From the files of "What Would Abe Lincoln Do?" - A new Confederacy forming among the eastern states

[August West]

I'm pretty sure the tax revenue for the entire country of Canada is less than the 100 billion a year New York State receives from the Fed a.k.a the US tax payer. Whoever dreamed up this succession idea is a retard moron.

A person who doesn`t know the difference between succession and secession was not their class Valedictorian.

 

[August West]

I remember when Jimmy Carter invited all of the draft dodgers who found freedom in Canada to return, and no charges would be filed. They wisely said, "no thanks".

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

A person who doesn`t know the difference between succession and secession was not their class Valedictorian.

It's almost as if I have a mild form of Aphasia. Still I couldn't think as slow as people like yourself if I tried.

 

[Picaro]

Again, it all depends on the layers of the water table. One side says there is nothing wrong with Fracing while your side says it's always bad.

lol what's ' my side'? Oil often resides in the same type of structures where aquifers collect water. Duh. In fact blocking water from the wells is a primary concern in oil well drilling. With fracking methods they don't bother much with that.

 

[Vrenn]

I've read over your posts in this thread and a lot of your posts don't even make logical sense. Do even know what is going on? Are you another TDS victim mindlessly bloviating your claptrap in any random thread?

And you are a MAGAt which is even worse.

I'm not using the National Guard for police duties you idiot. Crime is so out of control in New York City that the National Guard was deployed to the New York subway system. The voters/citizens of New York literally voted for a bunch of leftist politicians and now their city is overrun by corruption and violence.

Considering it is a Democrat Guv that made that order.

So this is obviously what the citizens want right? Either that or they are so stupid that they are voting for their own demise. I'm just pointing out that indoctrinated leftist continually vote against their own best interests. Basically, stupid people voting for stupid people who put them in stupid situations. Good thing the Government bailed them out again. Or the subway system would be a military zone that a majority of New York citizens literally voted for. Without the Federal Government bailing them out they would never survive. Stupidity is the antithesis self preservation.

I watch my Grand Ole Party go right down the drain into a big dumpster fire when it got behind that Orange Cheeto Gawd wannabe.

There are a few states with SDF groups that normally handle that duty. CA and TX are two that have that. And the SDF is not normally subject to it's members being federalized as most of them do not have a Federal Military Commitment. But NY has no SDF, it has just the National Guard that fulfills the same requirement and can be federalized. But sending them into a State Emergency does not require Federal Permission since it's a State Emergency and is controlled by the Governor. And, yes, even where I am, the National Guard is called up for emergency duties. This has nothing to do with Politics or your Orange Cheeto Gawd wannabe.

 

[Vrenn]

lol what's ' my side'? Oil often resides in the same type of structures where aquifers collect water. Duh. In fact blocking water from the wells is a primary concern in oil well drilling. With fracking methods they don't bother much with that.

According to you, that means that ALL Fraccing is wrong. Can you get any dumber?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Let them go, by Gawd!

But make sure they give over any historical artifacts and documents pertaining to the United States. We got room for 'em in Texas.

 

[Modern Messiah]

And you are a MAGAt which is even worse.



Considering it is a Democrat Guv that made that order.



I watch my Grand Ole Party go right down the drain into a big dumpster fire when it got behind that Orange Cheeto Gawd wannabe.

There are a few states with SDF groups that normally handle that duty. CA and TX are two that have that. And the SDF is not normally subject to it's members being federalized as most of them do not have a Federal Military Commitment. But NY has no SDF, it has just the National Guard that fulfills the same requirement and can be federalized. But sending them into a State Emergency does not require Federal Permission since it's a State Emergency and is controlled by the Governor. And, yes, even where I am, the National Guard is called up for emergency duties. This has nothing to do with Politics or your Orange Cheeto Gawd wannabe.

You just made my point dolt. You people would never be able to survive without others bailing you out constantly from your stupid decisions. It doesn't speak very well for your competence when every blue city seems to devolve into a financial, criminal ridden mess. How's Detroit doing you butthead?

 

[HikerGuy83]

That’s fine, let them go, best wishes to them.

If only.

With one provision......you can't give them back (after you figure out what a bunch of dumbassed woke sissies they are).

 

[HikerGuy83]

If the blue states just refuse to allow Federal Taxes in their states, tRump and his clowns would bankrupt the US in about months. The Clown Car has already threatened to not send federal money to California. Fine, don't. And CA refuses to send any of the Federal Tax moneys to the Feds. Last time I checked, the Blue States are in the black while the red states are in the red.

Yes....let's see that report.

 

[BackAgain]

They're just too lazy to flee to Canada after Trump's win.

They want Canada to come to them.

I am fairly sure that Canada would no more take in NY than the U.S. would take in Cali, Columbia.

 

[Picaro]

According to you, that means that ALL Fraccing is wrong. Can you get any dumber?

Dumber than you about the oil business? No. You don't even know how fracking works.

 

[Picaro]

Yes....let's see that report.

He'll have to dig around in his ass to find it and pull it out.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I am fairly sure that Canada would no more take in NY than the U.S. would take in Cali, Columbia.

I'm still game.

Let them go.

Without NY EC......the left is toast.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don’t wanna join Canada!!!!!!

Canada doesn't even want to join Canada.

 

[Picaro]

I remember when Jimmy Carter invited all of the draft dodgers who found freedom in Canada to return, and no charges would be filed. They wisely said, "no thanks".

