Gold card is not an America first agenda IMO.

[beagle9]

Thinking that Americans aren't suitable to own and run companies for American's, otherwise in which seems to be the inference in this gold card deal or idea being touted, (IMO), is not an acceptable way of thinking when it comes to the American first agenda.

Having the idea that foreigners can come in this country if they purchase a 5 million dollar green card, and this in order to spur business, and to create job's for Americans etc, is not an America first agenda IMHO.

Why ???
People coming here from other countries, and then being given special treatment or deals after they do some kind of business deal with our government, and yet without Americans having a say (vote) in this type of thing or activity should be unacceptable to most Americans.

We as American citizen's have experienced a wide range of abuses under foreigners either as individuals or owners of companies operating in this country. This is because of them not having a loyalty or belief system that is assimilated or has some sort of an idea on how to be an empathetic compassionate, fair minded, and yet well balanced business owner that has been exposed to the American value system in ways that working Americans can then agree to having such a person or person's to operate as their boss.

I'm skeptical all due to the owner's not having the same ideology, beliefs, standards, and values that Americans hold dear here, and this is usually where the abuses go under the radar when American workers are worked by foreigners without some sort of civil guarantees or check system that ensures compliance.

Take the call center's being used off shore for example, otherwise that have been used by our business owner's, and think about how much trouble and disrespect we as Americans have had dealing with that situation (if not but just having a super hard time understanding them).

I know people who work for foreign business owners here in America, and the stories they tell are not good one's.

What say you all ?

I'm sure there are some good one's in many cases, but flooding this nation with foreign money and business owner's for whom Americans would have to rely on or go too for their livelihoods, ummm sounds about as bad as the open borders that took place under Biden along with the abuses Americans were experiencing with that situation. Money just makes it a cleaner abuse.

Summary:
We shouldn't be flooding our country with people who don't share our beliefs, our values, and our standards or traditions, especially as business owners that Americans end up relying on.

Like Trump said - If we don't have a border we don't have a country.

Now put your word's where your heart is Trump, and stop looking at everything as a business DEAL when you are talking about an American first agenda...

Don't get distracted Trump, and focus on America first.

This is not a dig at Trump, because I believe this Idea is being pushed by one of his cabinet officials.

Americans don't want hand outs, and we don't want to be showered with gifts to the point of becoming dependent, and we sure as hell don't want a country flooded with wealthy foreigners that end up controlling the means of our prosperity as Americans.

 

[westwall]

Thinking that Americans aren't suitable to own and run companies for American's, otherwise in which seems to be the inference in this gold card deal or idea being touted, (IMO), is not an acceptable way of thinking when it comes to the American first agenda.

Having the idea that foreigners can come in this country if they purchase a 5 million dollar green card, and this in order to spur business, and to create job's for Americans etc, is not an America first agenda IMHO.

Why ???
People coming here from other countries, and then being given special treatment or deals after they do some kind of business deal with our government, and yet without Americans having a say (vote) in this type of thing or activity should be unacceptable to most Americans.

We as American citizen's have experienced a wide range of abuses under foreigners either as individuals or owners of companies operating in this country. This is because of them not having a loyalty or belief system that is assimilated or has some sort of an idea on how to be an empathetic compassionate, fair minded, and yet well balanced business owner that has been exposed to the American value system in ways that working Americans can then agree to having such a person or person's to operate as their boss.

I'm skeptical all due to the owner's not having the same ideology, beliefs, standards, and values that Americans hold dear here, and this is usually where the abuses go under the radar when American workers are worked by foreigners without some sort of civil guarantees or check system that ensures compliance.

Take the call center's being used off shore for example, otherwise that have been used by our business owner's, and think about how much trouble and disrespect we as Americans have had dealing with that situation (if not but just having a super hard time understanding them).

I know people who work for foreign business owners here in America, and the stories they tell are not good one's.

What say you all ?

I'm sure there are some good one's in many cases, but flooding this nation with foreign money and business owner's for whom Americans would have to rely on or go too for their livelihoods, ummm sounds about as bad as the open borders that took place under Biden along with the abuses Americans were experiencing with that situation. Money just makes it a cleaner abuse.

Summary:
We shouldn't be flooding our country with people who don't share our beliefs, our values, and our standards or traditions, especially as business owners that Americans end up relying on.

Like Trump said - If we don't have a border we don't have a country.

Now put your word's where your heart is Trump, and stop looking at everything as a business DEAL when you are talking about an American first agenda...

Don't get distracted Trump, and focus on America first.

This is not a dig at Trump, because I believe this Idea is being pushed by one of his cabinet officials.

Americans don't want hand outs, and we don't want to be showered with gifts to the point of becoming dependent, and we sure as hell don't want a country flooded with wealthy foreigners that end up controlling the means of our prosperity as Americans.

It's a way to have productive people move here, without having to jump through hoops.

I'm all for it.

 

[1srelluc]

Every bit the American Way.....You pay to retain top foreign talent that would otherwise have to leave the country.....Gets them on the correct path to US citizenship too.

Unless you are some sort of idiot you want to top talent to remain here.

