Fast Food Workers Going On Strike

[Uncensored2008]

Well, they're doing a terrible job. American Workers have been getting the shit-end of the stick for many many years. It's time to reverse that awful trend. And btw, Businesses also receive Government protection.

Close the border.

End income and all direct taxation.

Place tariffs on all imported goods to fund the federal government.

You know, just like our nation was structured.

Do this, and wages will increase across the board. So will consumer costs, but the equity gap will lessen.

 

[paulitician]

They're not all just 'lazy & greedy.'

Where did he say they were?

Who's looking out for them?

You're kidding, right?
The state and federal bureaucracies that are dedicated to the protection of workers employ 10s of thousands and spend $10s of billions annually.

Well, they're doing a terrible job. American Workers have been getting the shit-end of the stick for many many years. It's time to reverse that awful trend. And btw, Businesses also receive Government protection.

Well, they're doing a terrible job.

So are you, your silly claims are falling right and left.

Businesses also receive Government protection.

Against workers? Name 3.

I stand by what i said. Those Federal bureaucracies haven't done squat to help American Workers. However, i do think Businesses have done pretty well sucking on that Government teat. They seem to always be begging for those Government handouts. I've noticed many pious preachy so-called 'Capitalists' sure do like Socialism just fine when it's them benefiting from Government handouts. Many of em are very quick to ridicule and condemn others for being 'lazy' or being 'Socialists.' But they sure do enjoy nibbling on that Government teat themselves.

 

[Oldstyle]

Well, i will say you do seem to be willing to see the whole picture. I have to give you credit there. Capitalism drives people to want and get more. That's what it's all about. Both Workers and Business Owners are trying to get more. One is no better than the other. You can't claim the workers are all just 'lazy & greedy' for wanting more for them and their families. But if you are gonna claim that, then at least be honest & consistent. Business Owners are doing the same thing. American Workers don't have too many looking out for them these days. If they don't stand up and fight for themselves, who's gonna do it?

I see the whole picture because I've been both an employee and an employer. Once again, I haven't accused workers of being "lazy and greedy". Some are...most aren't.

Years ago when I got my first job as a manager of a nightclub the owner sat me down and explained how he viewed things in that industry. He told me: "25% of the people you hire will never under any circumstances steal...25% of the people you hire will always steal no matter what you do...and the rest are watching to see how you handle the theft situation. Your job as a manager is to reward the ones that would never steal...fire the ones that always steal and make sure the other 50% understand what you're doing."

That's essentially the same business management model that Jack Welch espoused when he was running GE. He wanted the top 25% rewarded...and the bottom 25% fired. The message sent is that if you do the right things then you will be taken good care of and if you don't you will be looking for a new job.

What you can't seem to grasp, Paul is how valuable a good employee is. You make the statement that nobody's looking out for them and that's simply not true. Good employees are not only looked after...they are jealously guarded! The workers that are not "looked after" are the not so good employees...the ones that my old boss wanted me to get rid of and Jack Welch wanted fired. THOSE workers don't have anyone looking out for them unless they're in a union.

No offense, but you're painting too rosy a picture. American Workers have been used & abused for many years. The desire for Slave Labor has been devastating for them. That wonderful Global Economy has been anything but wonderful to them. I just don't see too many looking out for them. They're on their own. Slimy Politicians and Businesses really have screwed them. They've been left behind. They only have themselves now. If they want more, they'll have to fight for it themselves. So i'm not gonna sit around ridiculing and bashing them for doing that. They have to do what they have to do.

What is this whole "Slave Labor" thing you keep ranting about, Paul? I pay every single employee. C'mon...

As for the "Global Economy" not being wonderful for American workers? As with most things in nature...you need to adapt to changing circumstances or you will not prosper. My guess is that if it were up to you whalers operating out of Nantucket would still be going out to hunt whales for their oil and their jobs protected from those insidious bastards that discovered oil in the ground? Or can you understand that whole industries rise and fall and work forces are made obsolete...and that it's a natural part of the process?

