Global Warming Is Becoming Global Cooling

[Old Rocks]

It was climate change LONG before it was global warming, but worthless lying scum like you knew that already!

Rapid warming, or rapid cooling, will cause rapid climate change. Slow cooling or warming, like the Milankovitch Cycles, also causes climate change, but at a rate that the biosphere can adjust to without to much stress.

 

[Old Rocks]

The left imply all the time that if we just fought global warming, these disasters would actually decrease back to previous levels. This goes hand in hand with what I have said earlier. No matter what we do, if countries like China and a few of the other major polluters, increase pollution while we are busy fighting it off, we will still have increased disasters. In other words, our fight won't actually accomplish any noticeable results. We'll just be making our own lives more miserable while fighting a losing battle, maybe not against mother nature, but against countries like China and the other major polluters who will be negating all of the work we do fighting mother nature. End result - nodda, but for the fact we will feel better about ourselves because we at least tried. There will still be increased natural climate disasters.

We will never go back to pre-industrial levels in our lifetimes or that of our great-great grandchildren. If by left you mean the scientists, then you are totally ignorant of what they are stating or else you are purposely lying. Yes, China needs to address the amount of pollution it spews. So do we, for we are #2 on that list. None of you silly assholes seem to be willing to face up to that fact. In fact, #3, India, only pollutes 1/2 as much as we do. And if you count total pollution emitted since 1850, the US is #1 by a huge amount. .

 

[Old Rocks]

Let me say I don't know any reasonable person who believes that man's minor contribution to global warming is the cause of hurricanes, tornadoes or any of those naturally occurring events, or that mitigating that contribution will get rid of those events.

You will find most climate scientists say that our contribution is causing an increase in number and magnitude of the extreme weather events.

"The emerging field of extreme-event attribution (EEA) seeks to answer the question: “Has climate change influenced the frequency, likelihood, and/or severity of individual extreme events?” Methodological advances over the past 15 years have transformed what was once an unanswerable hypothetical into a tractable scientific question—and for certain types of extreme events, the influence of anthropogenic climate change has emerged beyond a reasonable doubt. Several challenges remain, particularly those stemming from structural limitations in process-based climate models and the temporal and geographic limitations of historical observations. However, the growing use of large climate-model ensembles that capture natural climate variability, fine-scale simulations that better represent underlying physical processes, and the lengthening observational record could obviate some of these concerns in the near future. EEA efforts have important implications for risk perception, public policy, infrastructure design, legal liability, and climate adaptation in a warming world."

Attributing Extreme Events to Climate Change: A New Frontier in a Warming World

The emerging field of extreme-event attribution (EEA) seeks to answer the question: “Has climate change influenced the frequency, likelihood, and/or s…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[skookerasbil]

We will never go back to pre-industrial levels in our lifetimes or that of our great-great grandchildren. If by left you mean the scientists, then you are totally ignorant of what they are stating or else you are purposely lying. Yes, China needs to address the amount of pollution it spews. So do we, for we are #2 on that list. None of you silly assholes seem to be willing to face up to that fact. In fact, #3, India, only pollutes 1/2 as much as we do. And if you count total pollution emitted since 1850, the US is #1 by a huge amount. .

My God.......you call everybody else "dumbfcuks"......

"China needs to address the amount of pollution it spews"


Nobody takes you seriously in here because you are not at all a serious person.

 

[Independentthinker]

Are you really so ignorant that you cannot understand the difference between geologic and atmospheric conditions?

Are you really so ignorant that you cannot understand the planet is doomed long term and we have no control over that? Are you really so ignorant that you cannot understand that whatever we do would make no difference if the highly polluting countries such as China and some others continue polluting at ever higher levels? Are you so ignorant that you cannot understand that even Biden had to get on his hands and knees to beg fossil fuel companies to produce more fossil fuels because green technology can't fill the energy needs we have right now?

 

[Independentthinker]

We will never go back to pre-industrial levels in our lifetimes or that of our great-great grandchildren.

My case is closed. The left are telling the big lie. They imply that if we all go back to wearing animal skins, traveling by foot, and eating berries, the world will be saved. Truth is, the left want us to go back to doing just that while countries like China still pollute and wind up taking over the world.

 

[westwall]

Yesterday. Coral reefs, when buried and diagenesis occurs, forms limestone. There are many coral reefs in existence today.

Nope. Try again.

 

[westwall]

Rapid warming, or rapid cooling, will cause rapid climate change. Slow cooling or warming, like the Milankovitch Cycles, also causes climate change, but at a rate that the biosphere can adjust to without to much stress.

There is zero evidence to support your claim. There IS evidence that proves your claim is false however.

Lab experiments testing barnacle survivability in extremely acidic environments (over 1000 times greater than is possible in the wild) found they increased the thickness of their shells to counter the acid.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

We will never go back to pre-industrial levels in our lifetimes or that of our great-great grandchildren. If by left you mean the scientists, then you are totally ignorant of what they are stating or else you are purposely lying. Yes, China needs to address the amount of pollution it spews. So do we, for we are #2 on that list. None of you silly assholes seem to be willing to face up to that fact. In fact, #3, India, only pollutes 1/2 as much as we do. And if you count total pollution emitted since 1850, the US is #1 by a huge amount. .

