Ground Offensive....?

[fanger]

They already have a Jewish state
Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hossfly]

Pfffft!

Whats wrong tinny have I painted you into the corner again

No UN resolution has declared Hamas a terrorist Nation

Here, however is a list of UN resolutions pertaining to Israel, May be slow to load as it runs page after page
List of the UN resolutions concerning Israel and Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you a fan of Hamas or a Hamas backer, [MENTION=49167]fanger[/MENTION] ? If so you already know that the Hamas Charter calls for the obliteration of Israel and every Jew. Because the UN doesn't classify Hamas as terrorsts just goes to show that the UN approves of terrorism. It's an evil organization.

 

[fanger]

Whats wrong tinny have I painted you into the corner again

No UN resolution has declared Hamas a terrorist Nation

Here, however is a list of UN resolutions pertaining to Israel, May be slow to load as it runs page after page
List of the UN resolutions concerning Israel and Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you a fan of Hamas or a Hamas backer, [MENTION=49167]fanger[/MENTION] ? If so you already know that the Hamas Charter calls for the obliteration of Israel and every Jew. Because the UN doesn't classify Hamas as terrorsts just goes to show that the UN approves of terrorism. It's an evil organization.

I am a fan of the Truth, No UN resolution has declared Hamas a terrorist Nation, as Phonyall claimed

 

[member]

Whats wrong tinny have I painted you into the corner again

No UN resolution has declared Hamas a terrorist Nation

Here, however is a list of UN resolutions pertaining to Israel, May be slow to load as it runs page after page
List of the UN resolutions concerning Israel and Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you a fan of Hamas or a Hamas backer, [MENTION=49167]fanger[/MENTION] ? If so you already know that the Hamas Charter calls for the obliteration of Israel and every Jew. Because the UN doesn't classify Hamas as terrorsts just goes to show that the UN approves of terrorism. It's an evil organization.

saluti !

 

[aris2chat]

Standard Israeli bullshit.

Israel sang that same song in Lebanon when they were bombing the crap out of civilians and civilian infrastructure.

Were did Hezbollah fire its rockets from in Lebanon, why don't you ask a Lebanese Christian who would have been there and forced to be a human shield.

Aris has more expertise on Lebanon than anyone here.

The rocket fire from costal road near tyre was palestinian not hezbullah

 

[Humanity]

The occupation is LEGAL as proclaimed by the ICJ, so why should Israel hand the Palestinians the means to mass murder tens of thousands by removing their defensive barrier. It is there because of the Palestinians inability to live peacefully and not engage in suicide bombing of Israeli children. You get the Palestinians to pledge no more attacks and mutual borders and Israel will leave the west bank to its own devices

Occupation is ILLEGAL under international law... Where did ICJ proclaim legality?

Israel will never remove its settlers from occupied territory, they would lose too much face!

When the UN made contact about a Judicial revue before going to the expense of having a full blown trial. The ICJ looked at the customary International law and the Geneva conventions and gave their verdict that the occupation was legal and within the framework of the Geneva conventions.

lets start with a preamble that sets the scene Judicially ,

Examination reveals how over the years UN General Assembly resolutions and the wording of resolutions by sub-committees moves from “territories” to “occupied territories” to “Occupied Territories” and “Arab territories” to “occupied Palestinian territories” to “Occupied Palestinian Territory” and “occupied Palestinian territory, including Jerusalem”:
•Resolution 3236 (XXIX)9 passed in November 1974 speaks of “the question of Palestine”;
•Resolution 38/5810 in December 1983 speaks of “Arab territories” and “occupied territories”;
•Resolution 43/17611 passed in December 1988 expresses sentiments suggesting Palestinian entitlement – speaking of “the Palestinian people[’s] right to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967”;
•Resolution 51/13312 passed in December 1996 adds Jerusalem in particular – speaking of “occupied Palestinian territory, including Jerusalem, and the occupied Syrian Golan”;
•Resolution 52/25013 passed in July 1998 fully “assigns title” – speaking of “Occupied Palestinian Territory,” a designation that is frequently used in subsequent resolutions.

None of these terms have a legal foundation any more than declaring “the world is flat” makes it so. Yet, the International Court of Justice cites these terms as if they were legal documents, all in violation of the Court’s Statute.

It should be noted that the coining of the term “Occupied Palestinian Territory” by the General Assembly, and all the more so its ‘adoption’ by the International Court of Justice, is contrary to, and totally incompatible with, Article 12 of the UN Charter which states:


“While the Security Council is exercising in respect of any dispute or situation the functions assigned to it in the present Charter, the General Assembly shall not make any recommendation with regard to that dispute or situation unless the Security Council so requests” [italics by author].


So the first thing we see is that the UN overstepped the mark and made illegal remarks contrary to its own charter.