Right now we've got an information revolution taking place where digital is replacing the printed word...and video stores are going the way of the mammoth as people stream videos on line. I'm sorry but if you've been clerking at a Blockbuster you're as obsolete as whale oil. The one thing about capitalism is that it is brutally effective at "culling the herd".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, they're doing a terrible job. American Workers have been getting the shit-end of the stick for many many years. It's time to reverse that awful trend. And btw, Businesses also receive Government protection.

Well, they're doing a terrible job.

So are you, your silly claims are falling right and left.

Businesses also receive Government protection.

Against workers? Name 3.

I stand by what i said. Those Federal bureaucracies haven't done squat to help American Workers. However, i do think Businesses have done pretty well sucking on that Government teat. They seem to always be begging for those Government handouts. I've noticed many pious preachy so-called 'Capitalists' sure do like Socialism just fine when it's them benefiting from Government handouts. Many of em are very quick to ridicule and condemn others for being 'lazy' or being 'Socialists.' But they sure do enjoy nibbling on that Government teat themselves.

I stand by what i said.

Yes, you're very persistent in your errors.

Those Federal bureaucracies haven't done squat to help American Workers.

Government wasted hundreds of billions and got poor results? You're shitting me!

They seem to always be begging for those Government handouts.

Yeah, I'm against corporate handouts too.

So you don't have 3 examples for me?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I see the whole picture because I've been both an employee and an employer. Once again, I haven't accused workers of being "lazy and greedy". Some are...most aren't.

Years ago when I got my first job as a manager of a nightclub the owner sat me down and explained how he viewed things in that industry. He told me: "25% of the people you hire will never under any circumstances steal...25% of the people you hire will always steal no matter what you do...and the rest are watching to see how you handle the theft situation. Your job as a manager is to reward the ones that would never steal...fire the ones that always steal and make sure the other 50% understand what you're doing."

That's essentially the same business management model that Jack Welch espoused when he was running GE. He wanted the top 25% rewarded...and the bottom 25% fired. The message sent is that if you do the right things then you will be taken good care of and if you don't you will be looking for a new job.

What you can't seem to grasp, Paul is how valuable a good employee is. You make the statement that nobody's looking out for them and that's simply not true. Good employees are not only looked after...they are jealously guarded! The workers that are not "looked after" are the not so good employees...the ones that my old boss wanted me to get rid of and Jack Welch wanted fired. THOSE workers don't have anyone looking out for them unless they're in a union.

No offense, but you're painting too rosy a picture. American Workers have been used & abused for many years. The desire for Slave Labor has been devastating for them. That wonderful Global Economy has been anything but wonderful to them. I just don't see too many looking out for them. They're on their own. Slimy Politicians and Businesses really have screwed them. They've been left behind. They only have themselves now. If they want more, they'll have to fight for it themselves. So i'm not gonna sit around ridiculing and bashing them for doing that. They have to do what they have to do.

What is this whole "Slave Labor" thing you keep ranting about, Paul? I pay every single employee. C'mon...

As for the "Global Economy" not being wonderful for American workers? As with most things in nature...you need to adapt to changing circumstances or you will not prosper. My guess is that if it were up to you whalers operating out of Nantucket would still be going out to hunt whales for their oil and their jobs protected from those insidious bastards that discovered oil in the ground? Or can you understand that whole industries rise and fall and work forces are made obsolete...and that it's a natural part of the process?

Right now we've got an information revolution taking place where digital is replacing the printed word...and video stores are going the way of the mammoth as people stream videos on line. I'm sorry but if you've been clerking at a Blockbuster you're as obsolete as whale oil. The one thing about capitalism is that it is brutally effective at "culling the herd".

My guess is that if it were up to you whalers operating out of Nantucket would still be going out to hunt whales for their oil and their jobs protected from those insidious bastards that discovered oil in the ground?

Big oil lover! I'll bet you love turning your lights on at night, you heartless bastard!

 

[paulitician]

I see the whole picture because I've been both an employee and an employer. Once again, I haven't accused workers of being "lazy and greedy". Some are...most aren't.

