Ground Offensive....?

[Daniyel]

Phoenall - Where I choose to live in Europe and my "nations emblem" is of no consequence in this discussion... If you MUST put a 'label' on me then let's say I am a white, middle class European.

Challenger - It sounds our 'stories' match pretty well. I am not put off by insults and belligerent comments from zionists OR Muslims for that matter.

I find it a real shame that those who choose to throw insults, those who choose to not actually read what I have written.

Maybe you should watch what Sir Gerald Kaufman has to say in relation to Gaza

youtube.com/watch?v=u_8cWD-XHlY

It should not be about religion it should be about humanity!

Thanks for the link, I've always admired Gerald Kaufman although I've not always agreed with his politics, I have nevertheless always found him to be a man of principle and integrity. This is one of his best speeches

Those who throw the most insults (and I think you've 'met' most of them now) should be treated as background noise, "all sound and fury, signifying nothing."

So what? I can give you another 10 examples of Jews saying the opposite, anyway this fella is surely not the judge and done nothing except talking, but he is definitely pro-Palestinian and NEVER BEEN IN ISRAEL AT ALL

 

[Hossfly]

Phoenall - Where I choose to live in Europe and my "nations emblem" is of no consequence in this discussion... If you MUST put a 'label' on me then let's say I am a white, middle class European.

Challenger - It sounds our 'stories' match pretty well. I am not put off by insults and belligerent comments from zionists OR Muslims for that matter.

I find it a real shame that those who choose to throw insults, those who choose to not actually read what I have written.

Maybe you should watch what Sir Gerald Kaufman has to say in relation to Gaza

youtube.com/watch?v=u_8cWD-XHlY

It should not be about religion it should be about humanity!

Thanks for the link, I've always admired Gerald Kaufman although I've not always agreed with his politics, I have nevertheless always found him to be a man of principle and integrity. This is one of his best speeches

Those who throw the most insults (and I think you've 'met' most of them now) should be treated as background noise, "all sound and fury, signifying nothing."

So what? I can give you another 10 examples of Jews saying the opposite, anyway this fella is surely not the judge and done nothing except talking, but he is definitely pro-Palestinian and NEVER BEEN IN ISRAEL AT ALL

A British Jew, 84 years old, who equates Israel with Nazis, is a pro-Palestinian and blames Israel for Pali atrocities isn't worth much in my book.

 

[Humanity]

Another poster who thinks the sun shine from his ass.

Gutta love those.

How so?

Because you think Hamas has the right to exist. It doesn't. Hamas is cockroaches, flies and maggots.

And who made you God Hossfly?

Everyone has the right to exist.

 

[Daniyel]

How so?

Because you think Hamas has the right to exist. It doesn't. Hamas is cockroaches, flies and maggots.

And who made you God Hossfly?

Everyone has the right to exist.

Not everyone has the right to exist.

 

[Humanity]

Phoenall - Where I choose to live in Europe and my "nations emblem" is of no consequence in this discussion... If you MUST put a 'label' on me then let's say I am a white, middle class European.

Challenger - It sounds our 'stories' match pretty well. I am not put off by insults and belligerent comments from zionists OR Muslims for that matter.

I find it a real shame that those who choose to throw insults, those who choose to not actually read what I have written.

Maybe you should watch what Sir Gerald Kaufman has to say in relation to Gaza

youtube.com/watch?v=u_8cWD-XHlY

It should not be about religion it should be about humanity!

Then you are a LIAR and will no doubt be some olive skinned ISLAMONAZI that reads from the script provided by the imam.
You just sealed your fate by producing the video of one ISLAMONAZI talking to a NEO MARXIST on Russian internet T.V. Yes Galloway is despised and hated by everyone in the UK and will find himself out of work next year. Thanks for showing your true colours and allegiances to NEO MARXISM and ISLAMONAZIS both working towards a common goal of world domination and eradication of all other ideologies.

Galloway has incredible support in the UK and you are nothing more than a bigoted racist, fact.

As you have shown your true colours you words now mean nothing!

Congratulations!

 

[Daniyel]

One side propaganda in disguise of neutral.
You mentioning to the "IF" Hamas would stop, right now I don't see how Hamas surrendering nor accepting ceasefire so that if is a big if.
Hope you enjoy wonderland,
Danny.