International law allows for “just wars” and “lawful occupation.”
Resolutions 242 and 338 (discussed in Chapter 8) are the cornerstones for how a “just and lasting peace” should be achieved. The term ‘Occupied Palestinian Territory’ does not appear in either, not even the term ‘occupied territory.’ Resolution 242 affirms that:


“… fulfillment of the Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”


UN Charter and Article 80.
International law, the UN Charter, and specifically Article 80 of the UN Charter implicitly recognize the “Mandate for Palestine” of the League of Nations. This Mandate granted Jews the irrevocable right to settle in the area of Palestine, anywhere between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Rostow explains:


“This right is protected by Article 80 of the United Nations Charter. The Mandates of the League of Nations have a special status in international law, considered to be trusts, indeed ‘sacred trusts.’

“Under international law, neither Jordan nor the Palestinian Arab ‘people’ of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have a substantial claim to the sovereign possession of the occupied territories.”22

It is interesting to learn how Article 80 made its way into the UN Charter. Professor Rostow recalls:


“I am indebted to my learned friend Dr. Paul Riebenfeld, who has for many years been my mentor on the history of Zionism, for reminding me of some of the circumstances which led to the adoption of Article 80 of the Charter. Strong Jewish delegations representing differing political tendencies within Jewry attended the San Francisco Conference in 1945. Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Peter Bergson, Eliahu Elath, Professors Ben-Zion Netanayu and A. S. Yehuda, and Harry Selden were among the Jewish representatives. Their mission was to protect the Jewish right of settlement in Palestine under the mandate against erosion in a world of ambitious states. Article 80 was the result of their efforts.”



So there you have it under the UN charters Article 80 Israel is legally occupying the west bank and is legally building the settlements. So any problems take them up with the UN

Inspite of all of your quotes and misunderstanding of UN resolutions Israeli settlements are illegal, no matter how you try and 'baffle with BS'...

Israeli settlements in the occupied territories[1] (commonly referred to as simply Israeli settlements[2]) are the Israeli civilian communities built on lands occupied by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War. Such settlements currently exist in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and in the Golan Heights. Settlements also existed in the Sinai and Gaza Strip until Israel evacuated the Sinai settlements following the 1979 Israel-Egypt peace agreement and from the Gaza Strip in 2005 under Israel's unilateral disengagement plan. Israel dismantled 18 settlements in the Sinai Peninsula in 1982, and all 21 in the Gaza Strip and 4 in the West Bank in 2005,[3] but continues to both expand its settlements and settle new areas in the West Bank,[4][5][6][7][8] despite being condemned by 158 out of 166 nations in one vote, and 160 nations out of 171 nations in a different vote, in the UN.[9]

The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal,[10] and the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[11][12] Israeli neighborhoods in East Jerusalem and communities in the Golan Heights, areas which have been annexed by Israel, are also considered settlements by the international community, which does not recognise Israel's annexations of these territories.[13] The International Court of Justice also says these settlements are illegal in a 2004 advisory opinion.[14][15][16] In April 2012, UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon, in response to moves by Israel to legalise Israeli outposts, reiterated that all settlement activity is illegal, and "runs contrary to Israel's obligations under the Road Map and repeated Quartet calls for the parties to refrain from provocations."[17] Similar criticism was advanced by the EU and the US.[18][19] Israel disputes the position of the international community and the legal arguments that were used to declare the settlements illegal.[20]

The presence and ongoing expansion of existing settlements by Israel and the construction of settlement outposts is frequently criticized as an obstacle to the peace process by the Palestinians[21] and third parties, including the United Nations,[22] Russia,[23] the United Kingdom,[24] France,[25] the European Union,[26] and the United States.[22]

In July 2012, according to the Israeli interior ministry, 350,150 Jewish settlers lived in the 121 officially recognised settlements in the West Bank, 300,000 Israelis lived in settlements in East Jerusalem and over 20,000 lived in settlements in the Golan Heights.[27][28] Settlements range in character from farming communities and frontier villages to urban suburbs and neighborhoods. The four largest settlements, Modi'in Illit, Ma'ale Adumim, Beitar Illit and Ariel, have achieved city status. Ariel has 18,000 residents while the rest have around 37,000 to 55,500 each.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement

So, leave occupied Palestinian territory... Simple!

 

[Boss]

No, see here's where you have a little problem the Israeli tanks intend to settle. The opportunity for the thug terrorists you support to sit down and negotiate peace and resolve issues of "occupation" and "settlements" has passed. They could have done that, the Israelis were more than willing to give them 95% of the West Bank and all of Gaza, but that wasn't good enough.

Now, the reason there is an Israeli "occupation" at all, is because the the thug terrorist who you support, will not live in peace. They refuse to ackowledge Israel's right to exist. So you can see where the problem here is not Israeli "occupations and settlements" and that continues to be used to excuse thug terrorism.

What you don't seem to be able to grasp is how "war" has consequences. You seem to believe your thug terrorist side can lose wars over and over to the Israelis and the Israelis are somehow obligated to restore things as they were before the war. It's almost like you don't believe the thug terrorists should suffer any consequence for losing on the battlefield. They can win all day long, and that would just be too bad for the Israelis. But when they lose, Israel has to give them back their lands and restore things to normal for them. Well.... that's not how war works.

