Ground Offensive....?

[Phoenall]

Would that be because Palestine IS occupied perhaps?

Well a great part of Palestine is occupied by Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon. This leaves Israel with 2% of the original Palestine and the balestinians with 1.9%. So will you be demanding these nations give up their occupation and give the land back to the balestinians.

 

[docmauser1]

I needed to vent a little frustration and knew I would find bigots, racists and dumbasses here to vent it on...

Ah, palistanian angst.

 

[Humanity]

Would that be because Palestine IS occupied perhaps?

Well a great part of Palestine is occupied by Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon. This leaves Israel with 2% of the original Palestine and the balestinians with 1.9%. So will you be demanding these nations give up their occupation and give the land back to the balestinians.

"I know what I will do, I will apply the code of BS and regurgitate the same old crap I always regurgitate so that at least I will believe what I am saying even if everyone else knows its BS"

Try and apply a little more intelligence when posting comments!

 

[Phoenall]

Calling Israel illegal pretty much takes off the mask as I said in the first post, you are pro-Palestinian in disguise of neutral humanitarian.
You can see the none-pro-Israeli media right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBkazXb0wCg&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g

And you can also realize that this kind of people, does not have the right to exist.
So tell me, who declared Israel as Terrorists?

I don't know who originally coined the term but you hear it all the time all over the world.

Only from ISLAMONAZIS, NEO MARXISTS and NAZI WHITE SUPREMACISTS. The rest of humanity see Israel as the victim yet again.

Now which authoritive entity has declared Israel to be terrorist outside of islam. Which UN resolution implicates Israel AS A TERRORIST NATION as it does with hamas

 

[Phoenall]

Humanity, please watch the following video. Dr. Prager gives about a 5 minute explanation of the Israeli-Palestinian problem. As he says, it is probably the easiest conflict in the world to explain. One side wants the other side dead. The Israelis want to have their Jewish state and live in peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDW88CBo-8

Dennis Prager?

Git out the hip boots maw, the shit is gettin' deep.

Several lies in here. Israel's cornerstone lie is @ 4:55

Then produce the evidence of this state and the signatures of the Palestinian leaders that signed away the Jewish rights.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Calling Israel illegal pretty much takes off the mask as I said in the first post, you are pro-Palestinian in disguise of neutral humanitarian.
You can see the none-pro-Israeli media right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBkazXb0wCg&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g

And you can also realize that this kind of people, does not have the right to exist.
So tell me, who declared Israel as Terrorists?

I don't know who originally coined the term but you hear it all the time all over the world.

Only from ISLAMONAZIS, NEO MARXISTS and NAZI WHITE SUPREMACISTS. The rest of humanity see Israel as the victim yet again.

Now which authoritive entity has declared Israel to be terrorist outside of islam. Which UN resolution implicates Israel AS A TERRORIST NATION as it does with hamas

Pfffft!

 

[Phoenall]

[MENTION=21837]P F Tinmore[/MENTION], your video is very disturbing, and I can see how someone who is ill-informed about the nature of Hamas would have the gullibility to think this was an outrageous atrocity by Israel. What you may not know is, Hamas intentionally puts it's people into harms way, using them as "human shields" as they move military resources here and there or prepare to launch attacks on Israel. It is a battle tactic they've always used.

In every attack Israel has launched in retaliation on forces in Gaza, they have attempted to warn civilians first. Hamas makes this almost impossible. Meanwhile, Hamas repeatedly launches missiles into Israel without warning, in defiance of humanitarian cease fire agreements, and with impunity.

They will continue to exploit their own people by creating these dangerous situations, then filming the consequences and appealing to the ignorant.

Standard Israeli bullshit.

Israel sang that same song in Lebanon when they were bombing the crap out of civilians and civilian infrastructure.

Were did Hezbollah fire its rockets from in Lebanon, why don't you ask a Lebanese Christian who would have been there and forced to be a human shield.

 

[toastman]

[MENTION=21837]P F Tinmore[/MENTION], your video is very disturbing, and I can see how someone who is ill-informed about the nature of Hamas would have the gullibility to think this was an outrageous atrocity by Israel. What you may not know is, Hamas intentionally puts it's people into harms way, using them as "human shields" as they move military resources here and there or prepare to launch attacks on Israel. It is a battle tactic they've always used.