Daniyel

I think I made it quite clear in my post that I was no longer neutral on this issue, I do not think that this is the time to 'sit on the fence'.

Had you read my post correctly you would see that the "IF" was how I used to believe this situation would cease. I made it clear that I was wrong to think that, it is Israel who needs to act responsibly and withdraw from Gaza and Palestine and stop the 'posturing'.

I do not think that Hamas SHOULD "surrender" to an invader, I'm quite sure that MOST countries who were living under occupation, under control of another country would never give in.

Unfortunately, compared to the inhabitants of Gaza I DO live in a wonderland... It's a pace called Europe.

I make no apology for my decision to support Gaza and the Palestinian people. I just hope that there is more support from countries against this latest invasion.

Anyway I'm not aware of what you know or what you don't but let me draw it metaphorically and you be the judge,
Israel is a wall - possessing high technologies and defensive systems.
Hamas is the responsible parent of Gaza - with a major support in Gaza.
Hamas is driving a car with kids in the back seat directly into the wall, -regarding of the Israeli tolerance over the years (which can be debatable) - Hamas continue driving again and again directly to that wall causing fatalities only in one side, from time to time the wall suffer casualties but lower than Hamas, so when Israel call for humanitarian ceasefire Hamas continue driving directly into that wall again and again..Who should we hold the blame for that?
Now how about I'll tell you some extra facts like Hamas using Human Shields, Hamas aiming 90%(99%) of the assaults only against civilians, Hamas giving false reports to the Gazans on the back seat, Hamas knows they are banned in Egypt, Hamas never bother sheltering or warning the people of Gaza for what will happen if they will continue driving directly to the wall , and I can go on with this, Who should we hold the blame?
bottom line in addition to that is, Israel accepted ALL ceasefire attempts before and will accept in the future with zero preconditions, are they out of their mind?! [MENTION=50048]Humanity[/MENTION]

Still waiting for an answer.

 

[Humanity]

Phoenall - Where I choose to live in Europe and my "nations emblem" is of no consequence in this discussion... If you MUST put a 'label' on me then let's say I am a white, middle class European.

Challenger - It sounds our 'stories' match pretty well. I am not put off by insults and belligerent comments from zionists OR Muslims for that matter.

I find it a real shame that those who choose to throw insults, those who choose to not actually read what I have written.

Maybe you should watch what Sir Gerald Kaufman has to say in relation to Gaza

youtube.com/watch?v=u_8cWD-XHlY

It should not be about religion it should be about humanity!

Thanks for the link, I've always admired Gerald Kaufman although I've not always agreed with his politics, I have nevertheless always found him to be a man of principle and integrity. This is one of his best speeches youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

Those who throw the most insults (and I think you've 'met' most of them now) should be treated as background noise, "all sound and fury, signifying nothing."

So what? I can give you another 10 examples of Jews saying the opposite, anyway this fella is surely not the judge and done nothing except talking, but he is definitely pro-Palestinian and NEVER BEEN IN ISRAEL AT ALL

Fact - Sir Gerald Kaufman HAS been to Israel!

You can actually find 10 examples of Jews saying the opposite? No shit Sherlock!

And, are you saying that you have to have visited Israel to be a 'proper' Jew?

 

[Humanity]

Because you think Hamas has the right to exist. It doesn't. Hamas is cockroaches, flies and maggots.

And who made you God Hossfly?

Everyone has the right to exist.

Not everyone has the right to exist.

Do tell...

Who does not have the right to exist?

 

[Humanity]

Daniyel

I think I made it quite clear in my post that I was no longer neutral on this issue, I do not think that this is the time to 'sit on the fence'.

Had you read my post correctly you would see that the "IF" was how I used to believe this situation would cease. I made it clear that I was wrong to think that, it is Israel who needs to act responsibly and withdraw from Gaza and Palestine and stop the 'posturing'.

I do not think that Hamas SHOULD "surrender" to an invader, I'm quite sure that MOST countries who were living under occupation, under control of another country would never give in.

Unfortunately, compared to the inhabitants of Gaza I DO live in a wonderland... It's a pace called Europe.

I make no apology for my decision to support Gaza and the Palestinian people. I just hope that there is more support from countries against this latest invasion.

