is no way to tell.

Your own link makes it clear straw purchases happen a lot. Thanks for sharing.

 

[turtledude]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

delusions. crooks won't go through background checks anymore than addicts buy their drugs from pharmacies

when it fails, you will demand more gun laws

The reason why they don't go through background checks is because there's a loophole in the federal law big enough to drive a Mack truck through. All this law does is close those loopholes.

If they have to go through a background check no matter who they buy from, they're they're much less likely to get a gun.

If you say that this law won't do anything then why are you so upset that the law passed? If it's a worthless law you shouldn't have any problem with it.

not a loophole moron. for 200 years there was no such requirement

congress only had the VOTES and the Interstate commerce clause power to make federally licensed dealers conduct background checks

 

[Brain357]

All gun sales in the state of Washington will now have to go through a background check. It passed with 60% majority. I voted with the majority.

So now it will be harder for criminals, those with mental problems and domestic abusers to get a gun. They won't be able to do it legally in the state of Washington anymore.

Interesting, when it's put to the vote of the people, background checks passes. Clearly the people of our nation want all gun sales to go through a background check. Too bad that the nra can buy gop politicians to prevent the same law at the federal level.

Lives will be saved in Washington because of this law.

Voters approve expanded gun background checks in Washington state - Local - MyNorthwest.com

Stiffening gun laws only makes it harder for victims to buy a gun.

Criminals can always get a gun and if you know that everyone's not packing heat your average criminal isn't afraid of committing crimes.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet the murder rate is still thru the roof. You can't own a handgun in New York yet violent crimes are at epidemic levels. Most mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.

The list goes on and on.

Gun ownership seems harder on legal owners than criminals. About 600 accidental deaths a year vs only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. Making guns harder to get should save lives.

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

gun control only disarms good people so that is why we oppose gun control. the two scenarios are armed potential victims or DISARMED potential victims. We choose the former, you all want the latter.

And you are more likely to be accidently shot and killed than to kill a criminal. You might want to rethink your position.

 

[turtledude]

Oh look. Here's an article with an interview w ATF agents saying just what i've said all along. Straw purchases account for some number of illegal guns. Hey, let's make straw purchases illegal!
Inside the Black Market for Guns - Forbes

Your link seems to agree with me actually:
“Sometimes,” said Agent Zamaloff, “guns out there,” he waved his right hand at 35thfloor windows and the New York City streets below, “are found at a crime scene soon after being sold at a store. The gun, of course, was sold to someone who doesn’t have a criminal record—a straw purchaser. The straw purchaser buys the gun for someone who can’t. Sometimes a straw purchaser will even learn that a gun has turned up in a crime and will quickly report it as being stolen; either way, this gives us a chance to open and possibly broaden an investigation into what might be a number of individuals involved in a gunrunning ring.”

Can't get away with being a straw purchaser if guns are registered and every sale requires a background check.

First off the paragraph you quoted supports me. If they find a gun at a scene they have no idea how it got there.
Second, how will registering guns and requiring background checks (which are already required btw) stop straw purchases? Do you even know what a straw purchase is?

See answers in what you just copied.

Reading is fundamental.
There is little way to tell if a purchase is a straw purchase. Actually if the people involved have half a brain there is no way to tell.

Your own link makes it clear straw purchases happen a lot. Thanks for sharing.

already illegal to do that

 

[turtledude]

Stiffening gun laws only makes it harder for victims to buy a gun.

Criminals can always get a gun and if you know that everyone's not packing heat your average criminal isn't afraid of committing crimes.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet the murder rate is still thru the roof. You can't own a handgun in New York yet violent crimes are at epidemic levels. Most mass shootings occurred in gun-free zones.

The list goes on and on.

Gun ownership seems harder on legal owners than criminals. About 600 accidental deaths a year vs only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. Making guns harder to get should save lives.

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

gun control only disarms good people so that is why we oppose gun control. the two scenarios are armed potential victims or DISARMED potential victims. We choose the former, you all want the latter.

And you are more likely to be accidently shot and killed than to kill a criminal. You might want to rethink your position.

that assumes that killing the criminal is the only way you deter an attack with a gun

MORON

 

[2aguy]

Lefties think funny....

Registration will not stop any crime...period...actual research shows this...yet they want registration...

Back ground checks will not stop any crime or mass shooting...research shows this...yet they want back ground checks...


There is something wrong in a remote area of their brains that processes common sense, rational thought and just knowing what reality is....

 

[Brain357]

Gun ownership seems harder on legal owners than criminals. About 600 accidental deaths a year vs only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. Making guns harder to get should save lives.

Stick to one concept you ******* dolt. you are just proving you are a gun grabbing idiot. Also, considering most shootings are criminal on criminal, far more skells are killed than 230, those are only the legal ones.

Is that why you want criminals armed?

gun control only disarms good people so that is why we oppose gun control. the two scenarios are armed potential victims or DISARMED potential victims. We choose the former, you all want the latter.

And you are more likely to be accidently shot and killed than to kill a criminal. You might want to rethink your position.

that assumes that killing the criminal is the only way you deter an attack with a gun

MORON

No it assumes nothing. Just a fact. Moron.

 

[2aguy]

nd

you are more likely to be accidently shot and killed than to kill a criminal.

Actually Brain, you are wrong...you are more likely to accidentally shoot yourself or others if you abuse drugs and alcohol or are a criminal...and killing the criminal is not the goal of someone who wants a gun for self defense...despite what you anti gunners dream at night....

 

[Brain357]

Lefties think funny....

Registration will not stop any crime...period...actual research shows this...yet they want registration...

Back ground checks will not stop any crime or mass shooting...research shows this...yet they want back ground checks...


There is something wrong in a remote area of their brains that processes common sense, rational thought and just knowing what reality is....

Why do criminals in NY have to go out of state for guns if the laws don't work?

 

[2aguy]

What part of the fact that registration stops no crimes....at all...is so hard for you people to understand....?

What part of the fact that back ground checks do not stop criminals from getting guns is so hard for you people to understand...?



They do not stop one criminal from getting a gun or using it in a criminal way....what don't you people understand....?

 

[Brain357]

nd

you are more likely to be accidently shot and killed than to kill a criminal.

Actually Brain, you are wrong...you are more likely to accidentally shoot yourself or others if you abuse drugs and alcohol or are a criminal...and killing the criminal is not the goal of someone who wants a gun for self defense...despite what you anti gunners dream at night....

Can you prove that? Remember the Uzi? Did that fall into your categories?

 

[Brain357]

What part of the fact that registration stops no crimes....at all...is so hard for you people to understand....?

What part of the fact that back ground checks do not stop criminals from getting guns is so hard for you people to understand...?



They do not stop one criminal from getting a gun or using it in a criminal way....what don't you people understand....?

It makes it harder, that's why criminals in NY have to go out of state. Now if we had federal laws they couldn't do that.