Gold card is not an America first agenda IMO.

[Kruska]

There are African American CEO's of their own companies and/or corporate entities who hired African Americans en masse and we quickly diving into destruction. They changed and hired people of other cultures to stop the bleeding. Along with the massive money sent to them from we see of the wasted trillions now, we see false wealth.

Whatever - the issue is that NO ONE who invests US$ 5 million is going to get the US manufacturing economy going - Trump is primarily looking for investors putting money into his own resorts/developer projects and that of his Billionaire pals.

A foreign company owner that invests into a manufacturing company in the USA - doesn't need a Gold Card - not even a Green Card. He sends his money, sends and employs people and visits his subsidiary in the US once or twice a year.

Those MAGA sheep obviously never worked for a foreign or international company - otherwise they would know that.

 

[beagle9]

The HELL it isn't.

What a change to have people come into this country who want to contribute to building it better than people who come to suck it dry.

A five million dollar investment in a business hires a lot of Americans.

Have you ever worked for these foreigners that come into this country and set up businesses here ? That's if they will even hire you !!

Try the Indians from India, otherwise that have bought their way into the Hotel industry in this country etc. Hey try getting a job in a Chinese resteraunt if you aren't a Mexican. Just take a look at the make up of employee's working in these foreign run companies like meat processing plants, chicken houses, farm's, brick masonry, construction contractor's, and so on and so forth, and yet meanwhile our American youth are rotting away in their bedrooms on video game's while trying the newest killer drug's or thinking that they were born in the wrong bodies etc.

America first means fixing this nation, and not just passing the buck by kicking the can down the road again.

 

[Ace Nova]

Whatever - the issue is that NO ONE who invests US$ 5 million is going to get the US manufacturing economy going - Trump is primarily looking for investors putting money into his own resorts/developer projects and that of his Billionaire pals.

You are conflating the previous program which had the money they paid invested within the economy, business, industry etc.

The Gold Card program, on the other hand, requires that the $5 million per Gold Card is to be paid directly to the US Government - in order to help pay down the deficit/debt.

So no, it wouldn't go to "Trump and his Billionaire pals". It would actually go to all Americans in the sense that it would be mostly used to pay down the US deficit/debt.

 

[Kruska]

You are conflating the previous program which had the money they paid invested within the economy, business, industry etc.

The Gold Card program, on the other hand, requires that the $5 million per Gold Card is to be paid directly to the US Government - in order to help pay down the deficit/debt.

So no, it wouldn't go to "Trump and his Billionaire pals". It would actually go to all Americans in the sense that it would be mostly used to pay down the US deficit/debt.

You still don't get it - a foreigner who has US$ 5 million (pocket-money) is NOT going to invest into a manufacturing company, and a serious investor doesn't need to WASTE US$ 5 million onto a Gold or Green card - a sincere businessman invests into renting or building a factory, machinery and qualifying his employees.

FYI - my family aka since my Fathers initial investment into the USA starting from the 60'ies (now employing around 140 Americans) - never had to pay a single cent for a Green-Card (aside to the lawyer) - it was given for FREE to him, my mother my brother and me.

And where do you take your conviction from, that whatever money the Trump administration collects - that it will be distributed onto the needy or the average American??? the USA is run now by a Billionaires association.

 

[CowboyTed]

Thinking that Americans aren't suitable to own and run companies for American's, otherwise in which seems to be the inference in this gold card deal or idea being touted, (IMO), is not an acceptable way of thinking when it comes to the American first agenda.

Having the idea that foreigners can come in this country if they purchase a 5 million dollar green card, and this in order to spur business, and to create job's for Americans etc, is not an America first agenda IMHO.

Why ???
People coming here from other countries, and then being given special treatment or deals after they do some kind of business deal with our government, and yet without Americans having a say (vote) in this type of thing or activity should be unacceptable to most Americans.

We as American citizen's have experienced a wide range of abuses under foreigners either as individuals or owners of companies operating in this country. This is because of them not having a loyalty or belief system that is assimilated or has some sort of an idea on how to be an empathetic compassionate, fair minded, and yet well balanced business owner that has been exposed to the American value system in ways that working Americans can then agree to having such a person or person's to operate as their boss.

I'm skeptical all due to the owner's not having the same ideology, beliefs, standards, and values that Americans hold dear here, and this is usually where the abuses go under the radar when American workers are worked by foreigners without some sort of civil guarantees or check system that ensures compliance.

Take the call center's being used off shore for example, otherwise that have been used by our business owner's, and think about how much trouble and disrespect we as Americans have had dealing with that situation (if not but just having a super hard time understanding them).

