Father of Apocalyptic Christian Zionism- Hal Lindsey

[Sunni Man]

According to?

The Torah ...

 

[Infallible Arbiter]

Decomposing Hal, is just another one in a long line of those that say,
"Lo Here and Lo There" -
which Jesus told you not to believe or follow in Luke 17:23

 

[rylah]

I find it revealing that many religionists have a deep need to endlessly speculate WHEN the end times comes. The obsession that generates cults (David Koresh) and doomsday proclamations over the decades, the endless interpretations of a few lines in the book of revelations (often written in stupid and unnecessary riddles) the endless talk about the "rapture" indicating a deep seated need to believe in something.....

Why can't religionists just patiently wait quietly? leave out the silly speculations as their favorite messiah says no one knows the hour of his coming.....

Some "religionists" fulfill the duty of 'waiting',
others are more 'active'.

But it's of course not black and white, individuals are complex. And for a real "religionist", it seems these two paths should be seen, as ultimately serving the same purpose.

 

[rylah]

According to?

The Torah ...

Go on don't be shy...

 

[Infallible Arbiter]

I find it revealing that many religionists have a deep need to endlessly speculate WHEN the end times comes. The obsession that generates cults (David Koresh) and doomsday proclamations over the decades, the endless interpretations of a few lines in the book of revelations (often written in stupid and unnecessary riddles) the endless talk about the "rapture" indicating a deep seated need to believe in something.....

Why can't religionists just patiently wait quietly? leave out the silly speculations as their favorite messiah says no one knows the hour of his coming.....

Some "religionists" fulfill the duty of 'waiting',
others are more 'active'.

But it's of course not black and white, individuals are complex. And for a real "religionist", it seems these two paths should be seen, as serving the same purpose.

The 'End Times' is the End of Time - "Time No More" in Rev 10:6.

That throws christian's, atheists, and all cynics into a whirl.

You won't find me casting my pearls about what it means.

 

[The Original Tree]

Excerpt:

End Times Dispensationalism

So what are these End Times beliefs that have converted much of the remaining Protestant establishment in American into a disastrous death cult? It’s complicated.

Christians have always believed that Jesus would one day return, but that belief started out vague, and grew steadily less important as this key event kept failing to occur. In first decades after Jesus’ crucifixion, the Apostle Paul believed that Jesus’ return was so imminent that people needn’t bother getting married. Naturally, that belief didn’t age well.

As time passed and Christians who initially thought themselves immune from death started dying, these young churches needed an explanation. New Testament writers offered a series of oblique pronouncements about an End of Days, but their attention gradually moved from the imminent return of someone who persistently failed to return, toward a focus on Heaven and the Afterlife.

One Biblical writer, influenced apparently by persecutions of Christians in the Second Century, wrote a psychedelic screed which came to be titled Revelation. To the extent that anyone can derive context or meaning from this rant, it seems to be directed squarely at the writer’s most hated targets, the Romans and the Jews.

In it Jesus is said to condemn the unbelieving Jews as the “Synagogue of Satan” and their future torments are described with sadistic color. It also imagines a series of exquisite horrors to be vengefully visited on its other main character, Rome, at the End of the World.

The Book of Revelation barely made it into our New Testament canon and the Christian belief in Jesus’s return faded into a minor element of the faith. Down through the centuries, End Times theology flared up in times of plague, disorder, or mayhem, but it remained the playground of religious zealots and outcasts, never developed with much interest by conventional theologians.

Ask an American evangelical today about Armageddon or the End of the World, and you’re likely to hear a story gleaned from popular literature that descends not from the early church or the Bible, but from the colorful imagination of a 19th century English cultist.

After being seriously injured in a fall from horse in 1827, lapsed cleric John Nelson Darby began to write down the theology God had revealed to him.

Most of his work was forgotten, and his teachings flopped entirely in Europe. However, one element of his cult mythology caught fire in the US, especially in the South. By crafting together bits and pieces of Biblical text like the disconnected words on refrigerator magnets, Darby invented a story of The End Times perfectly suited

for the needs of slaveholder religion in the South. It was called Dispensationalism.

continued

Ehh, you are a pagan. The End Times Tribulation or Time of Jacob's Trouble is for Israel's Repentance and to bring the remnant of Israel in to recognition and acceptance of Yeshua-Jesus as their Messiah.

It's 2nd fold purpose is to punish a Christ Rejecting humanity, and destroy human government and pour out The Wrath of God on The End Times Anti Christ Government, and then put an end to Evil, and establish The Millennial Kingdom of Christ on a Restored Earth.

Hal Lindsey only teaches what The Scriptures Say. And they say The Jews will suffer just as much if not more than all the other unbelievers on Earth during that time of the 7 year tribulation. 2/3rds of The Jews are killed, and only 1/3rd is saved at The End at Armageddon during Christ's return when The Jews "look upon Him whom they pierced". So how you can call 2/3rds of all Jews being slaughtered some kind of Zionism is beyond me.

70% of the World's population is wiped out in that 7 years, most of the water is poisoned, most of the fish die, 1/4 of all plant life get's burnt up, and 1/3rd of all ships are destroyed, and that is just the beginning of sorrows and curses such as The Earth has never seen.

Only The Church of Believers in Christ escape the wrath that is coming upon The Earth, and everyone else, including Jews endures God's Wrath.

The end times were the end of Temple Judaism. I'm not a pagan at all. Hal Linsey is a poor scholar, but he does base his theology on the beliefs of Cyrus Scofield who was a convicted felon and had no religious training.

The Tribulation was over in 70 AD and the new Jewish Christians fled to the mountains as Jesus told them to do. They fled Jerusalem for Pella and avoided the horrors or the tribulation.

Sorry, but you preach heresies and blasphemies, and are wrong and ignorant of prophecy. Daniel's prophecy of 490 years or 70 Week Years of 7s was accurate right until the end of the 69th week or 483 years when "Messiah would be cut off and have nothing for Himself" right down to the day it was accurate.

