Government's Failure at Business

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If one is a government-worshipper, i.e., Liberal, one not only gives obeisance to same, but views it as defined in a similar way as God is defined by religious folks.

In other words as omniscient.


That is the reason politicians who have never run anything for a profit....and you know of whom I speak....are credited with investing taxpayer money in private business.....



What has history taught.....and, as learning is in short supply on the Left, the question applies only to clear thinkers, i.e., conservatives.



Government's attempts to mirror the successes of the private economy is based, in part on the best of intentions. On the obverse, it is based on the mistaken view that having power is deserving power, and represents an ability and expertise not in evidence.

When Obama rammed thorough a $ trillion "stimulus," based on 'shovel-ready jobs,' he later had to admit that they didn't exist.
This failure was hardly the first.....



1. A major industry in early America was the buying and selling of beaver pelts, and it was one of the first targets of government subsidies. Kettles, blankets, axes, muskets were used to trade for the skins.

2. Under President Washington, government would grant monopolies if such provided political gain. In this case, Washington saw the British fur trade as an impediment, enhancing Indian loyalties, and inhibiting US expansion. Believing that private traders couldn't compete with the established British, Washington wanted the government to build and operate large trading posts.
Francis Paul Prucha, "The Great Father: The United States Government and the American Indians," p.31-36

a. Congress appropriated funds, eventually $300,000 for the enterprise.
This was the a test of government's ability to succeed in business.

Wanna guess?



3. In 1816, President Monroe appointed Thomas McKenney to take over a business that was not doing well. In McKenney, one can see the flaw that appears repeatedly in bureaucrats: having power and authority, they are convinced that same is due to their knowledge, expertise, wisdom; an inveterate human weakness.(cough...cough...Obama....)

a. This failing is inseparable from the Progressive philosophy. In fact, it is the Progressives' desire to free bureaucratic agencies from the confines of politics and the law that allows us to trace the origins of the administrative state to their political thought. Woodrow Wilson placed a premium on expertise. Therefore, this new class would be the experts, the people with mastery over all the ‘principles and details’. Educated specialists who were possessed of insight beyond the masses and certainly beyond that of mere politicians.
Barack Obama, Woodrow Wilson and the Administrative State » Behind Blue Lines





4. To drive home the difference between the private market's exponents, and government 'experts,' compare McKenney with John Jacob Astor. Once Astor, an immigrant, became interested in the fur trade, he studied it, learned the prices, markets, routes, traded cautiously at first, and applied a prodigious acumen! He saw the trade's international potential: selling furs to China, and bringing tea back!

a. " In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!"
David Mamet.

5. Under Astor, the American Fur Company resembled a modern corporation with specialists, division of labor, and vertical integration. He ran the company from New York, with agents throughout the Northwest Territory in log cabins stocked with goods. They supplied fur traders who would live with the different Indian tribes and supply them with goods and credit as needed.
Folsom and Folsom, "Uncle Sam Can't Count," p.17.

6. Astor traded the best supplies available at reasonable rates: he didn't restrict himself to American made, more expensive models. His British-made blue-striped blankets were 15% cheaper than McKenney's lower quality blankets made in America; he bought British-made Tower muskets, the best on the market, for $10 apiece, while McKenny paid $12.50 for Henry Deringer's Philadelphia-made guns.
Gilman, " Where Two Worlds Meet: The Great Lakes Fur Trade," p. 86

a. One can hardly miss the similarity to the Wal-Mart business model.



Private enterprise versus government attempts.....Which one wins?
 
You left out that whiskey was heavily traded as a commodity and source of income and tobacco..the most favored form of income compensation....

oh yeah,,,and damn that progressive George Washington, who had people killed just to get their taxes...
 
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You left out that whiskey was heavily traded as a commodity and source of income and tobacco..the most favored form of income compensation....

oh yeah,,,and damn that progressive George Washington, who had people killed just to get their taxes...



"You left out...."


Now, drop-draws......I provide the education that you were denied earlier in life, and in which you are sooooooo sorely in need of (did I end a sentence with a preposiiton???)

....yet you demand that I cover each and ever mote of history in this limited time and space.


Aren't you ashamed?



And ....even more to the point, nothing you have posted connects with the OP.



Read more carefully, take notes....and sit quietly in the three-legged corner stool that you have been provided, and contemplate, both the import of the OP, and the gratitude you owe me.
 
