OnePercenter
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More bloviating. Try again; Why would you pay a person that makes you all of your money minimum wage?
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More bloviating. Try again; Why would you pay a person that makes you all of your money minimum wage?
EdwardBaiamonte
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supply and demand of course
OnePercenter
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So humans are a commodity?
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I guess in some senses. So what? How do you want human wages determined?? Do you want Derek Jeter to get minimum wage and Walmart people top get $10 million/year becuase a lberal Nazi in DC says so?
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So what? Really? Are you a sociopath?
EdwardBaiamonte
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For second time: How do you want human wages determined??
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Just remuneration that ensures an existence worthy of human dignity.
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Ed wants the worker to take what he is offered by management. Period.
Most of us want to see equal power in negotiation of wages between the worker and management.
But, ed is a con, and cons hate workers.
Most of us want to see equal power in negotiation of wages between the worker and management.
But, ed is a con, and cons hate workers.
No. Tradition eliminates those things to the greatest extent possible.
This is one of those situations where social conservatives actually get things right. They know that property rights require properness. Otherwise, you end up with a utilitarian society where the pursuit of wealth even leads to people breaking the rules when it's useful.
Whenever I see a PolitcalChic post I know I am in the world of what John Ralston Saul calls 'The Unconscious Civilization.' It is world devoid of humans, ruled by economics, supported and funded by corporations. It is the modern libertarian world view, deeply embedded, that reasons away humanity and in its place bows to the church of markets. Consequences don't matter in this world only profits, but when you point that out you'll always find another believer telling you it is all for the good of all. It is useless to debate these people, sixty years of brain washing ideology has had great impact.
('The Unconscious Civilization'by John Ralston Saul)
"Corporatism reappeared in the 1960s in such places as the British union movement, the American business group known as the Round Table and its imitative Canadian equivalent, the Business Council on National Issues. The last two can claim to have set much of their countries' contemporary economic and social agendas. The banding together of citizens into interest groups becomes corporatist, that is to say dangerous, only when the interest group loses its specific focus and seeks to override the democratic system. In the case of the British unions and the North American business councils, their every intervention into public affairs has been intended to undermine the democratic participation of individual citizens." p472 'Voltaire's Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West' John Ralston Saul
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"The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed, the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back. I am sure that the power of vested interests is vastly exaggerated compared with the gradual encroachment of ideas.. But, soon or late, it is ideas, not vested interests, which are dangerous for good or evil." John Maynard Keynes
A few books too
'The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy' Albert O. Hirschman
'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein
'The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Sarah Palin' Corey Robin
'Voltaire's Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West' by John Ralston Saul
'The Unconscious Civilization'by John Ralston Saul
'Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming' Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. M. Conway
'The American Way of Poverty: How the Other Half Still Lives' Sasha Abramsky
'The Betrayal of the American Dream Hardcover' Donald L. Barlett, James B. Steele
'The Unwinding: An Inner History of the New America' George Packer
'To Serve God and Wal-Mart: The Making of Christian Free Enterprise' Bethany Moreton
PS I am adding links and books for the reader who is still awake to the fact we live in a human world.
('The Unconscious Civilization'by John Ralston Saul)
"Corporatism reappeared in the 1960s in such places as the British union movement, the American business group known as the Round Table and its imitative Canadian equivalent, the Business Council on National Issues. The last two can claim to have set much of their countries' contemporary economic and social agendas. The banding together of citizens into interest groups becomes corporatist, that is to say dangerous, only when the interest group loses its specific focus and seeks to override the democratic system. In the case of the British unions and the North American business councils, their every intervention into public affairs has been intended to undermine the democratic participation of individual citizens." p472 'Voltaire's Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West' John Ralston Saul
Links:
The Browser | Writing worth reading
Informed Comment: Thoughts on the Middle East, History and Religion
Aeon Magazine ? ideas and culture
Project Syndicate: Economics, finance, politics, and global affairs from the world's opinion page (economics for the awake)
Home | Boston Review
Edge.org
The Contemporary Condition
Government is Good - An Unapologetic Defense of a Vital Institution
ArtsJournal ? The Digest of Arts, Culture and Ideas
SourceWatch
"The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed, the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back. I am sure that the power of vested interests is vastly exaggerated compared with the gradual encroachment of ideas.. But, soon or late, it is ideas, not vested interests, which are dangerous for good or evil." John Maynard Keynes
A few books too
'The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy' Albert O. Hirschman
'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein
'The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Sarah Palin' Corey Robin
'Voltaire's Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West' by John Ralston Saul
'The Unconscious Civilization'by John Ralston Saul
'Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming' Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. M. Conway
'The American Way of Poverty: How the Other Half Still Lives' Sasha Abramsky
'The Betrayal of the American Dream Hardcover' Donald L. Barlett, James B. Steele
'The Unwinding: An Inner History of the New America' George Packer
'To Serve God and Wal-Mart: The Making of Christian Free Enterprise' Bethany Moreton
PS I am adding links and books for the reader who is still awake to the fact we live in a human world.
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And now for the remediation that you so sorely require:
1. " A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeufs Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeufs early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact.
2. He wrote: The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all. Here, then, are the major themes of socialist theory. It takes very little interpolation to find that opponents profit at the expense of the environment, and conditions of inequality in society.
3. Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the common good.
4. But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!
Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes.
5. These economic advances continued throughout the period of the rise of socialist ideology. The poor didnt get poorer because the rich were getting richer (a familiar socialist refrain even today) as the socialists had predicted. Instead, the underlying reality was that capitalism had created the first societies in history in which living standards were rising in all sectors of society."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006
And now for an ode that so correctly recognizes motivations of our pal, Middy.....
Miniver Cheevy
BY EDWIN ARLINGTON ROBINSON
Miniver Cheevy, child of scorn,
Grew lean while he assailed the seasons;
He wept that he was ever born,
And he had reasons.
Miniver loved the days of old
When swords were bright and steeds were prancing;
The vision of a warrior bold
Would set him dancing.
Miniver sighed for what was not,
And dreamed, and rested from his labors;
He dreamed of Thebes and Camelot,
And Priams neighbors.
Miniver mourned the ripe renown
That made so many a name so fragrant;
He mourned Romance, now on the town,
And Art, a vagrant.
Miniver loved the Medici,
Albeit he had never seen one;
He would have sinned incessantly
Could he have been one.
Miniver cursed the commonplace
And eyed a khaki suit with loathing;
He missed the mediæval grace
Of iron clothing.
Miniver scorned the gold he sought,
But sore annoyed was he without it;
Miniver thought, and thought, and thought,
And thought about it.
Miniver Cheevy, born too late,
Scratched his head and kept on thinking;
Miniver coughed, and called it fate,
And kept on drinking.
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