From the files of "What Would Abe Lincoln Do?" - A new Confederacy forming among the eastern states

[Cellblock2429]

Time to polish up the muskets and saddle up the horses, boys, Civil War is coming again. Except this time the secessionists could be four Yankee states who want to be a part of Canada.

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province​

According to Krueger, New York's values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than Trump's



"As tensions rise over President-elect Donald Trump's impending second term, a Democratic state senator from New York has suggested a drastic solution: secession. Liz Krueger, chair of the New York State Senate Finance Committee, has proposed that New York leave the United States and join Canada, arguing that Trump's policies threaten the state's progressive values and federal funding, according to Washington Examiner.

Radical Proposals to Counter Trump​

Krueger, a prominent Democrat from Manhattan, has gained attention for her unconventional proposals to counter Trump's administration. Among these are withholding federal taxes and a call for New York, along with other liberal states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, to secede and become a province of Canada, per reports from Politico.

"It's not unreasonable to think outside of the box," Krueger stated during an interview with Politico. She cited Trump's planned mass deportations and his threats to withhold federal funding from sanctuary states as reasons for her proposals.

Krueger highlighted the financial stakes involved. New York contributes approximately $362 billion annually in tax revenue to the federal government but relies on $85 billion in federal aid, much of it earmarked for Medicaid. She argued that withholding tax payments could serve as leverage if Trump follows through on his threats to cut funding.

"We're talking a lot of money," Krueger said. "Money we couldn't possibly replace unless we started sending the feds a lot less money."

A Vision of Secession​

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful. She first proposed the idea in September, before Trump's election victory.

"Why do I have to leave this country? I love this country," she said. "But if Trump wins a second term, it's not actually my fault or the fault of people in New York. I thought I'd suggest to Canada that, instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night, they let us become a new southeast province."

According to Krueger, New York's progressive values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than with Trump's America. She believes this alignment makes her proposal "probably sellable" in Ottawa, Canada's capital.

While Krueger's proposals have stirred debate, they have also drawn criticism and scepticism. Long Island Assemblymember Chuck Lavine cautioned against escalating tensions.

"It's not our job to pick up the pitchforks that have been dropped by his many followers," Lavine stated, referencing Trump's supporters.

Even some Democrats have expressed concerns about the feasibility of withholding federal taxes or secession. Trump himself, who received 43% of New York's vote in 2024, has pledged to support key infrastructure projects in the state, including the Gateway Tunnel and Penn Station renovations, per Washington Examiner.

"I'll believe it when I see it," said Manhattan state Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, reflecting the scepticism among left-leaning lawmakers about Trump's promises to aid New York.

Broader Implications​

Trump's administration is expected to wield significant power, with a Republican majority in Congress and a conservative-leaning judiciary. This dominance has left New York Democrats searching for ways to protect vulnerable communities and uphold progressive policies.

During Trump's first term, New York's Democratic majority passed legislation expanding voting rights, bolstering abortion access, and forcing the release of Trump's state tax returns. However, the current political climate poses new challenges.

"With the courts aligned largely against New York at the federal level and the other two branches of government under Republican control, it's going to be tough sledding," Hoylman-Sigal said, according to Washington Examiner.

A Bold Statement or a Real Plan?​

Krueger's proposal to join Canada has sparked conversations about the limits of state resistance to federal power. While the idea may seem far-fetched, it reflects the depth of discontent among progressive lawmakers who feel their values are increasingly at odds with those of the federal government."

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province

/—-/ And how much of that $362 billion will stay in the north east?
Wall Street? Military bases? Banking? How many corporations will flee to other states taking their revenue and skilled workers with them?
The fat broad is just blowing smoke.

 

[Obiwan]

Time to polish up the muskets and saddle up the horses, boys, Civil War is coming again. Except this time the secessionists could be four Yankee states who want to be a part of Canada.

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province​

According to Krueger, New York's values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than Trump's



"As tensions rise over President-elect Donald Trump's impending second term, a Democratic state senator from New York has suggested a drastic solution: secession. Liz Krueger, chair of the New York State Senate Finance Committee, has proposed that New York leave the United States and join Canada, arguing that Trump's policies threaten the state's progressive values and federal funding, according to Washington Examiner.

