Fifty Years After Saigon: Remembering the Nobility of a Betrayed Cause

[Soupnazi630]

Some people really have not learnt a damn thing since Vietnam have they?

No you have not

 

[Deadstick]

You mean the North Vietnamese who spent the war torturing anyone who supported the Republic of Vietnam's government, or the ones who executed between three and six thousand civilians in Hue during the Tet Offensive: "the Battle of Huế began on 31 January 1968, and lasted for 26 days. During the months and years that followed, dozens of mass graves were discovered in and around Huế. The estimated death toll was between 2,800 and 6,000 civilians and prisoners of war, or 5–10% of the total population of Huế. The Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) released a list of 4,062 victims identified as having been either murdered or abducted. Victims were found bound, tortured, and sometimes buried alive. Many victims were also clubbed to death. You are backing the wrong side as usual.

History shows i backed the right side, you backed the side of the Southern Vichy Regime and the side of Mi Lai and many other such incidents and the side of chemical warfare.

 

[gipper]

Just like the Germans and Japanese did, although the Axis wouldn't have provided the fair trials the WAllies did. Civilians ALWAYS suffer in war, usually worse than combatants.

Fair trials. Lol. You know nothing about those trials. STFU.

Yeah since you think civilians have always suffered in war, which isn’t entirely accurate, mass murdering them is okay. STFU idiot.

 

[Soupnazi630]

History shows i backed the right side, you backed the side of the Southern Vichy Regime and the side of Mi Lai and many other such incidents and the side of chemical warfare.

History proves you wrong

there was no chemical warfare, My Lai was an isolated incident unlike the repeated slighters of the Norrth such as the Hue city masscre. That is the side you support

You support evil. We were on the side of good

 

[gipper]

History proves you wrong

there was no chemical warfare, My Lai was an isolated incident unlike the repeated slighters of the Norrth such as the Hue city masscre. That is the side you support

You support evil. We were on the side of good

Lol. Look who obviously knows nothing about the history of the Vietnam War.

Still thinks Oswald was a communist and acted entirely alone. Lol.

Thinks the government he supports is a thief.

Can’t fix stupid.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Lol. Look who obviously knows nothing about the history of the Vietnam War.

Still thinks Oswald was a communist and acted entirely alone. Lol.

Thinks the government he supports is a thief.

Can’t fix stupid.

Yes your stupid ass cannot be fized.

I know more about everything than you BOY everything I stated is factual

I own you and make you run away crying with every thread and argument

Run along now *****

 

[gipper]

Yes your stupid ass cannot be fized.

I know more about everything than you BOY everything I stated is factual

I own you and make you run away crying with every thread and argument

Run along now *****

You only know what the state has told you. You’ve been indoctrinated. You must know the biggest liar in the world is government, but you still believe it.

Can’t fix stupid.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You only know what the state has told you. You’ve been indoctrinated. You must know the biggest liar in the world is government, but you still believe it.

Can’t fix stupid.

no you are a brainwashed idiot who thinks conspiracy theory movies are the truth

You have never proven a claim or provided evidence

oswald was a communist who acted along prove othersie

oh thats right you have no evidence because you are a childish liar

The biggest liar is YOU

You are the dumbest person here and that is not an insult just a statement of fact and yes your stupid ass cannot be fixed

 

[gipper]

no you are a brainwashed idiot who thinks conspiracy theory movies are the truth

You have never proven a claim or provided evidence

oswald was a communist who acted along prove othersie

oh thats right you have no evidence because you are a childish liar

The biggest liar is YOU

You are the dumbest person here and that is not an insult just a statement of fact and yes your stupid ass cannot be fixed

Wow! Readily admits he knows nothing. Lol.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wow! Readily admits he knows nothing. Lol.

as usual where is your evidence *****

Cough some up or leave

 

[AZrailwhale]

History shows i backed the right side, you backed the side of the Southern Vichy Regime and the side of Mi Lai and many other such incidents and the side of chemical warfare.

Nope you backed the side that signed a peace treaty, then violated it as soon as it was rearmed by the USSR. However that doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[gipper]

Nope you backed the side that signed a peace treaty, then violated it as soon as it was rearmed by the USSR. However that doesn't surprise me at all.

Yeah our criminal government should have continued the war even though the vast majority of Americans opposed it. You support tyranny, but are too dumb to know it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yeah our criminal government should have continued the war even though the vast majority of Americans opposed it. You support tyranny, but are too dumb to know it.

This war lasted ten years and opinions changed in that time

Through MOST of the war the American public supported it.

As the war dragged on public opinion changed and turned against the war, Shartly after that it ended'

So you are proven to be an ignorant ******* liar

As you always are

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yeah our criminal government should have continued the war even though the vast majority of Americans opposed it. You support tyranny, but are too dumb to know it.

The war was over. Saigon was disarming and the US had left. The PRVN decided to start a new war with a new army provided at no cost by the Russians and conquer the RVN and the democrats running congress decided to not fulfill our commitment to provide air and logistical support to the ARVN. The same initial situation played out in Korea on June 25th, 1950, when North Korean troops supported and armed by the USSR invaded a peaceful South Korea. The difference there was that the UN back then opposed aggression and encouraged members to commit combat forces to repel the invasion.

 

[Deadstick]

Nope you backed the side that signed a peace treaty, then violated it as soon as it was rearmed by the USSR. However that doesn't surprise me at all.

You lost get over it.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You lost get over it.

So no answer to my statement other than what a six-year-old would say.

 

[my2¢]

The ones who really missed the lesson of Vietnam were George W Bush and the neocons at the beginning of this century.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Mike uses all his failed arguments from before. He would fail a frosh history course with this nonsense.

Perhaps in your alternate reality, but not here on Earth. You clearly have read next to nothing about the Vietnam War and have no clue about current Vietnam War scholarship. You peddle myths that were debunked decades ago, such as the old Communist propaganda line that South Vietnam and the U.S. violated the Geneva Accords and caused the war by refusing to hold reunification elections in 1956.

I again suggest you read Dr. Pierre Asselin's book Hanoi's Road to War to the Vietnam War, 1954-1965 (University of California Press, 2015). Asselin is the Dwight E. Stanford Chair in American Foreign Relations in the Department of History at San Diego State University. He is regarded as one of the world's leading experts on American foreign policy in Southeast Asia and has authored several books on the subject. He speaks Vietnamese and has done primary research in Vietnam.

Heck, if you promise you'll read it and give me your mailing address in a direct message, I'll send you a free copy of my new book Reclaiming the Vietnam War: The Betrayal of South Vietnam, endorsed by Vietnam War scholars Mark Moyar and Bill Laurie. I devote several pages to the myth that the U.S. and South Vietnam caused the war and broke their word by refusing to hold the rigged elections that Hanoi's thugs wanted to hold in 1956.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yeah our criminal government should have continued the war even though the vast majority of Americans opposed it. You support tyranny, but are too dumb to know it.

Nope, the war was over. The RVN supported by SEATO had won. The PRVN started a new war a year later after being resupplied, rearmed and given a new, armor heavy European style army by the Russians at no cost.

 

[gipper]

Nope, the war was over. The RVN supported by SEATO had won. The PRVN started a new war a year later after being resupplied, rearmed and given a new, armor heavy European style army by the Russians at no cost.

Agreed. I’m surprised you finally got something right.

Of course, you would have supported our government going back in an continuing the war. The American people told idiots like you to **** off.