From the files of "What Would Abe Lincoln Do?" - A new Confederacy forming among the eastern states

[Deplorable Yankee]

Time to polish up the muskets and saddle up the horses, boys, Civil War is coming again. Except this time the secessionists could be four Yankee states who want to be a part of Canada.

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province​

According to Krueger, New York's values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than Trump's



"As tensions rise over President-elect Donald Trump's impending second term, a Democratic state senator from New York has suggested a drastic solution: secession. Liz Krueger, chair of the New York State Senate Finance Committee, has proposed that New York leave the United States and join Canada, arguing that Trump's policies threaten the state's progressive values and federal funding, according to Washington Examiner.

Radical Proposals to Counter Trump​

Krueger, a prominent Democrat from Manhattan, has gained attention for her unconventional proposals to counter Trump's administration. Among these are withholding federal taxes and a call for New York, along with other liberal states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, to secede and become a province of Canada, per reports from Politico.

"It's not unreasonable to think outside of the box," Krueger stated during an interview with Politico. She cited Trump's planned mass deportations and his threats to withhold federal funding from sanctuary states as reasons for her proposals.

Krueger highlighted the financial stakes involved. New York contributes approximately $362 billion annually in tax revenue to the federal government but relies on $85 billion in federal aid, much of it earmarked for Medicaid. She argued that withholding tax payments could serve as leverage if Trump follows through on his threats to cut funding.

"We're talking a lot of money," Krueger said. "Money we couldn't possibly replace unless we started sending the feds a lot less money."

A Vision of Secession​

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful. She first proposed the idea in September, before Trump's election victory.

"Why do I have to leave this country? I love this country," she said. "But if Trump wins a second term, it's not actually my fault or the fault of people in New York. I thought I'd suggest to Canada that, instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night, they let us become a new southeast province."

According to Krueger, New York's progressive values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than with Trump's America. She believes this alignment makes her proposal "probably sellable" in Ottawa, Canada's capital.

While Krueger's proposals have stirred debate, they have also drawn criticism and scepticism. Long Island Assemblymember Chuck Lavine cautioned against escalating tensions.

"It's not our job to pick up the pitchforks that have been dropped by his many followers," Lavine stated, referencing Trump's supporters.

Even some Democrats have expressed concerns about the feasibility of withholding federal taxes or secession. Trump himself, who received 43% of New York's vote in 2024, has pledged to support key infrastructure projects in the state, including the Gateway Tunnel and Penn Station renovations, per Washington Examiner.

"I'll believe it when I see it," said Manhattan state Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, reflecting the scepticism among left-leaning lawmakers about Trump's promises to aid New York.

Broader Implications​

Trump's administration is expected to wield significant power, with a Republican majority in Congress and a conservative-leaning judiciary. This dominance has left New York Democrats searching for ways to protect vulnerable communities and uphold progressive policies.

During Trump's first term, New York's Democratic majority passed legislation expanding voting rights, bolstering abortion access, and forcing the release of Trump's state tax returns. However, the current political climate poses new challenges.

"With the courts aligned largely against New York at the federal level and the other two branches of government under Republican control, it's going to be tough sledding," Hoylman-Sigal said, according to Washington Examiner.

A Bold Statement or a Real Plan?​

Krueger's proposal to join Canada has sparked conversations about the limits of state resistance to federal power. While the idea may seem far-fetched, it reflects the depth of discontent among progressive lawmakers who feel their values are increasingly at odds with those of the federal government."

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province

Join Canada
Lol

That would totally finish NY

The red Western counties would join Pennsylvania.....so they could frak

 

[Vrenn]

Maybe the Democrats could just offer a more attractive alternative to their rival party for the American people.

I have to agree on that one. The same goes for the MAGAts that hijacked the GOP. I can see the Dems presenting a better candidate long before the MAGAts. If they don't, we get a whole series of clowns driving clown cars.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

I have to agree on that one. The same goes for the MAGAts that hijacked the GOP. I can see the Dems presenting a better candidate long before the MAGAts. If they don't, we get a whole series of clowns driving clown cars.

Youre cheney bush,Romney man are ya ..to bad
The fake opposition Republican party needed to be destroyed
Just like the gay retarded dei commie Democrat party needs to be smashed to


Burn the establishment down

 

[Picaro]

Texas didn't bail them out.

And Dallas and Houston have a higher crime rate than Detroit these days. Just like NYC , the per capita criminal rate is just under 5 per hundred thousand. Now, what about Dallas and Houston. and don't give me that crap about they are Dem Cities. At any time, the Governor can send in his SDFs to handle the emergency.

The only point you have is in that hat you wear while sitting in the corner.

Yes, and it is mostly all Democratic Party fans and illegal aliens committing them.

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[August West]

Maybe the Democrats could just offer a more attractive alternative to their rival party for the American people.

Generally speaking, I think the American people are uncomfortable with politicians who aren`t white males.

 

[Vrenn]

Youre cheney bush,Romney man are ya ..to bad
The fake opposition Republican party needed to be destroyed
Just like the gay retarded dei commie Democrat party needs to be smashed to


Burn the establishment down


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Wrong. I am a real Fiscal Conservative from the Ike era where the GOP actually look out for the majority of the people rather than a handful of billionaires.

You are a MAGAt who only supports a handful of billionaires that only think of themselves.

 

[Vrenn]

Yes, and it is mostly all Democratic Party fans and illegal aliens committing them.

