Government Should Teach Traditional Values

[jillian]

the govt should stfu

well, unlike what the misleading prevaricating o/p would have you believe ... most of the country seems to agree...

what was ACTUALLY said in the link:

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' once-prevailing view that government should do what it can to promote traditional values in society has weakened in the past decade. Today 48% hold that view, while nearly as many, 46%, say government should not favor any particular set of values.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Take a look at which posters favor this. Big surprise.

 

[Wiseacre]

I don't want the gov't teaching or promoting any values, that is the job of the parents and family and nobody else. Some might include the church they belong to, but not the gov't under any circumstances.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I don't want the gov't teaching or promoting any values, that is the job of the parents and family and nobody else. Some might include the church they belong to, but not the gov't under any circumstances.

I agree. USMB posters don't.

 

[Foxfyre]

the govt should stfu

well, unlike what the misleading prevaricating o/p would have you believe ... most of the country seems to agree...

what was ACTUALLY said in the link:

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' once-prevailing view that government should do what it can to promote traditional values in society has weakened in the past decade. Today 48% hold that view, while nearly as many, 46%, say government should not favor any particular set of values.

But are YOU being dishonest Jillian? The OP focused on the young, not the whole. In the same link:

In most of Gallup's Governance surveys from 2001 through 2010, older generations of Americans were more likely than those in Generations X or Y to say they want government to sanction and protect traditional values. However, the percentage of young adults -- aged 18 to 34 -- who want government to promote traditional values has been steadily increasing in recent years, rising from 38% in 2008 to 53% today.

So my theory is that as the older 'more traditional values' generation dies off, you have that large group that tuned out, zoned out, dropped out of the conventional wisdom and scorned the traditional American institutions and values and that middle aged 'baby boomer' group are no doubt changing the demographics.

But hopefully the younger generation coming up haven't bought into the anti-establishment mindset and are beginning to think critically for themselves. And that could get us back into a much better place than we have been.

 

[jillian]

the govt should stfu

well, unlike what the misleading prevaricating o/p would have you believe ... most of the country seems to agree...

what was ACTUALLY said in the link:

But are YOU being dishonest Jillian? The OP focused on the young, not the whole. In the same link:

In most of Gallup's Governance surveys from 2001 through 2010, older generations of Americans were more likely than those in Generations X or Y to say they want government to sanction and protect traditional values. However, the percentage of young adults -- aged 18 to 34 -- who want government to promote traditional values has been steadily increasing in recent years, rising from 38% in 2008 to 53% today.

So my theory is that as the older 'more traditional values' generation dies off, you have that large group that tuned out, zoned out, dropped out of the conventional wisdom and scorned the traditional American institutions and values and that middle aged 'baby boomer' group are no doubt changing the demographics.

But hopefully the younger generation coming up haven't bought into the anti-establishment mindset and are beginning to think critically for themselves. And that could get us back into a much better place than we have been.

i don't care what your "theory" is... that isn't what the link said.

the link implies that old BS about government somehow being responsible for our morality is dying out.

and good riddance to it...

 

[alan1]

Still waiting. Please define and list traditional American values:

1. Slavery
2. Bigotry
3. Extermination of indigenous people
4. ?

Traditional values=racism, sexism, homophobia, anti-semitism, slavery, women and children as property, lynch mobs, capital punishment.

Outlawing abortion
Abstinence only education
Outlawing homosexuality
Creationism taught in science class
Forced prayer in schools

Ya'll seem to have a warped perception about the values of others, Does it make you feel better to define it that way, then assign it to those that you disagree with?

 

[Foxfyre]

well, unlike what the misleading prevaricating o/p would have you believe ... most of the country seems to agree...

what was ACTUALLY said in the link:

But are YOU being dishonest Jillian? The OP focused on the young, not the whole. In the same link:

In most of Gallup's Governance surveys from 2001 through 2010, older generations of Americans were more likely than those in Generations X or Y to say they want government to sanction and protect traditional values. However, the percentage of young adults -- aged 18 to 34 -- who want government to promote traditional values has been steadily increasing in recent years, rising from 38% in 2008 to 53% today.

So my theory is that as the older 'more traditional values' generation dies off, you have that large group that tuned out, zoned out, dropped out of the conventional wisdom and scorned the traditional American institutions and values and that middle aged 'baby boomer' group are no doubt changing the demographics.

But hopefully the younger generation coming up haven't bought into the anti-establishment mindset and are beginning to think critically for themselves. And that could get us back into a much better place than we have been.

i don't care what your "theory" is... that isn't what the link said.

the link implies that old BS about government somehow being responsible for our morality is dying out.

and good riddance to it...

Well I've read and re-read the OP and I sure didn't see that in it. I didn't find any reference to morality at all. I did find the reference, as I quoted here, that the younger generation is WANTING the government to promote traditional values. It remains to be seen if that younger generation sees traditional values as the same thing I call traditional values, but I'm guessing we are pretty close.

You seem to be seeing something very different from that.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

False.

But please keep pacifying yourself with that type of reasoning if it helps.

False???

Gallup poll is false?

Younger folks catching on to the Left-wing drivel that government schools teach, is that false?

Nah, what is false is the rumor that you scored higher on the SAT's than Horshak.

It's impossible to believe the sperm that created you, beat out 1,000,000 others.

The fact that a poll was administered and had results is not the part that's false. Your ridiculous conclusion from it is.

Has anyone defined "traditional values" yet? Better yet: what is the point of school? I thought it was for education, not "values."

 

[Photonic]

Yes. The government should teach a regression of human social values and advancement.


Good fucking job.

 

[hortysir]

What are the traditional values of our nation?

