From the files of "What Would Abe Lincoln Do?" - A new Confederacy forming among the eastern states

Liz Kreuger is a victim of her own ignorance and bias. A quick look at counties in the north east shows overwhelming support for Trump. Advocating the violent overthrow of the government used to be the definition of treason and would warrant a visit from the FBI but in an environment of political hatred and media bias as well as a mentally impaired president somehow it almost seems normal.
 
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Time to polish up the muskets and saddle up the horses, boys, Civil War is coming again. Except this time the secessionists could be four Yankee states who want to be a part of Canada.

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province​


According to Krueger, New York's values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than Trump's



"As tensions rise over President-elect Donald Trump's impending second term, a Democratic state senator from New York has suggested a drastic solution: secession. Liz Krueger, chair of the New York State Senate Finance Committee, has proposed that New York leave the United States and join Canada, arguing that Trump's policies threaten the state's progressive values and federal funding, according to Washington Examiner.

Radical Proposals to Counter Trump​

Krueger, a prominent Democrat from Manhattan, has gained attention for her unconventional proposals to counter Trump's administration. Among these are withholding federal taxes and a call for New York, along with other liberal states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, to secede and become a province of Canada, per reports from Politico.

"It's not unreasonable to think outside of the box," Krueger stated during an interview with Politico. She cited Trump's planned mass deportations and his threats to withhold federal funding from sanctuary states as reasons for her proposals.

Krueger highlighted the financial stakes involved. New York contributes approximately $362 billion annually in tax revenue to the federal government but relies on $85 billion in federal aid, much of it earmarked for Medicaid. She argued that withholding tax payments could serve as leverage if Trump follows through on his threats to cut funding.

"We're talking a lot of money," Krueger said. "Money we couldn't possibly replace unless we started sending the feds a lot less money."

A Vision of Secession​

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful. She first proposed the idea in September, before Trump's election victory.

"Why do I have to leave this country? I love this country," she said. "But if Trump wins a second term, it's not actually my fault or the fault of people in New York. I thought I'd suggest to Canada that, instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night, they let us become a new southeast province."

According to Krueger, New York's progressive values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than with Trump's America. She believes this alignment makes her proposal "probably sellable" in Ottawa, Canada's capital.

While Krueger's proposals have stirred debate, they have also drawn criticism and scepticism. Long Island Assemblymember Chuck Lavine cautioned against escalating tensions.

"It's not our job to pick up the pitchforks that have been dropped by his many followers," Lavine stated, referencing Trump's supporters.

Even some Democrats have expressed concerns about the feasibility of withholding federal taxes or secession. Trump himself, who received 43% of New York's vote in 2024, has pledged to support key infrastructure projects in the state, including the Gateway Tunnel and Penn Station renovations, per Washington Examiner.

"I'll believe it when I see it," said Manhattan state Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, reflecting the scepticism among left-leaning lawmakers about Trump's promises to aid New York.

Broader Implications​

Trump's administration is expected to wield significant power, with a Republican majority in Congress and a conservative-leaning judiciary. This dominance has left New York Democrats searching for ways to protect vulnerable communities and uphold progressive policies.

During Trump's first term, New York's Democratic majority passed legislation expanding voting rights, bolstering abortion access, and forcing the release of Trump's state tax returns. However, the current political climate poses new challenges.

"With the courts aligned largely against New York at the federal level and the other two branches of government under Republican control, it's going to be tough sledding," Hoylman-Sigal said, according to Washington Examiner.

A Bold Statement or a Real Plan?​

Krueger's proposal to join Canada has sparked conversations about the limits of state resistance to federal power. While the idea may seem far-fetched, it reflects the depth of discontent among progressive lawmakers who feel their values are increasingly at odds with those of the federal government."

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province
That’s fine, let them go, best wishes to them.
 
That’s fine, let them go, best wishes to them.

We could save some money by only having 46 stars on the flag too. :auiqs.jpg:

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"Texans sent the federal government $261 billion in taxes in 2016, and the state government received $39.5 billion in grants in return, or about 15 percent of our total federal tax tab."

Federal Funding in Texas

"In fiscal year 2021, the federal government provided about $93.4 billion to Texas's state and local governments. This included funds sent directly to local entities, such as cities and school districts, as well as money transferred to the state government.

In fiscal 2016, Texas received $1,493 per resident in federal funds, which was below the national average of $1,871. "
TEXIT!
 
Time to polish up the muskets and saddle up the horses, boys, Civil War is coming again. Except this time the secessionists could be four Yankee states who want to be a part of Canada.

