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1.The bottom line is Democrats lie about everything.
Eric Holder famously claimed he was Barack Obama’s ‘wingman.’
Dictionary.com: “a man who helps, protects, or guides a friend or associate”

CNN: “Holder: U.S. a 'nation of cowards' on race discussions

"We have to have the guts to be honest with each other,"
Holder says Eric Holder is the nation's first black attorney general
Holder urged Americans to use Black History Month to have national conversation
Holder: U.S. a 'nation of cowards' on race discussions”

Nothing could provide greater proof that Democrats lie about everything. Any honest discussion on race is the furthest thing from Democrat desire.



2. A national discussion about race is the furthest thing from the wishes of Democrats, who do everything possible to hide the reality and advance lies about race such as ‘systemic racism,’ and ‘white privilege,’ and ‘white supremacy,’ none of which exist.
Try to discuss the facts, and you will be attacked as a ‘racist,’ and be ‘cancelled’ or silenced.
And that brings me to a truly brave individual, Charles Murray, and his newest book, “Facing Reality.”




3. “I DECIDED TO WRITE this book in the summer of 2020 because of my dismay at the disconnect between the rhetoric about “systemic racism” and the facts. By facts, I mean what Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan meant: “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to his own facts.”

What follows is a data-driven discussion of realities that make America a more complicated and much less racist nation than its radical critics describe. Of the many facts about race that are ignored, two above all, long since documented beyond reasonable doubt, must be brought into the open and incorporated into the way we think about why American society is the way it is and what can be done through public policy to improve it.



4.The first is that American Whites, Blacks, Latinos, and Asians, as groups, have different means and distributions of cognitive ability.

The second is that American Whites, Blacks, Latinos, and Asians, as groups, have different rates of violent crime.




Allegations of systemic racism in policing, education, and the workplace cannot be assessed without dealing with the reality of group differences. There is a reason that reality is ignored. The two facts make people excruciatingly uncomfortable. To raise them is to be considered a racist and hateful person.”
Charles Murray, “Facing Reality.”



5. The responses to this thread will place one either in the category of brave, willing to consider the facts, and either state why they are evident, or to refute them in an intelligent and/or scholarly way.



Of course the usual vituperation is to be expected from those who have been trained never to question what their party authorizes.

They are not the brave.
 

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1. The US either needs to add a "mixed" race to the census, or eliminate race entirely. We are all Americans. We don't need "protected classes" anymore.
2. We need to eliminate CRT and the 1619 Project from further discussion. They are simply a Marxist ploy.
3. We also need to eliminate the "one drop rule" which has to be outdated in 2021. Why is it still being used?????
 
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As always, your cut and paste skills are awesome.


It upsets you that I can prove, document, provide quotes that prove everything I post?


Your lesson:



1. Citing an authority with an established reputation is better, of course, than citing someone whose credentials are not so lofty. (http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/mla/practical_guide.shtml)


2. What has been pejoratively referred to as ‘simply cut and paste,’ is, in fact, carefully chosen to substantiate a point. Is the information covered fact, opinion, or propaganda? Facts can usually be verified; opinions, though they may be based on factual information, evolve from the interpretation of facts.(http://www.library.cornell.edu/olinuris/ref/research/skill26.htm#LinkReason)

3. A valid objection to this selection of sources may be the type of audience being addressed. Is the ‘pasted selection’ aimed at a specialized or a general audience? Do you find the level ‘over your head’ or is this source too elementary? Ibid.

4. Are you objecting to the author's credentials--institutional affiliation (where he or she works), educational background, past writings, or experience? Or simply looking for a weapon to attack the post? This, of course, would be puerile.

5. Providing summaries or outlines of a source is valid as long as a link to the original is provided, and the author’s meaning is conveyed.

6. Nor is it necessary to insert one’s own language if the original article is simply abbreviated, with link provided.

7. What has been called ‘cut and paste’ is frequently the message board version of footnotes and endnotes of an academic essay. “…footnotes were declared outmoded just before the era of the word-processors which make using footnotes so much easier. Still, because of its relative ease in both writing and reading, parenthetical documentation is greatly preferred by most instructors.” http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/mla/practical_guide.shtml

websites.wnc.edu/~kille/Fred/researchpaper.rtf



While a public message board is the exact venue for giving opinions no matter their provenance, their attachment to reality, or even whether they are on a cognitive wavelength of any human on the planet, one should invest more credence to those that are able to show relevance, documentation and/or links.
 