That means the that last 7 years determined upon Israel have been on hold since The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ. This represents The Church Age and Age of The Gentiles. When that age is over, and The Age of The Gentiles is Full, The Last 7 Years will begin.

Daniel was written by a group of Jews around 164 BC, during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes to offer hope and encouragement to the Jews.

Antiochus was terrible. he raised an idol in the Temple (the Abomination of Desolation) forbid circumcision.... all sorts of mean crap. This was also around the time of the Maccabean Revolt. The writers set the story in the Babylonian court..

Jesus referenced Daniel when he said, "when you see the Abomination of Desolation again flee to the mountains... and they did.

It's no skin off of my nose if you perish in your heresies. Hell was made for Lucifer (Allah) and his Demons, and you are welcome to join them on Judgment Day.

Even in your lies about The Book of Daniel, you cannot explain away that prophecy being accurate right down to The Day Jesus entered Jerusalem and was ultimately "cut off" like Daniel Foretold.

 

[surada]

So what is the heresy?

Mostly his interpretation of Revelation.. Scofield was hired by Samuel Untermyer who also published the Scofield Bible. He the same guy who called for war against all things German from Madison Square Garden in 1933. He also blackmailed Wilson with the love letters and put Brandeis on the Supreme Court.

The stuff about 2/3 of Jews will die and 1/3 will convert was absolute crap. But, this stuff was very popular at tent revivals among the poor during the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression.. It got another boost from Hal Lindsey in the 1970s.

 

[rylah]

I find it revealing that many religionists have a deep need to endlessly speculate WHEN the end times comes. The obsession that generates cults (David Koresh) and doomsday proclamations over the decades, the endless interpretations of a few lines in the book of revelations (often written in stupid and unnecessary riddles) the endless talk about the "rapture" indicating a deep seated need to believe in something.....

Why can't religionists just patiently wait quietly? leave out the silly speculations as their favorite messiah says no one knows the hour of his coming.....

Some "religionists" fulfill the duty of 'waiting',
others are more 'active'.

But it's of course not black and white, individuals are complex. And for a real "religionist", it seems these two paths should be seen, as serving the same purpose.

The 'End Times' is the End of Time - "Time No More" in Rev 10:6.

That throws christian's, atheists, and all cynics into a whirl.

You won't find me casting my pearls about what it means.

These terms are too messed up for me,
I think in Hebrew, we don't have this "end of time" thing.

There's a whole 1000 years of Messianic kingdom...what's after...c'mon it's always been eternity, the soul is eternal. 'End of time' seems an irrelevant play on words.

You wanna wait till the 'end of times' go for it...call me then, I'd like to know.
In the meantime we'll keep busy renewing prophecy, and all the other interesting stuff

 

[rylah]

So what is the heresy?

Mostly his interpretation of Revelation.. Scofield was hired by Samuel Untermyer who also published the Scofield Bible. He the same guy who called for war against all things German from Madison Square Garden in 1933. He also blackmailed Wilson with the love letters and put Brandeis on the Supreme Court.

The stuff about 2/3 of Jews will die and 1/3 will convert was absolute crap. But, this stuff was very popular at tent revivals among the poor during the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression.. It got another boost from Hal Lindsey in the 1970s.

Interestingly, you focus exclusively on judgement of character, than addressing anything that would actually explain the heresy.

I have a slight suspicion you've opened this thread,
having no idea about the topic beyond the level of an average populist placard...

 

[The Original Tree]

I find it revealing that many religionists have a deep need to endlessly speculate WHEN the end times comes. The obsession that generates cults (David Koresh) and doomsday proclamations over the decades, the endless interpretations of a few lines in the book of revelations (often written in stupid and unnecessary riddles) the endless talk about the "rapture" indicating a deep seated need to believe in something.....

Why can't religionists just patiently wait quietly? leave out the silly speculations as their favorite messiah says no one knows the hour of his coming.....

Some "religionists" fulfill the duty of 'waiting',
others are more 'active'.

But it's of course not black and white, individuals are complex. And for a real "religionist", it seems these two paths should be seen, as serving the same purpose.

The 'End Times' is the End of Time - "Time No More" in Rev 10:6.

That throws christian's, atheists, and all cynics into a whirl.

You won't find me casting my pearls about what it means.

These terms are too messed up for me,
I think in Hebrew, we don't have this "end of time" thing.

There's a whole 1000 years of Messianic kingdom...what's after...c'mon it's always been eternity, the soul is eternal. 'End of time' seems an irrelevant play on words.

You wanna wait till the 'end of times' go for it...call me then, I'd like to know.
In the meantime we'll keep busy renewing prophecy, and all the other interesting stuff

There is the last 7 years of human history and human rule. That is The Tribulation or Time of Jacob's Trouble.

The Bema Judgment occurs (for believers works and faith). Then immediately after is the 1,000 Year Millennial Reign of Christ, and a short testing period at the end of the 1,000 years to see if there is anyone who still wants to follow Satan in the 2nd Gog and Magog War. Shockingly, people are crazy enough to fall for Satan's lies, and they still join in with him in one last rebellion after 1,000 years of peace. All those people and nations are incinerated.

Then comes the Final and last Judgment, and then The Earth and Heavens (2nd Heaven) is burnt up with fire, The Faithful Remnant are given Eternal Bodies, after the 2nd Gog Magog War, and The Earth is replaced with a New Earth and New Heaven and Eternity Begins.

 

[rylah]

Excerpt:

End Times Dispensationalism

So what are these End Times beliefs that have converted much of the remaining Protestant establishment in American into a disastrous death cult? It’s complicated.

Christians have always believed that Jesus would one day return, but that belief started out vague, and grew steadily less important as this key event kept failing to occur. In first decades after Jesus’ crucifixion, the Apostle Paul believed that Jesus’ return was so imminent that people needn’t bother getting married. Naturally, that belief didn’t age well.

As time passed and Christians who initially thought themselves immune from death started dying, these young churches needed an explanation. New Testament writers offered a series of oblique pronouncements about an End of Days, but their attention gradually moved from the imminent return of someone who persistently failed to return, toward a focus on Heaven and the Afterlife.