I know people who work for foreign business owners here in America, and the stories they tell are not good one's.

What say you all ?

I'm sure there are some good one's in many cases, but flooding this nation with foreign money and business owner's for whom Americans would have to rely on or go too for their livelihoods, ummm sounds about as bad as the open borders that took place under Biden along with the abuses Americans were experiencing with that situation. Money just makes it a cleaner abuse.

Summary:
We shouldn't be flooding our country with people who don't share our beliefs, our values, and our standards or traditions, especially as business owners that Americans end up relying on.

Like Trump said - If we don't have a border we don't have a country.

Now put your word's where your heart is Trump, and stop looking at everything as a business DEAL when you are talking about an American first agenda...

Don't get distracted Trump, and focus on America first.

This is not a dig at Trump, because I believe this Idea is being pushed by one of his cabinet officials.

Americans don't want hand outs, and we don't want to be showered with gifts to the point of becoming dependent, and we sure as hell don't want a country flooded with wealthy foreigners that end up controlling the means of our prosperity as Americans.

The way I see it. US is going to import people who are rich and top talent... These people will be immediately at the top of the tree..
The US Citizen will then provide the services for them.

So this will have the US having a US Citizen servant class serving foreigners living in their country..

Could anyone see anything going wrong?
Do we think these MAGA will blame Democrats when they are cleaning their toilets?

When they figure this out, don't worry. MAGA will have hijacked the Media Bubble and they will tell them it is all Liberals fault... MAGA will eat that up; they would rather clean the foreigner's toilet than admit they were fooled and wrong.
They will keep on telling them how they(MAGA) are smart and those stupid liberals don't get it like them...

At this point it is just laughfulable

 

[initforme]

We have many employed not on merit.

What does that mean? If someone hired them then they are more than worthy. Not buying that one at all.

 

[BlackSand]

Go ahead and explain as to how favoring rich and foreign oligarchs taking over the US economy - is supposed to prevent illegal migrants from entering the USA or any other country.

And do explain as the where you and your MAGA pals got the idea from, that a Chinese, Indian, etc. Goldcard holder is going to employ White Americans.
Those Gold-card holders are simply going to buy investment assets and properties - as such making living and property costs for Americans even more expensive aka UNAFFORDABLE.

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I knew you couldn't ... Or wouldn't either way ... But that won't convince me to chase your idiocy any further ...
And sorry I was so mean for suggesting you should ...

....

Edit ... Because I should be nice and clarify:

I knew you couldn't ...
Because no one could.

Or wouldn't either way ...
Because if you tried to you would figure out that you couldn't.

That won't convince me to chase your idiocy ...
Because you missed the point and were asking me to do the same thing.

Sorry ...
Because I asked you a baited question, and you actually thought you could say something.

I was so mean ...
Because I was mean when I knew you would try.

For suggesting you should ...
Because I knew you would probably just say more stupid crap ...
Or try to get me to address your stupid crap.

You see ... That's called Critical Thinking ...
And what I was trying to get you to do ... But pretty much knowing you wouldn't ...
And I apologized for that.

.​

 

[Ace Nova]

You still don't get it - a foreigner who has US$ 5 million (pocket-money) is NOT going to invest into a manufacturing company, and a serious investor doesn't need to WASTE US$ 5 million onto a Gold or Green card - a sincere businessman invests into renting or building a factory, machinery and qualifying his employees.

FYI - my family aka since my Fathers initial investment into the USA starting from the 60'ies (now employing around 140 Americans) - never had to pay a single cent for a Green-Card (aside to the lawyer) - it was given for FREE to him, my mother my brother and me.

And where do you take your conviction from, that whatever money the Trump administration collects - that it will be distributed onto the needy or the average American??? the USA is run now by a Billionaires association.

You don't understand the idea behind it. The idea is that people of wealth or even companies will pay the fee so that they can recruit high levels of talent for their companies. It would be used as an incentive. 5 million dollars is a lot of money for the average person but for companies like Google, Microsoft, Apple, Tesla, etc it would be considered a recruitment and/or incentive expense.

“It’s somewhat like a green card, but at a higher level of sophistication,” the president said. “It’s a road to citizenship for people — and essentially people of wealth or people of great talent, where people of wealth pay for those people of talent to get in, meaning companies will pay for people to get in and to have long, long term status in the country.”