Anyway I'm not aware of what you know or what you don't but let me draw it metaphorically and you be the judge,
Israel is a wall - possessing high technologies and defensive systems.
Hamas is the responsible parent of Gaza - with a major support in Gaza.
Hamas is driving a car with kids in the back seat directly into the wall, -regarding of the Israeli tolerance over the years (which can be debatable) - Hamas continue driving again and again directly to that wall causing fatalities only in one side, from time to time the wall suffer casualties but lower than Hamas, so when Israel call for humanitarian ceasefire Hamas continue driving directly into that wall again and again..Who should we hold the blame for that?
Now how about I'll tell you some extra facts like Hamas using Human Shields, Hamas aiming 90%(99%) of the assaults only against civilians, Hamas giving false reports to the Gazans on the back seat, Hamas knows they are banned in Egypt, Hamas never bother sheltering or warning the people of Gaza for what will happen if they will continue driving directly to the wall , and I can go on with this, Who should we hold the blame?
bottom line in addition to that is, Israel accepted ALL ceasefire attempts before and will accept in the future with zero preconditions, are they out of their mind?! [MENTION=50048]Humanity[/MENTION]

Still waiting for an answer.

Ah sorry, didn't mean to keep you waiting....

If you are looking to apportion blame and then find a peace solution then there is only one...

Israel...

If Israel withdrew from occupied lands then that would be a good start would you not agree?

Until that time there will always be 'issues'.

If Israel pulled out of all occupied territory then and only then could Israel become the 'innocent'.

Unfortunately that won't happen because of the expansionist aspirations of the Israeli government.

So, rather than Ham driving at a wall, why not Israelis start driving out of occupied territory?

 

[Daniyel]

Thanks for the link, I've always admired Gerald Kaufman although I've not always agreed with his politics, I have nevertheless always found him to be a man of principle and integrity. This is one of his best speeches youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

Those who throw the most insults (and I think you've 'met' most of them now) should be treated as background noise, "all sound and fury, signifying nothing."

So what? I can give you another 10 examples of Jews saying the opposite, anyway this fella is surely not the judge and done nothing except talking, but he is definitely pro-Palestinian and NEVER BEEN IN ISRAEL AT ALL

Fact - Sir Gerald Kaufman HAS been to Israel!

You can actually find 10 examples of Jews saying the opposite? No shit Sherlock!

And, are you saying that you have to have visited Israel to be a 'proper' Jew?

Gerald Kaufman never been in Israel and he also said that himself, the fact is that by reading The Guardian and not being aware of what really happens in Israel you can come to think Israel is the one to blame, most media is continuously DE-legitimize Israel because nobody actually know what really happens here, including you, I'm saying something very simple, Gerald Kaufman also doesn't really care about Israel or Jews in common, he is just a liberal atheist who would sell his mother for extra bucks, and it also happened few times during the Nazis rule, but wait, who is the Nazis?

And no, I would never leave Israel, no matter how many people will tell me to, you won't convince me, not with de-legitimizing Israel, not with violence, not with everything, you can keep saying what the hell you want, I'm here to stay.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

:lol

One side propaganda in disguise of neutral.
You mentioning to the "IF" Hamas would stop, right now I don't see how Hamas surrendering nor accepting ceasefire so that if is a big if.
Hope you enjoy wonderland,
Danny.

Shit was obvious from the get go. Not to mention it's the oldest trick in the book right after"Looketh over there"

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

One side propaganda in disguise of neutral.
You mentioning to the "IF" Hamas would stop, right now I don't see how Hamas surrendering nor accepting ceasefire so that if is a big if.
Hope you enjoy wonderland,
Danny.

Daniyel

I think I made it quite clear in my post that I was no longer neutral on this issue, I do not think that this is the time to 'sit on the fence'.

Had you read my post correctly you would see that the "IF" was how I used to believe this situation would cease. I made it clear that I was wrong to think that, it is Israel who needs to act responsibly and withdraw from Gaza and Palestine and stop the 'posturing'.

I do not think that Hamas SHOULD "surrender" to an invader, I'm quite sure that MOST countries who were living under occupation, under control of another country would never give in.

Unfortunately, compared to the inhabitants of Gaza I DO live in a wonderland... It's a pace called Europe.

I make no apology for my decision to support Gaza and the Palestinian people. I just hope that there is more support from countries against this latest invasion.

