For Republicans, greed is good

[bripat9643]

While you can no more legislate greed out of existence than you can murder, you can certainly make it punishable with company or personal wealth killing fines or long stretches in high security federal prisons. Stealing a million dollars should have a sentence at least equal to possessing a gram of cocaine. And they are probably good for both charges.

Stealing a million dollars is already against the law, dingbat.

Haven't seen any perp walks in the US yet. Gotta acknowledge the UK's response but the sterling short woke them up a bit.

Who are you accusing of stealing a million dollars?

 

[westwall]

For Republicans America is a platform for individual fulfillment. Here is the catch: the Individual is defined in the narrowest possible terms. Any notion of the "The Public Good" is seen as "Socialism" (socialism being anything the government does for the non-wealthy). The Free Market will fix New Orleans levees. The Free Market will effectively control the amount of derivative based risk Wall Street will take. The Free Market will get us off imported oil(rather than spending decades making terrorists stronger). The Free Market will keep our rivers clean. The Free Market will make healthcare more efficient. The Free Market won't bribe Washington in order to increase it's profit margin. We don't need to worry about "The Public Good", individual selfishness driven by short term profit is a utopian reflex.

But the world doesn't work that way. Selfishness harms society....tears it apart....destroys the world economy....spills millions of barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.....tears a hole in the ozone...creates a garbage patch in the Pacific Ocean twice the size of Texas...melts the North Polar ice cap.....creates massive deficits by giving huge tax breaks for the wealthy....

But the Republicans celebrate this selfishness. It is their core value. For them greed is good.

Yep them Democrats don't do this sort of thing at all.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJtXhl5nPDo&feature=related]'60 Minutes' Asks Nancy Pelosi About Her Involving With Credit Card Companies - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Chris]

Modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfishness.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For Republicans America is a platform for individual fulfillment. Here is the catch: the Individual is defined in the narrowest possible terms. Any notion of the "The Public Good" is seen as "Socialism" (socialism being anything the government does for the non-wealthy). The Free Market will fix New Orleans levees. The Free Market will effectively control the amount of derivative based risk Wall Street will take. The Free Market will get us off imported oil(rather than spending decades making terrorists stronger). The Free Market will keep our rivers clean. The Free Market will make healthcare more efficient. The Free Market won't bribe Washington in order to increase it's profit margin. We don't need to worry about "The Public Good", individual selfishness driven by short term profit is a utopian reflex.

But the world doesn't work that way. Selfishness harms society....tears it apart....destroys the world economy....spills millions of barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.....tears a hole in the ozone...creates a garbage patch in the Pacific Ocean twice the size of Texas...melts the North Polar ice cap.....creates massive deficits by giving huge tax breaks for the wealthy....

But the Republicans celebrate this selfishness. It is their core value. For them greed is good.

You just don't know very many republicans do you?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....you mean alllllllllllllllllllll those Republicans NO ONE heard COMPLAINING about Lil' Dumbya's $PENDING????????

You're bogus.​

George Bush spent WAYYYYYY TOO MUCH. I'll never vote for him again.

Of course Obama makes Bush look like a piker, when it comes to spending.

After all of Obama's spending, where are the JOBS?

 

[Steelplate]

What you mistake for selfishness is simply self reliance, Chris...something this country used to be known for. Your "utopia" is OWS protesters demanding free schooling, the abolition of debt and a guaranteed living wage whether one works or not. Your "utopia" is a steadily growing underclass, that contributes little to society... that pay little in taxes yet have the power to impose higher taxes on those that have become successful. Your "utopia" is modeled on Europe...a region now coming to us for bailouts to keep themselves afloat. So answer me this, Chris...who will "we" be going to for a bailout when your progressive "utopia" has bankrupted the US?

Could I see unbiased links to these claims? I have heard a few talk about their student loans being abolished... but nothing about what you are claiming... methinks your full of shit.

That steadily growing underclass??? Reaganomics.