And the "but China" denier talking point is so stupid on every level anyway. It's just an emotional canard they use to justify all manner of stupid behavior.

 

[abu afak]

There is zero evidence to support your claim. There IS evidence that proves your claim is false however. Lab experiments testing barnacle survivability in extremely acidic environments (over 1000 times greater than is possible in the wild) found they increased the thickness of their shells to counter the acid.

LOL, YOU CRACKPOT!
So we can acidify the the Oceans by 1000 times and not have a catastrophic effect: coral reefs, fish, etc?
Ever have a fish tank and get the PH wrong?
In fact, barnacles are a general but not bullet proof Exception.
In fact 2, decreasing the PH (acidifying) even by .1 has had an effect.

NOAA

""...Impacts of ocean acidification on shell builders

Ocean acidification is Already impacting many ocean species, especially organisms like oysters and corals that make hard shells and skeletons by combining calcium and carbonate from seawater. However, as ocean acidification increases, available carbonate ions (CO32-) bond with excess hydrogen, resulting in fewer carbonate ions available for calcifying organisms to build and maintain their shells, skeletons, and other calcium carbonate structures. If the pH gets too low, shells and skeletons can even begin to dissolve.

The pteropod, or "sea butterfly," is a tiny sea snail about the size of a small pea. Pteropods are an important part of many food webs and eaten by organisms ranging in size from tiny krill to whales. When pteropod shells were placed in sea water with pH and carbonate levels projected for the year 2100, the shells slowly dissolved after 45 days. Researchers have already discovered Severe levels of pteropod shell dissolution (offsite link) in the Southern Ocean, which encircles Antarctica...."

Ocean acidification

In the 200-plus years since the industrial revolution began, the concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has increased due to human actions. During this time, the pH of surface ocean waters has fallen by 0.1 pH units. This might not sound like much, but the pH scale is...

www.noaa.gov

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[Old Rocks]

There is zero evidence to support your claim. There IS evidence that proves your claim is false however.

Lab experiments testing barnacle survivability in extremely acidic environments (over 1000 times greater than is possible in the wild) found they increased the thickness of their shells to counter the acid.

Post that article from a reputable scientific journal. In fact, how about posting articles from reputable journals when you disagree with the articles I have posted from those journals. You cannot, because you don't read those journals, I seriously doubt that you have the background to understand them.

 

[Old Rocks]

Nope. Try again.

Phd Geologist? LOL What an asshole you are even to make that claim, and then post that damned nonsense that you post. Of course there are limestones that were ancient coral reefs, and modern reefs are also units of limestone. You asked me once to post where you made an obvious claim about geology that was nonsense. You have made many, and just made one more.

"Limestone is a sedimentary rock in the class known as chemical sedimentary rocks. It is composed chiefly of calcite, CaCO3, and constitutes about 10 percent of all sedimentary rocks. Limestone may form inorganically or by biochemical processes. There are many types of limestone because of the variety of conditions under which it is produced.

Coral reefs are examples of limestone produced in the form of the skeletons of the coral invertebrate animals. Calcium-carbonate secreting algae live with the corals and help to cement the structures together. Large limestone deposits from ancient reefs are found inland, such as the exposed limestone in Guadalupe Mountains National Park in New Mexico.

Chalk is another form of biochemically produced limestone. Chalk is a soft, porous rock made up of the skeletal parts of microscopic marine organisms. It produces the white cliffs of Dover, England."

Limestone

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu

 

[abu afak]

Post that article from a reputable scientific journal. In fact, how about posting articles from reputable journals when you disagree with the articles I have posted from those journals. You cannot, because you don't read those journals, I seriously doubt that you have the background to understand them.

Barnacles, As I said, are a general but not bullet proof exception.
Unlike Wetwall I can and will site a study.
He is averse (even unable) to post links despite his ostensible PhD.

Assessing the Impacts of Ocean Acidification on Adhesion and Shell Formation in the Barnacle Amphibalanus amphitrite

Barnacles are dominant members of marine intertidal communities. Their success depends on firm attachment provided by their proteinaceous adhesive and protection imparted by their calcified shell plates. Little is known about how variations in the environment affect adhesion and shell formation...

www.frontiersin.org

If you put just about any fish, or even other shellfish, in that acidity, it would be curtains in a hurry.
(again, as anyone who's ever tried to balance the pH of a fish tank knows)

And I, of course, checked the 'barnacle' claim.
I'm probably the only on the board who would/CAN.

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[Old Rocks]

There is zero evidence to support your claim. There IS evidence that proves your claim is false however.

Lab experiments testing barnacle survivability in extremely acidic environments (over 1000 times greater than is possible in the wild) found they increased the thickness of their shells to counter the acid.

There is zero evidence that the Milankovitch Cycle causes climate change? LOL Damn, you are really out there, old boy.

 

[BlindBoo]

You will find most climate scientists say that our contribution is causing an increase in number and magnitude of the extreme weather events.