Why do I have this nagging feeling you've never been neutral on this subject?
And I bet you have a crapload of other "Fence sitting" moments to tell us about....dollars to donuts they all fall to the left side of the fence.

 

[Humanity]

So what? I can give you another 10 examples of Jews saying the opposite, anyway this fella is surely not the judge and done nothing except talking, but he is definitely pro-Palestinian and NEVER BEEN IN ISRAEL AT ALL

Fact - Sir Gerald Kaufman HAS been to Israel!

You can actually find 10 examples of Jews saying the opposite? No shit Sherlock!

And, are you saying that you have to have visited Israel to be a 'proper' Jew?

Gerald Kaufman never been in Israel and he also said that himself, the fact is that by reading The Guardian and not being aware of what really happens in Israel you can come to think Israel is the one to blame, most media is continuously DE-legitimize Israel because nobody actually know what really happens here, including you, I'm saying something very simple, Gerald Kaufman also doesn't really care about Israel or Jews in common, he is just a liberal atheist who would sell his mother for extra bucks, and it also happened few times during the Nazis rule, but wait, who is the Nazis?

And no, I would never leave Israel, no matter how many people will tell me to, you won't convince me, not with de-legitimizing Israel, not with violence, not with everything, you can keep saying what the hell you want, I'm here to stay.

If you can be bothered to read... Clearly, Sir Gerald Kaufman HAS been to Israel MANY times!

middleeastmonitor.com/resources/commentary-and-analysis/1571-michael-white-in-conversation-with-sir-gerald-kaufman-mp

It also quite clearly shows that Sir Gerald Kaufman is NOT a "liberal atheist"...

I would be interested in reading ANY mainstream media that does NOT support Israel!

Israel should leave the territories that it currently illegally occupies and then there would be room for peace talks... Until then Israel will remain the 'bully' in the region.

Ooppss, sorry I forgot to cover one point you make... I actually don't want you to leave Israel... Never have done. I don't think that it was the smartest move in world history creating Israel but now that Israel does exist where it does, it should stay.

Oh, and I am still waiting to hear from you who does not have the right to exist.

 

[Phoenall]

Phoenall - Where I choose to live in Europe and my "nations emblem" is of no consequence in this discussion... If you MUST put a 'label' on me then let's say I am a white, middle class European.

Challenger - It sounds our 'stories' match pretty well. I am not put off by insults and belligerent comments from zionists OR Muslims for that matter.

I find it a real shame that those who choose to throw insults, those who choose to not actually read what I have written.

Maybe you should watch what Sir Gerald Kaufman has to say in relation to Gaza

youtube.com/watch?v=u_8cWD-XHlY

It should not be about religion it should be about humanity!

Then you are a LIAR and will no doubt be some olive skinned ISLAMONAZI that reads from the script provided by the imam.
You just sealed your fate by producing the video of one ISLAMONAZI talking to a NEO MARXIST on Russian internet T.V. Yes Galloway is despised and hated by everyone in the UK and will find himself out of work next year. Thanks for showing your true colours and allegiances to NEO MARXISM and ISLAMONAZIS both working towards a common goal of world domination and eradication of all other ideologies.

Galloway has incredible support in the UK and you are nothing more than a bigoted racist, fact.

As you have shown your true colours you words now mean nothing!

Congratulations!

He is despised by everyone but the looney left, those who see his support for terrorism as not being a problem. He was expelled from the Labour party because of his views and bringing the party into disrepute. The only support he has is from the hard line muslim extremists of Bradford who will rig the votes so he wins every election. He has been suspended from Parliament for his involvement in fraudulent dealings with Iraq, and thinks nothing of attacking anyone that crosses his path both verbally and physically.

 

[Phoenall]

And who made you God Hossfly?

Everyone has the right to exist.

Not everyone has the right to exist.

Do tell...

Who does not have the right to exist?

All terrorists that target children deliberately like hamas has admitted to doing.