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1.The bottom line is Democrats lie about everything.
Eric Holder famously claimed he was Barack Obama’s ‘wingman.’
Dictionary.com: “a man who helps, protects, or guides a friend or associate”

CNN: “Holder: U.S. a 'nation of cowards' on race discussions

"We have to have the guts to be honest with each other,"
Holder says Eric Holder is the nation's first black attorney general
Holder urged Americans to use Black History Month to have national conversation
Holder: U.S. a 'nation of cowards' on race discussions”

Nothing could provide greater proof that Democrats lie about everything. Any honest discussion on race is the furthest thing from Democrat desire.



2. A national discussion about race is the furthest thing from the wishes of Democrats, who do everything possible to hide the reality and advance lies about race such as ‘systemic racism,’ and ‘white privilege,’ and ‘white supremacy,’ none of which exist.
Try to discuss the facts, and you will be attacked as a ‘racist,’ and be ‘cancelled’ or silenced.
And that brings me to a truly brave individual, Charles Murray, and his newest book, “Facing Reality.”




3. “I DECIDED TO WRITE this book in the summer of 2020 because of my dismay at the disconnect between the rhetoric about “systemic racism” and the facts. By facts, I mean what Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan meant: “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to his own facts.”

What follows is a data-driven discussion of realities that make America a more complicated and much less racist nation than its radical critics describe. Of the many facts about race that are ignored, two above all, long since documented beyond reasonable doubt, must be brought into the open and incorporated into the way we think about why American society is the way it is and what can be done through public policy to improve it.



4.The first is that American Whites, Blacks, Latinos, and Asians, as groups, have different means and distributions of cognitive ability.

The second is that American Whites, Blacks, Latinos, and Asians, as groups, have different rates of violent crime.




Allegations of systemic racism in policing, education, and the workplace cannot be assessed without dealing with the reality of group differences. There is a reason that reality is ignored. The two facts make people excruciatingly uncomfortable. To raise them is to be considered a racist and hateful person.”
Charles Murray, “Facing Reality.”



5. The responses to this thread will place one either in the category of brave, willing to consider the facts, and either state why they are evident, or to refute them in an intelligent and/or scholarly way.



Of course the usual vituperation is to be expected from those who have been trained never to question what their party authorizes.

They are not the brave.
I think it took some bravery for democrats to vote for Obamacare, knowing it would ultimately cause them all to lose their jobs, which they did in the 2010 election. All Obama kept saying was that they needed to be brave and vote for his lunacy any way. So they all dutifully fell on their swords and obeyed.


But at the same time, the threats from the Left for not drinking the cool aid and doing as they were told were probably far worse then merely losing an election, if so, then that would not have made them all the brave I reckon.
 
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1. The US either needs to add a "mixed" race to the census, or eliminate race entirely. We are all Americans. We don't need "protected classes" anymore.
2. We need to eliminate CRT and the 1619 Project from further discussion. They are simply a Marxist ploy.


Critical Race Theory, and anything that deals with race no matter how peripherally, is given unprecedented platform.

Today, most people have heard of CRT, and all of the associated lies, ‘white privilege,’ ‘white supremacy,’ ‘systemic racism,’ all bogus, due to the state media.



The constant lies will be repeated until the Democrats no longer need them.
 
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One can count on the party of death, the Democrats, to be opposed to everything in America's heritage.....the very creed that made America the shining city on the hill.


6. “AMERICA’S FOUNDING IDEALS – America’s soul – used to be called the American creed. The creed’s origin is the first sentence of the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights….”



…the creed embodies “the political principles of liberty, equality, democracy, individualism, human rights, the rule of law, and private property.” Samuel P. Huntington’s Who Are We? The Challenges to America’s National Identity, p.46





“Europeans who looked with hope to America in the nineteenth century grasped a simpler meaning: In America, they would be the equals of anyone else – equal before the law and possessing the same inherent human dignity as anyone else. In America, they would be judged on who they were as individuals, not by what social class they came from or how they worshipped God. That promise drew immigrants by the millions who believed that in America you could go as far as your own hard work and talent would take you.” Murray, Op.Cit



But if, under Democrat governance, we are to be judged as groups, as races, rather than the American ideal, as individuals, then the truth about certain statistical aspects of each group must be part of the ‘conversation.
 

