Generating electricity for cities in cities

[CrusaderFrank]

Maybe ask Grok to design a ZPE station

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You mean through waste heat from electricity usage? What about waste heat from burning fossil fuels?

Yes, all waste heat warms the Earth.

 

[ReinyDays]

Yes, all waste heat warms the Earth.

Energy is conserved ... always always ...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Energy is conserved ... always always ...

Shhhh....

 

[fncceo]

Yes, and any photons converted into electricity are photons which do not heat the surface of the planet.

Actually, the surface of a solar panel is as much as 40 degrees higher than the outside air because absorption of photons generates heat which is radiated away from the panel as it strips electrons from the panel’s material.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

light probably converts to electricity, not photons strip away electrons. It's frequency of blue in the summer and pinkish red in snow thunder probably has to do with heat, the same way the earth sky is blue and Mars is red.

on clear, dry winter days the sky can look noticeably deeper blue than in summer.

the sky white shifts in the summer, they don't use that term but white shift is a thing between blue and red. The bluer sky in winter must mean that the cold on earth makes the sun hotter in comparison.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually, the surface of a solar panel is as much as 40 degrees higher than the outside air because absorption of photons generates heat which is radiated away from the panel as it strips electrons from the panel’s material.

Panels have a much lower albedo than the Earth's surface.

Lower albedo = net warming

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Toddsterpatriot yes so according to you, cliffs don't exist near towns, and orbiting electrons around the protons strip away from passing photons, is this right fake news Toddsterpatriot ? good luck explaining how the sky color is fake news, expert toddered

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Toddsterpatriot yes so according to you, cliffs don't exist near towns, and orbiting electrons around the protons strip away from passing photons, is this right fake news Toddsterpatriot ? good luck explaining how the sky color is fake news, expert toddered

 

[trevorjohnson83]

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free electrons?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

free electrons?

You've never heard of free electrons before?

 

[westwall]

You've never heard of free electrons before?

That's weird, leftists think everything is free!

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Toddsterpatriot

no from the ground up using the principle that the electron 'orbits' around the proton has anything ever been created?

ChatGPT said:​

If by “from the ground up” you mean a machine or process deliberately built on the literal idea of an electron moving around a proton like a planet around a sun, then the answer is essentially no.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Toddsterpatriot

no from the ground up using the principle that the electron 'orbits' around the proton has anything ever been created?

ChatGPT said:​

If by “from the ground up” you mean a machine or process deliberately built on the literal idea of an electron moving around a proton like a planet around a sun, then the answer is essentially no.

Yes, electrons usually "orbit" the nucleus.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Yes, electrons usually "orbit" the nucleus.

Todd you'll have to explain this

no to say something has no shape or size is to say it is non existent in the universe, an infinite nothing.

ChatGPT said:​

I see the logic you’re pointing to, and it depends on how we define “existence” in physical terms. In physics, “having no size or shape” doesn’t mean nonexistence. Here’s why:

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1.​

• Electrons are real because they have measurable properties: mass, charge, spin, magnetic moment, and energy.
• Even if they have no spatial extent that we can measure, they interact with fields and other particles, so they clearly exist in the universe.

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2.​

• A point particle is “without size” mathematically, but it affects the world around it. For example:
  
  • It generates an electric field that can push/pull other charges.
  • It contributes to the mass of atoms.
• If it were “non-existent,” it couldn’t do any of these things.

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3.​

• “Infinite nothing” implies no effect, no energy, no mass, no interactions.
• A point-like particle is concentrated, not absent—it has all its properties compressed to a point. Its existence is proven by the measurable consequences it produces, not by its volume.

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In short: existence in physics doesn’t require having shape or size, only measurable effects.

If you want, I can explain a way to conceptualize point-like particles in your universe model so it doesn’t feel like “nonexistent.”

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Todd you'll have to explain this

no to say something has no shape or size is to say it is non existent in the universe, an infinite nothing.

ChatGPT said:​

I see the logic you’re pointing to, and it depends on how we define “existence” in physical terms. In physics, “having no size or shape” doesn’t mean nonexistence. Here’s why:

---

1.​

• Electrons are real because they have measurable properties: mass, charge, spin, magnetic moment, and energy.
• Even if they have no spatial extent that we can measure, they interact with fields and other particles, so they clearly exist in the universe.

---

2.​

• A point particle is “without size” mathematically, but it affects the world around it. For example:
  • It generates an electric field that can push/pull other charges.
  • It contributes to the mass of atoms.
• If it were “non-existent,” it couldn’t do any of these things.

---

3.​

• “Infinite nothing” implies no effect, no energy, no mass, no interactions.
• A point-like particle is concentrated, not absent—it has all its properties compressed to a point. Its existence is proven by the measurable consequences it produces, not by its volume.

---

In short: existence in physics doesn’t require having shape or size, only measurable effects.

If you want, I can explain a way to conceptualize point-like particles in your universe model so it doesn’t feel like “nonexistent.”

Good luck.

 

[ding]

Yes, all waste heat warms the Earth.

What percentage of heat is lost generating electricity from natural gas or coal?

 

[ding]

Actually, the surface of a solar panel is as much as 40 degrees higher than the outside air because absorption of photons generates heat which is radiated away from the panel as it strips electrons from the panel’s material.

Satellites have measured cooling effects at over 100 solar farms.

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www.sciencedirect.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What percentage of heat is lost generating electricity from natural gas or coal?

I don't know.

 

[ding]

I don't know.

Google it.