Radical Proposals to Counter Trump​

Krueger, a prominent Democrat from Manhattan, has gained attention for her unconventional proposals to counter Trump's administration. Among these are withholding federal taxes and a call for New York, along with other liberal states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, to secede and become a province of Canada, per reports from Politico.

"It's not unreasonable to think outside of the box," Krueger stated during an interview with Politico. She cited Trump's planned mass deportations and his threats to withhold federal funding from sanctuary states as reasons for her proposals.

Krueger highlighted the financial stakes involved. New York contributes approximately $362 billion annually in tax revenue to the federal government but relies on $85 billion in federal aid, much of it earmarked for Medicaid. She argued that withholding tax payments could serve as leverage if Trump follows through on his threats to cut funding.

"We're talking a lot of money," Krueger said. "Money we couldn't possibly replace unless we started sending the feds a lot less money."

A Vision of Secession​

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful. She first proposed the idea in September, before Trump's election victory.

"Why do I have to leave this country? I love this country," she said. "But if Trump wins a second term, it's not actually my fault or the fault of people in New York. I thought I'd suggest to Canada that, instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night, they let us become a new southeast province."

According to Krueger, New York's progressive values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than with Trump's America. She believes this alignment makes her proposal "probably sellable" in Ottawa, Canada's capital.

While Krueger's proposals have stirred debate, they have also drawn criticism and scepticism. Long Island Assemblymember Chuck Lavine cautioned against escalating tensions.

"It's not our job to pick up the pitchforks that have been dropped by his many followers," Lavine stated, referencing Trump's supporters.

Even some Democrats have expressed concerns about the feasibility of withholding federal taxes or secession. Trump himself, who received 43% of New York's vote in 2024, has pledged to support key infrastructure projects in the state, including the Gateway Tunnel and Penn Station renovations, per Washington Examiner.

"I'll believe it when I see it," said Manhattan state Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, reflecting the scepticism among left-leaning lawmakers about Trump's promises to aid New York.

Broader Implications​

Trump's administration is expected to wield significant power, with a Republican majority in Congress and a conservative-leaning judiciary. This dominance has left New York Democrats searching for ways to protect vulnerable communities and uphold progressive policies.

During Trump's first term, New York's Democratic majority passed legislation expanding voting rights, bolstering abortion access, and forcing the release of Trump's state tax returns. However, the current political climate poses new challenges.

"With the courts aligned largely against New York at the federal level and the other two branches of government under Republican control, it's going to be tough sledding," Hoylman-Sigal said, according to Washington Examiner.

A Bold Statement or a Real Plan?​

Krueger's proposal to join Canada has sparked conversations about the limits of state resistance to federal power. While the idea may seem far-fetched, it reflects the depth of discontent among progressive lawmakers who feel their values are increasingly at odds with those of the federal government."

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province

Can we arm up and force Canada to take them???

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The budget deficit for 2022 and 2023 was 68 billion. For 2024, it's about a 26 billion. You have to tighten your belt like that to get out of the deficit but you can't do it all at once.

And the Deficit has nothing to do with the money that CA sends to the feds versus how much the feds give back to them. 1/3rd of all income taxes paid in CA goes to the Federal Government. I think the percentage is 31% to CA from the feds while CA gives 33%+ to the Federal Government. The excess is redistributed to states like West Virginia and Mississippi who need it just to keep their doors open.

You stated that blue states like California are in the "black" which means that they are taking in more than they spend. A budget deficit is the opposite of being in the black. I'm no economist but you seem to be real deficient in that area.

 

[wamose]

Donald Trump isn't these state's problem. Democrat governance is. Just look at the destruction Democrats have done in these last four years. It's time for them to STFU. Nothing good comes from them anymore. MAGA

 

[Vrenn]

I.e. To help buy Democrats' votes. lol no sale.

We are supposed to be looking at economics. You seem to put everything into your hate and fear. Texas is also in the same category as Califoria where it sends more tax money to the Feds than it gets back. Texas is doing just fine if you overlook the current fear mongering that is there. I almost moved to northern Texas because of the people, cost of living and more. What kept me from doing it? The floods, fires and tornadoes.