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So to summarize. We are not a nation of racists who have problems regarding race. And even if we were we have good reason because the other races are bad.
 
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So to summarize. We are not a nation of racists who have problems regarding race. And even if we were we have good reason because the other races are bad.


Summarize???

You mean 'dodge.'

What are you so afraid of?

If you ever get around to reading.....

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So to summarize. We are not a nation of racists who have problems regarding race. And even if we were we have good reason because the other races are bad.
Euro race is blamed for everything. However it was in the forefront of more liberty for people compared to other races. Humanity has a history of blood on its hands. There are not exceptions as per race.
 

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So to summarize. We are not a nation of racists who have problems regarding race. And even if we were we have good reason because the other races are bad.

Summarize???

You mean 'dodge.'

What are you so afraid of?

If you ever get around to reading.....

View attachment 504289


No. I haven’t read it. But here are some conclusions from some who have.

No. I haven’t read it. But here is some words from some who have.


He ignores data. He cherry picks his data to fit his conclusion.

Every one of his books has been soundly discredited. Well. By everyone except Whites desperate to find some shred of proof of their superiority. This is of course to justify their fear and hatred driven racism.

What is hilarious to me is how on one hand the idiots rush about talking about how much more intelligent whites are and how much more civilized they are. Then they shove some Black Conservative out there and scream they get it. Democrats are awful. Well if the Black is so much less intelligent than you Whites, why bother quoting one? Odd how so few get elected as Republicans. As one example. How is Congresswoman Mia Love doing? Oh wait. She never got past the primary.

You are free to believe whatever nonsense you want to. That is your right. You can even scream it is science. It isn’t. But continue. And the more you shout it the less support you get. Party affiliation continues to drop for Republicans. Public support continues to drop. And the inevitable totalitarian future gets a little closer.
 

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So to summarize. We are not a nation of racists who have problems regarding race. And even if we were we have good reason because the other races are bad.
Euro race is blamed for everything. However it was in the forefront of more liberty for people compared to other races. Humanity has a history of blood on its hands. There are not exceptions as per race.

Oh. So Europeans were not spreading around the globe with the message. “We own you.” My bad.

I’ll be sure to notify the Carib Indians of that.
 

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As always, your cut and paste skills are awesome.


It upsets you that I can prove, document, provide quotes that prove everything I post?


Your lesson:



1. Citing an authority with an established reputation is better, of course, than citing someone whose credentials are not so lofty. (http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/mla/practical_guide.shtml)


2. What has been pejoratively referred to as ‘simply cut and paste,’ is, in fact, carefully chosen to substantiate a point. Is the information covered fact, opinion, or propaganda? Facts can usually be verified; opinions, though they may be based on factual information, evolve from the interpretation of facts.(http://www.library.cornell.edu/olinuris/ref/research/skill26.htm#LinkReason)

3. A valid objection to this selection of sources may be the type of audience being addressed. Is the ‘pasted selection’ aimed at a specialized or a general audience? Do you find the level ‘over your head’ or is this source too elementary? Ibid.

4. Are you objecting to the author's credentials--institutional affiliation (where he or she works), educational background, past writings, or experience? Or simply looking for a weapon to attack the post? This, of course, would be puerile.

5. Providing summaries or outlines of a source is valid as long as a link to the original is provided, and the author’s meaning is conveyed.

6. Nor is it necessary to insert one’s own language if the original article is simply abbreviated, with link provided.

7. What has been called ‘cut and paste’ is frequently the message board version of footnotes and endnotes of an academic essay. “…footnotes were declared outmoded just before the era of the word-processors which make using footnotes so much easier. Still, because of its relative ease in both writing and reading, parenthetical documentation is greatly preferred by most instructors.” http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/mla/practical_guide.shtml

websites.wnc.edu/~kille/Fred/researchpaper.rtf



While a public message board is the exact venue for giving opinions no matter their provenance, their attachment to reality, or even whether they are on a cognitive wavelength of any human on the planet, one should invest more credence to those that are able to show relevance, documentation and/or links.
Yep....they do it every time...you compose a post and they scream LINK LINK LINK! You post a link and they scream PASTE PASTE PASTE!
 