If one is a government-worshipper, i.e., Liberal, one not only gives obeisance to same, but views it as defined in a similar way as God is defined by religious folks.

In other words as omniscient.


That is the reason politicians who have never run anything for a profit....and you know of whom I speak....are credited with investing taxpayer money in private business.....



What has history taught.....and, as learning is in short supply on the Left, the question applies only to clear thinkers, i.e., conservatives.



Government's attempts to mirror the successes of the private economy is based, in part on the best of intentions. On the obverse, it is based on the mistaken view that having power is deserving power, and represents an ability and expertise not in evidence.

When Obama rammed thorough a $ trillion "stimulus," based on 'shovel-ready jobs,' he later had to admit that they didn't exist.
This failure was hardly the first.....



1. A major industry in early America was the buying and selling of beaver pelts, and it was one of the first targets of government subsidies. Kettles, blankets, axes, muskets were used to trade for the skins.

2. Under President Washington, government would grant monopolies if such provided political gain. In this case, Washington saw the British fur trade as an impediment, enhancing Indian loyalties, and inhibiting US expansion. Believing that private traders couldn't compete with the established British, Washington wanted the government to build and operate large trading posts.
Francis Paul Prucha, "The Great Father: The United States Government and the American Indians," p.31-36

a. Congress appropriated funds, eventually $300,000 for the enterprise.
This was the a test of government's ability to succeed in business.

Wanna guess?



3. In 1816, President Monroe appointed Thomas McKenney to take over a business that was not doing well. In McKenney, one can see the flaw that appears repeatedly in bureaucrats: having power and authority, they are convinced that same is due to their knowledge, expertise, wisdom; an inveterate human weakness.(cough...cough...Obama....)

a. This failing is inseparable from the Progressive philosophy. In fact, it is the Progressives' desire to free bureaucratic agencies from the confines of politics and the law that allows us to trace the origins of the administrative state to their political thought. Woodrow Wilson placed a premium on expertise. Therefore, this new class would be the experts, the people with mastery over all the ‘principles and details’. Educated specialists who were possessed of insight beyond the masses and certainly beyond that of mere politicians.
Barack Obama, Woodrow Wilson and the Administrative State » Behind Blue Lines





4. To drive home the difference between the private market's exponents, and government 'experts,' compare McKenney with John Jacob Astor. Once Astor, an immigrant, became interested in the fur trade, he studied it, learned the prices, markets, routes, traded cautiously at first, and applied a prodigious acumen! He saw the trade's international potential: selling furs to China, and bringing tea back!

a. " In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!"
David Mamet.

5. Under Astor, the American Fur Company resembled a modern corporation with specialists, division of labor, and vertical integration. He ran the company from New York, with agents throughout the Northwest Territory in log cabins stocked with goods. They supplied fur traders who would live with the different Indian tribes and supply them with goods and credit as needed.
Folsom and Folsom, "Uncle Sam Can't Count," p.17.

6. Astor traded the best supplies available at reasonable rates: he didn't restrict himself to American made, more expensive models. His British-made blue-striped blankets were 15% cheaper than McKenney's lower quality blankets made in America; he bought British-made Tower muskets, the best on the market, for $10 apiece, while McKenny paid $12.50 for Henry Deringer's Philadelphia-made guns.
Gilman, " Where Two Worlds Meet: The Great Lakes Fur Trade," p. 86

a. One can hardly miss the similarity to the Wal-Mart business model.



Private enterprise versus government attempts.....Which one wins?

The whole reason democracy was invented as a means to make the rich and powerful give up their stranglehold on wealth and power. Of course they don't believe in democracy, they see it is an upstart insurgency of the rabble upsetting the balance of nature where rich white males rule as they were meant to.



(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.




Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation




Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.



The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny.



American School of Economics

American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Recent prominent recent examples of application of American School principles are the infrastructure projects of FDR, Eisenower's National highway system, and JFK's space program.