In every attack Israel has launched in retaliation on forces in Gaza, they have attempted to warn civilians first. Hamas makes this almost impossible. Meanwhile, Hamas repeatedly launches missiles into Israel without warning, in defiance of humanitarian cease fire agreements, and with impunity.

They will continue to exploit their own people by creating these dangerous situations, then filming the consequences and appealing to the ignorant.

Standard Israeli bullshit.

Israel sang that same song in Lebanon when they were bombing the crap out of civilians and civilian infrastructure.

Were did Hezbollah fire its rockets from in Lebanon, why don't you ask a Lebanese Christian who would have been there and forced to be a human shield.

Tinmore is EXTREMELY biased. The only thing he comprehends is that everything Israel does is had and everything the Palestinians do is goos and justified.

 

[Daniyel]

Or why won't you ask what are the relationship/similar motives between Hamas and Hezbollah? This seem like a fair question every 'Neutral' person would ask.

 

[Phoenall]

Boss...

So, have a Jewish state.... I welcome it!

Just get the hell out of territory that was never constituted Israeli...

It's that simple....

Then and ONLY then can Israel become the victim...

If Israel pulled out of occupied territory and tried to live peacefully but was attacked by Hamas or whoever the I for one would support Israel all the way in retaliation!

The occupation is LEGAL as proclaimed by the ICJ, so why should Israel hand the Palestinians the means to mass murder tens of thousands by removing their defensive barrier. It is there because of the Palestinians inability to live peacefully and not engage in suicide bombing of Israeli children. You get the Palestinians to pledge no more attacks and mutual borders and Israel will leave the west bank to its own devices

Occupation is ILLEGAL under international law... Where did ICJ proclaim legality?

Israel will never remove its settlers from occupied territory, they would lose too much face!

When the UN made contact about a Judicial revue before going to the expense of having a full blown trial. The ICJ looked at the customary International law and the Geneva conventions and gave their verdict that the occupation was legal and within the framework of the Geneva conventions.

lets start with a preamble that sets the scene Judicially ,

Examination reveals how over the years UN General Assembly resolutions and the wording of resolutions by sub-committees moves from “territories” to “occupied territories” to “Occupied Territories” and “Arab territories” to “occupied Palestinian territories” to “Occupied Palestinian Territory” and “occupied Palestinian territory, including Jerusalem”:
•Resolution 3236 (XXIX)9 passed in November 1974 speaks of “the question of Palestine”;
•Resolution 38/5810 in December 1983 speaks of “Arab territories” and “occupied territories”;
•Resolution 43/17611 passed in December 1988 expresses sentiments suggesting Palestinian entitlement – speaking of “the Palestinian people[’s] right to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967”;
•Resolution 51/13312 passed in December 1996 adds Jerusalem in particular – speaking of “occupied Palestinian territory, including Jerusalem, and the occupied Syrian Golan”;
•Resolution 52/25013 passed in July 1998 fully “assigns title” – speaking of “Occupied Palestinian Territory,” a designation that is frequently used in subsequent resolutions.

None of these terms have a legal foundation any more than declaring “the world is flat” makes it so. Yet, the International Court of Justice cites these terms as if they were legal documents, all in violation of the Court’s Statute.

It should be noted that the coining of the term “Occupied Palestinian Territory” by the General Assembly, and all the more so its ‘adoption’ by the International Court of Justice, is contrary to, and totally incompatible with, Article 12 of the UN Charter which states:


“While the Security Council is exercising in respect of any dispute or situation the functions assigned to it in the present Charter, the General Assembly shall not make any recommendation with regard to that dispute or situation unless the Security Council so requests” [italics by author].


So the first thing we see is that the UN overstepped the mark and made illegal remarks contrary to its own charter.

International law allows for “just wars” and “lawful occupation.”
Resolutions 242 and 338 (discussed in Chapter 8) are the cornerstones for how a “just and lasting peace” should be achieved. The term ‘Occupied Palestinian Territory’ does not appear in either, not even the term ‘occupied territory.’ Resolution 242 affirms that:


“… fulfillment of the Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”


UN Charter and Article 80.
International law, the UN Charter, and specifically Article 80 of the UN Charter implicitly recognize the “Mandate for Palestine” of the League of Nations. This Mandate granted Jews the irrevocable right to settle in the area of Palestine, anywhere between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Rostow explains:


“This right is protected by Article 80 of the United Nations Charter. The Mandates of the League of Nations have a special status in international law, considered to be trusts, indeed ‘sacred trusts.’