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province​


According to Krueger, New York's values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than Trump's



"As tensions rise over President-elect Donald Trump's impending second term, a Democratic state senator from New York has suggested a drastic solution: secession. Liz Krueger, chair of the New York State Senate Finance Committee, has proposed that New York leave the United States and join Canada, arguing that Trump's policies threaten the state's progressive values and federal funding, according to Washington Examiner.

Radical Proposals to Counter Trump​

Krueger, a prominent Democrat from Manhattan, has gained attention for her unconventional proposals to counter Trump's administration. Among these are withholding federal taxes and a call for New York, along with other liberal states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, to secede and become a province of Canada, per reports from Politico.

"It's not unreasonable to think outside of the box," Krueger stated during an interview with Politico. She cited Trump's planned mass deportations and his threats to withhold federal funding from sanctuary states as reasons for her proposals.

Krueger highlighted the financial stakes involved. New York contributes approximately $362 billion annually in tax revenue to the federal government but relies on $85 billion in federal aid, much of it earmarked for Medicaid. She argued that withholding tax payments could serve as leverage if Trump follows through on his threats to cut funding.

"We're talking a lot of money," Krueger said. "Money we couldn't possibly replace unless we started sending the feds a lot less money."

A Vision of Secession​

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful. She first proposed the idea in September, before Trump's election victory.

"Why do I have to leave this country? I love this country," she said. "But if Trump wins a second term, it's not actually my fault or the fault of people in New York. I thought I'd suggest to Canada that, instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night, they let us become a new southeast province."

According to Krueger, New York's progressive values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than with Trump's America. She believes this alignment makes her proposal "probably sellable" in Ottawa, Canada's capital.

While Krueger's proposals have stirred debate, they have also drawn criticism and scepticism. Long Island Assemblymember Chuck Lavine cautioned against escalating tensions.

"It's not our job to pick up the pitchforks that have been dropped by his many followers," Lavine stated, referencing Trump's supporters.

Even some Democrats have expressed concerns about the feasibility of withholding federal taxes or secession. Trump himself, who received 43% of New York's vote in 2024, has pledged to support key infrastructure projects in the state, including the Gateway Tunnel and Penn Station renovations, per Washington Examiner.

"I'll believe it when I see it," said Manhattan state Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, reflecting the scepticism among left-leaning lawmakers about Trump's promises to aid New York.

Broader Implications​

Trump's administration is expected to wield significant power, with a Republican majority in Congress and a conservative-leaning judiciary. This dominance has left New York Democrats searching for ways to protect vulnerable communities and uphold progressive policies.

During Trump's first term, New York's Democratic majority passed legislation expanding voting rights, bolstering abortion access, and forcing the release of Trump's state tax returns. However, the current political climate poses new challenges.

"With the courts aligned largely against New York at the federal level and the other two branches of government under Republican control, it's going to be tough sledding," Hoylman-Sigal said, according to Washington Examiner.

A Bold Statement or a Real Plan?​

Krueger's proposal to join Canada has sparked conversations about the limits of state resistance to federal power. While the idea may seem far-fetched, it reflects the depth of discontent among progressive lawmakers who feel their values are increasingly at odds with those of the federal government."

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province
Poor Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Maine would also be cut off from the rest of the United States. I guess that can become independent countries.
 
lol nothing to do with what I said. You're just projecting.

Texas population is outrunning its infrastructure, too many too fast, and this will cause some major crises, especially re water and electricity and health care. It can't afford unlimited illegal aliens, either. Losing 4 or 5 seats in Congress is fine with me.


Fracking is tearing up a lot of underground reservoirs. Oil well drilling was a major problem for my grandparents and their small town neighbors , ruining their water wells and irrigation. It's no different now.

When your oil is within a thousand feet of the surface, I don't believe that it's a bright idea to frac. But here, they are having to go at least 7000 feet to reach the oil. Here, the oil is way down below any water table so fraccing ain't a bad idea. But in Texas, some of the water tables are near the oil deposits.
 
When your oil is within a thousand feet of the surface, I don't believe that it's a bright idea to frac. But here, they are having to go at least 7000 feet to reach the oil. Here, the oil is way down below any water table so fraccing ain't a bad idea. But in Texas, some of the water tables are near the oil deposits.

They have to punch through many layers, and then they flood the holes. That stuff goes in all directions, where ever the pressures force it., up, down all around, through fissures at all depths, up or down. So, yes, fracking is a bad idea; it's so pervasive in some fields it's causing seismic shifts and tremors.
 
If the blue states just refuse to allow Federal Taxes in their states, tRump and his clowns would bankrupt the US in about months. The Clown Car has already threatened to not send federal money to California. Fine, don't. And CA refuses to send any of the Federal Tax moneys to the Feds. Last time I checked, the Blue States are in the black while the red states are in the red.
There is so much crime in new york city subway system on a daily basis that the National Guard has to deploy troops and patrol the place like it's a war zone. This is a clear cut indicator of how stupid, and out of touch these leftists are. Without the Federal Government these people would die. The people of new york voted for senator liz kruger. And as far as all the rapant crime in their cities. Well the leftists voted for that as well. It's just unadulterated stupidity.
 