 

[Vrenn]

You stated that blue states like California are in the "black" which means that they are taking in more than they spend. A budget deficit is the opposite of being in the black. I'm no economist but you seem to be real deficient in that area.

Almost all the states are in a deficit including the successful red states like Texas. But both Texas and California send the Federals more than the Federals send back to them. Meanwhile, Wyoming, AK, Miss, LA and yes, even New Mexico get back more than they send. These states would be dustbins if it weren't for the assistance that the Feds give them. And where does that assistance come from?

 

[Vrenn]

Donald Trump isn't these state's problem. Democrat governance is. Just look at the destruction Democrats have done in these last four years. It's time for them to STFU. Nothing good comes from them anymore. MAGA

Yah, just back the clown car the hell up and let's get those clowns unloaded and busy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The rift between New England and the rest of the country, especially the south and west, has been there since the founding of the country. They been threatening to secede since the 1790's. Yankees never considered 'secession' to be 'illegal n stuff' until they hit on a scheme to subsidize their own corporate welfare projects by looting the South, and voted for railroad lawyer Lincoln to steal it for them.

Hopefully they're stupid enough to actually do it; then we can laugh when Canada tells them to fuck off, and then tell them they can't come back. lol

Who the hell would want them back???? Nobody will die to keep Vermont or Massachusetts in the U.S.

Illegals are now a protected class in NY

 

[Cellblock2429]

Illegals are now a protected class in NY

/----/ Blue states are hemorraging citizens. They worry about losing House seats. They need the illegals for the next census.

 

[sparky]

Surely this proposal is complete lunacy simply to promote more Chaos

CBDC

the federal teat has run dry.....

~S~

 

[1srelluc]

no maple syrup for you Picaro

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~S~

Fine, I hate maple syrup....King Syrup for the win.

 

[boevans]

America is America: no running away by anybody.

 

[JGalt]

If the blue states just refuse to allow Federal Taxes in their states, tRump and his clowns would bankrupt the US in about months. The Clown Car has already threatened to not send federal money to California. Fine, don't. And CA refuses to send any of the Federal Tax moneys to the Feds. Last time I checked, the Blue States are in the black while the red states are in the red.

How so? California pays the federal government $8,048 per person per year, but the federal government turns around and pays California $4,372 per person per year. In other words, over half of the tax revenue the federal government collects from California, goes back to California. Cutting the money off to California sure as hell isn't going to bankrupt the US government, and California isn't all that self-sufficient enough to survive on its own.

 

[JGalt]

Fine, I hate maple syrup....King Syrup for the win.

Good old southern ribbon cane syrup for me. We southerners us that stuff for everything. Put a few drops on a squeaky door hinge, bore solvent, sex lube.

 

[JGalt]

We are supposed to be looking at economics. You seem to put everything into your hate and fear. Texas is also in the same category as Califoria where it sends more tax money to the Feds than it gets back. Texas is doing just fine if you overlook the current fear mongering that is there. I almost moved to northern Texas because of the people, cost of living and more. What kept me from doing it? The floods, fires and tornadoes.

"Texans sent the federal government $261 billion in taxes in 2016, and the state government received $39.5 billion in grants in return, or about 15 percent of our total federal tax tab."

Federal Funding in Texas

"In fiscal year 2021, the federal government provided about $93.4 billion to Texas's state and local governments. This included funds sent directly to local entities, such as cities and school districts, as well as money transferred to the state government.

In fiscal 2016, Texas received $1,493 per resident in federal funds, which was below the national average of $1,871. "

 

[Blaster]

Time to polish up the muskets and saddle up the horses, boys, Civil War is coming again. Except this time the secessionists could be four Yankee states who want to be a part of Canada.

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province​

According to Krueger, New York's values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than Trump's



"As tensions rise over President-elect Donald Trump's impending second term, a Democratic state senator from New York has suggested a drastic solution: secession. Liz Krueger, chair of the New York State Senate Finance Committee, has proposed that New York leave the United States and join Canada, arguing that Trump's policies threaten the state's progressive values and federal funding, according to Washington Examiner.