 

[Steelplate]

Progressives really need to a one way ticket out of the country

Yeah... because anyone who doesn't agree with your politics should be deported... or perhaps shot... Nazi prick.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For Republicans America is a platform for individual fulfillment. Here is the catch: the Individual is defined in the narrowest possible terms. Any notion of the "The Public Good" is seen as "Socialism" (socialism being anything the government does for the non-wealthy). The Free Market will fix New Orleans levees. The Free Market will effectively control the amount of derivative based risk Wall Street will take. The Free Market will get us off imported oil(rather than spending decades making terrorists stronger). The Free Market will keep our rivers clean. The Free Market will make healthcare more efficient. The Free Market won't bribe Washington in order to increase it's profit margin. We don't need to worry about "The Public Good", individual selfishness driven by short term profit is a utopian reflex.

But the world doesn't work that way. Selfishness harms society....tears it apart....destroys the world economy....spills millions of barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.....tears a hole in the ozone...creates a garbage patch in the Pacific Ocean twice the size of Texas...melts the North Polar ice cap.....creates massive deficits by giving huge tax breaks for the wealthy....

But the Republicans celebrate this selfishness. It is their core value. For them greed is good.

For Republicans, greed is good

For progressives, the definition of greed is turning over less than 100% of your income and net worth to the nearest government bureaucracy.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But the world doesn't work that way. Selfishness harms society....tears it apart....destroys the world economy....spills millions of barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.....tears a hole in the ozone...creates a garbage patch in the Pacific Ocean twice the size of Texas...melts the North Polar ice cap.....creates massive deficits by giving huge tax breaks for the wealthy....

But the Republicans celebrate this selfishness. It is their core value. For them greed is good.

I'll bet the silly liberal $10,000 that he has no evidence whatsoever that Republicans celebrate "this".


You are a simple bigot who believes you are morally superior based on no evidence whatsoever. Do you feel superior to blacks or Chinese too?

 

[bripat9643]

Modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfishness.

Even if that were true, what's wrong with self-interest?

 

[bripat9643]

Progressives really need to a one way ticket out of the country

Yeah... because anyone who doesn't agree with your politics should be deported... or perhaps shot... Nazi prick.

That's what Lincoln believed.

 

[AVG-JOE]

While you can no more legislate greed out of existence than you can murder, you can certainly make it punishable with company or personal wealth killing fines or long stretches in high security federal prisons. Stealing a million dollars should have a sentence at least equal to possessing a gram of cocaine. And they are probably good for both charges.

While it may be impossible to legislate greed out of existence, it is very possible to legislate a fair and simple tax code, a budget that is balanced by law and transparency in all political spending and advertising.

Ending corruption is more important and more practical than any naive attempt at ending greed.

Maybe that is what bothers those who believe in socialism. Joe. Ending corruption is not on one side. It's as much about socialism than not.

Yeah... I don't really DO generalizations and labels, so I'm pretty clueless as to what you're talking about.

If you mean that successful democrats who continue to creep around DC election after gerrymandered election are just as corrupt as their republican counterparts,

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[AVG-JOE]

For Republicans America is a platform for individual fulfillment. Here is the catch: the Individual is defined in the narrowest possible terms. Any notion of the "The Public Good" is seen as "Socialism" (socialism being anything the government does for the non-wealthy). The Free Market will fix New Orleans levees. The Free Market will effectively control the amount of derivative based risk Wall Street will take. The Free Market will get us off imported oil(rather than spending decades making terrorists stronger). The Free Market will keep our rivers clean. The Free Market will make healthcare more efficient. The Free Market won't bribe Washington in order to increase it's profit margin. We don't need to worry about "The Public Good", individual selfishness driven by short term profit is a utopian reflex.

But the world doesn't work that way. Selfishness harms society....tears it apart....destroys the world economy....spills millions of barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.....tears a hole in the ozone...creates a garbage patch in the Pacific Ocean twice the size of Texas...melts the North Polar ice cap.....creates massive deficits by giving huge tax breaks for the wealthy....

But the Republicans celebrate this selfishness. It is their core value. For them greed is good.

Yep them Democrats don't do this sort of thing at all.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJtXhl5nPDo&feature=related]'60 Minutes' Asks Nancy Pelosi About Her Involving With Credit Card Companies - YouTube[/ame]

Seems to this average Joe that the qualifying trait as to the corruptibility of a politician is simply the number and quality of elections financed to date.

 

[Steelplate]

Seems to this average Joe that the qualifying trait as to the corruptibility of a politician is simply the number and quality of elections financed to date.

