Zone1 Giving up the search for God

[hobelim]

It's perfectly clear to me because I have a hobelim secular doublespeak decoder ring.

Sure it's perfectly clear to you. You are dedicated to religious pretense. Why would you lie? lol....

Just a few questions. If it is perfectly clear to you why do you keep asking about a secular Jesus when what I posted shows that he was a dedicated and observant Jew who died trying to teach his people the only right way to understand and comply with the laws demands that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of God while still alive on Earth?

Can you deny that you have never even had an inkling that this is what Jesus was teaching or that this is the substance, the flesh, of the Actual Body of Christ? See? You don't know your A, B, C's.

One thing is for sure, for you devout mangod eating Catlicks, Sunday will never be the same.....

 

[ding]

Sure it's perfectly clear to you. You are dedicated to religious pretense. Why would you lie? lol....

Just a few questions. If it is perfectly clear to you why do you keep asking about a secular Jesus when what I posted shows that he was a dedicated and observant Jew who died trying to teach his people the only right way to understand and comply with the laws demands that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of God while still alive on Earth?

Can you deny that you have never even had an inkling that this is what Jesus was teaching or that this is the substance, the flesh, of the Actual Body of Christ? See? You don't know your A, B, C's.

One thing is for sure, for you devout mangod eating Catlicks, Sunday will never be the same.....

I can't hear you over your secularization of Jesus Christ.

 

[hobelim]

Cool story, secular humanist.

I know. Amazing isn't it?

It's the greatest story never heard!

 

[ding]

I know. Amazing isn't it?

It's the greatest story never heard!

Especially how you secularize it.

 

[hobelim]

Especially how you secularize it.

I don't secularize anything. Jesus, a devout Jewish man, raised up from among the dead by God to fulfill the promise of a Messiah by teaching him the secrets hidden in the Temple wall which is the Law, the basis and firmament of Heaven, teaching that came to him like bread from heaven that became his flesh given for the life of the world, life the promise for complying with Divine Law.

That's why Jesus said, "Unless you eat my flesh (teaching) and drink my blood, (do it) you can have no life in you." You worship a trinity and dick around with bread and wine and consequently you are under a curse, the death, and exist without life in total darkness and confusion in hell.

You brazenly defy the Law as an expression of your love for God. You have your reward already!

Even so, I will do this much for you. If what you were taught does not conform to reality it is a lie.

What you do or don't do about that fact is all on you sweetheart.

There is nothing supernatural about anything written in the NT, except to the superstitious, the beguiled, the gullible and ignorant of literary devices. And all the "miracles" were not supernatural demonstrations of divine power over reality, even though the ability to give sight to the blind, heal the sick, raise the dead, etc., demonstrates Divine power and authority over the minds and lives of all humans, great or small, clean or unclean, living or dead, on earth under the kingdom of God.

 

[Baron]

According to Scripture: Seek and you shall find.

If you have given up the search for God, what caused you to abandon the quest?

Did anyone stop seeking, then begin once again? What prompted you to renew the search?

Read the Holy Bible and pray to Jesus
And you will find God

 

[ding]

I don't secularize anything. Jesus, a devout Jewish man, raised up from among the dead by God to fulfill the promise of a Messiah by teaching him the secrets hidden in the Temple wall which is the Law, the basis and firmament of Heaven, teaching that came to him like bread from heaven that became his flesh given for the life of the world, life the promise for complying with Divine Law.

That's why Jesus said, "Unless you eat my flesh (teaching) and drink my blood, (do it) you can have no life in you." You worship a trinity and dick around with bread and wine and consequently you are under a curse, the death, and exist without life in total darkness and confusion in hell.

You brazenly defy the Law as an expression of your love for God. You have your reward already!

Even so, I will do this much for you. If what you were taught does not conform to reality it is a lie.

What you do or don't do about that fact is all on you sweetheart.