Radical Proposals to Counter Trump​

Krueger, a prominent Democrat from Manhattan, has gained attention for her unconventional proposals to counter Trump's administration. Among these are withholding federal taxes and a call for New York, along with other liberal states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, to secede and become a province of Canada, per reports from Politico.

"It's not unreasonable to think outside of the box," Krueger stated during an interview with Politico. She cited Trump's planned mass deportations and his threats to withhold federal funding from sanctuary states as reasons for her proposals.

Krueger highlighted the financial stakes involved. New York contributes approximately $362 billion annually in tax revenue to the federal government but relies on $85 billion in federal aid, much of it earmarked for Medicaid. She argued that withholding tax payments could serve as leverage if Trump follows through on his threats to cut funding.

"We're talking a lot of money," Krueger said. "Money we couldn't possibly replace unless we started sending the feds a lot less money."

A Vision of Secession​

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful. She first proposed the idea in September, before Trump's election victory.

"Why do I have to leave this country? I love this country," she said. "But if Trump wins a second term, it's not actually my fault or the fault of people in New York. I thought I'd suggest to Canada that, instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night, they let us become a new southeast province."

According to Krueger, New York's progressive values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than with Trump's America. She believes this alignment makes her proposal "probably sellable" in Ottawa, Canada's capital.

While Krueger's proposals have stirred debate, they have also drawn criticism and scepticism. Long Island Assemblymember Chuck Lavine cautioned against escalating tensions.

"It's not our job to pick up the pitchforks that have been dropped by his many followers," Lavine stated, referencing Trump's supporters.

Even some Democrats have expressed concerns about the feasibility of withholding federal taxes or secession. Trump himself, who received 43% of New York's vote in 2024, has pledged to support key infrastructure projects in the state, including the Gateway Tunnel and Penn Station renovations, per Washington Examiner.

"I'll believe it when I see it," said Manhattan state Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, reflecting the scepticism among left-leaning lawmakers about Trump's promises to aid New York.

Broader Implications​

Trump's administration is expected to wield significant power, with a Republican majority in Congress and a conservative-leaning judiciary. This dominance has left New York Democrats searching for ways to protect vulnerable communities and uphold progressive policies.

During Trump's first term, New York's Democratic majority passed legislation expanding voting rights, bolstering abortion access, and forcing the release of Trump's state tax returns. However, the current political climate poses new challenges.

"With the courts aligned largely against New York at the federal level and the other two branches of government under Republican control, it's going to be tough sledding," Hoylman-Sigal said, according to Washington Examiner.

A Bold Statement or a Real Plan?​

Krueger's proposal to join Canada has sparked conversations about the limits of state resistance to federal power. While the idea may seem far-fetched, it reflects the depth of discontent among progressive lawmakers who feel their values are increasingly at odds with those of the federal government."

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province

The Twilight Zone.

 

[Picaro]

How so? California pays the federal government $8,048 per person per year, but the federal government turns around and pays California $4,372 per person per year. In other words, over half of the tax revenue the federal government collects from California, goes back to California. Cutting the money off to California sure as hell isn't going to bankrupt the US government, and California isn't all that self-sufficient enough to survive on its own.

They use their huge Congressional delegation to extort the rest of the country. Without illegal immigration past and present they lose around 15-20 seats. Without huge Federal water projects stealing water from other states, southern Cal dries up like the desert it is and LA disappears along with all those suburbs and most of the other towns, the Imperial Valley, etc. so lop off another 12 -15 million people on top of the illegals. The state goes from some 38 million to 15 million or so.

 

[progressive hunter]

Time to polish up the muskets and saddle up the horses, boys, Civil War is coming again. Except this time the secessionists could be four Yankee states who want to be a part of Canada.

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province​

According to Krueger, New York's values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than Trump's



"As tensions rise over President-elect Donald Trump's impending second term, a Democratic state senator from New York has suggested a drastic solution: secession. Liz Krueger, chair of the New York State Senate Finance Committee, has proposed that New York leave the United States and join Canada, arguing that Trump's policies threaten the state's progressive values and federal funding, according to Washington Examiner.

Radical Proposals to Counter Trump​

Krueger, a prominent Democrat from Manhattan, has gained attention for her unconventional proposals to counter Trump's administration. Among these are withholding federal taxes and a call for New York, along with other liberal states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, to secede and become a province of Canada, per reports from Politico.