Seems that way to a lot of us Joe. Get the money out of Politics so that our elected officials can do what we elected them to do... serve the PEOPLE, not the contributors.

 

[freedombecki]

For Republicans America is a platform for individual fulfillment. Here is the catch: the Individual is defined in the narrowest possible terms. Any notion of the "The Public Good" is seen as "Socialism" (socialism being anything the government does for the non-wealthy). The Free Market will fix New Orleans levees. The Free Market will effectively control the amount of derivative based risk Wall Street will take. The Free Market will get us off imported oil(rather than spending decades making terrorists stronger). The Free Market will keep our rivers clean. The Free Market will make healthcare more efficient. The Free Market won't bribe Washington in order to increase it's profit margin. We don't need to worry about "The Public Good", individual selfishness driven by short term profit is a utopian reflex.

But the world doesn't work that way. Selfishness harms society....tears it apart....destroys the world economy....spills millions of barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.....tears a hole in the ozone...creates a garbage patch in the Pacific Ocean twice the size of Texas...melts the North Polar ice cap.....creates massive deficits by giving huge tax breaks for the wealthy....

But the Republicans celebrate this selfishness. It is their core value. For them greed is good.

The Democrat Party's leader lockstepped with Greenpeace in destroying American jobs in the Gulf of Mexico. Here are their goals:

Globally Greenpeace is calling for:

* A ban on new offshore drilling and exploration for other high risk unconventional oil sources, including the arctic and Canadian tar sands;
* Phase out of remaining oil drilling;
* Government must require all oil companies to be fully insured for all liabilities;
* An end to fossil fuel subsidies and an increase in support for clean energy;
* Strong laws and policies that limit global warming pollution and stimulate a clean Energy [R]evolution. Greenpeace...demanding British company stop deepwater drilling in Arctic
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Greenpeace has the tendency to do criminal things, and in particular, British oil interests for the purpose of "banning, phasing out, ending fossil fuels, limiting 'global warming pollution' etc.

Yet, Greenpeace activists have no compunctions about breaking environmental laws themselves by failure to submit oil spill prevention documents for their boat while going after people engaged in the timber industry.

Are you one thousand percent certain Republicans had anything whatever to do with "spilling oil reserves" in the Gulf?

What I see is an opportunity for someone to do politics by attacking the Gulf of Mexico rig BP had drilled, cause pollution in an area it didn't care about, blame the British, ban the British, condemn the British, and then have President Barack Obama do the do. Did he miss any of the 5 demands of Greenpeace? No.

Does it smell like a Greenpeace hit to get rid of the lot? It has that odor to this watcher.

As a consequence, Barack Obama also shut down all the oil drilling jobs in the Gulf of Mexico, throwing 30,000 people out of good paying jobs; that caused a 250% hike in gas prices which threw an estimated 200,000 Americans out of jobs in the tourist industry, many of who are college students; this frightened people in business like no other president has in the history of the United States. We now have 10% of people out of work and another 11% hard-core unemployed (out of work for 6 months+.)

Who were you charging with selfishness? People who support businesses responsible for hiring millions of Americans with good-paying jobs?

You're doing a real piece of work here, Chris. But I'm not buying what you're selling.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfishness.

Except when it comes to taking responsibility for the mistakes of their money-maker.

If God had intended capitalists to be responsible for the mistakes of the companies they birth and exploit, 'corporate paper' would be no easier to hide behind than any other contract.

and God bless Dewie, Cheatum & Howe - Barristers Extraordinary​

 

[AVG-JOE]

Modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfishness.

Even if that were true, what's wrong with self-interest?

Imagine a neighbor who is interested in distilling commercial grade pesticides in his garage for extra money....

Do you think YOU might have a righteous interest in your neighbors self interest?



That thought you just had... that's the one the rest of us use to form a government around. We base it on the concept of living together as a community in peace, while maintaining the freedom to be inventive. It's a balance in need of maintenance in a dynamic environment.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Seems to this average Joe that the qualifying trait as to the corruptibility of a politician is simply the number and quality of elections financed to date.

Seems that way to a lot of us Joe. Get the money out of Politics so that our elected officials can do what we elected them to do... serve the PEOPLE, not the contributors.