Bigotry and slavery were two, a manifest destiny to annihilate the indigenous people of North America another. Child labor, low wages and unsafe working conditions, polluting our air and water and economic panics on a regular basis. Women denied the franchise to vote, sectional rivalry; a civil war and a life of labor ending one day in a poor house.

And we learned and grew from these things and rose to be the greatest nation on earth in spite of those things.

Are you Barack's opening act for his World Apology Tour II??

 

[Disir]

What is pathetic is that people have no supporting documents indicating that teaching the bible in a public classroom would be acceptable, walk around with a persecution complex and attempt to exploit a one question poll as if that is proof.

That is utter nonsense.

 

[Bfgrn]

If you get your impressions from the Old Left Media, the following Gallup poll may come
as a shock!

This Gallup poll certainly came as a surprise to me...

In terms of expressing the view that view that government should do what it can to promote traditional values in society guess which age group showed the highest support!!!

C'mon....guess!


"In most of Gallup's Governance surveys from 2001 through 2010, older generations of Americans were more likely than those in Generations X or Y to say they want government to sanction and protect traditional values. However, the percentage of young adults -- aged 18 to 34 -- who want government to promote traditional values has been steadily increasing in recent years, rising from 38% in 2008 to 53% today."
As a result -- and owing to declines in older adults' support for government's promoting traditional values -- young adults are now the most likely to favor it.
Americans Divided on Gov't Role in Promoting Values


Meaning???
The end is near for the Left!


Hallelujah!!

Yes, complete conformity and assimilation is on the horizon...Hallelujah!!

Hallelujah!! Hallelujah!! Hallelujah!!

 

[Disir]

Whose up for a round of Duck and Cover?

Ah, nostalgia.

 

[editec]

WHOSE traditional values?

It isn't like this nation doesn't have and hasn't always had, widely different traditional values.

One example of traditional American values in collision?

The CIVIL WAR pitted one cherished traditional value against another.

In that case the tradition of the South's "particular instituion" was weighed on the balance of a bloody civil war, and was found wanting.

 

[daveman]

What are the traditional values of our nation? Bigotry and slavery were two, a manifest destiny to annihilate the indigenous people of North America another. Child labor, low wages and unsafe working conditions, polluting our air and water and economic panics on a regular basis. Woman denied the franchise to vote and sectional rivalry; and a civil war and a life of labor ending one day in a poor house.

Yeah, yeah, America sucks. We get it.

But I can't help but notice that you're still here.

 

[Dot Com]

Dr. Paul et al are correct in their, and my, view that you can't legislate morality. Thats the family's job.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Still waiting. Please define and list traditional American values:

1. Slavery
2. Bigotry
3. Extermination of indigenous people
4. ?

Those are not traditional values.

So you say. What evidence do you have to support such a claim?

The South was built by the hands of slaves. Slaying suspected witches had its day in New England and religious intolerance continues today (Islam, Wicca, Mormons are current examples); the entire Manifest Destiny theme became cause and justification to take the land and livelihood of the indigenous people of the lower forty-eight and don't forget the bias and discrimination of the Irish, Italian and German immigrants to our land.

I would love to say that Americans have always treasured the Golden Rule; a simple perusal of the many threads and messages on this forum suggests otherwise. But no, America doesn't suck as Daveboy wants everyone to believe that's my argument. I hope others are brighter than he - of course as dim as he is that hope is likely realized. I'm simply asking a question. The whole "Moral Majority" movement should have died with Jerry Falwell and the obvious senility of Pat Robertson, for it is neither moral and it does not represent a majority of our citizens.

 

[rdean]

Right Wing "traditional values":

Let him die.

We are going to an execution, so don't forget the picnic basket.

You are on your own.

Only "charity" is good.

Supporting your fellow American is "socialism".

I don't want to be forced into helping victims of disasters.

Voter suppression is OK. They didn't have an ID card. (86 convictions out of the last 300,000,000 votes could have changed the election. Considering that the GOP practices voter suppression, want to bet the majority of those 86 were Republican?)

Science is bad.

Education is bad.

Government is bad.

Investing in America is bad.

Rich people are good.

Job Creators are "gods".

If those are "traditional values", keep them. I like the new ones better.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Survey question:

Some people think the government should promote traditional values in our society. Others think the government should not favor any particular set of values. Which comes closer to your own view?

How can one respond without defining what constitutes ‘traditional values’?

Meaning???
The end is near for the Left!


Hallelujah!!

What an idiotic extrapolation given there’s no criteria as to what ‘traditional values’ are.

Younger folks catching on to the Left-wing drivel that government schools teach, is that false?

The survey question above says nothing about schools, much less ‘left’ or ‘right’ teaching, whatever that’s supposed to be.

In your blind lust to make the ‘left’ look bad, you only succeed in looking ignorant and foolish.

"In your blind lust to make the ‘left’ look bad, you only succeed in looking ignorant and foolish."

Jonesy...I just love the frequency with which your posts misfire!
(Sure hope that's not the case in your private life!!!)


"...blind lust to make the ‘left’ look bad,..."
Now, we can discuss 'blind lust' another time...

...but once again you fail at being able to see the real pic....
...the Left needs no help in looking bad!
And the current view of the left, which we will see memorialized by the national spanking about to occur in 2012...we owe largely to Barack Hussein Obama (peace be on him).

Did you see this in the OP: "the percentage of young adults -- aged 18 to 34 -- who want government to promote traditional values has been steadily increasing in recent years, rising from 38% in 2008 to 53% today."
Especially during the Obama administraton!!!
Coincidence, eh????

Not hardly. Americans may want the handouts that the Left promises...but they, especially the young...are catching on to the lack of substance in the promises.

So, Jonesy, join me now: one-two-three:
HALLELUJAH!

And...best of luck with that little problem.....