 

[initforme]

It's a way to have productive people move here, without having to jump through hoops.

I'm all for it.

So you will go on record as saying non wealthy workers aren't as productive as wealthy people?

 

[beagle9]

It's a way to have productive people move here, without having to jump through hoops.

I'm all for it.

I'm just applying real life situations we've experienced in the past with this way of thinking.

America first should be about lifting Americans up again, and this will create the MAGA that was being touted that moved Americans to vote for Trump based on this concept.

Flooding the nation with wealthy foreigners who buy their way in, and then end up being like the squad or protesting in the streets for HAMAS, and flying Mexican flags above the American flag is unacceptable. I'm actually surprised at Trump really that he actually went here with this.

Everything is not a damned business deal. That thinking does not represent American traditional values nor does it support American traditional values.

 

[toobfreak]

So you will go on record as saying non wealthy workers aren't as productive as wealthy people?

Huh?

 

[Unkotare]

Thinking that Americans aren't suitable to own and run companies for American's, otherwise in which seems to be the inference in this gold card deal or idea being touted, (IMO), is not an acceptable way of thinking when it comes to the American first agenda.

Having the idea that foreigners can come in this country if they purchase a 5 million dollar green card, and this in order to spur business, and to create job's for Americans etc, is not an America first agenda IMHO.

Why ???
People coming here from other countries, and then being given special treatment or deals after they do some kind of business deal with our government, and yet without Americans having a say (vote) in this type of thing or activity should be unacceptable to most Americans.

We as American citizen's have experienced a wide range of abuses under foreigners either as individuals or owners of companies operating in this country. This is because of them not having a loyalty or belief system that is assimilated or has some sort of an idea on how to be an empathetic compassionate, fair minded, and yet well balanced business owner that has been exposed to the American value system in ways that working Americans can then agree to having such a person or person's to operate as their boss.

I'm skeptical all due to the owner's not having the same ideology, beliefs, standards, and values that Americans hold dear here, and this is usually where the abuses go under the radar when American workers are worked by foreigners without some sort of civil guarantees or check system that ensures compliance.

Take the call center's being used off shore for example, otherwise that have been used by our business owner's, and think about how much trouble and disrespect we as Americans have had dealing with that situation (if not but just having a super hard time understanding them).

I know people who work for foreign business owners here in America, and the stories they tell are not good one's.

What say you all ?

I'm sure there are some good one's in many cases, but flooding this nation with foreign money and business owner's for whom Americans would have to rely on or go too for their livelihoods, ummm sounds about as bad as the open borders that took place under Biden along with the abuses Americans were experiencing with that situation. Money just makes it a cleaner abuse.

Summary:
We shouldn't be flooding our country with people who don't share our beliefs, our values, and our standards or traditions, especially as business owners that Americans end up relying on.

Like Trump said - If we don't have a border we don't have a country.

Now put your word's where your heart is Trump, and stop looking at everything as a business DEAL when you are talking about an American first agenda...

Don't get distracted Trump, and focus on America first.

This is not a dig at Trump, because I believe this Idea is being pushed by one of his cabinet officials.

Americans don't want hand outs, and we don't want to be showered with gifts to the point of becoming dependent, and we sure as hell don't want a country flooded with wealthy foreigners that end up controlling the means of our prosperity as Americans.

You realize something like this has been in effect for a long, long time, right?

 

[beagle9]

Every bit the American Way.....You pay to retain top foreign talent that would otherwise have to leave the country.....Gets them on the correct path to US citizenship too.

Unless you are some sort of idiot you want to top talent to remain here.

Top talent exist right here in America as American citizens now. Ignoring this in some sort of bid to get foreigners to do our heavy lifting is ridiculous.

It's all about money and nothing else, yet lifting up Americans and empowering Americans gets forgotten about.

 

[initforme]

Make it 100 billion and agree to higher taxes

 

[toobfreak]

America first should be about lifting Americans up again, Flooding the nation with wealthy foreigners who buy their way in, Everything is not a damned business deal.

Oh rot. This nation was founded on being a melting pot of legal immigration of productive people. Just bring a skill with you. Far better than inviting millions of illegal undocumented aliens with nothing but their hand out.

 

[beagle9]

So you will go on record as saying non wealthy workers aren't as productive as wealthy people?

Or non-wealthy Americans can't be given sweetheart deals by our government to become great entrepreneurs and owners of businesses in America ?

Kissing foreigners ace has got to stop in this country.

 

[beagle9]

Oh rot. This nation was founded on being a melting pot of legal immigration of productive people. Just bring a skill with you. Far better than inviting millions of illegal undocumented aliens with nothing but their hand out.

Agree, but this thread isn't about that.

 

[toobfreak]

Top talent exist right here in America as American citizens now.

What's wrong, Beag, afraid that we cannot compete with a few immigrants? Mind you, these people would be immigrating here to be naturaized, so they too would be Americans. Americans putting Americans first.

 

[beagle9]

What's wrong, Beag, afraid that we cannot compete with a few immigrants? Mind you, these people would be immigrating here to be naturaized, so they too would be Americans. Americans putting Americans first.

