Zone1 For those who've ever wondered if they can or will be saved....

[Meriweather]

These concepts were created to force obedience with the threat of suffering in Hell.

Wrong. What we have here is a case for what is called Original Sin and a case for no Original Sin. Both cases have been presented in this forum and therefore you cannot claim there is no case for what has been termed Original Sin.

 

[ding]

THen you admit no one needs to believe in Jesus its about damn time

If you have a relationship with God then you have a relationship with Jesus and the Holy Spirit as well. Notional beliefs won't move the needle. Communion with God will.

 

[GLASNOST]

Catholic teaching presents salvation as an ongoing process .

That's true. A lot has been done on the study of clerical CSA in the Catholic Church and I believe they've had quite some success.

 

[ding]

Christianity is based on a distortion of Genesis a Jewish work I do understand.

Jesus is Jewish.

There is no original sin fall of man hell or devil.

In Judaism original sin is equivalent to man's inherent evil nature. Same difference.

These concepts were created to force obedience with the threat of suffering in Hell.

Incorrect. You have free will. Nothing has changed. Separation from God is possible. According to your beliefs God is actively trying to tempt man which is a ridiculous belief. God does not want us to fail. God wants us to succed.

This is all in absolute contradiction to the meaning of Genesis.

You don't understand Genesis. You believe the serpent was working for God.

 

[ding]

What is it about my encouragement that you dislike?

Maybe because it contradicts your attacks upon Christianity. Pick a lane.

 

[ding]

I made a simple point everyone goes into the after life.

If that is the case then what is the purpose of God tempting us?

 

[GLASNOST]

These concepts were created to force obedience with the threat of suffering in Hell.

Yes, that's right.

 

[ding]

The Catholic Church protected child abusing pedophile priests, created the Inquisition, fought adoptees ability to know their birth families to protect nuns who were made pregnant by priests and forced to have their children adopted. I dont think they know the word of God

Jews committed genocides in the name of God.

I hope everyone is judged by their worst moments or no one is judged by their worst moments.

 

[ding]

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Then you should know better about behaving poorly to others.

 

[ding]

There is no original sin or fall of man in Genesis.

Again... In Judaism original sin is equivalent to man's inherent evil nature. Same difference.

 

[ding]

Catholicism puts people in a constant state of sin in need of confession on reguar basis.

No, that would be man himself. Confessing one's mistakes outloud to another person has practical benefits. If you worked in the mental health field as you claimed, you would know that.

Thoughts can be sins thats how manipulative this religion is

The only manipulation I see right now is by you as you attempt to criticize a religion not your own. What is your goal here exactly? Is it to be a bigger piece of shit than you already are?

 

[ding]

I post what I think you post what you think I couldnt care less if you agree or not

The only thing you are proving is that ignorance is insolent.

 

[ding]

Look in the mirror before you accuse others

Maybe you should take your own advice.

 

[ding]

Yes, that's right.

Or separation from God is a logical conclusion for those whose "hearts" have been hardened to God.

It won't be because of God.

 

[Hafar1014]

No, that would be man himself. Confessing one's mistakes outloud to another person has practical benefits. If you worked in the mental health field as you claimed, you would know that.

The only manipulation I see right now is by you as you attempt to criticize a religion not your own. What is your goal here exactly? Is it to be a bigger piece of shit than you already are?

So you think a thought can be sin.

 

[Hafar1014]

Jews committed genocides in the name of God.

I hope everyone is judged by their worst moments or no one is judged by their worst moments.

Jews have never caused a genocide. Who when where

 

[ding]

So you think a thought can be sin.

I think thoughts lead to actions. You think Christians are pieces of shit so you write things that show you believe Christians are pieces of shit. Hitler thought Jews were inferior so he did things to show he believed Jews were inferior.

 

[ding]

Jews have never caused a genocide. Who when where

Read the Torah, dummy.

 

[Hafar1014]

Read the Torah, dummy.

I think thoughts lead to actions. You think Christians are pieces of shit so you write things that show you believe Christians are pieces of shit. Hitler thought Jews were inferior so he did things to show he believed Jews were inferior.

I never said that. All I have done is ask you to explain how you stole Jewish writings changed them and created a religion based on lies that worships an idol. I dont think Christians are inferior. You yes

 

[Hafar1014]

Read the Torah, dummy.

• Historical Analysis: Scholars at institutions like Cambridge University argue that while these narratives reflect a "genocidal impulse" in early literature, it is difficult to determine through archaeology whether these events occurred exactly as described or if the violence met modern definitions of genocide.
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But we do know as fact that the Catholic Church protected gay priests who sexually abused boys for decades and that protection came from the Vatican.