Good night Irene!

Nagin didn't fuck up. George "Heck of a job Brownie" Bush did. His administration failed to provide adequate funding to FEMA and appointed someone with no experience in disaster recovery to head it. That and the army core of engineer failed to maintain navigation channels.

You seem to lack even the most basic factual understanding. First of all the Buses run on Diesel and or Propane, CNG, LNG but not Gasoline. Gasoline shortage is what caused traffic jams & slow evacuations. There was not a Diesel shortage during Katrina or any other hurricane evacuation. The HOV lanes were not contra-flowed & designated lanes can be established for busses only & convoy. Fuel depots, roads, stores buses & anything else can be commandeered by police with no government orders.

Nagin knew the buses existed. He stated he did not have insurance to cover evacuation with them. The Governor has multi-jurisdictional authority. State & Local Police have the authority to commandeer any vehicles they need in an emergency. See: Blackman v. City of Cincinnati, a 1942 Ohio Supreme Court case. Commandeering isn't limited to cars. After Hurricane Katrina and the subsequent flood, police commandeered a pharmacy to help the sick. In NYC police on foot & horseback routinely commandeer taxi cabs to transport suspects to police stations.

It does not take a presidential order to evacuate. Any cop can commandeer anything & force citizens to vacate. Nagin & Blanco screwed up because they were pussies after catching hell from the Ivan evacuation. But it is all Bush's fault.

Every bus can take the place of 50 cars & trucks evacuating citizens from a city. The City of New Orleans officials had 550 municipal buses and 300+ additional buses available for evacuation. These 850 buses would have taken 42,500 cars off the highway & out of gas stations per trip & evacuated 80,000 per trip. Less traffic & gas lines means way faster evacuations. There were 1,472 police officers available to load, drive & escort these buses out of New Orleans. Nagin & Blanco screwed up & 200 cops deserted them. This still left 1,272 cops to drive 850 buses! Yet it 100% Bush's fault! You prove yourself to be a bigger idiot with every post.

Bus_yard-rotate.jpg

One has to ask, if FEMA was at fault in New Orleans then how come EVERY OTHER STATE hit was fine with FEMA?

FEMA was in New Orleans in 3 days, with bridges out, airports out and no easy access. The biggest public screw up was when Nagin failed to inform FEMA of all the evacuation sites and FAILED to provide police protection to them.

ANYONE remember the picture of the hundreds of school buses flooded in their parking facility?

1,800 people died. Most of the death was not right away. In fact..a hospital that lacked power had to euthanize it's patients.

Ever hear of that before in the last century or so?

I put up a chart of large death tolls in this country.

The 2 biggest in a century are under President Bush.
 
You seem to lack even the most basic factual understanding. First of all the Buses run on Diesel and or Propane, CNG, LNG but not Gasoline. Gasoline shortage is what caused traffic jams & slow evacuations. There was not a Diesel shortage during Katrina or any other hurricane evacuation. The HOV lanes were not contra-flowed & designated lanes can be established for busses only & convoy. Fuel depots, roads, stores buses & anything else can be commandeered by police with no government orders.

Nagin knew the buses existed. He stated he did not have insurance to cover evacuation with them. The Governor has multi-jurisdictional authority. State & Local Police have the authority to commandeer any vehicles they need in an emergency. See: Blackman v. City of Cincinnati, a 1942 Ohio Supreme Court case. Commandeering isn't limited to cars. After Hurricane Katrina and the subsequent flood, police commandeered a pharmacy to help the sick. In NYC police on foot & horseback routinely commandeer taxi cabs to transport suspects to police stations.

It does not take a presidential order to evacuate. Any cop can commandeer anything & force citizens to vacate. Nagin & Blanco screwed up because they were pussies after catching hell from the Ivan evacuation. But it is all Bush's fault.

Every bus can take the place of 50 cars & trucks evacuating citizens from a city. The City of New Orleans officials had 550 municipal buses and 300+ additional buses available for evacuation. These 850 buses would have taken 42,500 cars off the highway & out of gas stations per trip & evacuated 80,000 per trip. Less traffic & gas lines means way faster evacuations. There were 1,472 police officers available to load, drive & escort these buses out of New Orleans. Nagin & Blanco screwed up & 200 cops deserted them. This still left 1,272 cops to drive 850 buses! Yet it 100% Bush's fault! You prove yourself to be a bigger idiot with every post.

Bus_yard-rotate.jpg

One has to ask, if FEMA was at fault in New Orleans then how come EVERY OTHER STATE hit was fine with FEMA?

FEMA was in New Orleans in 3 days, with bridges out, airports out and no easy access. The biggest public screw up was when Nagin failed to inform FEMA of all the evacuation sites and FAILED to provide police protection to them.

ANYONE remember the picture of the hundreds of school buses flooded in their parking facility?

1,800 people died. Most of the death was not right away. In fact..a hospital that lacked power had to euthanize it's patients.

Ever hear of that before in the last century or so?

I put up a chart of large death tolls in this country.

The 2 biggest in a century are under President Bush.