They have to punch through many layers, and then they flood the holes. That stuff goes in all directions, where ever the pressures force it., up, down all around, through fissures at all depths, up or down. So, yes, fracking is a bad idea; it's so pervasive in some fields it's causing seismic shifts and tremors.

Again, it all depends on the layers of the water table. One side says there is nothing wrong with Fracing while your side says it's always bad.
 
There is so much crime in new york city subway system on a daily basis that the National Guard has to deploy troops and patrol the place like it's a war zone. This is a clear cut indicator of how stupid, and out of touch these leftists are. Without the Federal Government these people would die. The people of new york voted for senator liz kruger. And as far as all the rapant crime in their cities. Well the leftists voted for that as well. It's just unadulterated stupidity.

So now you are using the National Guard for police duties. I guess that goes with all the other lies you keep spewing.
 
So now you are using the National Guard for police duties. I guess that goes with all the other lies you keep spewing.
I've read over your posts in this thread and a lot of your posts don't even make logical sense. Do even know what is going on? Are you another TDS victim mindlessly bloviating your claptrap in any random thread? I'm not using the National Guard for police duties you idiot. Crime is so out of control in New York City that the National Guard was deployed to the New York subway system. The voters/citizens of New York literally voted for a bunch of leftist politicians and now their city is overrun by corruption and violence. So this is obviously what the citizens want right? Either that or they are so stupid that they are voting for their own demise. I'm just pointing out that indoctrinated leftist continually vote against their own best interests. Basically, stupid people voting for stupid people who put them in stupid situations. Good thing the Government bailed them out again. Or the subway system would be a military zone that a majority of New York citizens literally voted for. Without the Federal Government bailing them out they would never survive. Stupidity is the antithesis self preservation.
 
So now you are using the National Guard for police duties. I guess that goes with all the other lies you keep spewing.

The massive amount of Biden/Harris' Illegal immigration is no longer a simple crime.

It's an invasion, so don't be surprised if the military is used to help expel the invaders.
 
Time to polish up the muskets and saddle up the horses, boys, Civil War is coming again. Except this time the secessionists could be four Yankee states who want to be a part of Canada.

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province​


According to Krueger, New York's values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than Trump's



"As tensions rise over President-elect Donald Trump's impending second term, a Democratic state senator from New York has suggested a drastic solution: secession. Liz Krueger, chair of the New York State Senate Finance Committee, has proposed that New York leave the United States and join Canada, arguing that Trump's policies threaten the state's progressive values and federal funding, according to Washington Examiner.

Radical Proposals to Counter Trump​

Krueger, a prominent Democrat from Manhattan, has gained attention for her unconventional proposals to counter Trump's administration. Among these are withholding federal taxes and a call for New York, along with other liberal states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, to secede and become a province of Canada, per reports from Politico.

"It's not unreasonable to think outside of the box," Krueger stated during an interview with Politico. She cited Trump's planned mass deportations and his threats to withhold federal funding from sanctuary states as reasons for her proposals.

Krueger highlighted the financial stakes involved. New York contributes approximately $362 billion annually in tax revenue to the federal government but relies on $85 billion in federal aid, much of it earmarked for Medicaid. She argued that withholding tax payments could serve as leverage if Trump follows through on his threats to cut funding.

"We're talking a lot of money," Krueger said. "Money we couldn't possibly replace unless we started sending the feds a lot less money."

A Vision of Secession​

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful. She first proposed the idea in September, before Trump's election victory.

"Why do I have to leave this country? I love this country," she said. "But if Trump wins a second term, it's not actually my fault or the fault of people in New York. I thought I'd suggest to Canada that, instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night, they let us become a new southeast province."

According to Krueger, New York's progressive values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than with Trump's America. She believes this alignment makes her proposal "probably sellable" in Ottawa, Canada's capital.

While Krueger's proposals have stirred debate, they have also drawn criticism and scepticism. Long Island Assemblymember Chuck Lavine cautioned against escalating tensions.

"It's not our job to pick up the pitchforks that have been dropped by his many followers," Lavine stated, referencing Trump's supporters.

Even some Democrats have expressed concerns about the feasibility of withholding federal taxes or secession. Trump himself, who received 43% of New York's vote in 2024, has pledged to support key infrastructure projects in the state, including the Gateway Tunnel and Penn Station renovations, per Washington Examiner.