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1.The bottom line is Democrats lie about everything.
Eric Holder famously claimed he was Barack Obama’s ‘wingman.’
Dictionary.com: “a man who helps, protects, or guides a friend or associate”

CNN: “Holder: U.S. a 'nation of cowards' on race discussions

"We have to have the guts to be honest with each other,"
Holder says Eric Holder is the nation's first black attorney general
Holder urged Americans to use Black History Month to have national conversation
Holder: U.S. a 'nation of cowards' on race discussions”

Nothing could provide greater proof that Democrats lie about everything. Any honest discussion on race is the furthest thing from Democrat desire.



2. A national discussion about race is the furthest thing from the wishes of Democrats, who do everything possible to hide the reality and advance lies about race such as ‘systemic racism,’ and ‘white privilege,’ and ‘white supremacy,’ none of which exist.
Try to discuss the facts, and you will be attacked as a ‘racist,’ and be ‘cancelled’ or silenced.
And that brings me to a truly brave individual, Charles Murray, and his newest book, “Facing Reality.”




3. “I DECIDED TO WRITE this book in the summer of 2020 because of my dismay at the disconnect between the rhetoric about “systemic racism” and the facts. By facts, I mean what Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan meant: “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to his own facts.”

What follows is a data-driven discussion of realities that make America a more complicated and much less racist nation than its radical critics describe. Of the many facts about race that are ignored, two above all, long since documented beyond reasonable doubt, must be brought into the open and incorporated into the way we think about why American society is the way it is and what can be done through public policy to improve it.



4.The first is that American Whites, Blacks, Latinos, and Asians, as groups, have different means and distributions of cognitive ability.

The second is that American Whites, Blacks, Latinos, and Asians, as groups, have different rates of violent crime.




Allegations of systemic racism in policing, education, and the workplace cannot be assessed without dealing with the reality of group differences. There is a reason that reality is ignored. The two facts make people excruciatingly uncomfortable. To raise them is to be considered a racist and hateful person.”
Charles Murray, “Facing Reality.”



5. The responses to this thread will place one either in the category of brave, willing to consider the facts, and either state why they are evident, or to refute them in an intelligent and/or scholarly way.



Of course the usual vituperation is to be expected from those who have been trained never to question what their party authorizes.

They are not the brave.
Says the race baiting Asian who hates humans just because of their party affiliation and hated the idea of Juneteenth. Ha, you are a joke, a bad one but a joke. Once all humans stop committing crimes and violence we can talk, until then we have an Asian power that seeks to enslave those that they desire to be under their yoke, but let us go after them dangerous black folks...
 

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So to summarize. We are not a nation of racists who have problems regarding race. And even if we were we have good reason because the other races are bad.
Euro race is blamed for everything. However it was in the forefront of more liberty for people compared to other races. Humanity has a history of blood on its hands. There are not exceptions as per race.
Not according to the OP who finds Asians are angels.
 

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1. The US either needs to add a "mixed" race to the census, or eliminate race entirely. We are all Americans. We don't need "protected classes" anymore.
2. We need to eliminate CRT and the 1619 Project from further discussion. They are simply a Marxist ploy.


Critical Race Theory, and anything that deals with race no matter how peripherally, is given unprecedented platform.

Today, most people have heard of CRT, and all of the associated lies, ‘white privilege,’ ‘white supremacy,’ ‘systemic racism,’ all bogus, due to the state media.



The constant lies will be repeated until the Democrats no longer need them.
Papa Alinsky wouldn't have it any other way.

JO
 

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But if, under Democrat governance, we are to be judged as groups, as races, rather than the American ideal, as individuals, then the truth about certain statistical aspects of each group must be part of the ‘conversation.

It is done under Republican governance also, did you notice the race riots during Trump, yeah, those little things that tell you the Repubs are ignoring the situation.
 

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But if, under Democrat governance, we are to be judged as groups, as races, rather than the American ideal, as individuals, then the truth about certain statistical aspects of each group must be part of the ‘conversation.