Rubbish. The rich kids stayed, the other half, the working class types, came back. Mommy and Daddy kept the rich kids well fed and stoned.

"AI Overview
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About halfof the draft evaders who fled to Canada during the Vietnam War returned to the United States after President Jimmy Carter issued a pardon in 1977. The other half remained in Canada.



Some of the reasons why draft evaders returned to the United States include:

• Lower class: They had trouble finding work in Canada
• Ethnic minorities: They had trouble assimilating to Canadian culture
• Leftist radicals: A minority of these individuals demanded amnesty "
  
  
  Some 500,000 men were draft evaders; only about 3,200 were ever jailed for it. About 50,000 went to Canada out of half a million. Nobody misses them.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Time to polish up the muskets and saddle up the horses, boys, Civil War is coming again. Except this time the secessionists could be four Yankee states who want to be a part of Canada.

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province​

According to Krueger, New York's values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than Trump's



"As tensions rise over President-elect Donald Trump's impending second term, a Democratic state senator from New York has suggested a drastic solution: secession. Liz Krueger, chair of the New York State Senate Finance Committee, has proposed that New York leave the United States and join Canada, arguing that Trump's policies threaten the state's progressive values and federal funding, according to Washington Examiner.

Radical Proposals to Counter Trump​

Krueger, a prominent Democrat from Manhattan, has gained attention for her unconventional proposals to counter Trump's administration. Among these are withholding federal taxes and a call for New York, along with other liberal states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, to secede and become a province of Canada, per reports from Politico.

"It's not unreasonable to think outside of the box," Krueger stated during an interview with Politico. She cited Trump's planned mass deportations and his threats to withhold federal funding from sanctuary states as reasons for her proposals.

Krueger highlighted the financial stakes involved. New York contributes approximately $362 billion annually in tax revenue to the federal government but relies on $85 billion in federal aid, much of it earmarked for Medicaid. She argued that withholding tax payments could serve as leverage if Trump follows through on his threats to cut funding.

"We're talking a lot of money," Krueger said. "Money we couldn't possibly replace unless we started sending the feds a lot less money."

A Vision of Secession​

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful. She first proposed the idea in September, before Trump's election victory.

"Why do I have to leave this country? I love this country," she said. "But if Trump wins a second term, it's not actually my fault or the fault of people in New York. I thought I'd suggest to Canada that, instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night, they let us become a new southeast province."

According to Krueger, New York's progressive values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than with Trump's America. She believes this alignment makes her proposal "probably sellable" in Ottawa, Canada's capital.

While Krueger's proposals have stirred debate, they have also drawn criticism and scepticism. Long Island Assemblymember Chuck Lavine cautioned against escalating tensions.

"It's not our job to pick up the pitchforks that have been dropped by his many followers," Lavine stated, referencing Trump's supporters.

Even some Democrats have expressed concerns about the feasibility of withholding federal taxes or secession. Trump himself, who received 43% of New York's vote in 2024, has pledged to support key infrastructure projects in the state, including the Gateway Tunnel and Penn Station renovations, per Washington Examiner.

"I'll believe it when I see it," said Manhattan state Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, reflecting the scepticism among left-leaning lawmakers about Trump's promises to aid New York.

Broader Implications​

Trump's administration is expected to wield significant power, with a Republican majority in Congress and a conservative-leaning judiciary. This dominance has left New York Democrats searching for ways to protect vulnerable communities and uphold progressive policies.

During Trump's first term, New York's Democratic majority passed legislation expanding voting rights, bolstering abortion access, and forcing the release of Trump's state tax returns. However, the current political climate poses new challenges.

"With the courts aligned largely against New York at the federal level and the other two branches of government under Republican control, it's going to be tough sledding," Hoylman-Sigal said, according to Washington Examiner.

A Bold Statement or a Real Plan?​

Krueger's proposal to join Canada has sparked conversations about the limits of state resistance to federal power. While the idea may seem far-fetched, it reflects the depth of discontent among progressive lawmakers who feel their values are increasingly at odds with those of the federal government."

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province

The massive elephant in the room is that Canada is a fuckin mess in their own right. They can barely keep Quebec from seceeding. Their economy is a wreck and their government incompetant.

The point is they would never agree to this and would never accept such a new province.

It reminds me of a Big Bang Theory episode I just rewatched where the nerds fight over who gets to ask out Sheldon's hot sister. Only to realize that she thinks all three are unattractive losers.

 

[AsherN]

Krueger wouldn't like being part of Canada. They still have opposing political parties and thus might choose conservative candidates. The lefty Trudeau has become unpopular and Poilievere, a conservative is now popular. If Krueger wants to live in a solidly left nation, here are the choices: China, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, or Laos. No conservative opposition in those nations.

You have to understand the Conservatives in Canada are still miles left of Democrats.

 

[Vrenn]

You just made my point dolt. You people would never be able to survive without others bailing you out constantly from your stupid decisions. It doesn't speak very well for your competence when every blue city seems to devolve into a financial, criminal ridden mess. How's Detroit doing you butthead?

Texas didn't bail them out.

And Dallas and Houston have a higher crime rate than Detroit these days. Just like NYC , the per capita criminal rate is just under 5 per hundred thousand. Now, what about Dallas and Houston. and don't give me that crap about they are Dem Cities. At any time, the Governor can send in his SDFs to handle the emergency.

The only point you have is in that hat you wear while sitting in the corner.

 

[Mac1958]

Maybe the Democrats could just offer a more attractive alternative to their rival party for the American people.