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I can just see the clown car on this one. Sounds like the minor Cabinet People that the Orange Cheeto wannabe Gawd will have to fill those positions.

 

[Picaro]

I can just see the clown car on this one. Sounds like the minor Cabinet People that the Orange Cheeto wannabe Gawd will have to fill those positions.

Ah, babbling again. Did the nurse put your bib on?

And, those latinos are really into kiddie rapes, too, child abuse of one kind or another being also typical of Democrats.

 

[Vrenn]

Ah, babbling again. Did nurse put your bib on?

Hey, you presented the joke. I just commented on it, TopoGigo.

 

[BluesLegend]

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful.

Liberalism is a mental disease part #44,398

 

[Vrenn]

Liberalism is a mental disease part #44,398

In it's purest form, yes. Just like MAGAt in it's current form is a mental defect that feeds on itself.

Now, let's talk about where we mix both the Progressive and Conservative ideas where both contributes for the betterment of society.

 

[BluesLegend]

In it's purest form, yes. Just like MAGAt in it's current form is a mental defect that feeds on itself.

Now, let's talk about where we mix both the Progressive and Conservative ideas where both contributes for the betterment of society.

Statements like, "law abiding illegals" proves you have Dem blindness, seek treatment.

 

[Picaro]

In it's purest form, yes. Just like MAGAt in it's current form is a mental defect that feeds on itself.

Now, let's talk about where we mix both the Progressive and Conservative ideas where both contributes for the betterment of society.

lol you mean like 'Progressives' who will replace Civil War statues with statues of NAMBLA fans like Harry Hay?

Meet Pioneer of Gay Rights, Harry Hay

His should be a household name.

progressive.org

Maybe if they cooperate with being deported we could work out an agreement.

 

[Modern Messiah]

Texas didn't bail them out.

And Dallas and Houston have a higher crime rate than Detroit these days. Just like NYC , the per capita criminal rate is just under 5 per hundred thousand. Now, what about Dallas and Houston. and don't give me that crap about they are Dem Cities. At any time, the Governor can send in his SDFs to handle the emergency.

The only point you have is in that hat you wear while sitting in the corner.

One of the states that trended most heavily towards President Trump in this election was New York. Per Capita, More people in New York switched from voting democrat to voting Republican. FACT! Polling shows that one of the main reasons for that was the out of control crime. The other main reason was the importation of thousands and thousands of criminal illegal aliens. FACT!
San Francisco used to be the most beautiful city in the country. Now you have homeless shantytowns lining the streets with people defacating on the side walk. FACT! Thanks nancy pelosi. Detroit was the auto industry giant of the world. That's right! The biggest invention of the twentieth century (the automobile). They were also the entertainment capital of the country. All of those old Motown hits we've been listening to our entire lives. Yep made in Detroit. One generation of leftist politicians and it all went down the toilet. Kind of like vise president cackles. She was basically given 1.5 billion dollars and she literally blew it. What about St. Louis, and Portland. California is a paradise in which people are now trampling over each other to leave. You can include major corporations in the exodus as well. There is a well established pattern of behavior here that you don't seem to understand. Everything you people touch you destroy.

 

[Picaro]

One of the states that trended most heavily towards President Trump in this election was New York.

44% went GOP. Democrat Gerrymandering held the number of House seats the GOP won to 7, when they should have gotten 12 of New York's. Close to same in Cali and Illinois. About 20 seats lost that should be GOP, according to Eric Holder's own sniveling over the electoral college being 'outdated n stuff'. Suddenly we don't hear a peep about that from Democrats now,

 

[JGalt]

I have to agree on that one. The same goes for the MAGAts that hijacked the GOP. I can see the Dems presenting a better candidate long before the MAGAts. If they don't, we get a whole series of clowns driving clown cars.

Hey, Bubba. You didn't lose an election because the "Make America Great Again" faction assimilated the GOP.

You lost because the Democrat Party became infected with Marxism.

Don't blame us. Look at your own party.

 

[JGalt]

In it's purest form, yes. Just like MAGAt in it's current form is a mental defect that feeds on itself.

Now, let's talk about where we mix both the Progressive and Conservative ideas where both contributes for the betterment of society.

Making America great again is a "mental defect"?

Do you ever read what you write?

 

[Modern Messiah]

In it's purest form, yes. Just like MAGAt in it's current form is a mental defect that feeds on itself.

Now, let's talk about where we mix both the Progressive and Conservative ideas where both contributes for the betterment of society.

You contribute nothing to this country or this conversation. You are a low information, TDS afflicted troll.
Even if President Trump does nothing with his four year term, it's still worth it in order to get your child trafficking, child raping, child murdering, women trafficking, women raping, women murdering, child mutilating, inflation causing, sociopathic, over controlling administration out of the Country's White House. I.E. the progressives.
It will go down in history as one of the greatest accomplishments since this country's founding.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Maybe the Democrats could just offer a more attractive alternative to their rival party for the American people.

Yep....a giggling doofus.

Keep trying.

 

[August West]

I can just see the clown car on this one. Sounds like the minor Cabinet People that the Orange Cheeto wannabe Gawd will have to fill those positions.

They`re brave souls because working for the convicted felon has destroyed quite a few careers. Rudy Giuliani lost everything and doesn`t even own a credit card and Steve Bannon was released from prison last week.

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