Trump sees 'a thirst' for his 'gold card' visa idea with $5 million potential path to US citizenship

President Donald Trump says he plans to offer a “gold card” visa with a path to citizenship for $5 million, replacing a 35-year-old visa for investors.

apnews.com

The EB-5 program (The previous program) procured over 100,000 visas since its inception - and that program "capped" the number of visas available on an annual basis. - so yes, there is a demand for these types of programs. And if there is no "cap" they would likely sell even more than the previous program.

 

[AsherN]

It's a way to have productive people move here, without having to jump through hoops.

I'm all for it.

It's not. The EB-5 was that. This is a buying citizenship. Make Oligarchs Great Again

 

[Ace Nova]

The way I see it. US is going to import people who are rich and top talent... These people will be immediately at the top of the tree..
The US Citizen will then provide the services for them.

So this will have the US having a US Citizen servant class serving foreigners living in their country..

Could anyone see anything going wrong?
Do we think these MAGA will blame Democrats when they are cleaning their toilets?

When they figure this out, don't worry. MAGA will have hijacked the Media Bubble and they will tell them it is all Liberals fault... MAGA will eat that up; they would rather clean the foreigner's toilet than admit they were fooled and wrong.
They will keep on telling them how they(MAGA) are smart and those stupid liberals don't get it like them...

At this point it is just laughfulable

America is first because of the vast amount of inventions and technology it has created and developed over the past 150+ years. No other country in the world can claim more inventions, industrial and technological advancement over that time period. The reason we are a Super Power with the most technologically advanced military in the world is because of the advancements we have made in these areas.

When a company like Google or Lockhead Martin recruits the best engineer from another country - that is one more of the best the United States has and one less of the best another country has - so yes, it is (without question) an "America First" policy. And it keeps us at the top in regards to technology, industry, military, etc.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Make it 50 million then. Deal

You want to attract business, 50M would be too steep

 

[Ace Nova]

It's not. The EB-5 was that. This is a buying citizenship. Make Oligarchs Great Again

The EB-5 program was intended for foreign investors to invest in the US. The majority of Visas procured through the program were from Chinese companies with vested interests in the US. And they were able to use the million dollar fee for their own interests here - they essentially "kept the money" as long as they invested it in the U,S,

The Gold Card program is not intended for that. The intention behind it is to allow U.S. COMPANIES to recruit the best from around the world and to streamline the process.

The 5 million dollar fee is to be paid to the US Government - not for their own interests within the US. So the likelihood of foreign companies paying the fee - knowing that money is not going towards their interests here, is less than it was under the EB-5 program. .

U.S. companies, on the other hand, won't have issues paying the fee if they know it will benefit them when recruiting the best talent from around the world.

 

[BlackSand]

You don't understand the idea behind it. The idea is that people of wealth or even companies will pay the fee so that they can recruit high levels of talent for their companies. It would be used as an incentive. 5 million dollars is a lot of money for the average person but for companies like Google, Microsoft, Apple, Tesla, etc it would be considered a recruitment and/or incentive expense.

“It’s somewhat like a green card, but at a higher level of sophistication,” the president said. “It’s a road to citizenship for people — and essentially people of wealth or people of great talent, where people of wealth pay for those people of talent to get in, meaning companies will pay for people to get in and to have long, long term status in the country.”

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That addresses a serious point that causes me to deadlock on the issue ...
And it is certainly not my decision.

Even in good conditions ... It might reinstitute 'Indentured Servitude' as an acceptable option ...
That could then be mismanaged through the legal process.

Everyone has probably heard of the 'wage slave' mantra ... But I am not even talking about that.

A top graduate, but foreign student at a University like MIT ...
Could be a valuable asset for one of the Major Corporations you mentioned.
They could likewise enter into an agreement with the Corporation for a Gold Card ... But not without strings.
And essentially ... There's nothing wrong with that if it is what they choose to do.

At that point ... A contract would be required ... And that is where things can get sketchy.

Depending on any legal representation the student may be able to access ...
Against the legal representation the corporations have at their disposal ... And really no reasonable way to regulate that ...
The quality of the contract ... Could allow for additional stipulations to be added at any time ...
Unbeknownst to the student when they sign the contract.

Therefore ... The actual term of the contract ... Or its requirements ...
Could be extended beyond what the student thinks they are agreeing to.

That may sound kind of convoluted ... But it is a common practice ...
Especially with Corporations that have good representation ... And it can amount to undetermined indentured servitude ...
By every legal aspect ... Especially when there is a great deal of money and risk involved.