"I'll believe it when I see it," said Manhattan state Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, reflecting the scepticism among left-leaning lawmakers about Trump's promises to aid New York.

Broader Implications​

Trump's administration is expected to wield significant power, with a Republican majority in Congress and a conservative-leaning judiciary. This dominance has left New York Democrats searching for ways to protect vulnerable communities and uphold progressive policies.

During Trump's first term, New York's Democratic majority passed legislation expanding voting rights, bolstering abortion access, and forcing the release of Trump's state tax returns. However, the current political climate poses new challenges.

"With the courts aligned largely against New York at the federal level and the other two branches of government under Republican control, it's going to be tough sledding," Hoylman-Sigal said, according to Washington Examiner.

A Bold Statement or a Real Plan?​

Krueger's proposal to join Canada has sparked conversations about the limits of state resistance to federal power. While the idea may seem far-fetched, it reflects the depth of discontent among progressive lawmakers who feel their values are increasingly at odds with those of the federal government."

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province
I don’t wanna join Canada!!!!!!
 
I don’t wanna join Canada!!!!!!

Nobody really wants to. If they think taxes are high here, wait until they have to pay Canadian taxes.
 
Time to polish up the muskets and saddle up the horses, boys, Civil War is coming again. Except this time the secessionists could be four Yankee states who want to be a part of Canada.

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province​


According to Krueger, New York's values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than Trump's



"As tensions rise over President-elect Donald Trump's impending second term, a Democratic state senator from New York has suggested a drastic solution: secession. Liz Krueger, chair of the New York State Senate Finance Committee, has proposed that New York leave the United States and join Canada, arguing that Trump's policies threaten the state's progressive values and federal funding, according to Washington Examiner.

Radical Proposals to Counter Trump​

Krueger, a prominent Democrat from Manhattan, has gained attention for her unconventional proposals to counter Trump's administration. Among these are withholding federal taxes and a call for New York, along with other liberal states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont, to secede and become a province of Canada, per reports from Politico.

"It's not unreasonable to think outside of the box," Krueger stated during an interview with Politico. She cited Trump's planned mass deportations and his threats to withhold federal funding from sanctuary states as reasons for her proposals.

Krueger highlighted the financial stakes involved. New York contributes approximately $362 billion annually in tax revenue to the federal government but relies on $85 billion in federal aid, much of it earmarked for Medicaid. She argued that withholding tax payments could serve as leverage if Trump follows through on his threats to cut funding.

"We're talking a lot of money," Krueger said. "Money we couldn't possibly replace unless we started sending the feds a lot less money."

A Vision of Secession​

Krueger's vision of New York joining Canada stems from her frustration with federal policies she perceives as harmful. She first proposed the idea in September, before Trump's election victory.

"Why do I have to leave this country? I love this country," she said. "But if Trump wins a second term, it's not actually my fault or the fault of people in New York. I thought I'd suggest to Canada that, instead of us all trying to illegally cross the border at night, they let us become a new southeast province."

According to Krueger, New York's progressive values align more closely with Canada's political philosophy than with Trump's America. She believes this alignment makes her proposal "probably sellable" in Ottawa, Canada's capital.

While Krueger's proposals have stirred debate, they have also drawn criticism and scepticism. Long Island Assemblymember Chuck Lavine cautioned against escalating tensions.

"It's not our job to pick up the pitchforks that have been dropped by his many followers," Lavine stated, referencing Trump's supporters.

Even some Democrats have expressed concerns about the feasibility of withholding federal taxes or secession. Trump himself, who received 43% of New York's vote in 2024, has pledged to support key infrastructure projects in the state, including the Gateway Tunnel and Penn Station renovations, per Washington Examiner.

"I'll believe it when I see it," said Manhattan state Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, reflecting the scepticism among left-leaning lawmakers about Trump's promises to aid New York.

Broader Implications​

Trump's administration is expected to wield significant power, with a Republican majority in Congress and a conservative-leaning judiciary. This dominance has left New York Democrats searching for ways to protect vulnerable communities and uphold progressive policies.

During Trump's first term, New York's Democratic majority passed legislation expanding voting rights, bolstering abortion access, and forcing the release of Trump's state tax returns. However, the current political climate poses new challenges.

"With the courts aligned largely against New York at the federal level and the other two branches of government under Republican control, it's going to be tough sledding," Hoylman-Sigal said, according to Washington Examiner.

A Bold Statement or a Real Plan?​

Krueger's proposal to join Canada has sparked conversations about the limits of state resistance to federal power. While the idea may seem far-fetched, it reflects the depth of discontent among progressive lawmakers who feel their values are increasingly at odds with those of the federal government."

NY Official Proposes New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, And Vermont Join Canada As New Province
We need to bring in the military to get these Confederate states under control.
 
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