It is done under Republican governance also, did you notice the race riots during Trump, yeah, those little things that tell you the Repubs are ignoring the situation.
Well they are doing a lousy job of compiling the data in any case.....there is always data and there is always an interpretation for it...ignore it and suffer.

JO
 
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So to summarize. We are not a nation of racists who have problems regarding race. And even if we were we have good reason because the other races are bad.

Summarize???

You mean 'dodge.'

What are you so afraid of?

If you ever get around to reading.....

View attachment 504289


No. I haven’t read it. But here are some conclusions from some who have.

No. I haven’t read it. But here is some words from some who have.


He ignores data. He cherry picks his data to fit his conclusion.

Every one of his books has been soundly discredited. Well. By everyone except Whites desperate to find some shred of proof of their superiority. This is of course to justify their fear and hatred driven racism.

What is hilarious to me is how on one hand the idiots rush about talking about how much more intelligent whites are and how much more civilized they are. Then they shove some Black Conservative out there and scream they get it. Democrats are awful. Well if the Black is so much less intelligent than you Whites, why bother quoting one? Odd how so few get elected as Republicans. As one example. How is Congresswoman Mia Love doing? Oh wait. She never got past the primary.

You are free to believe whatever nonsense you want to. That is your right. You can even scream it is science. It isn’t. But continue. And the more you shout it the less support you get. Party affiliation continues to drop for Republicans. Public support continues to drop. And the inevitable totalitarian future gets a little closer.



None of his books or conclusions have been debunked.




Here is the level of your indoctrination coming through.



"324,000 U.S. Blacks Killed by Blacks In Only 35 Years

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Over the past 35 years in America, an estimated 324,000 blacks have been killed at the hands of fellow blacks, proving “racist” white cops are the least of their worries.
Yet most of the media, blinded black leaders and liberals still try to make the case that the biggest problem today in America is white cops killing innocent black males. This myth has been repeated over and over again, but, according to statistics compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks have more to fear from fellow blacks than they do from police officers across the country.

Former New York City Mayor Rudolph William Louis “Rudy” Giuliani was excoriated by the mainstream media for citing statistics that prove white cops killing black males is minor compared to the thousands who are killed every year by other blacks.

Georgetown University Professor Michael Eric Dyson, questioned that statistic, Giuliani responded by citing another figure from a 2010 Bureau of Justice Statistics report that did, indeed, conclude that 93% of black homicide victims from 1980 through 2008 were killed by black offenders.

This reporter took a look at the 2007 U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics report. In that study, the agency reported that blacks were victims of 7,999 homicides in 2005. It corroborated Giuliani’s claim that 93% of blacks were killed by other blacks, or about 7,440 murders in that year alone.

Promoted bogus anti-police hatred, while ignoring some 350,000 blacks killed by lawless blacks.
324,000 U.S. Blacks Killed by Blacks In Only 35 Years – American Free Press




"White supremacy 'most lethal' threat to America, Biden say

Crypto bull Barry Silbert said he bet on a leveraged stock-market volatility fund earlier, to some derision…now it’s up about 20% on the week
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White supremacist terrorism is the deadliest threat to the United States, President Joe Biden told lawmakers Wednesday night as he aimed to pivot from the country's post-9/11 foreign fights to one at home.
The president then urged Congress to pass police reform legislation just days after a jury convicted Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin of murder in the death of George Floyd. Chauvin is a former white police officer. Floyd was a black man.

"My fellow Americans, look, we have to come together to heal the soul of this nation," he added, telling lawmakers that nearly one year has passed since he spoke with Floyd’s young daughter, Gianna.

"She said to me, 'Daddy changed the world,'" Biden continued. "After the conviction of George Floyd’s murderer, we can see how right she was — if we have the courage to act. We have all seen the knee of injustice on the neck of black America. Now is our opportunity to make real progress. "

The Biden administration has called on Congress to pass the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, but Democrats appear unwilling to compromise on issues of qualified immunity for law enforcement officers, a must-have for many GOP members."
White supremacy 'most lethal' threat to America, Biden says



Wait.......what??????????

As Charles Murray writes.....time for "Facing Reality"
 

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