One Biblical writer, influenced apparently by persecutions of Christians in the Second Century, wrote a psychedelic screed which came to be titled Revelation. To the extent that anyone can derive context or meaning from this rant, it seems to be directed squarely at the writer’s most hated targets, the Romans and the Jews.

In it Jesus is said to condemn the unbelieving Jews as the “Synagogue of Satan” and their future torments are described with sadistic color. It also imagines a series of exquisite horrors to be vengefully visited on its other main character, Rome, at the End of the World.

The Book of Revelation barely made it into our New Testament canon and the Christian belief in Jesus’s return faded into a minor element of the faith. Down through the centuries, End Times theology flared up in times of plague, disorder, or mayhem, but it remained the playground of religious zealots and outcasts, never developed with much interest by conventional theologians.

Ask an American evangelical today about Armageddon or the End of the World, and you’re likely to hear a story gleaned from popular literature that descends not from the early church or the Bible, but from the colorful imagination of a 19th century English cultist.

After being seriously injured in a fall from horse in 1827, lapsed cleric John Nelson Darby began to write down the theology God had revealed to him.

Most of his work was forgotten, and his teachings flopped entirely in Europe. However, one element of his cult mythology caught fire in the US, especially in the South. By crafting together bits and pieces of Biblical text like the disconnected words on refrigerator magnets, Darby invented a story of The End Times perfectly suited

for the needs of slaveholder religion in the South. It was called Dispensationalism.

continued

Ehh, you are a pagan. The End Times Tribulation or Time of Jacob's Trouble is for Israel's Repentance and to bring the remnant of Israel in to recognition and acceptance of Yeshua-Jesus as their Messiah.

It's 2nd fold purpose is to punish a Christ Rejecting humanity, and destroy human government and pour out The Wrath of God on The End Times Anti Christ Government, and then put an end to Evil, and establish The Millennial Kingdom of Christ on a Restored Earth.

Hal Lindsey only teaches what The Scriptures Say. And they say The Jews will suffer just as much if not more than all the other unbelievers on Earth during that time of the 7 year tribulation. 2/3rds of The Jews are killed, and only 1/3rd is saved at The End at Armageddon during Christ's return when The Jews "look upon Him whom they pierced". So how you can call 2/3rds of all Jews being slaughtered some kind of Zionism is beyond me.

70% of the World's population is wiped out in that 7 years, most of the water is poisoned, most of the fish die, 1/4 of all plant life get's burnt up, and 1/3rd of all ships are destroyed, and that is just the beginning of sorrows and curses such as The Earth has never seen.

Only The Church of Believers in Christ escape the wrath that is coming upon The Earth, and everyone else, including Jews endures God's Wrath.

The end times were the end of Temple Judaism. I'm not a pagan at all. Hal Linsey is a poor scholar, but he does base his theology on the beliefs of Cyrus Scofield who was a convicted felon and had no religious training.

The Tribulation was over in 70 AD and the new Jewish Christians fled to the mountains as Jesus told them to do. They fled Jerusalem for Pella and avoided the horrors or the tribulation.

Sorry, but you preach heresies and blasphemies, and are wrong and ignorant of prophecy. Daniel's prophecy of 490 years or 70 Week Years of 7s was accurate right until the end of the 69th week or 483 years when "Messiah would be cut off and have nothing for Himself" right down to the day it was accurate.

That means the that last 7 years determined upon Israel have been on hold since The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ. This represents The Church Age and Age of The Gentiles. When that age is over, and The Age of The Gentiles is Full, The Last 7 Years will begin.

Daniel was written by a group of Jews around 164 BC, during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes to offer hope and encouragement to the Jews.

Antiochus was terrible. he raised an idol in the Temple (the Abomination of Desolation) forbid circumcision.... all sorts of mean crap. This was also around the time of the Maccabean Revolt. The writers set the story in the Babylonian court..

Jesus referenced Daniel when he said, "when you see the Abomination of Desolation again flee to the mountains... and they did.

It's no skin off of my nose if you perish in your heresies. Hell was made for Lucifer (Allah) and his Demons, and you are welcome to join them on Judgment Day.

Even in your lies about The Book of Daniel, you cannot explain away that prophecy being accurate right down to The Day Jesus entered Jerusalem and was ultimately "cut off" like Daniel Foretold.

Ok, so I'm not the only one seeing the cheap Islamist pretense...

 

[The Original Tree]

Excerpt:

End Times Dispensationalism

So what are these End Times beliefs that have converted much of the remaining Protestant establishment in American into a disastrous death cult? It’s complicated.

Christians have always believed that Jesus would one day return, but that belief started out vague, and grew steadily less important as this key event kept failing to occur. In first decades after Jesus’ crucifixion, the Apostle Paul believed that Jesus’ return was so imminent that people needn’t bother getting married. Naturally, that belief didn’t age well.

As time passed and Christians who initially thought themselves immune from death started dying, these young churches needed an explanation. New Testament writers offered a series of oblique pronouncements about an End of Days, but their attention gradually moved from the imminent return of someone who persistently failed to return, toward a focus on Heaven and the Afterlife.

One Biblical writer, influenced apparently by persecutions of Christians in the Second Century, wrote a psychedelic screed which came to be titled Revelation. To the extent that anyone can derive context or meaning from this rant, it seems to be directed squarely at the writer’s most hated targets, the Romans and the Jews.

In it Jesus is said to condemn the unbelieving Jews as the “Synagogue of Satan” and their future torments are described with sadistic color. It also imagines a series of exquisite horrors to be vengefully visited on its other main character, Rome, at the End of the World.

The Book of Revelation barely made it into our New Testament canon and the Christian belief in Jesus’s return faded into a minor element of the faith. Down through the centuries, End Times theology flared up in times of plague, disorder, or mayhem, but it remained the playground of religious zealots and outcasts, never developed with much interest by conventional theologians.

