DigitalDrifter
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Hey Nutz, where've you been ?
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Both in East and West Germany, I am referring to education programs of de-nazification. In East Germany one totalitarian system was merely replaced by another, and the Nazi leader cult replaced by a Communist one. Threatening to torture and kill people doesn't convince people to give up Nazism, it just sends would be Neo-Nazis underground.Not enough reeducation? The Germans are some of the most guilt ridden people in the world. But it does make sense East Germans are more right wing and nationalistic, they lived under an incredibly oppressive communist tyranny, a soviet puppet state and probably value the concept of national sovereignty more than west germans who had it much easier post war. You claim Germans didn't receive enough of "reeducation", but if anything the East Germans government was much more authoritarian in their crackdowns on anyone who espoused even the slightest of right wing or non-socialist ideology.Most German Neo-Nazis are from the East, which technically still has a lot of economic catch up to do with the West of Germany.
Unfortunately just like with Japan, not enough effort was put into re-education and pushing the truth of the past to wash away the extreme nationalist propaganda.
During and after the Cold War, Germany's government failed to monitor or combat far right groups, instead wasting it's time going after leftist and peace groups. As a result Neo Nazi groups were able to flourish and commit gruesome murders. Only now is the government beginning to take them seriously.
But even if German Neo Nazis are a 'million strong' as they claim, they are hardly a majority, and don't achieve political power beyond protest votes.
I think another reason Germans in the east of the country are more hostile to immigration is they haven't had to deal with it up until this point, where Germans in the west have had immigrants coming in for a couple decades now, and have been "educated" into a belief of multiculturalism by the academia, media, and the government.
This is the problem, you talk about Germany when you know nothing about it, and conflate patriotism with nazism.Both in East and West Germany, I am referring to education programs of de-nazification. In East Germany one totalitarian system was merely replaced by another, and the Nazi leader cult replaced by a Communist one. Threatening to torture and kill people doesn't convince people to give up Nazism, it just sends would be Neo-Nazis underground.Not enough reeducation? The Germans are some of the most guilt ridden people in the world. But it does make sense East Germans are more right wing and nationalistic, they lived under an incredibly oppressive communist tyranny, a soviet puppet state and probably value the concept of national sovereignty more than west germans who had it much easier post war. You claim Germans didn't receive enough of "reeducation", but if anything the East Germans government was much more authoritarian in their crackdowns on anyone who espoused even the slightest of right wing or non-socialist ideology.Most German Neo-Nazis are from the East, which technically still has a lot of economic catch up to do with the West of Germany.
Unfortunately just like with Japan, not enough effort was put into re-education and pushing the truth of the past to wash away the extreme nationalist propaganda.
During and after the Cold War, Germany's government failed to monitor or combat far right groups, instead wasting it's time going after leftist and peace groups. As a result Neo Nazi groups were able to flourish and commit gruesome murders. Only now is the government beginning to take them seriously.
But even if German Neo Nazis are a 'million strong' as they claim, they are hardly a majority, and don't achieve political power beyond protest votes.
I think another reason Germans in the east of the country are more hostile to immigration is they haven't had to deal with it up until this point, where Germans in the west have had immigrants coming in for a couple decades now, and have been "educated" into a belief of multiculturalism by the academia, media, and the government.
In West Germany, few war criminals were ever charged, it is only really the top guys, as the allies were too focused on reconstruction and let war criminals establish themselves back into society.
By war criminals I mean prison guards at concentration camps, torturers, doctors who experimented on Jews, and soldiers involved in massacres in Russia.
Israel did do its efforts to capture these war criminals, but it is a bit difficult to capture tens of thousands of war criminals in Europe and across South America.
In Germany today though, it seems re-educated failed in the West and East, when violent Neo Nazis exist, as do Neo Nazi towns, and Neo Nazis are able to run for office and have the numbers to be elected.
Immigration woes is the easy answer, but you are dealing with Neo Nazism in parts of the East. They won't stop being paranoid over immigration till they give up Nazi ideology and join the rest of society and the 21st century.
Why would I be looking for something to be pissed off about? I am simply sharing the truth about the rise of hate in the hate capital of the world. If a mass murderer lived in your neighborhood, wouldn't you be weary and watch his every move?You sound like someone that was looking for something to be pissed off about, much like the OP. I humored you because I was bored, but from your posts you sound like you are insecure and paranoid.