Oh so interject money and the immigrants suddenly become A-OK huh ?

 

[initforme]

What's wrong, Beag, afraid that we cannot compete with a few immigrants? Mind you, these people would be immigrating here to be naturaized, so they too would be Americans. Americans putting Americans first.

We have a plethora of Americans to take their place.

 

[MisterBeale]

Thinking that Americans aren't suitable to own and run companies for American's, otherwise in which seems to be the inference in this gold card deal or idea being touted, (IMO), is not an acceptable way of thinking when it comes to the American first agenda.

Having the idea that foreigners can come in this country if they purchase a 5 million dollar green card, and this in order to spur business, and to create job's for Americans etc, is not an America first agenda IMHO.

Why ???
People coming here from other countries, and then being given special treatment or deals after they do some kind of business deal with our government, and yet without Americans having a say (vote) in this type of thing or activity should be unacceptable to most Americans.

We as American citizen's have experienced a wide range of abuses under foreigners either as individuals or owners of companies operating in this country. This is because of them not having a loyalty or belief system that is assimilated or has some sort of an idea on how to be an empathetic compassionate, fair minded, and yet well balanced business owner that has been exposed to the American value system in ways that working Americans can then agree to having such a person or person's to operate as their boss.

I'm skeptical all due to the owner's not having the same ideology, beliefs, standards, and values that Americans hold dear here, and this is usually where the abuses go under the radar when American workers are worked by foreigners without some sort of civil guarantees or check system that ensures compliance.

Take the call center's being used off shore for example, otherwise that have been used by our business owner's, and think about how much trouble and disrespect we as Americans have had dealing with that situation (if not but just having a super hard time understanding them).

I know people who work for foreign business owners here in America, and the stories they tell are not good one's.

What say you all ?

I'm sure there are some good one's in many cases, but flooding this nation with foreign money and business owner's for whom Americans would have to rely on or go too for their livelihoods, ummm sounds about as bad as the open borders that took place under Biden along with the abuses Americans were experiencing with that situation. Money just makes it a cleaner abuse.

Summary:
We shouldn't be flooding our country with people who don't share our beliefs, our values, and our standards or traditions, especially as business owners that Americans end up relying on.

Like Trump said - If we don't have a border we don't have a country.

Now put your word's where your heart is Trump, and stop looking at everything as a business DEAL when you are talking about an American first agenda...

Don't get distracted Trump, and focus on America first.

This is not a dig at Trump, because I believe this Idea is being pushed by one of his cabinet officials.

Americans don't want hand outs, and we don't want to be showered with gifts to the point of becoming dependent, and we sure as hell don't want a country flooded with wealthy foreigners that end up controlling the means of our prosperity as Americans.

Agreed.

A lot of folks understand trying to incentive rich entrepreneurs to come here, but, the truth is, the best way to do that is to provide the best workforce, the best infrastructure, and the most business friendly environment on the planet.

It's not done by subsidizing rich wanna-be's. Any entrepreneur that would choose a nation to domicile in, based on bribes, is probably not going to do very well in this economy anyway.


. . . and politically? It is just making this admin look like hypocrites in the minds of many.
(IOW, its a really dumb thing to waste political capital on.)

 

[beagle9]

We have a plethora of Americans to take their place.

Just don't want to see Americans being forgotten again. Like the cabinet official said, the program was called the EB5 before, and it was run badly, and the oversight was bad, and it was a failure at a one million dollar price tag per card, so what will change, and does it fit with the America First Agenda ?

 

[initforme]

Top talent exist right here in America as American citizens now. Ignoring this in some sort of bid to get foreigners to do our heavy lifting is ridiculous.

It's all about money and nothing else, yet lifting up Americans and empowering Americans gets forgotten about.

We have plenty of talent here. Now we want immigrants. Jeezus flip flop flip flop

 

[beagle9]

Agreed.

A lot of folks understand trying to incentive rich entrepreneurs to come here, but, the truth is, the best way to do that is to provide the best workforce, the best infrastructure, and the most business friendly environment on the planet.

It's not done by subsidizing rich wanna-be's. Any entrepreneur that would choose a nation to domicile in, based on bribes, is probably not going to do very well in this economy anyway.


. . . and politically? It is just making this admin look like hypocrites in the minds of many.
(IOW, its a really dumb thing to waste political capital on.)

No, they aren't giving money to them, but rather they are charging them 5 million dollar's for a gold card in order to come open business's and invest in America. There is just so many question's involved in what the result of that will be ?

The first attempt at it was one million dollar's for a card, and the official stated that it was a failure.

 

[Kruska]

It's a way to have productive people move here, without having to jump through hoops.

I'm all for it.

The card requirement doesn't mention anything about "productive" - and what productive worker or skilled worker or IT engineer got US$ 5 million??

All YOU get, is millions of rich Chinese, Indians and Arabs. - taking over the US economy.

That Trump is selling out the USA (since he regards it as HIS company - and not as his country) became obvious latest during his DAVOS speech - remember that Davos post of mine, you thumped down?