Ask an American evangelical today about Armageddon or the End of the World, and you’re likely to hear a story gleaned from popular literature that descends not from the early church or the Bible, but from the colorful imagination of a 19th century English cultist.

After being seriously injured in a fall from horse in 1827, lapsed cleric John Nelson Darby began to write down the theology God had revealed to him.

Most of his work was forgotten, and his teachings flopped entirely in Europe. However, one element of his cult mythology caught fire in the US, especially in the South. By crafting together bits and pieces of Biblical text like the disconnected words on refrigerator magnets, Darby invented a story of The End Times perfectly suited

for the needs of slaveholder religion in the South. It was called Dispensationalism.

continued

Ehh, you are a pagan. The End Times Tribulation or Time of Jacob's Trouble is for Israel's Repentance and to bring the remnant of Israel in to recognition and acceptance of Yeshua-Jesus as their Messiah.

It's 2nd fold purpose is to punish a Christ Rejecting humanity, and destroy human government and pour out The Wrath of God on The End Times Anti Christ Government, and then put an end to Evil, and establish The Millennial Kingdom of Christ on a Restored Earth.

Hal Lindsey only teaches what The Scriptures Say. And they say The Jews will suffer just as much if not more than all the other unbelievers on Earth during that time of the 7 year tribulation. 2/3rds of The Jews are killed, and only 1/3rd is saved at The End at Armageddon during Christ's return when The Jews "look upon Him whom they pierced". So how you can call 2/3rds of all Jews being slaughtered some kind of Zionism is beyond me.

70% of the World's population is wiped out in that 7 years, most of the water is poisoned, most of the fish die, 1/4 of all plant life get's burnt up, and 1/3rd of all ships are destroyed, and that is just the beginning of sorrows and curses such as The Earth has never seen.

Only The Church of Believers in Christ escape the wrath that is coming upon The Earth, and everyone else, including Jews endures God's Wrath.

The end times were the end of Temple Judaism. I'm not a pagan at all. Hal Linsey is a poor scholar, but he does base his theology on the beliefs of Cyrus Scofield who was a convicted felon and had no religious training.

The Tribulation was over in 70 AD and the new Jewish Christians fled to the mountains as Jesus told them to do. They fled Jerusalem for Pella and avoided the horrors or the tribulation.

Sorry, but you preach heresies and blasphemies, and are wrong and ignorant of prophecy. Daniel's prophecy of 490 years or 70 Week Years of 7s was accurate right until the end of the 69th week or 483 years when "Messiah would be cut off and have nothing for Himself" right down to the day it was accurate.

That means the that last 7 years determined upon Israel have been on hold since The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ. This represents The Church Age and Age of The Gentiles. When that age is over, and The Age of The Gentiles is Full, The Last 7 Years will begin.

Daniel was written by a group of Jews around 164 BC, during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes to offer hope and encouragement to the Jews.

Antiochus was terrible. he raised an idol in the Temple (the Abomination of Desolation) forbid circumcision.... all sorts of mean crap. This was also around the time of the Maccabean Revolt. The writers set the story in the Babylonian court..

Jesus referenced Daniel when he said, "when you see the Abomination of Desolation again flee to the mountains... and they did.

It's no skin off of my nose if you perish in your heresies. Hell was made for Lucifer (Allah) and his Demons, and you are welcome to join them on Judgment Day.

Even in your lies about The Book of Daniel, you cannot explain away that prophecy being accurate right down to The Day Jesus entered Jerusalem and was ultimately "cut off" like Daniel Foretold.

Ok, so I'm not the only one seeing the cheap Islamist pretense...

I've read his posts before. He's like his father who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning. This isn't his first attempt at Anti-Christian Anti-Semite propaganda.

 

[surada]

Excerpt:

End Times Dispensationalism

So what are these End Times beliefs that have converted much of the remaining Protestant establishment in American into a disastrous death cult? It’s complicated.

Christians have always believed that Jesus would one day return, but that belief started out vague, and grew steadily less important as this key event kept failing to occur. In first decades after Jesus’ crucifixion, the Apostle Paul believed that Jesus’ return was so imminent that people needn’t bother getting married. Naturally, that belief didn’t age well.

As time passed and Christians who initially thought themselves immune from death started dying, these young churches needed an explanation. New Testament writers offered a series of oblique pronouncements about an End of Days, but their attention gradually moved from the imminent return of someone who persistently failed to return, toward a focus on Heaven and the Afterlife.

One Biblical writer, influenced apparently by persecutions of Christians in the Second Century, wrote a psychedelic screed which came to be titled Revelation. To the extent that anyone can derive context or meaning from this rant, it seems to be directed squarely at the writer’s most hated targets, the Romans and the Jews.

In it Jesus is said to condemn the unbelieving Jews as the “Synagogue of Satan” and their future torments are described with sadistic color. It also imagines a series of exquisite horrors to be vengefully visited on its other main character, Rome, at the End of the World.

The Book of Revelation barely made it into our New Testament canon and the Christian belief in Jesus’s return faded into a minor element of the faith. Down through the centuries, End Times theology flared up in times of plague, disorder, or mayhem, but it remained the playground of religious zealots and outcasts, never developed with much interest by conventional theologians.

Ask an American evangelical today about Armageddon or the End of the World, and you’re likely to hear a story gleaned from popular literature that descends not from the early church or the Bible, but from the colorful imagination of a 19th century English cultist.

After being seriously injured in a fall from horse in 1827, lapsed cleric John Nelson Darby began to write down the theology God had revealed to him.

Most of his work was forgotten, and his teachings flopped entirely in Europe. However, one element of his cult mythology caught fire in the US, especially in the South. By crafting together bits and pieces of Biblical text like the disconnected words on refrigerator magnets, Darby invented a story of The End Times perfectly suited

for the needs of slaveholder religion in the South. It was called Dispensationalism.

continued

Ehh, you are a pagan. The End Times Tribulation or Time of Jacob's Trouble is for Israel's Repentance and to bring the remnant of Israel in to recognition and acceptance of Yeshua-Jesus as their Messiah.