3 DAYS, NO BRIDGES, NO AIRPORTS. National Guard deployed to protect the Governor. Cops looting and killing.

No evacuation. It was the MAYOR with the help of the Governor's job to evacuate the sick and helpless. What part of NO EVACUATION do you fail to grasp?

What part of EVERYWHERE except New Orleans they evacuated and when FEMA arrived were well taken care of? The MAYOR AND THE GOVERNOR fucked that up. Pretty simple concept. Or are you advocating the Federal Government force evacuations on cities and States when they fail to act as their duty requires them?
 
Bloomberg is starting to evacuate New York - freakin - City? If this thing craps out around the Carolinas there's gonna be some serious backlash.

Would you rather see a repeat of Nagin's total failure of responsibility he committed in New Orleans? Nagin belongs in prison for what he did. When there is a very specific written procedure and a mayor just ups and decides he is going to ignore it and people die -then he belongs in prison, sorry. Instead that guy got re-elected, only underscoring just how corrupt the Louisiana political system really is.

Don't get me wrong -I can't stand Bloomberg and he is no Republican and should just switch parties. But the fact this guy isn't taking chances of seeing nursing homes filled with floating corpses as happened in New Orleans after Nagin failed to follow their own emergency procedure - should not count against him. Not when there are so many legitimate reasons to oppose this guy. But THIS one isn't one of them. I don't care what party someone is - if they decide they will not gamble with real lives and they err in favor of life, I refuse to criticize or second guess them.

Don't be silly. He didn't ignore it, an evacuation was ordered. You just can't force people to leave, however. That's the price of liberty.
 
Nagin didn't fuck up. .


You

Are

Fucking

Insane

Skipped over the entire post did ya?


Unfortunately, I read the whole load of bullshit. The FACT is that the local and state governments fucked up in Louisiana as they have a looooong history of doing. The federal response could have been better if the several offers to declare an emergency and start prepositioning goods and forces had been accepted. They were not. This is something of a tradition in the area.
 
the FACT is that we, as a nation, are all tuned up to respond in unision to almost any manner of disaster or social unrest

it's just the aftermath we're not so good at

~S~
 
Nagin didn't fuck up. George "Heck of a job Brownie" Bush did. His administration failed to provide adequate funding to FEMA and appointed someone with no experience in disaster recovery to head it. That and the army core of engineer failed to maintain navigation channels.

You seem to lack even the most basic factual understanding. First of all the Buses run on Diesel and or Propane, CNG, LNG but not Gasoline. Gasoline shortage is what caused traffic jams & slow evacuations. There was not a Diesel shortage during Katrina or any other hurricane evacuation. The HOV lanes were not contra-flowed & designated lanes can be established for busses only & convoy. Fuel depots, roads, stores buses & anything else can be commandeered by police with no government orders.

Nagin stated he knew the buses existed but he did not have insurance to cover them.:lol: The Governor has multi-jurisdictional authority. State & Local Police have the authority to commandeer any vehicles they need in an emergency. See: Blackman v. City of Cincinnati, a 1942 Ohio Supreme Court case. Commandeering isn't limited to cars. After Hurricane Katrina and the subsequent flood, police commandeered a pharmacy to help the sick. In NYC police on foot & horseback routinely commandeer taxi cabs to transport suspects to police stations.

Every bus can take the place of 50 cars & trucks evacuating citizens from a city. The City of New Orleans officials had 550 municipal buses and 300+ additional buses available for evacuation. These 850 buses would have taken 42,500 cars off the highway & out of gas stations per trip & evacuated 80,000 per trip. Less traffic & gas lines means way faster evacuations. There were 1,472 police officers available to load, drive & escort these buses out of New Orleans. Nagin & Blanco screwed up & 200 cops deserted them. This still left 1,272 cops to drive 850 buses!

It does not take a presidential order to evacuate. Any cop can commandeer anything & force citizens to vacate. Their 1,472 police could have commandeered the 850 buses & pulled one to the center of every street & forced everyone on & drove them out of danger. Nagin & Blanco screwed up because they were pussies after catching hell from the Ivan evacuation. But it is all Bush's fault.

Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, North Carolina & Texas were also hit with hurricanes during Bush's presidency & none of them had serious evacuation issues or high death tolls. Yet it 100% Bush's fault! You prove yourself to be a bigger idiot with every post.

I don't lack any understanding. I dealt with problem resolution on the job all the time. The success of disaster resolution is having a proper plan in place. It's not done by giving up once one of your procedures fail. The city was overwhelmed by flood waters. That should have immediately kicked in a federal response. It's easy enough to compare the results of the Bush response to New Orleans to the Clinton response to the San Francisco earthquake. Bush's administration stopped at level 1..the local response. That lead to massive death tolls. Clinton's FEMA under James Witt responded immediately to the earthquake and were able to keep the death toll to a minimum.

Bush was an incompetent boob.

And you're the idiot.

OMG - I bet you create perpetual chaos for your boss & all of your co-workers. Like Nagin & Blanco Your lack of planning or ability to follow the plan suddenly becomes someone else's problem & fault.:lol: Looting & shooting due to Nagin's evacuation failure hampered Bush's Federal response, although I don't hold Bush & his administration blameless for the slow rescue of the citizens Nagin & Blanco left for dead.

