Gold card is not an America first agenda IMO.

[toobfreak]

Oh so interject money and the immigrants suddenly become A-OK huh ?

No, I said skill. Being productive. When my great-grandparents came over, we needed skilled laborers to build our cities.
Now we need investors willing to infuse cash and create economic and business opportunity.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Other countries have similar programs I don't see a big deal

 

[westwall]

The card requirement doesn't mention anything about "productive" - and what productive worker or skilled worker or IT engineer got US$ 5 million??

All YOU get, is millions of rich Chinese, Indians and Arabs. - taking over the US economy.

That Trump is selling out the USA (since he regards it as HIS company - and not as his country) became obvious latest during his DAVOS speech - remember that Davos post of mine, you thumped down?

You come in with 5 million, and you're not a criminal, means you're productive.

 

[beagle9]

We have plenty of talent here. Now we want immigrants. Jeezus flip flop flip flop

Not sure what is going on or where the lacking of our own talents exist. It's talked about like we need huge foreign investor's to come in and create job's and build factories or what if they don't ?

 

[westwall]

So you will go on record as saying non wealthy workers aren't as productive as wealthy people?

Wow, when you go full stupid you really work hard at it. Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

 

[initforme]

Wow, when you go full stupid you really work hard at it. Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

So does income equal how productive one is? Yes or no.

 

[beagle9]

You come in with 5 million, and you're not a criminal, means you're productive.

It's not about being productive. It's about attracting wealthy foreign investment, but what does that do too MAGA ?

An average foreign laborer can't afford a 5 million dollar gold card, so it's absolutely not about whether or not someone is productive, but it's about flooding the nation with foreign money and ownership that causes Americans to become servants in that situation.

I'll say it again - Why does this nation hate it's own citizen's so much ?

 

[initforme]

Alot of the most productive people work very hard, are very productive, and accept a lower wage. The high and mighty believe different.

 

[westwall]

So does income equal how productive one is? Yes or no.

Of course not.

 

[westwall]

It's not about being productive. It's about attracting wealthy foreign investment, but what does that do too MAGA ?

An average foreign laborer can't afford a 5 million dollar gold card, so it's absolutely not about whether or not someone is productive, but it's about flooding the nation with foreign money and ownership that causes Americans to become servants in that situation.

I'll say it again - Why does this nation hate it's own citizen's so much ?

Correct. 5 million is what it takes to open a small business. It's also a lot of risk because most small businesses fail.

So yes, anyone who is willing to risk their hard earned money is welcome.

 

[initforme]

Correct. 5 million is what it takes to open a small business. It's also a lot of risk because most small businesses fail.

So yes, anyone who is willing to risk their hard earned money is welcome.

If money is the factor then it's a no go. There's more to citizenship than wealth. That's the last measure, the very last measure, of a person. In fact, I might say the more wealth the more red flags.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Top talent exist right here in America as American citizens now. Ignoring this in some sort of bid to get foreigners to do our heavy lifting is ridiculous.

It's all about money and nothing else, yet lifting up Americans and empowering Americans gets forgotten about.

All those tax cuts trump is proposing needs revenue offsets. This could be one of those offsets.

If you are an American entrepreneur, someone coming into the country doesn't stop you from starting your business.

 

[Cassandro]

Just to add a little sanity to this discussion, the "gold card" is specifically intended to end the green card "lottery" system which admits anyone whose number is picked, regardless of their value to our society and ability to support themselves.

Green cards used to require a financial sponsor to guarantee that people wouldn't become a burden on our welfare programs. A $5 million "fastrack" pass does the same thing.

 

[beagle9]

Correct. 5 million is what it takes to open a small business. It's also a lot of risk because most small businesses fail.

So yes, anyone who is willing to risk their hard earned money is welcome.

Anyone ??????

OK, but are we not suppose to question who it is that we would allow to come in here with their (bribery) investment to do business in this way ? Why don't we require them too swear an allegiance to God first and foremost, and then an allegiance to this country that requires them to go and lay down their lives for it if needed ? If they are here and living in this country, and they are prospering from the fruits of it's labor as business owners, then why would it be a bad thing to test their intent or sincerity while in this country if such a thing were too arise ?

Also create a civil rights document that specifically pertains to foreign investor's working or dealing with American labor.

 

[initforme]

All those tax cuts trump is proposing needs revenue offsets. This could be one of those offsets.

If you are an American entrepreneur, someone coming into the country doesn't stop you from starting your business.