It's 2nd fold purpose is to punish a Christ Rejecting humanity, and destroy human government and pour out The Wrath of God on The End Times Anti Christ Government, and then put an end to Evil, and establish The Millennial Kingdom of Christ on a Restored Earth.

Hal Lindsey only teaches what The Scriptures Say. And they say The Jews will suffer just as much if not more than all the other unbelievers on Earth during that time of the 7 year tribulation. 2/3rds of The Jews are killed, and only 1/3rd is saved at The End at Armageddon during Christ's return when The Jews "look upon Him whom they pierced". So how you can call 2/3rds of all Jews being slaughtered some kind of Zionism is beyond me.

70% of the World's population is wiped out in that 7 years, most of the water is poisoned, most of the fish die, 1/4 of all plant life get's burnt up, and 1/3rd of all ships are destroyed, and that is just the beginning of sorrows and curses such as The Earth has never seen.

Only The Church of Believers in Christ escape the wrath that is coming upon The Earth, and everyone else, including Jews endures God's Wrath.

The end times were the end of Temple Judaism. I'm not a pagan at all. Hal Linsey is a poor scholar, but he does base his theology on the beliefs of Cyrus Scofield who was a convicted felon and had no religious training.

The Tribulation was over in 70 AD and the new Jewish Christians fled to the mountains as Jesus told them to do. They fled Jerusalem for Pella and avoided the horrors or the tribulation.

Sorry, but you preach heresies and blasphemies, and are wrong and ignorant of prophecy. Daniel's prophecy of 490 years or 70 Week Years of 7s was accurate right until the end of the 69th week or 483 years when "Messiah would be cut off and have nothing for Himself" right down to the day it was accurate.

That means the that last 7 years determined upon Israel have been on hold since The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ. This represents The Church Age and Age of The Gentiles. When that age is over, and The Age of The Gentiles is Full, The Last 7 Years will begin.

Daniel was written by a group of Jews around 164 BC, during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes to offer hope and encouragement to the Jews.

Antiochus was terrible. he raised an idol in the Temple (the Abomination of Desolation) forbid circumcision.... all sorts of mean crap. This was also around the time of the Maccabean Revolt. The writers set the story in the Babylonian court..

Jesus referenced Daniel when he said, "when you see the Abomination of Desolation again flee to the mountains... and they did.

It's no skin off of my nose if you perish in your heresies. Hell was made for Lucifer (Allah) and his Demons, and you are welcome to join them on Judgment Day.

Even in your lies about The Book of Daniel, you cannot explain away that prophecy being accurate right down to The Day Jesus entered Jerusalem and was ultimately "cut off" like Daniel Foretold.

Ok, so I'm not the only one seeing the cheap Islamist pretense...

I'm Episcopalian. Allah is just Arabic for God.. Remember, most prophecy was written after the fact. You should probably study Daniel. Its reaction to Antiochus IV.. Do you even know who he was?

 

[rylah]

I find it revealing that many religionists have a deep need to endlessly speculate WHEN the end times comes. The obsession that generates cults (David Koresh) and doomsday proclamations over the decades, the endless interpretations of a few lines in the book of revelations (often written in stupid and unnecessary riddles) the endless talk about the "rapture" indicating a deep seated need to believe in something.....

Why can't religionists just patiently wait quietly? leave out the silly speculations as their favorite messiah says no one knows the hour of his coming.....

Some "religionists" fulfill the duty of 'waiting',
others are more 'active'.

But it's of course not black and white, individuals are complex. And for a real "religionist", it seems these two paths should be seen, as serving the same purpose.

The 'End Times' is the End of Time - "Time No More" in Rev 10:6.

That throws christian's, atheists, and all cynics into a whirl.

You won't find me casting my pearls about what it means.

These terms are too messed up for me,
I think in Hebrew, we don't have this "end of time" thing.

There's a whole 1000 years of Messianic kingdom...what's after...c'mon it's always been eternity, the soul is eternal. 'End of time' seems an irrelevant play on words.

You wanna wait till the 'end of times' go for it...call me then, I'd like to know.
In the meantime we'll keep busy renewing prophecy, and all the other interesting stuff

There is the last 7 years of human history and human rule. That is The Tribulation or Time of Jacob's Trouble.

The Bema Judgment occurs (for believers works and faith). Then immediately after is the 1,000 Year Millennial Reign of Christ, and a short testing period at the end of the 1,000 years to see if there is anyone who still wants to follow Satan in the 2nd Gog and Magog War. Shockingly, people are crazy enough to fall for Satan's lies, and they still join in with him in one last rebellion after 1,000 years of peace. All those people and nations are incinerated.

Then comes the Final and last Judgment, and then The Earth and Heavens (2nd Heaven) is burnt up with fire, The Faithful Remnant are given Eternal Bodies, after the 2nd Gog Magog War, and The Earth is replaced with a New Earth and New Heaven and Eternity Begins.

Let's take a step back, You know I'm a Jew, so what point in bringing up Revelation?
I'm drawn to Maimonides rational view, when it comes we know. There're specific duties a Jewish king must fulfill, active and material achievements. and we might not even understand, or be in complete denial until we've got the whole package, and a generation passes, just like during the exodus.

Who brought You out of Egypt? To them it probably appeared as if Pharaoh kicked us out.
"And Mosheh went out to see the suffering of his people,
and he saw an Egyptian man hit... Deryfus".

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Excerpt:

End Times Dispensationalism

So what are these End Times beliefs that have converted much of the remaining Protestant establishment in American into a disastrous death cult? It’s complicated.

Christians have always believed that Jesus would one day return, but that belief started out vague, and grew steadily less important as this key event kept failing to occur. In first decades after Jesus’ crucifixion, the Apostle Paul believed that Jesus’ return was so imminent that people needn’t bother getting married. Naturally, that belief didn’t age well.

As time passed and Christians who initially thought themselves immune from death started dying, these young churches needed an explanation. New Testament writers offered a series of oblique pronouncements about an End of Days, but their attention gradually moved from the imminent return of someone who persistently failed to return, toward a focus on Heaven and the Afterlife.