:lol::lol::lol: BTW - Bill Clinton was not president in 1989 when the San Francisco earthquake hit. :lol::lol::lol:
 
Last edited:
You

Are

Fucking

Insane

Skipped over the entire post did ya?


Unfortunately, I read the whole load of bullshit. The FACT is that the local and state governments fucked up in Louisiana as they have a looooong history of doing. The federal response could have been better if the several offers to declare an emergency and start prepositioning goods and forces had been accepted. They were not. This is something of a tradition in the area.

Apparently you only read what confirms your bias.
Saturday, Aug 27 2005 - 2 Days Prior

Blanco asks President Bush to declare a State of Emergency for the state of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. Bush does so, authorizing the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA "to coordinate all disaster relief efforts…" and freeing up federal money for the state.

FactCheck.org: Katrina: What Happened When

Anyway, since this has turned into a bash New Orleans thread I will unsubscribe and hope everyone stays safe. Even the fucking idiots in Virginia.

;)
 
3 DAYS, NO BRIDGES, NO AIRPORTS. National Guard deployed to protect the Governor. Cops looting and killing.

No evacuation. It was the MAYOR with the help of the Governor's job to evacuate the sick and helpless. What part of NO EVACUATION do you fail to grasp?

What part of EVERYWHERE except New Orleans they evacuated and when FEMA arrived were well taken care of? The MAYOR AND THE GOVERNOR fucked that up. Pretty simple concept. Or are you advocating the Federal Government force evacuations on cities and States when they fail to act as their duty requires them?

There's a difference in mindset between liberals and conservatives.

Conservatives will see a guy drown..point to his buddies and laugh at him. "His hard luck, fuck him for being so stupid", the Conservative will say.

A Liberal in the same situation will marshal his friends to form a human chain to save the guy.

That's kind of what your post is like too.
 
You

Are

Fucking

Insane

Skipped over the entire post did ya?


Unfortunately, I read the whole load of bullshit. The FACT is that the local and state governments fucked up in Louisiana as they have a looooong history of doing. The federal response could have been better if the several offers to declare an emergency and start prepositioning goods and forces had been accepted. They were not. This is something of a tradition in the area.

Even more of a reason for the Federal government to be ready to respond.
 
i guess its is cause we are use to moving with hurricanes.....nc will move....pull inland.....lets just hope its inland enough...

sunshine you might get a good blow from irene....be ready.....good luck all yall in the way of irene....take shelter till the storm passes.....

we have a few people in the way....of the storm.....good luck to all of you
 
There's a difference in mindset between liberals and conservatives.

Conservatives will see a guy drown..point to his buddies and laugh at him. "His hard luck, fuck him for being so stupid", the Conservative will say.

A Liberal in the same situation will marshal his friends to form a human chain to save the guy.

That's kind of what your post is like too.

Trust me Sallow, i've been witness to many a death bed liberal

~S~
 
There's a difference in mindset between liberals and conservatives.

Conservatives will see a guy drown..point to his buddies and laugh at him. "His hard luck, fuck him for being so stupid", the Conservative will say.

A Liberal in the same situation will marshal his friends to form a human chain to save the guy.


Bull-fucking-shit.


The liberals will stand around shouting "don't touch him! don't touch him! wait for the government to arrive!" The conservatives will actually go and help him out of the water. The liberals will then sue the conservatives for any scratches the guy got while being rescued and demand that he be allowed to live in there home and eat their food for the rest of his life and those of all his descendants.
 
btw, you guys in the path of the storm, fill up your gas tanks and have cash on hand. And food and water.

Anyone heard from Jillian?
 
There's a difference in mindset between liberals and conservatives.

Conservatives will see a guy drown..point to his buddies and laugh at him. "His hard luck, fuck him for being so stupid", the Conservative will say.

A Liberal in the same situation will marshal his friends to form a human chain to save the guy.


Bull-fucking-shit.


The liberals will stand around shouting "don't touch him! don't touch him! wait for the government to arrive!" The conservatives will actually go and help him out of the water. The liberals will then sue the conservatives for any scratches the guy got while being rescued and demand that he be allowed to live in there home and eat their food for the rest of his life and those of all his descendants.

1800 people died in Louisiana during a Republican administration where the appointment to the head of FEMA was a horse trainer.

You are really out of your minds.

Each and every one of you.
 
people this is a cat 2.....everyone chill.....cat 2......dont worry till it hits 4.....

nc is use to this mess.....you know the real pisser is when the coast makes a run inland....to charlotte...fayetteville...places like that...and the damn storm hits inland (hugo)
and one year the entire east coast was moving....back and forth...they kept moving generators trying to figure out where they would be needed....so of course the flatland relatives call and need a last minute generator ....hoping that us being in the mtns we can find one....we did in tn.....kingsport....the last one.....

of course i am a lot more relaxed with my mom not being in the damn house in the path of the hurricane...amazing how that feels...
 

Forum List

Back
Top