"It's not unreasonable to think outside of the box," Krueger stated during an interview with Politico. She cited Trump's planned mass deportations and his threats to withhold federal funding from sanctuary states as reasons for her proposals.

Krueger highlighted the financial stakes involved. New York contributes approximately $362 billion annually in tax revenue to the federal government but relies on $85 billion in federal aid, much of it earmarked for Medicaid. She argued that withholding tax payments could serve as leverage if Trump follows through on his threats to cut funding.

"We're talking a lot of money," Krueger said. "Money we couldn't possibly replace unless we started sending the feds a lot less money."

A Vision of Secession​

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful. She first proposed the idea in September, before Trump's election victory.

"Why do I have to leave this country? I love this country," she said. "But if Trump wins a second term, it's not actually my fault or the fault of people in New York. I thought I'd suggest to Canada that, instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night, they let us become a new southeast province."

According to Krueger, New York's progressive values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than with Trump's America. She believes this alignment makes her proposal "probably sellable" in Ottawa, Canada's capital.

While Krueger's proposals have stirred debate, they have also drawn criticism and scepticism. Long Island Assemblymember Chuck Lavine cautioned against escalating tensions.

"It's not our job to pick up the pitchforks that have been dropped by his many followers," Lavine stated, referencing Trump's supporters.

Even some Democrats have expressed concerns about the feasibility of withholding federal taxes or secession. Trump himself, who received 43% of New York's vote in 2024, has pledged to support key infrastructure projects in the state, including the Gateway Tunnel and Penn Station renovations, per Washington Examiner.

"I'll believe it when I see it," said Manhattan state Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, reflecting the scepticism among left-leaning lawmakers about Trump's promises to aid New York.

Broader Implications​

Trump's administration is expected to wield significant power, with a Republican majority in Congress and a conservative-leaning judiciary. This dominance has left New York Democrats searching for ways to protect vulnerable communities and uphold progressive policies.

During Trump's first term, New York's Democratic majority passed legislation expanding voting rights, bolstering abortion access, and forcing the release of Trump's state tax returns. However, the current political climate poses new challenges.

"With the courts aligned largely against New York at the federal level and the other two branches of government under Republican control, it's going to be tough sledding," Hoylman-Sigal said, according to Washington Examiner.

A Bold Statement or a Real Plan?​

Krueger's proposal to join Canada has sparked conversations about the limits of state resistance to federal power. While the idea may seem far-fetched, it reflects the depth of discontent among progressive lawmakers who feel their values are increasingly at odds with those of the federal government."

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province

wouldnt it be easier for them just to move to canada??

I mean all the paper work and hassles would take forever and theyre getting pretty old,,


just sayin,,

 

[Picaro]

We are supposed to be looking at economics. You seem to put everything into your hate and fear. Texas is also in the same category as Califoria where it sends more tax money to the Feds than it gets back. Texas is doing just fine if you overlook the current fear mongering that is there. I almost moved to northern Texas because of the people, cost of living and more. What kept me from doing it? The floods, fires and tornadoes.

lol nothing to do with what I said. You're just projecting.

Texas population is outrunning its infrastructure, too many too fast, and this will cause some major crises, especially re water and electricity and health care. It can't afford unlimited illegal aliens, either. Losing 4 or 5 seats in Congress is fine with me.

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www.myhighplains.com

Fracking is tearing up a lot of underground reservoirs. Oil well drilling was a major problem for my grandparents and their small town neighbors , ruining their water wells and irrigation. It's no different now.

 

[Picaro]

Illegals are now a protected class in NY

Now they're being all racist n shit and shipping them to Florida. they suddenly aren't embracing the tired, poor, and hungry any more. But they still demand Texas pay for them.

Anyways, according to the libertoons and the U.S. Chamber Of Commerce, New York's economy should be booming from all that cheap labor. Wonder why that isn't happening?

Why is California running big deficits? Isn't open borders and cheap labor a good thing? Been wide open for going on 4 years; why didn't food prices drop by half instead of almost doubling? They pick crops and stuff, right?