There is nothing supernatural about anything written in the NT, except to the superstitious, the beguiled, the gullible and ignorant of literary devices. And all the "miracles" were not supernatural demonstrations of divine power over reality, even though the ability to give sight to the blind, heal the sick, raise the dead, etc., demonstrates Divine power and authority over the minds and lives of all humans, great or small, clean or unclean, living or dead, on earth under the kingdom of God.

Every interpretation you make is secular. You've never not made a secular argument.

 

[hobelim]

Every interpretation you make is secular. You've never not made a secular argument.

I see. Everything I learned in school about well known established facts about human biology, history, evolution, literary devices, Jewish beliefs and expressions, fairy tales and social sciences is irrelevant because of what was written in the gospels as if they weren't using literary devices, homonyms, metaphors, analogies, anthromorphisms, hyperbole etc., to make a point and teach? Should I suspend disbelief or throw my brain and everything I know to be true about reality on earth and know about life since the beginning of time into the trash just to be "saved" just like you?

Pft.

In spite of the many wonderful things I can see that your religion has done for you, bro, and your impressive commitment to pretense consequent to perpetuating a delusion based on complete lies and your support of loathsome irrational beliefs and vile, creepy, and degrading practices...



Not by the hair on my chinny chin chin.

 

[BreezeWood]

I can't hear you over your secularization of Jesus Christ.

no doubt like you their reason to crucify the exemplar was their liberation theology, self determination not based on a particular religion but as the goal for admission to the heavens irregardless any perceived deity or prevailing religious dogma.

- and how it was they took 400 years latter to write their c bible - the crucifiers, bing.

 

[surada]

The bibles are fatally flawed and they are the only source of any evidence for the god, etc.
You can try to pick and choose what is 'literal' in the bibles and what is not, but rational thinking people won't be accepting it.

That is, unless they've been indoctrinated as children. Then it becomes impinted on them to some extent for life.

You have nothing but your faith and that's not acceptable to use who weren't indoctrinated.

I suggest we should end this right there unless you have something more than your own faith to back up your beliefs.

Also, fwiw I said I was interested in hearing of other people's experience with Deism as their fallback postions. You're not there yet, even though you are trying to waffle on the interpretations and translations of the bibles.

Most ten year olds don't believe in Noah's flood or that Jonah lived in the belly of a fish for three days.

 

[Donald H]

Most ten year olds don't believe in Noah's flood or that Jonah lived in the belly of a fish for three days.

Jordan can make it work for him, but not literally.
But then if he's asked if he believes in a literal bible, he can't say no. Then he says something like, it would take 3 days for him to explain.

You should learn about Jordan. The best is his debate with Matt Dillihunty in which Matt destroyed him. Nobody debates religion with Dillihuntry if they want to go home in one piece.
And Jordan refuses to a rematch on the advice of his publicity handlers.

He's said to be about 160 IQ, but he can't handle it.
I'm nowhere near him but I'm smart enough to understand where his troubles start!

 

[surada]

Jordan can make it work for him, but not literally.
But then if he's asked if he believes in a literal bible, he can't say no. Then he says something like, it would take 3 days for him to explain.

You should learn about Jordan. The best is his debate with Matt Dillihunty in which Matt destroyed him. Nobody debates religion with Dillihuntry if they want to go home in one piece.
And Jordan refuses to a rematch on the advice of his publicity handlers.

He's said to be about 160 IQ, but he can't handle it.
I'm nowhere near him but I'm smart enough to understand where his troubles start!

They don't believe in Snow White or Paul Bunyan or Pecos Bill either, but they love those stories and remember them.

 

[hobelim]

no doubt like you their reason to crucify the exemplar was their liberation theology, self determination not based on a particular religion but as the goal for admission to the heavens irregardless any perceived deity or prevailing religious dogma.

- and how it was they took 400 years latter to write their c bible - the crucifiers, bing.

Funny how he professes to be a believer but when I irrefutably show him what the stories he claims to believe in are actually about in the only way that conforms to and is confirmed by reality, without adding, subtracting, or changing a single word, he doesn't believe. He even vehemently denies and rejects it as if it was pure evil. He's so fucked. Damn smart them 4th century crucifiers.