Transparency is the key. As long as Americans have disposable income, money will be spent trying to influence the market environment... it is expected. The trick is to ensure that every dollar given to a campaign or cause is accountable to a living human who bleeds and every advertisement published is signed by a living, breathing human.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Seems to this average Joe that the qualifying trait as to the corruptibility of a politician is simply the number and quality of elections financed to date.

Seems that way to a lot of us Joe. Get the money out of Politics so that our elected officials can do what we elected them to do... serve the PEOPLE, not the contributors.

Get the government out of the economy and there wouldn't be such a need for contributors.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For Republicans America is a platform for individual fulfillment. Here is the catch: the Individual is defined in the narrowest possible terms. Any notion of the "The Public Good" is seen as "Socialism" (socialism being anything the government does for the non-wealthy). The Free Market will fix New Orleans levees. The Free Market will effectively control the amount of derivative based risk Wall Street will take. The Free Market will get us off imported oil(rather than spending decades making terrorists stronger). The Free Market will keep our rivers clean. The Free Market will make healthcare more efficient. The Free Market won't bribe Washington in order to increase it's profit margin. We don't need to worry about "The Public Good", individual selfishness driven by short term profit is a utopian reflex.

But the world doesn't work that way. Selfishness harms society....tears it apart....destroys the world economy....spills millions of barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico.....tears a hole in the ozone...creates a garbage patch in the Pacific Ocean twice the size of Texas...melts the North Polar ice cap.....creates massive deficits by giving huge tax breaks for the wealthy....

But the Republicans celebrate this selfishness. It is their core value. For them greed is good.

The Democrat Party's leader lockstepped with Greenpeace in destroying American jobs in the Gulf of Mexico. Here are their goals:

Globally Greenpeace is calling for:

* A ban on new offshore drilling and exploration for other high risk unconventional oil sources, including the arctic and Canadian tar sands;
* Phase out of remaining oil drilling;
* Government must require all oil companies to be fully insured for all liabilities;
* An end to fossil fuel subsidies and an increase in support for clean energy;
* Strong laws and policies that limit global warming pollution and stimulate a clean Energy [R]evolution. Greenpeace...demanding British company stop deepwater drilling in Arctic
​

Greenpeace has the tendency to do criminal things, and in particular, British oil interests for the purpose of "banning, phasing out, ending fossil fuels, limiting 'global warming pollution' etc.

Yet, Greenpeace activists have no compunctions about breaking environmental laws themselves by failure to submit oil spill prevention documents for their boat while going after people engaged in the timber industry.

Are you one thousand percent certain Republicans had anything whatever to do with "spilling oil reserves" in the Gulf?

What I see is an opportunity for someone to do politics by attacking the Gulf of Mexico rig BP had drilled, cause pollution in an area it didn't care about, blame the British, ban the British, condemn the British, and then have President Barack Obama do the do. Did he miss any of the 5 demands of Greenpeace? No.

Does it smell like a Greenpeace hit to get rid of the lot? It has that odor to this watcher.

As a consequence, Barack Obama also shut down all the oil drilling jobs in the Gulf of Mexico, throwing 30,000 people out of good paying jobs; that caused a 250% hike in gas prices which threw an estimated 200,000 Americans out of jobs in the tourist industry, many of who are college students; this frightened people in business like no other president has in the history of the United States. We now have 10% of people out of work and another 11% hard-core unemployed (out of work for 6 months+.)

Who were you charging with selfishness? People who support businesses responsible for hiring millions of Americans with good-paying jobs?

You're doing a real piece of work here, Chris. But I'm not buying what you're selling.

An end to fossil fuel subsidies

I love this idea. Probably the only thing taxed heavier than fossil fuel is tobacco.

Ask these clowns to identify the subsidies, if you want a good laugh.

 

[snjmom]

Seems to this average Joe that the qualifying trait as to the corruptibility of a politician is simply the number and quality of elections financed to date.

Seems that way to a lot of us Joe. Get the money out of Politics so that our elected officials can do what we elected them to do... serve the PEOPLE, not the contributors.

Get the government out of the economy and there wouldn't be such a need for contributors.

Every governmental decision has an economic impact. Every decision made by an individual has an economic impact. Economics is about opportunity cost, not money. Finance is about money. It is much easier to ban money from the electoral process than it is to ban legislation from having any impact on the economy.