“Under international law, neither Jordan nor the Palestinian Arab ‘people’ of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have a substantial claim to the sovereign possession of the occupied territories.”22

It is interesting to learn how Article 80 made its way into the UN Charter. Professor Rostow recalls:


“I am indebted to my learned friend Dr. Paul Riebenfeld, who has for many years been my mentor on the history of Zionism, for reminding me of some of the circumstances which led to the adoption of Article 80 of the Charter. Strong Jewish delegations representing differing political tendencies within Jewry attended the San Francisco Conference in 1945. Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Peter Bergson, Eliahu Elath, Professors Ben-Zion Netanayu and A. S. Yehuda, and Harry Selden were among the Jewish representatives. Their mission was to protect the Jewish right of settlement in Palestine under the mandate against erosion in a world of ambitious states. Article 80 was the result of their efforts.”



So there you have it under the UN charters Article 80 Israel is legally occupying the west bank and is legally building the settlements. So any problems take them up with the UN

 

[Phoenall]

Daniyel

I think I made it quite clear in my post that I was no longer neutral on this issue, I do not think that this is the time to 'sit on the fence'.

Had you read my post correctly you would see that the "IF" was how I used to believe this situation would cease. I made it clear that I was wrong to think that, it is Israel who needs to act responsibly and withdraw from Gaza and Palestine and stop the 'posturing'.

I do not think that Hamas SHOULD "surrender" to an invader, I'm quite sure that MOST countries who were living under occupation, under control of another country would never give in.

Unfortunately, compared to the inhabitants of Gaza I DO live in a wonderland... It's a pace called Europe.

I make no apology for my decision to support Gaza and the Palestinian people. I just hope that there is more support from countries against this latest invasion.

You were never "neutral".

And you know me do you?

As I said, I made it clear that I USED to be neutral...

I cannot see how ANYONE can be neutral now with this escalation!

It's time to stand up and be counted on whichever side you choose....

I made my choice, same as your? Unlikely but thats ok...

So you support and defend Islamic terrorism and the murder of children in the name of islam ?

 

[Phoenall]

Would that be because Palestine IS occupied perhaps?

Well a great part of Palestine is occupied by Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon. This leaves Israel with 2% of the original Palestine and the balestinians with 1.9%. So will you be demanding these nations give up their occupation and give the land back to the balestinians.

"I know what I will do, I will apply the code of BS and regurgitate the same old crap I always regurgitate so that at least I will believe what I am saying even if everyone else knows its BS"

Try and apply a little more intelligence when posting comments!

Maybe if you did your research a little bit better and looked at all the facts you would not show that you are a complete and utter idiot. try looking at the LoN mandate for some clues of the extent of Palestine, and maybe you will see that far from Israel occupying Palestine it is arab muslims occupying Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

I don't know who originally coined the term but you hear it all the time all over the world.

Only from ISLAMONAZIS, NEO MARXISTS and NAZI WHITE SUPREMACISTS. The rest of humanity see Israel as the victim yet again.

Now which authoritive entity has declared Israel to be terrorist outside of islam. Which UN resolution implicates Israel AS A TERRORIST NATION as it does with hamas

Pfffft!

Whats wrong tinny have I painted you into the corner again

 

[Hossfly]

You were never "neutral".

And you know me do you?

As I said, I made it clear that I USED to be neutral...

I cannot see how ANYONE can be neutral now with this escalation!

It's time to stand up and be counted on whichever side you choose....

I made my choice, same as your? Unlikely but thats ok...

So you support and defend Islamic terrorism and the murder of children in the name of islam ?

Emphatically and with enthusiam.

 

[Hossfly]

[MENTION=21837]P F Tinmore[/MENTION], your video is very disturbing, and I can see how someone who is ill-informed about the nature of Hamas would have the gullibility to think this was an outrageous atrocity by Israel. What you may not know is, Hamas intentionally puts it's people into harms way, using them as "human shields" as they move military resources here and there or prepare to launch attacks on Israel. It is a battle tactic they've always used.