 

[docmauser1]

Inspite of all of your quotes and misunderstanding of UN resolutions Israeli settlements are illegal, no matter how you try and 'baffle with BS'...

Besides pro-palistanian angst, according to what?

 

[Humanity]

Yes, I know this link will result in a belligerent torrent of abuse, psychobabble and the usual rhetoric from Israel supporters...

aje.me/1zM3vvQ

 

[docmauser1]

Yes, I know this link will result in a belligerent torrent of abuse, psychobabble and the usual rhetoric from Israel supporters...

Amusing drivel. Provided it's not a manifestation of the SAD, of course. But, no worry, we treat anything here, and patients recover like flies!

 

[Kondor3]

No, see here's where you have a little problem the Israeli tanks intend to settle. The opportunity for the thug terrorists you support to sit down and negotiate peace and resolve issues of "occupation" and "settlements" has passed. They could have done that, the Israelis were more than willing to give them 95% of the West Bank and all of Gaza, but that wasn't good enough.

Now, the reason there is an Israeli "occupation" at all, is because the the thug terrorist who you support, will not live in peace. They refuse to ackowledge Israel's right to exist. So you can see where the problem here is not Israeli "occupations and settlements" and that continues to be used to excuse thug terrorism.

What you don't seem to be able to grasp is how "war" has consequences. You seem to believe your thug terrorist side can lose wars over and over to the Israelis and the Israelis are somehow obligated to restore things as they were before the war. It's almost like you don't believe the thug terrorists should suffer any consequence for losing on the battlefield. They can win all day long, and that would just be too bad for the Israelis. But when they lose, Israel has to give them back their lands and restore things to normal for them. Well.... that's not how war works.

 

[Boss]

Why should anyone trust your source? It's the propaganda outlet for the terror organization you're supporting. No psychobabble or rhetoric, that's just a fact. But thanks for pointing out clearly that you are not an Israel supporter, in case anyone had mistaken you for someone objective.

 

[Humanity]

Yes, I know this link will result in a belligerent torrent of abuse, psychobabble and the usual rhetoric from Israel supporters...

Amusing drivel. Provided it's not a manifestation of the SAD, of course. But, no worry, we treat anything here, and patients recover like flies!

Always nice to see intelligent comment on this forum

 

[docmauser1]

Yes, I know this link will result in a belligerent torrent of abuse, psychobabble and the usual rhetoric from Israel supporters...

Amusing drivel. Provided it's not a manifestation of the SAD, of course. But, no worry, we treat anything here, and patients recover like flies!

Always nice to see intelligent comment on this forum

Noblesse oblige!

 

[Kondor3]

Why should anyone trust your source? It's the propaganda outlet for the terror organization you're supporting. No psychobabble or rhetoric, that's just a fact. But thanks for pointing out clearly that you are not an Israel supporter, in case anyone had mistaken you for someone objective.

Who were you talking to, when you wrote this?

 

[Boss]

Why should anyone trust your source? It's the propaganda outlet for the terror organization you're supporting. No psychobabble or rhetoric, that's just a fact. But thanks for pointing out clearly that you are not an Israel supporter, in case anyone had mistaken you for someone objective.

Who were you talking to, when you wrote this?

Humanity and his bullshit Al Jazeera propaganda.

 

[Lipush]

Boss...

So, have a Jewish state.... I welcome it!

Just get the hell out of territory that was never constituted Israeli...

It's that simple....

Then and ONLY then can Israel become the victim...

If Israel pulled out of occupied territory and tried to live peacefully but was attacked by Hamas or whoever the I for one would support Israel all the way in retaliation!

The occupation is LEGAL as proclaimed by the ICJ, so why should Israel hand the Palestinians the means to mass murder tens of thousands by removing their defensive barrier. It is there because of the Palestinians inability to live peacefully and not engage in suicide bombing of Israeli children. You get the Palestinians to pledge no more attacks and mutual borders and Israel will leave the west bank to its own devices

Occupation is ILLEGAL under international law... Where did ICJ proclaim legality?

Israel will never remove its settlers from occupied territory, they would lose too much face!

And what exactly does that have to do with the Gaza crisis?!

 

[Daniyel]

The occupation is LEGAL as proclaimed by the ICJ, so why should Israel hand the Palestinians the means to mass murder tens of thousands by removing their defensive barrier. It is there because of the Palestinians inability to live peacefully and not engage in suicide bombing of Israeli children. You get the Palestinians to pledge no more attacks and mutual borders and Israel will leave the west bank to its own devices

Occupation is ILLEGAL under international law... Where did ICJ proclaim legality?

Israel will never remove its settlers from occupied territory, they would lose too much face!

And what exactly does that have to do with the Gaza crisis?!

Gaza is the result of Israel letting Palies handle things, I can't express the hate to them anymore..

 

[Humanity]

Hey Boss....

You don't like Al Jazeera news then?

No surprise really...

You stick with the mainstream media brainwashing and let thinking people get a balanced view of the
world from proper news sources

 

[Lipush]

That's rich comming from Anti-Zionists.

Their sources are always the popular terrorist-channels.