10 World-Changing Inventions from Government Funding

GPS

The handy navigating device in nearly every car and Smartphone was also originally developed by the Defense Department in the 1970s to follow the exact locations of nuclear missiles and calculate their proper trajectories. Funding for the system was constantly questioned


The Internet

Infant formula

Google

The bar code


The Goodyear TIRE

The microchip

Touch screens

Vaccinates

Wind energy


10 World-Changing Inventions from Government Funding | The Fiscal Times


About one in every 1,000 U.S. patents is granted to someone working on a NASA project

Top 10 NASA Inventions


Memory Foam

Anti-corrosion Coating


ArterioVision



Cochlear Implants (You're welcome Druggie Limpballs)

Scratch-resistant Eyeglass Lenses

Remediating the Environment: Emulsified Zero-valent Iron


Insulin Pump


Lifeshears



Charge-coupled Device


Water Filters

HowStuffWorks "Top 10 NASA Inventions"
 
If one is a government-worshipper, i.e., Liberal, one not only gives obeisance to same, but views it as defined in a similar way as God is defined by religious folks.

In other words as omniscient.


That is the reason politicians who have never run anything for a profit....and you know of whom I speak....are credited with investing taxpayer money in private business.....



What has history taught.....and, as learning is in short supply on the Left, the question applies only to clear thinkers, i.e., conservatives.



Government's attempts to mirror the successes of the private economy is based, in part on the best of intentions. On the obverse, it is based on the mistaken view that having power is deserving power, and represents an ability and expertise not in evidence.

When Obama rammed thorough a $ trillion "stimulus," based on 'shovel-ready jobs,' he later had to admit that they didn't exist.
This failure was hardly the first.....



1. A major industry in early America was the buying and selling of beaver pelts, and it was one of the first targets of government subsidies. Kettles, blankets, axes, muskets were used to trade for the skins.

2. Under President Washington, government would grant monopolies if such provided political gain. In this case, Washington saw the British fur trade as an impediment, enhancing Indian loyalties, and inhibiting US expansion. Believing that private traders couldn't compete with the established British, Washington wanted the government to build and operate large trading posts.
Francis Paul Prucha, "The Great Father: The United States Government and the American Indians," p.31-36

a. Congress appropriated funds, eventually $300,000 for the enterprise.
This was the a test of government's ability to succeed in business.

Wanna guess?



3. In 1816, President Monroe appointed Thomas McKenney to take over a business that was not doing well. In McKenney, one can see the flaw that appears repeatedly in bureaucrats: having power and authority, they are convinced that same is due to their knowledge, expertise, wisdom; an inveterate human weakness.(cough...cough...Obama....)

a. This failing is inseparable from the Progressive philosophy. In fact, it is the Progressives' desire to free bureaucratic agencies from the confines of politics and the law that allows us to trace the origins of the administrative state to their political thought. Woodrow Wilson placed a premium on expertise. Therefore, this new class would be the experts, the people with mastery over all the ‘principles and details’. Educated specialists who were possessed of insight beyond the masses and certainly beyond that of mere politicians.
Barack Obama, Woodrow Wilson and the Administrative State » Behind Blue Lines





4. To drive home the difference between the private market's exponents, and government 'experts,' compare McKenney with John Jacob Astor. Once Astor, an immigrant, became interested in the fur trade, he studied it, learned the prices, markets, routes, traded cautiously at first, and applied a prodigious acumen! He saw the trade's international potential: selling furs to China, and bringing tea back!

a. " In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!"
David Mamet.

5. Under Astor, the American Fur Company resembled a modern corporation with specialists, division of labor, and vertical integration. He ran the company from New York, with agents throughout the Northwest Territory in log cabins stocked with goods. They supplied fur traders who would live with the different Indian tribes and supply them with goods and credit as needed.
Folsom and Folsom, "Uncle Sam Can't Count," p.17.

6. Astor traded the best supplies available at reasonable rates: he didn't restrict himself to American made, more expensive models. His British-made blue-striped blankets were 15% cheaper than McKenney's lower quality blankets made in America; he bought British-made Tower muskets, the best on the market, for $10 apiece, while McKenny paid $12.50 for Henry Deringer's Philadelphia-made guns.
Gilman, " Where Two Worlds Meet: The Great Lakes Fur Trade," p. 86

a. One can hardly miss the similarity to the Wal-Mart business model.



Private enterprise versus government attempts.....Which one wins?


"When Obama rammed thorough a $ trillion "stimulus," based on 'shovel-ready jobs,' he later had to admit that they didn't exist.
This failure was hardly the first."


Even though 40% of it was tax cuts to get a couple of needed GOP votes!