Make it 50 million then. Deal

 

[beagle9]

Just to add a little sanity to this discussion, the "gold card" is specifically intended to end the green card "lottery" system which admits anyone whose number is picked, regardless of their value to our society and ability to support themselves.

Green cards used to require a financial sponsor to guarantee that people wouldn't become a burden on our welfare programs. A $5 million "fastrack" pass does the same thing.

I think the issue is multi-pronged, but it's basically cut and dry what was being touted in that cabinet meeting today. Watch the entire exchange between Trump and the media, and then he defers to his cabinet member that talked about the failed program called the EB5 that used a million dollar price tag to entice foreign investor's to come into the country to build and create job's. Weren't most of those investors here from India ?

 

[beagle9]

Make it 50 million then. Deal

Yeah if we are going to end up slaves, then we need our masters to at least be millionaires that can at least sport a fifty million pay up. Maybe we can build them a huge plantation home too boot.

 

[jackflash]

Thinking that Americans aren't suitable to own and run companies for American's, otherwise in which seems to be the inference in this gold card deal or idea being touted, (IMO), is not an acceptable way of thinking when it comes to the American first agenda.

Having the idea that foreigners can come in this country if they purchase a 5 million dollar green card, and this in order to spur business, and to create job's for Americans etc, is not an America first agenda IMHO.

Why ???
People coming here from other countries, and then being given special treatment or deals after they do some kind of business deal with our government, and yet without Americans having a say (vote) in this type of thing or activity should be unacceptable to most Americans.

We as American citizen's have experienced a wide range of abuses under foreigners either as individuals or owners of companies operating in this country. This is because of them not having a loyalty or belief system that is assimilated or has some sort of an idea on how to be an empathetic compassionate, fair minded, and yet well balanced business owner that has been exposed to the American value system in ways that working Americans can then agree to having such a person or person's to operate as their boss.

I'm skeptical all due to the owner's not having the same ideology, beliefs, standards, and values that Americans hold dear here, and this is usually where the abuses go under the radar when American workers are worked by foreigners without some sort of civil guarantees or check system that ensures compliance.

Take the call center's being used off shore for example, otherwise that have been used by our business owner's, and think about how much trouble and disrespect we as Americans have had dealing with that situation (if not but just having a super hard time understanding them).

I know people who work for foreign business owners here in America, and the stories they tell are not good one's.

What say you all ?

I'm sure there are some good one's in many cases, but flooding this nation with foreign money and business owner's for whom Americans would have to rely on or go too for their livelihoods, ummm sounds about as bad as the open borders that took place under Biden along with the abuses Americans were experiencing with that situation. Money just makes it a cleaner abuse.

Summary:
We shouldn't be flooding our country with people who don't share our beliefs, our values, and our standards or traditions, especially as business owners that Americans end up relying on.

Like Trump said - If we don't have a border we don't have a country.

Now put your word's where your heart is Trump, and stop looking at everything as a business DEAL when you are talking about an American first agenda...

Don't get distracted Trump, and focus on America first.

This is not a dig at Trump, because I believe this Idea is being pushed by one of his cabinet officials.

Americans don't want hand outs, and we don't want to be showered with gifts to the point of becoming dependent, and we sure as hell don't want a country flooded with wealthy foreigners that end up controlling the means of our prosperity as Americans.

The option would be to bring in unemployed street vagrants which @ current we Americans are still bogged down trying to deport them out of country. Both states as well as our federal government have existing laws to protect employed Americans from narcissistic induced tyrannical employers.

 

[westwall]

Anyone ??????

OK, but are we not suppose to question who it is that we would allow to come in here with their (bribery) investment to do business in this way ? Why don't we require them too swear an allegiance to God first and foremost, and then an allegiance to this country that requires them to go and lay down their lives for it if needed ? If they are here and living in this country, and they are prospering from the fruits of it's labor as business owners, then why would it be a bad thing to test their intent or sincerity while in this country if such a thing were too arise ?

Also create a civil rights document that specifically pertains to foreign investor's working or dealing with American labor.

Who said that? They still have to have a background check to make sure they're not a criminal.

 

[beagle9]

The option would be to bring in unemployed street vagrants which @ current we Americans are still bogged down trying to deport them out of country. Both states as well as our federal government have existing laws to protect employed Americans from narcissistic induced tyrannical employers.

Laws ??? Rotflmbo

How's that been working in the last 20 to 30 year's ?

I do get your jab at the one you hate, but this isn't about the politics of hate, but more about debate that seeks to correct something before it's just another disaster.