.​

Trump sees 'a thirst' for his 'gold card' visa idea with $5 million potential path to US citizenship

President Donald Trump says he plans to offer a “gold card” visa with a path to citizenship for $5 million, replacing a 35-year-old visa for investors.

apnews.com

The EB-5 program (The previous program) procured over 100,000 visas since its inception - and that program "capped" the number of visas available on an annual basis. - so yes, there is a demand for these types of programs. And if there is no "cap" they would likely sell even more than the previous program.

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I believe the annual cap on EB-5's was set at 10,000 ...
But President Biden's Administration increased it to 12,000 annually ... At least in the last year of his term.

.​

 

[BrokeLoser]

The HELL it isn't.

What a change to have people come into this country who want to contribute to building it better than people who come to suck it dry.

A five million dollar investment in a business hires a lot of Americans.

Have you ever worked for these foreigners that come into this country and set up businesses here ? That's if they will even hire you !!

Try the Indians from India, otherwise that have bought their way into the Hotel industry in this country etc. Hey try getting a job in a Chinese resteraunt if you aren't a Mexican. Just take a look at the make up of employee's working in these foreign run companies like meat processing plants, chicken houses, farm's, brick masonry, construction contractor's, and so on and so forth, and yet meanwhile our American youth are rotting away in their bedrooms on video game's while trying the newest killer drug's or thinking that they were born in the wrong bodies etc.

America first means fixing this nation, and not just passing the buck by kicking the can down the road again.

 

[BlackSand]

The EB-5 program was intended for foreign investors to invest in the US. The majority of Visas procured through the program were from Chinese companies with vested interests in the US. And they were able to use the million dollar fee for their own interests here - they essentially "kept the money" as long as they invested it in the U,S,

The Gold Card program is not intended for that. The intention behind it is to allow U.S. COMPANIES to recruit the best from around the world and to streamline the process.

The 5 million dollar fee is to be paid to the US Government - not for their own interests within the US. So the likelihood of foreign companies paying the fee - knowing that money is not going towards their interests here, is less than it was under the EB-5 program. .

U.S. companies, on the other hand, won't have issues paying the fee if they know it will benefit them when recruiting the best talent from around the world.

.

President Trump's Gold Card Plan ... Might be great if it were to work the way it is planned to.

But ... When you look at the fact that roughly 50% of the Illegal Foreign Nationals we have in our country ...
Simply overstayed their Visa Requirements ... That kind of sheds light on the fact that people don't tend to follow the rules.

President Trump's plan tries to address that ... With a more direct path towards Citizenship ...
But you are still going to have to be counting on the idea the People or Corporations will follow the rules.

That's not even considering the idea that Foreign Nationals will intentionally take advantage of the rules ...
To pursue their own desires ... And with no real respect for anything in President Trump is trying to garner.

....

In the end ...
Yeah ... It might be able to help us make a significant dent in our ever-expanding debt.
Some people could do what they were supposed to ... And that could be a great boost to our economy.
Likewise ... Some people could totally abuse the system ... And some most likely will.

So ... You do something ... Or you do nothing ... And doing nothing just means we are kind of doing the same thing already ...
But at a much lower price ... That won't ever address our debt issue.

....

My opinion ... Decent idea but put it on the shelf.
Let's take care of some of the ridiculous spending we are doing first ... Start locking the door on the empty vault ...
And try to keep the Federal Reserve from creating more imaginary currency.

Might not be the best option ... But that's where I would start looking.
And ... That's kind of what DOGE is supposed to be helping us with ... And we'll see how that works.

....

Glad I am not the President ...
Because if I did what I think needs to be done ...
I would be lucky if I lived through the second week of my term ...

.​

 

[Ace Nova]

.

That addresses a serious point that causes me to deadlock on the issue ...
And it is certainly not my decision.

Even in good conditions ... It might reinstitute 'Indentured Servitude' as an acceptable option ...
That could then be mismanaged through the legal process.

Everyone has probably heard of the 'wage slave' mantra ... But I am not even talking about that.

A top graduate, but foreign student at a University like MIT ...
Could be a valuable asset for one of the Major Corporations you mentioned.
They could likewise enter into an agreement with the Corporation for a Gold Card ... But not without strings.
And essentially ... There's nothing wrong with that if it is what they choose to do.

At that point ... A contract would be required ... And that is where things can get sketchy.

Depending on any legal representation the student may be able to access ...
Against the legal representation the corporations have at their disposal ... And really no reasonable way to regulate that ...
The quality of the contract ... Could allow for additional stipulations to be added at any time ...
Unbeknownst to the student when they sign the contract.

Therefore ... The actual term of the contract ... Or its requirements ...
Could be extended beyond what the student thinks they are agreeing to.