CBO Director Demolishes GOP's Stimulus Myth


Under questioning from skeptical Republicans, the director of the nonpartisan (and widely respected) Congressional Budget Office was emphatic about the value of the 2009 stimulus. And, he said, the vast majority of economists agree.

In a survey conducted by the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, 80 percent of economic experts agreed that, because of the stimulus, the U.S. unemployment rate was lower at the end of 2010 than it would have been otherwise.

"Only 4 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed," CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf told the House Budget Committee. "That," he added, "is a distinct minority."

CBO Director Demolishes GOP's Stimulus Myth
 
"Ask most Americans about the big-spending government policies of the last few years, and they will tell you the programs have failed. In a February 2012 poll from the nonpartisan Pew Research Center, 66 percent of Americans said the federal government is having a negative impact on the way things are going in this country (versus 22 percent who say the impact is positive). A majority disapproves of the president’s 2009 stimulus, and according to a 2010 CNN poll, about three-quarters of Americans believe the money was mostly wasted.

Of course, the measure of economic success is not public opinion, but the factual effects of policy. The emerging evidence on various spending programs shows that Americans’ intuition is correct: The Keynesian deficit spending has been poorly designed and badly executed, and it has had little benefit for our economy."
Why the Stimulus Failed | National Review Online
 
"Lawrence Lindsey, who served as economic adviser to President George W.
Bush, argued in a Weekly Standard essay last year that the proposition made by Obama's stimulus was absurd on it face.

"Everyone except flacks for the White House knows that the 2009 stimulus package failed miserably to produce the promised results," Lindsey wrote. "But even if you buy the White House's argument that the $800 billion package created 3 million jobs, that works out to $266,000 per job. Taxing or borrowing $266,000 from the private sector to create a single job is simply not a cost effective way of putting America back to work. The long-term debt burden of that $266,000 swamps any benefit that the single job created might provide."
Obama's Stimulus: A Documented Failure | CNS News
 
"Obama golfs as GOP taunts him for failed stimulus plan

“The percentage of Americans participating in the labor force is at the lowest level since Jimmy Carter occupied the White House as millions of discouraged job seekers have simply stopped looking for work,” said a statement from Sen. John Thune.

Speaker of the House John Boehner marked the day with contemptuous message to Obama. ”The ‘stimulus’ has turned out to be a classic case of big promises and big spending with little results … millions of families are still asking ‘where are the jobs?’”
Obama quiet as GOP taunts him for failed stimulus plan | The Daily Caller
 
"THE STIMULUS ANNIVERSARY
Five years ago today, President Barack Obama signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law. The $830 billion spending blowout was sold by the White House as a way to keep unemployment from rising above 8%. But the stimulus would fail on its own terms. 2009 marked the first of four straight years when unemployment averaged more than 8%. And of course the unemployment rate would have been even worse in those years and still today if so many people had not quit the labor force, driving labor-participation rates to 1970s levels."
Obama's Stimulus, Five Years Later - WSJ
 
One reason that government is accepted as the great wizard of business is how abominably stupid its proponents tend to be.
You know who I mean, don't you.

7. With sickening regularity, perfect idiots post how healthcare should be a profit-less industry....evincing the kind of stupidity that can could only come from a Liberal.

Not only does it miss the lessons of economics, but totally misunderstands human nature, e.g..the Stakhanovite Revolution.
And in that we see another reason why government flirtations with business fail when compared with private endeavors. Astor used rewards for his top producers:
"As with skins, for good men we cannot pay too dear & indifferent ones are at any price too dear." (BTW....see how that applies to minimum wage laws?)


Astor paid a good salary, plus a share of the profits....to those who merited same.


McKenney and his staff simply received a salary, and no bonuses. The results are clear.



8. Marketing also highlight a difference: Astor sold his furs at auction, but if he didn't get the price he wanted, he moved them to a different city.

McKenny had the furs sent to Washington, and sold them in nearby Georgetown for whatever prices were offered there. After all, he had no incentive to study prices, trends, foreign markets, etc. because his salary was constant whether he made a profit or not.
Herman Viola, " Thomas L. McKenney: Architect of America's Early Indian Policy, 1816-1830," p. 16-20, 48



Of course, in today's iteration of the bonus system, politicians give contracts and guarantees and outright gifts from the fisc to their donors, who 'launder' it right back.
Does the name Obama ring a bell?
 