One Biblical writer, influenced apparently by persecutions of Christians in the Second Century, wrote a psychedelic screed which came to be titled Revelation. To the extent that anyone can derive context or meaning from this rant, it seems to be directed squarely at the writer’s most hated targets, the Romans and the Jews.

In it Jesus is said to condemn the unbelieving Jews as the “Synagogue of Satan” and their future torments are described with sadistic color. It also imagines a series of exquisite horrors to be vengefully visited on its other main character, Rome, at the End of the World.

The Book of Revelation barely made it into our New Testament canon and the Christian belief in Jesus’s return faded into a minor element of the faith. Down through the centuries, End Times theology flared up in times of plague, disorder, or mayhem, but it remained the playground of religious zealots and outcasts, never developed with much interest by conventional theologians.

Ask an American evangelical today about Armageddon or the End of the World, and you’re likely to hear a story gleaned from popular literature that descends not from the early church or the Bible, but from the colorful imagination of a 19th century English cultist.

After being seriously injured in a fall from horse in 1827, lapsed cleric John Nelson Darby began to write down the theology God had revealed to him.

Most of his work was forgotten, and his teachings flopped entirely in Europe. However, one element of his cult mythology caught fire in the US, especially in the South. By crafting together bits and pieces of Biblical text like the disconnected words on refrigerator magnets, Darby invented a story of The End Times perfectly suited

for the needs of slaveholder religion in the South. It was called Dispensationalism.

continued

Ehh, you are a pagan. The End Times Tribulation or Time of Jacob's Trouble is for Israel's Repentance and to bring the remnant of Israel in to recognition and acceptance of Yeshua-Jesus as their Messiah.

It's 2nd fold purpose is to punish a Christ Rejecting humanity, and destroy human government and pour out The Wrath of God on The End Times Anti Christ Government, and then put an end to Evil, and establish The Millennial Kingdom of Christ on a Restored Earth.

Hal Lindsey only teaches what The Scriptures Say. And they say The Jews will suffer just as much if not more than all the other unbelievers on Earth during that time of the 7 year tribulation. 2/3rds of The Jews are killed, and only 1/3rd is saved at The End at Armageddon during Christ's return when The Jews "look upon Him whom they pierced". So how you can call 2/3rds of all Jews being slaughtered some kind of Zionism is beyond me.

70% of the World's population is wiped out in that 7 years, most of the water is poisoned, most of the fish die, 1/4 of all plant life get's burnt up, and 1/3rd of all ships are destroyed, and that is just the beginning of sorrows and curses such as The Earth has never seen.

Only The Church of Believers in Christ escape the wrath that is coming upon The Earth, and everyone else, including Jews endures God's Wrath.

The end times were the end of Temple Judaism. I'm not a pagan at all. Hal Linsey is a poor scholar, but he does base his theology on the beliefs of Cyrus Scofield who was a convicted felon and had no religious training.

The Tribulation was over in 70 AD and the new Jewish Christians fled to the mountains as Jesus told them to do. They fled Jerusalem for Pella and avoided the horrors or the tribulation.

Sorry, but you preach heresies and blasphemies, and are wrong and ignorant of prophecy. Daniel's prophecy of 490 years or 70 Week Years of 7s was accurate right until the end of the 69th week or 483 years when "Messiah would be cut off and have nothing for Himself" right down to the day it was accurate.

That means the that last 7 years determined upon Israel have been on hold since The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ. This represents The Church Age and Age of The Gentiles. When that age is over, and The Age of The Gentiles is Full, The Last 7 Years will begin.

Daniel was written by a group of Jews around 164 BC, during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes to offer hope and encouragement to the Jews.

Antiochus was terrible. he raised an idol in the Temple (the Abomination of Desolation) forbid circumcision.... all sorts of mean crap. This was also around the time of the Maccabean Revolt. The writers set the story in the Babylonian court..

Jesus referenced Daniel when he said, "when you see the Abomination of Desolation again flee to the mountains... and they did.

It's no skin off of my nose if you perish in your heresies. Hell was made for Lucifer (Allah) and his Demons, and you are welcome to join them on Judgment Day.

Even in your lies about The Book of Daniel, you cannot explain away that prophecy being accurate right down to The Day Jesus entered Jerusalem and was ultimately "cut off" like Daniel Foretold.

Ok, so I'm not the only one seeing the cheap Islamist pretense...

The thing hates Jews. It hates Christians. It promotes Islam above all.

You know that old saying about ducks, I'm sure.

 

[rylah]

Excerpt:

End Times Dispensationalism

So what are these End Times beliefs that have converted much of the remaining Protestant establishment in American into a disastrous death cult? It’s complicated.

Christians have always believed that Jesus would one day return, but that belief started out vague, and grew steadily less important as this key event kept failing to occur. In first decades after Jesus’ crucifixion, the Apostle Paul believed that Jesus’ return was so imminent that people needn’t bother getting married. Naturally, that belief didn’t age well.

As time passed and Christians who initially thought themselves immune from death started dying, these young churches needed an explanation. New Testament writers offered a series of oblique pronouncements about an End of Days, but their attention gradually moved from the imminent return of someone who persistently failed to return, toward a focus on Heaven and the Afterlife.

One Biblical writer, influenced apparently by persecutions of Christians in the Second Century, wrote a psychedelic screed which came to be titled Revelation. To the extent that anyone can derive context or meaning from this rant, it seems to be directed squarely at the writer’s most hated targets, the Romans and the Jews.

In it Jesus is said to condemn the unbelieving Jews as the “Synagogue of Satan” and their future torments are described with sadistic color. It also imagines a series of exquisite horrors to be vengefully visited on its other main character, Rome, at the End of the World.

The Book of Revelation barely made it into our New Testament canon and the Christian belief in Jesus’s return faded into a minor element of the faith. Down through the centuries, End Times theology flared up in times of plague, disorder, or mayhem, but it remained the playground of religious zealots and outcasts, never developed with much interest by conventional theologians.