That may sound kind of convoluted ... But it is a common practice ...
Especially with Corporations that have good representation ... And it can amount to undetermined indentured servitude ...
By every legal aspect ... Especially when there is a great deal of money and risk involved.

.

.

I believe the annual cap on EB-5's was set at 10,000 ...
But President Biden's Administration increased it to 12,000 annually ... At least in the last year of his term.

.​

Employment Agreements (AKA contracts) are used for almost every single job in the United States - whether it be working at Wendy's or as the CEO of Microsoft. Even "under the table" jobs have verbal agreements between the "boss" and "the employee". It can be as simple as, "If you don't show up for work without calling in, you're fired". When the employee acknowledges the rule - it becomes a "verbal contract".

So I would have to respectfully disagree that a contract with a company is akin to "indentured servitude". If that were the case, then the vast majority of the US workforce and most workers around the world are "indentured servants".

That said, if a highly skilled employee is offered "The Gold Card" from his employer - that person would likely be thrilled about it. My best guess it would be handled similarly to the way companies handle 401k and retirement plans. A portion of the person's income would likely be put aside as "collateral" against the Gold Card. After a certain amount of time (years) that person could become "fully vested" in the program and the collateral would then be returned to the employee - potentially added to a pension or retirement account. If the employee leaves before he or she is "fully vested" they would lose their collateral the same way they would lose company funds added to a 401k if they are not fully vested. So no, even in this case, they still wouldn't be considered "indentured servants" because they most likely would always have the option to leave but it would not be in their best interests to do so financially.

Companies could also set up "non compete" agreements so that if the person left the company prior to being fully vested and was hired by another company, the new hiring company would need to pay the remaining balance of the Gold Card fee in order for the "non compete" agreement to be waived.

 

[BlackSand]

So I would have to respectfully disagree that a contract with a company is akin to "indentured servitude". If that were the case, then the vast majority of the US workforce and most workers around the world are "indentured servants".

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I am sorry ... But it wasn't really a question ... Because I have been on the other side of the Contract ...
And I know what legal representation will be trying to get someone to do ... In regard to who they are hiring.

It's not even always that bad ... And in a lot of cases the Corporation is just trying to protect themselves ...
Or at least their existing assets and investments ... Especially when it comes to trained labor.

I guess the point I am really trying to make ... Is that I know how those lawyers get to messing around ...
And not everyone is going to be like me and tell them ...
"Aw-nah ... We're not doing that" ...

And I kind of think it precious you think the People actually have the options you think they do ... Bless Your Heart.
Seriously ... There are some sharks in the water ... And most People just end up crying about everything ...
But just a little too late after they were lunch.

Just be thankful that not everyone is as bad as they could be ...

.​

 

[Ace Nova]

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I am sorry ... But it wasn't really a question ... Because I have been on the other side of the Contract ...
And I know what legal representation will be trying to get someone to do ... In regard to who they are hiring.

It's not even always that bad ... And in a lot of cases the Corporation is just trying to protect themselves ...
Or at least their existing assets and investments ... Especially when it comes to trained labor.

I guess the point I am really trying to make ... Is that I know how those lawyers get to messing around ...
And not everyone is going to be like me and tell them ...
"Aw-nah ... We're not doing that" ...

And I kind of think it precious you think the People actually have the options you think they do ... Bless Your Heart.
Seriously ... There are some sharks in the water ... And most People just end up crying about everything ...
But just a little too late after they were lunch.

Just be thankful that not everyone is as bad as they could be ...

.​

The "options" I stated were theoretical in nature - just an educated guess based on experience. In terms of higher paying , highly skilled jobs, etc - there would most likely be structured agreements with some sort of penalties if the employee decides to leave the job. I stated a few examples of what "could happen" based on what companies do now when they have vested financial interests in employees.

But like you said, "...not everyone is as bad as they could be". Knowing that and knowing the way the largest companies in the U.S. operate, I don't foresee a company holding an employee "hostage" until they pay back (or work off) the expense of the Gold Card OTHER THAN penalizing them financially - one way or another - with the potential to affect their next job with a non compete agreement.

 

[d0gbreath]

Every bit the American Way.....You pay to retain top foreign talent that would otherwise have to leave the country.....Gets them on the correct path to US citizenship too.

Unless you are some sort of idiot you want to top talent to remain here.

The idea that you conflate inherited wealth with top talent is silly. All of those Saudi and UAE wealthy underlings really don't know how to do anything. I suppose trump could tailor the program for white S. Africans only.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Make it 100 billion and agree to higher taxes

Elon Musk is already here. No need for him to immigrate.