 

[Phoenall]

Anyway I'm not aware of what you know or what you don't but let me draw it metaphorically and you be the judge,
Israel is a wall - possessing high technologies and defensive systems.
Hamas is the responsible parent of Gaza - with a major support in Gaza.
Hamas is driving a car with kids in the back seat directly into the wall, -regarding of the Israeli tolerance over the years (which can be debatable) - Hamas continue driving again and again directly to that wall causing fatalities only in one side, from time to time the wall suffer casualties but lower than Hamas, so when Israel call for humanitarian ceasefire Hamas continue driving directly into that wall again and again..Who should we hold the blame for that?
Now how about I'll tell you some extra facts like Hamas using Human Shields, Hamas aiming 90%(99%) of the assaults only against civilians, Hamas giving false reports to the Gazans on the back seat, Hamas knows they are banned in Egypt, Hamas never bother sheltering or warning the people of Gaza for what will happen if they will continue driving directly to the wall , and I can go on with this, Who should we hold the blame?
bottom line in addition to that is, Israel accepted ALL ceasefire attempts before and will accept in the future with zero preconditions, are they out of their mind?! [MENTION=50048]Humanity[/MENTION]

Still waiting for an answer.

Ah sorry, didn't mean to keep you waiting....

If you are looking to apportion blame and then find a peace solution then there is only one...

Israel...

If Israel withdrew from occupied lands then that would be a good start would you not agree?

Until that time there will always be 'issues'.

If Israel pulled out of all occupied territory then and only then could Israel become the 'innocent'.

Unfortunately that won't happen because of the expansionist aspirations of the Israeli government.

So, rather than Ham driving at a wall, why not Israelis start driving out of occupied territory?

You forget that Israel has driven out of Egyptian terrirtory that they occupied, then Jordanian territory that they occupied and lastly of gaza that they occupied. So they have show that they are prepared to meet the UN conditions and still the likes of you claim that it is the occupation that is causing the problems. When they drove out of gaza the arab muslims increased the number and severity of attacks targeting Jewish children. Showing that they have no interest in peace as that would mean giving up the violence and bloodshed they crave.

 

[Humanity]

Not everyone has the right to exist.

Do tell...

Who does not have the right to exist?

All terrorists that target children deliberately like hamas has admitted to doing.

Like Israel also...

There is plenty of evidence of atrocities on BOTH sides yet each side always forgets their own abominations... Convenient

 

[Daniyel]

Calling Israel illegal pretty much takes off the mask as I said in the first post, you are pro-Palestinian in disguise of neutral humanitarian.
You can see the none-pro-Israeli media right here:


And you can also realize that this kind of people, does not have the right to exist.
So tell me, who declared Israel as Terrorists?

 

[Slyhunter]

Anyway I'm not aware of what you know or what you don't but let me draw it metaphorically and you be the judge,
Israel is a wall - possessing high technologies and defensive systems.
Hamas is the responsible parent of Gaza - with a major support in Gaza.
Hamas is driving a car with kids in the back seat directly into the wall, -regarding of the Israeli tolerance over the years (which can be debatable) - Hamas continue driving again and again directly to that wall causing fatalities only in one side, from time to time the wall suffer casualties but lower than Hamas, so when Israel call for humanitarian ceasefire Hamas continue driving directly into that wall again and again..Who should we hold the blame for that?
Now how about I'll tell you some extra facts like Hamas using Human Shields, Hamas aiming 90%(99%) of the assaults only against civilians, Hamas giving false reports to the Gazans on the back seat, Hamas knows they are banned in Egypt, Hamas never bother sheltering or warning the people of Gaza for what will happen if they will continue driving directly to the wall , and I can go on with this, Who should we hold the blame?
bottom line in addition to that is, Israel accepted ALL ceasefire attempts before and will accept in the future with zero preconditions, are they out of their mind?! [MENTION=50048]Humanity[/MENTION]

Still waiting for an answer.

Ah sorry, didn't mean to keep you waiting....

If you are looking to apportion blame and then find a peace solution then there is only one...

Israel...

If Israel withdrew from occupied lands then that would be a good start would you not agree?

Until that time there will always be 'issues'.

If Israel pulled out of all occupied territory then and only then could Israel become the 'innocent'.

Unfortunately that won't happen because of the expansionist aspirations of the Israeli government.

So, rather than Ham driving at a wall, why not Israelis start driving out of occupied territory?

The Arabs consider all that Israel occupies as occupied lands. So for them to withdraw would be to erase themselves from the planet and that isn't going to happen.

 

[Humanity]

Daniyel

Can you show me where in my posts I called "Israel illegal"?