Ask an American evangelical today about Armageddon or the End of the World, and you’re likely to hear a story gleaned from popular literature that descends not from the early church or the Bible, but from the colorful imagination of a 19th century English cultist.

After being seriously injured in a fall from horse in 1827, lapsed cleric John Nelson Darby began to write down the theology God had revealed to him.

Most of his work was forgotten, and his teachings flopped entirely in Europe. However, one element of his cult mythology caught fire in the US, especially in the South. By crafting together bits and pieces of Biblical text like the disconnected words on refrigerator magnets, Darby invented a story of The End Times perfectly suited

for the needs of slaveholder religion in the South. It was called Dispensationalism.

continued

Ehh, you are a pagan. The End Times Tribulation or Time of Jacob's Trouble is for Israel's Repentance and to bring the remnant of Israel in to recognition and acceptance of Yeshua-Jesus as their Messiah.

It's 2nd fold purpose is to punish a Christ Rejecting humanity, and destroy human government and pour out The Wrath of God on The End Times Anti Christ Government, and then put an end to Evil, and establish The Millennial Kingdom of Christ on a Restored Earth.

Hal Lindsey only teaches what The Scriptures Say. And they say The Jews will suffer just as much if not more than all the other unbelievers on Earth during that time of the 7 year tribulation. 2/3rds of The Jews are killed, and only 1/3rd is saved at The End at Armageddon during Christ's return when The Jews "look upon Him whom they pierced". So how you can call 2/3rds of all Jews being slaughtered some kind of Zionism is beyond me.

70% of the World's population is wiped out in that 7 years, most of the water is poisoned, most of the fish die, 1/4 of all plant life get's burnt up, and 1/3rd of all ships are destroyed, and that is just the beginning of sorrows and curses such as The Earth has never seen.

Only The Church of Believers in Christ escape the wrath that is coming upon The Earth, and everyone else, including Jews endures God's Wrath.

The end times were the end of Temple Judaism. I'm not a pagan at all. Hal Linsey is a poor scholar, but he does base his theology on the beliefs of Cyrus Scofield who was a convicted felon and had no religious training.

The Tribulation was over in 70 AD and the new Jewish Christians fled to the mountains as Jesus told them to do. They fled Jerusalem for Pella and avoided the horrors or the tribulation.

Sorry, but you preach heresies and blasphemies, and are wrong and ignorant of prophecy. Daniel's prophecy of 490 years or 70 Week Years of 7s was accurate right until the end of the 69th week or 483 years when "Messiah would be cut off and have nothing for Himself" right down to the day it was accurate.

That means the that last 7 years determined upon Israel have been on hold since The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ. This represents The Church Age and Age of The Gentiles. When that age is over, and The Age of The Gentiles is Full, The Last 7 Years will begin.

Daniel was written by a group of Jews around 164 BC, during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes to offer hope and encouragement to the Jews.

Antiochus was terrible. he raised an idol in the Temple (the Abomination of Desolation) forbid circumcision.... all sorts of mean crap. This was also around the time of the Maccabean Revolt. The writers set the story in the Babylonian court..

Jesus referenced Daniel when he said, "when you see the Abomination of Desolation again flee to the mountains... and they did.

It's no skin off of my nose if you perish in your heresies. Hell was made for Lucifer (Allah) and his Demons, and you are welcome to join them on Judgment Day.

Even in your lies about The Book of Daniel, you cannot explain away that prophecy being accurate right down to The Day Jesus entered Jerusalem and was ultimately "cut off" like Daniel Foretold.

Ok, so I'm not the only one seeing the cheap Islamist pretense...

I'm Episcopalian. Allah is just Arabic for God.. Remember, most prophecy was written after the fact. You should probably study Daniel. Its reaction to Antiochus IV.. Do you even know who he was?

Yes of course Episcopalian,
and that's why you rush immediately
to explain that "Allah is just Arabic for G-d".

But can't actually explain anything when asked about the topic,
except for the typical Islamist nonesense about Judaism and Christianity.

And - "I'm the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem!"...sure thing habibti.

 

[rylah]

Just by Sunni's reaction...always there for backup.


So. let me get this,

'Episcopalian' suradata is our new teacher on anything Christianity,
and 'Rabbi' Sunni is convincing us of his wisdom by appealing to his knowledge of Torah...

The circus

 

[Indeependent]

Oh... and while we're at it, that nonsense about "the church" being who the promise was actually made to is easily disproven. The covenant God made with Abram was very clear-
7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Abraham had many sons by Hagar and Keturah.

They went East to India and China.

 

[Indeependent]

Excerpt:

End Times Dispensationalism

So what are these End Times beliefs that have converted much of the remaining Protestant establishment in American into a disastrous death cult? It’s complicated.

Christians have always believed that Jesus would one day return, but that belief started out vague, and grew steadily less important as this key event kept failing to occur. In first decades after Jesus’ crucifixion, the Apostle Paul believed that Jesus’ return was so imminent that people needn’t bother getting married. Naturally, that belief didn’t age well.

As time passed and Christians who initially thought themselves immune from death started dying, these young churches needed an explanation. New Testament writers offered a series of oblique pronouncements about an End of Days, but their attention gradually moved from the imminent return of someone who persistently failed to return, toward a focus on Heaven and the Afterlife.

One Biblical writer, influenced apparently by persecutions of Christians in the Second Century, wrote a psychedelic screed which came to be titled Revelation. To the extent that anyone can derive context or meaning from this rant, it seems to be directed squarely at the writer’s most hated targets, the Romans and the Jews.

In it Jesus is said to condemn the unbelieving Jews as the “Synagogue of Satan” and their future torments are described with sadistic color. It also imagines a series of exquisite horrors to be vengefully visited on its other main character, Rome, at the End of the World.

The Book of Revelation barely made it into our New Testament canon and the Christian belief in Jesus’s return faded into a minor element of the faith. Down through the centuries, End Times theology flared up in times of plague, disorder, or mayhem, but it remained the playground of religious zealots and outcasts, never developed with much interest by conventional theologians.