"The emerging field of extreme-event attribution (EEA) seeks to answer the question: “Has climate change influenced the frequency, likelihood, and/or severity of individual extreme events?” Methodological advances over the past 15 years have transformed what was once an unanswerable hypothetical into a tractable scientific question—and for certain types of extreme events, the influence of anthropogenic climate change has emerged beyond a reasonable doubt. Several challenges remain, particularly those stemming from structural limitations in process-based climate models and the temporal and geographic limitations of historical observations. However, the growing use of large climate-model ensembles that capture natural climate variability, fine-scale simulations that better represent underlying physical processes, and the lengthening observational record could obviate some of these concerns in the near future. EEA efforts have important implications for risk perception, public policy, infrastructure design, legal liability, and climate adaptation in a warming world."

Attributing Extreme Events to Climate Change: A New Frontier in a Warming World

The emerging field of extreme-event attribution (EEA) seeks to answer the question: “Has climate change influenced the frequency, likelihood, and/or s…

www.sciencedirect.com

I think that they would say it is likely that the small amount of warming we've added has some effect however, the damage the extreme weather events cause in terms of human suffering, are more due to human expansion, not necessarily the magnitude of the events.

 

[Sunsettommy]

You will find most climate scientists say that our contribution is causing an increase in number and magnitude of the extreme weather events.

"The emerging field of extreme-event attribution (EEA) seeks to answer the question: “Has climate change influenced the frequency, likelihood, and/or severity of individual extreme events?” Methodological advances over the past 15 years have transformed what was once an unanswerable hypothetical into a tractable scientific question—and for certain types of extreme events, the influence of anthropogenic climate change has emerged beyond a reasonable doubt. Several challenges remain, particularly those stemming from structural limitations in process-based climate models and the temporal and geographic limitations of historical observations. However, the growing use of large climate-model ensembles that capture natural climate variability, fine-scale simulations that better represent underlying physical processes, and the lengthening observational record could obviate some of these concerns in the near future. EEA efforts have important implications for risk perception, public policy, infrastructure design, legal liability, and climate adaptation in a warming world."

Attributing Extreme Events to Climate Change: A New Frontier in a Warming World

The emerging field of extreme-event attribution (EEA) seeks to answer the question: “Has climate change influenced the frequency, likelihood, and/or s…

www.sciencedirect.com

Where is the increase coming from?

NOAA says not Major Tornadoes.

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No increase in Landfalling Hurricanes,

LINK

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No increase in Hurricane strength or Frequency,

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No increase in Typhoons either since 1951,

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Droughts are DECREASING in the 48 states,

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Decreasing Wildfires NASA

LINK

NASA very similar chart

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quote from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC):

A recent analysis using the Global Fire Emissions Database v.4 (GFED4s) that includes small fires concluded that the net reduction in land area burnt globally during 1998–2015 was –24.3 ± 8.8% (–1.35 ± 0.49% yr–1) (Andela et al. 2017)

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No increase in HOT days,

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Plummeting death rate since 1920,

LINK

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and the best for last:

Next, here is the radical change in downwelling radiation at the surface from the increase in CO2 that is supposed to be driving the “CLIMATE EMERGENCY!!!” What I’ve shown is the change that in theory would have occurred from the changes in CO2 from 1750 to the present, and the change that in theory will occur in the future when CO2 increases from its present value to twice the 1750 value. This is using the generally accepted (although not rigorously derived) claim that the downwelling radiation change from a doubling of CO2 is 3.5 watts per square metre (W/m2). The purpose is to show how small these CO2-caused changes are compared to total downwelling radiation.

The changes in downwelling radiation from the increase in CO2 are trivially small, lost in the noise …

LINK

 

[Turtlesoup]

How about we just take care of our environment and stop being assholes to eachother?!

If you actually gave a shit about the environment-----you would fight to end WELFARE which encourages breeding of people who generally don't care about anything or anybody including the environment and would work to keep the dam dirty destructive illegals out who overbreed, pollute, and are generally a destructive force on the environment.

 

[Slade3200]

If you actually gave a shit about the environment-----you would fight to end WELFARE which encourages breeding of people who generally don't care about anything or anybody including the environment and would work to keep the dam dirty destructive illegals out who overbreed, pollute, and are generally a destructive force on the environment.

Hahaha, that’s some good spin there bucko

 

[Dadoalex]

Are you really so ignorant that you cannot understand the planet is doomed long term and we have no control over that? Are you really so ignorant that you cannot understand that whatever we do would make no difference if the highly polluting countries such as China and some others continue polluting at ever higher levels? Are you so ignorant that you cannot understand that even Biden had to get on his hands and knees to beg fossil fuel companies to produce more fossil fuels because green technology can't fill the energy needs we have right now?

The planet will survive another 4 billion years or so.

Large mammals may not survive the next century.

"Keep on keepin on" is pure ignorance and stupidity.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I think that they would say it is likely that the small amount of warming we've added has some effect however, the damage the extreme weather events cause in terms of human suffering, are more due to human expansion, not necessarily the magnitude of the events.

No doubt that's a factor.