And some people do not believe in Divine condemnation, the power of death consequent to defying the Divine commands used by Rome to subjugate the people of the nations of the world.

Imagine that!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

According to Scripture: Seek and you shall find.

If you have given up the search for God, what caused you to abandon the quest?

Did anyone stop seeking, then begin once again? What prompted you to renew the search?

For me, probably a scientific education that both offered non-magical explanations for every magical claim by any religion, while also giving me the tools to understand and explain the magical nonsense myself, using simpler, natural explanations.

The idea of gods was then relegated to our space of ignorance, which decreases daily. At that point, it just became a childish novelty and an artifact of more primitive times, when the human species toiled in terrified ignorance and superstition.

 

[ding]

I see. Everything I learned in school about well known established facts about human biology, history, evolution, literary devices, Jewish beliefs and expressions, fairy tales and social sciences is irrelevant because of what was written in the gospels as if they weren't using literary devices, homonyms, metaphors, analogies, anthromorphisms, hyperbole etc., to make a point and teach? Should I suspend disbelief or throw my brain and everything I know to be true about reality on earth and know about life since the beginning of time into the trash just to be "saved" just like you?

Pft.

In spite of the many wonderful things I can see that your religion has done for you, bro, and your impressive commitment to pretense consequent to perpetuating a delusion based on complete lies and your support of loathsome irrational beliefs and vile, creepy, and degrading practices...



Not by the hair on my chinny chin chin.

Secular humanist subverting religion says what?

 

[ding]

no doubt like you their reason to crucify the exemplar was their liberation theology, self determination not based on a particular religion but as the goal for admission to the heavens irregardless any perceived deity or prevailing religious dogma.

- and how it was they took 400 years latter to write their c bible - the crucifiers, bing.

No one understand a word you are saying.

 

[hobelim]

Secular humanist subverting religion says what?

It doesn't really matter. You don't have any foundation in the fundamental disciplines of honesty and humility and so comprehension remains above your grasp. You lack what is essential to rise to life. But don't stress out your already terminally addled mind. Many of faith will repent, purify and refine their minds, and rise to eternal life understanding Jesus for the first time in their entire lives, seeing his vindication with their own eyes, living out the rest of their days in peace. So be happy!

Others, like yourself, will understand nothing and continue in their pathetic deceptions taking their obstinate stupidity to the grave for all the world to see earning the shame of eternal abhorrence.

To each his own.

I have spoken. All those who have ears to hear have already heard.

 

[BreezeWood]

No one understand a word you are saying.

your 10000 pg phony c bible - or the spoken religion of antiquity, six words in length - the triumph of good vs evil -

and that's why you crucified the exemplar ... didn't understand what they were saying.


* just wondering - have you found the heavenly tablets etched w/ the 10 commandments you impose on everyone ... or any of the other 10000 pages and scriptures of the other phony two desert religions, yet.

 

[ding]

It doesn't really matter. You don't have any foundation in the fundamental disciplines of honesty and humility and so comprehension remains above your grasp. You lack what is essential to rise to life. But don't stress out your already terminally addled mind. Many of faith will repent, purify and refine their minds, and rise to eternal life understanding Jesus for the first time in their entire lives, seeing his vindication with their own eyes, living out the rest of their days in peace. So be happy!

Others, like yourself, will understand nothing and continue in their pathetic deceptions taking their obstinate stupidity to the grave for all the world to see earning the shame of eternal abhorrence.

To each his own.

I have spoken. All those who have ears to hear have already heard.

Your secular rationalizations of Jesus are entertaining. So is the doublespeak you employ to hide your secular rationalizations. I think it's great you don't come right out with it. It wouldn't be as much fun if you did.

 

[ding]

your 10000 pg phony c bible - or the spoken religion of antiquity, six words in length - the triumph of good vs evil -

and that's why you crucified the exemplar ... didn't understand what they were saying.


* just wondering - have you found the heavenly tablets etched w/ the 10 commandments you impose on everyone ... or any of the other 10000 pages and scriptures of the other phony two desert religions, yet.

24,000 written manuscripts say otherwise.