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Our government debt has been paid off only once in our history and that accomplishment is attributed to a Democratic president and administration. How Jackson did this is result of the government engaging in a profit venture.
 
Our government debt has been paid off only once in our history and that accomplishment is attributed to a Democratic president and administration. How Jackson did this is result of the government engaging in a profit venture.




So....are you so bereft of a Democrat to call your idol that you have to fall back to number seven????

So that's how Democrat chuckles turn to sobs.


You have inspired me to provide further examples of government failures at business.
 
"Lawrence Lindsey, who served as economic adviser to President George W.
Bush, argued in a Weekly Standard essay last year that the proposition made by Obama's stimulus was absurd on it face.

"Everyone except flacks for the White House knows that the 2009 stimulus package failed miserably to produce the promised results," Lindsey wrote. "But even if you buy the White House's argument that the $800 billion package created 3 million jobs, that works out to $266,000 per job. Taxing or borrowing $266,000 from the private sector to create a single job is simply not a cost effective way of putting America back to work. The long-term debt burden of that $266,000 swamps any benefit that the single job created might provide."
Obama's Stimulus: A Documented Failure | CNS News

Did this economic advisor to bush forecast the crash of the economy of 2008 or did his programmer use the same chip in the brain that you operate with?
 
"Lawrence Lindsey, who served as economic adviser to President George W.
Bush, argued in a Weekly Standard essay last year that the proposition made by Obama's stimulus was absurd on it face.

"Everyone except flacks for the White House knows that the 2009 stimulus package failed miserably to produce the promised results," Lindsey wrote. "But even if you buy the White House's argument that the $800 billion package created 3 million jobs, that works out to $266,000 per job. Taxing or borrowing $266,000 from the private sector to create a single job is simply not a cost effective way of putting America back to work. The long-term debt burden of that $266,000 swamps any benefit that the single job created might provide."
Obama's Stimulus: A Documented Failure | CNS News

Did this economic advisor to bush forecast the crash of the economy of 2008 or did his programmer use the same chip in the brain that you operate with?




How's this, you dunce:


Published: September 11, 2003


WASHINGTON, Sept. 10— The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.


Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.


''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - NYTimes.com



Good to see we're back on the original footing.
 
In many ways, government is able to validate its projections......
....know why?

9. What is the greatest advantage that government has over any business, or any individual? Force. Intimidation.

They are "allowed" methods that private business is not.

Whipped thoroughly by the private citizen, Astor, the bureaucrat McKenney urged his agents to stir up Indians against private traders:
"All correct means that may be taken to expel these traders [would be] of service to humanity and justice.....[the Indians] must get rid of them and hope not to be accountable for their own efforts to drive them out" and "...turn their prejudices against these their enemies[the private traders.]"
Viola, Op.Cit., p. 54-55


a. Anyone else see a similarity here: " Obama tells Latinos to ‘punish our enemies,’ the GOP"
Obama tells Latinos to ?punish our enemies,? the GOP | The Daily Caller




10. And....because government can make up rules that apply to it alone!

Publicly traded companies are bound by accounting rules known as “Generally Accepted Accounting Principles,” GAAP, which account for revenue, expenses, assets, and liabilities.
So, can we count on government figures with the same degree of certainty?

a. Not exactly: the government uses the rules of the Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board, FASAB. The rules are set by Congress and the White House.

b. “The government's record-keeping was in such disarray 15 years ago that both parties agreed drastic steps were needed. Congress and two presidents took a series of actions from 1990 to 1996 that: Created the Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board to establish accounting rules, a role similar to what the powerful Financial Accounting Standards Board does for corporations.” USATODAY.com - What's the real federal deficit?



Not quite.

It allows the Left to make up myths such as 'Clinton produced a surplus.'
 
What would McCain and Palin have done if they had won the election and took office in Jan. 2009? How would they have stemmed the tide of unemployment rising each month, of the danger of institutions to big to fail, failing, of the credit crisis and the deflation of housing values around the nation?

I ask this directly to PoliticalChic (PC), who wants others to believe she is all knowing and prescient. What conservative policies would or could McCain and his administration done to quell the panic which infected our nation and much of the developed world?

If PC can respond with pragmatic and comprehensive solutions I'll be amazed; and may (MAY) begin to see her not as the narcissistic charlatan I believe her to be; if she parrots the usual conservative tripe my opinion of her will be reinforced.
 

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