In every attack Israel has launched in retaliation on forces in Gaza, they have attempted to warn civilians first. Hamas makes this almost impossible. Meanwhile, Hamas repeatedly launches missiles into Israel without warning, in defiance of humanitarian cease fire agreements, and with impunity.

They will continue to exploit their own people by creating these dangerous situations, then filming the consequences and appealing to the ignorant.

Standard Israeli bullshit.

Israel sang that same song in Lebanon when they were bombing the crap out of civilians and civilian infrastructure.

Were did Hezbollah fire its rockets from in Lebanon, why don't you ask a Lebanese Christian who would have been there and forced to be a human shield.

Aris has more expertise on Lebanon than anyone here.

 

[member]

Ah sorry, didn't mean to keep you waiting....

If you are looking to apportion blame and then find a peace solution then there is only one...Israel...If Israel withdrew from occupied lands then that would be a good start would you not agree? Until that time there will always be 'issues'.

If Israel pulled out of all occupied territory then and only then could Israel become the 'innocent'.

Unfortunately that won't happen because of the expansionist aspirations of the Israeli government.

So, rather than Ham driving at a wall, why not Israelis start driving out of occupied territory?

"If Israel pulled out of [all] occupied territory then and only then could Israel become the 'innocent'. Unfortunately that won't happen. . ."





...one 'terrortory at a time. gaza. they un-occupied it -- once it was in the hands of "palestinians" - they didn't build up that beachfront property by opening up restaurants, hotels, installing a boardwalk, instead they are turning it into ...rubble.

 

[member]

Ah sorry, didn't mean to keep you waiting....

If you are looking to apportion blame and then find a peace solution then there is only one...

Israel...

If Israel withdrew from occupied lands then that would be a good start would you not agree?

Until that time there will always be 'issues'.

If Israel pulled out of all occupied territory then and only then could Israel become the 'innocent'.

Unfortunately that won't happen because of the expansionist aspirations of the Israeli government.

So, rather than Ham driving at a wall, why not Israelis start driving out of occupied territory?

"If Israel withdrew from occupied lands then that would be a good start would you not agree?"

​

 

[irosie91]

Ah sorry, didn't mean to keep you waiting....

If you are looking to apportion blame and then find a peace solution then there is only one...Israel...If Israel withdrew from occupied lands then that would be a good start would you not agree? Until that time there will always be 'issues'.

If Israel pulled out of all occupied territory then and only then could Israel become the 'innocent'.

Unfortunately that won't happen because of the expansionist aspirations of the Israeli government.

So, rather than Ham driving at a wall, why not Israelis start driving out of occupied territory?

"If Israel pulled out of [all] occupied territory then and only then could Israel become the 'innocent'. Unfortunately that won't happen. . ."





...one 'terrortory at a time. gaza. they un-occupied it -- once it was in the hands of "palestinians" - they didn't build up that beachfront property by opening up restaurants, hotels, installing a boardwalk, instead they are turning it into ...rubble.

"human" dear----try to learn some history-----Israel has no borders-----the dogs and
sows of the ummah including those dogs and pigs surrounding Israel never recognized
its existence. Thus there is no "occupied" territory Once the borders are determined
and the dogs and pigs confine live on their side of the border------your evaluation
will make sense

 

[fanger]

Only from ISLAMONAZIS, NEO MARXISTS and NAZI WHITE SUPREMACISTS. The rest of humanity see Israel as the victim yet again.

Now which authoritive entity has declared Israel to be terrorist outside of islam. Which UN resolution implicates Israel AS A TERRORIST NATION as it does with hamas

Pfffft!

Whats wrong tinny have I painted you into the corner again

No UN resolution has declared Hamas a terrorist Nation

Here, however is a list of UN resolutions pertaining to Israel, May be slow to load as it runs page after page
List of the UN resolutions concerning Israel and Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[member]

Boss...

So, have a Jewish state.... I welcome it!

Just get the hell out of territory that was never constituted Israeli...

It's that simple....

Then and ONLY then can Israel become the victim...

If Israel pulled out of occupied territory and tried to live peacefully but was attacked by Hamas or whoever the I for one would support Israel all the way in retaliation!

"If Israel pulled out of occupied territory. . ." (they did, gaza, hey, "it was a start.")

" . . .and tried to live peacefully but was attacked by Hamas or whoever the I for one would support Israel all the way in retaliation!