Immigration isn't the problem in Europe, but Neo Nazis and Extreme Nationalism. The governments of Europe have a hard job in the post cold war world, because of the narrow focus (from the 1950s-1990s) on communist groups to the detriment of focusing on neo nazis and extreme nationalists.
The only 'suicide' would be turning a blind eye to extreme nationalists who seek to revert Germany and Europe back to the pre-ww1 Europe, without multiculturalism and open immigration.
Nice Godwin, but without immigration Germany would lack a lot of skilled workers and investment. I am glad Germany bans National Socialist parties, rather than give in to people you that would lead Germany down the wrong path.
Steinlight is butthurt because Merkel bans his Neo Nazi parties. Think he wants a 'white Germany', whatever the hell that means.I am happy that I am able to educate the masses about the German hate issue. PLease continue on with the conversation and let the world know, we are all in danger if we leave Germany unchecked.
I was talking to Steinlight. I can't edit posts easily on this phone.Why would I be looking for something to be pissed off about? I am simply sharing the truth about the rise of hate in the hate capital of the world. If a mass murderer lived in your neighborhood, wouldn't you be weary and watch his every move?You sound like someone that was looking for something to be pissed off about, much like the OP. I humored you because I was bored, but from your posts you sound like you are insecure and paranoid.
Immigration isn't the problem in Europe, but Neo Nazis and Extreme Nationalism. The governments of Europe have a hard job in the post cold war world, because of the narrow focus (from the 1950s-1990s) on communist groups to the detriment of focusing on neo nazis and extreme nationalists.
The only 'suicide' would be turning a blind eye to extreme nationalists who seek to revert Germany and Europe back to the pre-ww1 Europe, without multiculturalism and open immigration.
Nice Godwin, but without immigration Germany would lack a lot of skilled workers and investment. I am glad Germany bans National Socialist parties, rather than give in to people you that would lead Germany down the wrong path.
Steinlight is nothing more than a self hating Jew that hates people of a darker hue.Steinlight is butthurt because Merkel bans his Neo Nazi parties. Think he wants a 'white Germany', whatever the hell that means.I am happy that I am able to educate the masses about the German hate issue. PLease continue on with the conversation and let the world know, we are all in danger if we leave Germany unchecked.
Or, one could surmise they were Nazis because they were wearing swastikas.A perfect example of how the (American) left distorts a news story to create an image of hatred that doesn't exist in real life. The post is based on an article describing a demonstration in Dresden Germany against the "Islamization" of Europe which is an ongoing issue. Demonstrators are characterized as "a motley mix of far right wingers of the national democratic party, young hooligans and ordinary folk". A bystander identified as Kathi Wetzel (50) says "they are clearly nazis". Next thing you know the low information American left imagines that "German nazis hold a massive demonstration in Dresden". That's how propaganda works.
It is amusing you put white in quotes, as though white people don't exist. On one hand, you claim Europe needs to be more multicultural and diverse, or when advocating for affirmative action ins the US. Than your ilk play dumb and pretend white people or race for that matter isn't a real thing whenever the people of western people try to assert their interests as a people. You aren't fooling anyone but perhaps yourself with your blatant contradictions.Steinlight is butthurt because Merkel bans his Neo Nazi parties. Think he wants a 'white Germany', whatever the hell that means.I am happy that I am able to educate the masses about the German hate issue. PLease continue on with the conversation and let the world know, we are all in danger if we leave Germany unchecked.
Talk about self projection, leftists trying to push their own inadequacy on other people. It has been shown in studies that left wingers are more depressed, and thus less confident and assertive people, which is why they hold such a weak, self-hating, and destructive ideology. The very dogma of "equality" that the left espouses through moral relativism and multiculturalism just exposes their nihilist tendencies. They want to bring humanity down to their debased level.You sound like someone that was looking for something to be pissed off about, much like the OP. I humored you because I was bored, but from your posts you sound like you are insecure and paranoid.
Immigration isn't the problem in Europe, but Neo Nazis and Extreme Nationalism. The governments of Europe have a hard job in the post cold war world, because of the narrow focus (from the 1950s-1990s) on communist groups to the detriment of focusing on neo nazis and extreme nationalists.
The only 'suicide' would be turning a blind eye to extreme nationalists who seek to revert Germany and Europe back to the pre-ww1 Europe, without multiculturalism and open immigration.
Nice Godwin, but without immigration Germany would lack a lot of skilled workers and investment. I am glad Germany bans National Socialist parties, rather than give in to people you that would lead Germany down the wrong path.
You got banned ehh ?On a forced vacation!Hey Nutz, where've you been ?