Ask an American evangelical today about Armageddon or the End of the World, and you’re likely to hear a story gleaned from popular literature that descends not from the early church or the Bible, but from the colorful imagination of a 19th century English cultist.

After being seriously injured in a fall from horse in 1827, lapsed cleric John Nelson Darby began to write down the theology God had revealed to him.

Most of his work was forgotten, and his teachings flopped entirely in Europe. However, one element of his cult mythology caught fire in the US, especially in the South. By crafting together bits and pieces of Biblical text like the disconnected words on refrigerator magnets, Darby invented a story of The End Times perfectly suited

for the needs of slaveholder religion in the South. It was called Dispensationalism.

continued

Ehh, you are a pagan. The End Times Tribulation or Time of Jacob's Trouble is for Israel's Repentance and to bring the remnant of Israel in to recognition and acceptance of Yeshua-Jesus as their Messiah.

It's 2nd fold purpose is to punish a Christ Rejecting humanity, and destroy human government and pour out The Wrath of God on The End Times Anti Christ Government, and then put an end to Evil, and establish The Millennial Kingdom of Christ on a Restored Earth.

Hal Lindsey only teaches what The Scriptures Say. And they say The Jews will suffer just as much if not more than all the other unbelievers on Earth during that time of the 7 year tribulation. 2/3rds of The Jews are killed, and only 1/3rd is saved at The End at Armageddon during Christ's return when The Jews "look upon Him whom they pierced". So how you can call 2/3rds of all Jews being slaughtered some kind of Zionism is beyond me.

70% of the World's population is wiped out in that 7 years, most of the water is poisoned, most of the fish die, 1/4 of all plant life get's burnt up, and 1/3rd of all ships are destroyed, and that is just the beginning of sorrows and curses such as The Earth has never seen.

Only The Church of Believers in Christ escape the wrath that is coming upon The Earth, and everyone else, including Jews endures God's Wrath.

The end times were the end of Temple Judaism. I'm not a pagan at all. Hal Linsey is a poor scholar, but he does base his theology on the beliefs of Cyrus Scofield who was a convicted felon and had no religious training.

The Tribulation was over in 70 AD and the new Jewish Christians fled to the mountains as Jesus told them to do. They fled Jerusalem for Pella and avoided the horrors or the tribulation.

Sorry, but you preach heresies and blasphemies, and are wrong and ignorant of prophecy. Daniel's prophecy of 490 years or 70 Week Years of 7s was accurate right until the end of the 69th week or 483 years when "Messiah would be cut off and have nothing for Himself" right down to the day it was accurate.

That means the that last 7 years determined upon Israel have been on hold since The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ. This represents The Church Age and Age of The Gentiles. When that age is over, and The Age of The Gentiles is Full, The Last 7 Years will begin.

Daniel was written by a group of Jews around 164 BC, during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes to offer hope and encouragement to the Jews.

Antiochus was terrible. he raised an idol in the Temple (the Abomination of Desolation) forbid circumcision.... all sorts of mean crap. This was also around the time of the Maccabean Revolt. The writers set the story in the Babylonian court..

Jesus referenced Daniel when he said, "when you see the Abomination of Desolation again flee to the mountains... and they did.

It's no skin off of my nose if you perish in your heresies. Hell was made for Lucifer (Allah) and his Demons, and you are welcome to join them on Judgment Day.

Even in your lies about The Book of Daniel, you cannot explain away that prophecy being accurate right down to The Day Jesus entered Jerusalem and was ultimately "cut off" like Daniel Foretold.

Ok, so I'm not the only one seeing the cheap Islamist pretense...

I'm Episcopalian. Allah is just Arabic for God.. Remember, most prophecy was written after the fact. You should probably study Daniel. Its reaction to Antiochus IV.. Do you even know who he was?

Allah means To Ascend.

 

[Indeependent]

I find it revealing that many religionists have a deep need to endlessly speculate WHEN the end times comes. The obsession that generates cults (David Koresh) and doomsday proclamations over the decades, the endless interpretations of a few lines in the book of revelations (often written in stupid and unnecessary riddles) the endless talk about the "rapture" indicating a deep seated need to believe in something.....

Why can't religionists just patiently wait quietly? leave out the silly speculations as their favorite messiah says no one knows the hour of his coming.....

Some "religionists" fulfill the duty of 'waiting',
others are more 'active'.

But it's of course not black and white, individuals are complex. And for a real "religionist", it seems these two paths should be seen, as serving the same purpose.

The 'End Times' is the End of Time - "Time No More" in Rev 10:6.

That throws christian's, atheists, and all cynics into a whirl.

You won't find me casting my pearls about what it means.

These terms are too messed up for me,
I think in Hebrew, we don't have this "end of time" thing.

There's a whole 1000 years of Messianic kingdom...what's after...c'mon it's always been eternity, the soul is eternal. 'End of time' seems an irrelevant play on words.

You wanna wait till the 'end of times' go for it...call me then, I'd like to know.
In the meantime we'll keep busy renewing prophecy, and all the other interesting stuff

There is the last 7 years of human history and human rule. That is The Tribulation or Time of Jacob's Trouble.

The Bema Judgment occurs (for believers works and faith). Then immediately after is the 1,000 Year Millennial Reign of Christ, and a short testing period at the end of the 1,000 years to see if there is anyone who still wants to follow Satan in the 2nd Gog and Magog War. Shockingly, people are crazy enough to fall for Satan's lies, and they still join in with him in one last rebellion after 1,000 years of peace. All those people and nations are incinerated.

Then comes the Final and last Judgment, and then The Earth and Heavens (2nd Heaven) is burnt up with fire, The Faithful Remnant are given Eternal Bodies, after the 2nd Gog Magog War, and The Earth is replaced with a New Earth and New Heaven and Eternity Begins.

Yawn...Malachi, the last of the Prophets, says Elijah will herald the coming of the one worthy of becoming a King.
That's why Christians never read an entire chapter one verse at a time; it doesn't fit the narrative.