Years ago when I got my first job as a manager of a nightclub the owner sat me down and explained how he viewed things in that industry. He told me: "25% of the people you hire will never under any circumstances steal...25% of the people you hire will always steal no matter what you do...and the rest are watching to see how you handle the theft situation. Your job as a manager is to reward the ones that would never steal...fire the ones that always steal and make sure the other 50% understand what you're doing."

That's essentially the same business management model that Jack Welch espoused when he was running GE. He wanted the top 25% rewarded...and the bottom 25% fired. The message sent is that if you do the right things then you will be taken good care of and if you don't you will be looking for a new job.

What you can't seem to grasp, Paul is how valuable a good employee is. You make the statement that nobody's looking out for them and that's simply not true. Good employees are not only looked after...they are jealously guarded! The workers that are not "looked after" are the not so good employees...the ones that my old boss wanted me to get rid of and Jack Welch wanted fired. THOSE workers don't have anyone looking out for them unless they're in a union.

No offense, but you're painting too rosy a picture. American Workers have been used & abused for many years. The desire for Slave Labor has been devastating for them. That wonderful Global Economy has been anything but wonderful to them. I just don't see too many looking out for them. They're on their own. Slimy Politicians and Businesses really have screwed them. They've been left behind. They only have themselves now. If they want more, they'll have to fight for it themselves. So i'm not gonna sit around ridiculing and bashing them for doing that. They have to do what they have to do.

What is this whole "Slave Labor" thing you keep ranting about, Paul? I pay every single employee. C'mon...

As for the "Global Economy" not being wonderful for American workers? As with most things in nature...you need to adapt to changing circumstances or you will not prosper. My guess is that if it were up to you whalers operating out of Nantucket would still be going out to hunt whales for their oil and their jobs protected from those insidious bastards that discovered oil in the ground? Or can you understand that whole industries rise and fall and work forces are made obsolete...and that it's a natural part of the process?

Right now we've got an information revolution taking place where digital is replacing the printed word...and video stores are going the way of the mammoth as people stream videos on line. I'm sorry but if you've been clerking at a Blockbuster you're as obsolete as whale oil. The one thing about capitalism is that it is brutally effective at "culling the herd".

American Workers really have been screwed the last couple of decades. The quest for Slave Labor has driven wages down significantly. I find it hard to fathom how anyone could deny that reality. Those who are choosing to ignore the reality, are only contributing to the possibility of a future Slave Revolt. The Slaves are becoming more & more restless. Make no mistake about that.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Well, they're doing a terrible job. American Workers have been getting the shit-end of the stick for many many years. It's time to reverse that awful trend. And btw, Businesses also receive Government protection.

Well, they're doing a terrible job.

So are you, your silly claims are falling right and left.

Businesses also receive Government protection.

Against workers? Name 3.

I stand by what i said. Those Federal bureaucracies haven't done squat to help American Workers. However, i do think Businesses have done pretty well sucking on that Government teat. They seem to always be begging for those Government handouts. I've noticed many pious preachy so-called 'Capitalists' sure do like Socialism just fine when it's them benefiting from Government handouts. Many of em are very quick to ridicule and condemn others for being 'lazy' or being 'Socialists.' But they sure do enjoy nibbling on that Government teat themselves.

Do you still work? what field are you in? just curious, because over the past 30 years in manufacturing I have witnessed a change in boss's/owners attidude toward workers cconcerns, small bussiness like us and always trying to get us involved. The workers? not so much always have a bad apple/ cancer on the company.

 

[paulitician]

Well, they're doing a terrible job.

So are you, your silly claims are falling right and left.

Businesses also receive Government protection.

Against workers? Name 3.

I stand by what i said. Those Federal bureaucracies haven't done squat to help American Workers. However, i do think Businesses have done pretty well sucking on that Government teat. They seem to always be begging for those Government handouts. I've noticed many pious preachy so-called 'Capitalists' sure do like Socialism just fine when it's them benefiting from Government handouts. Many of em are very quick to ridicule and condemn others for being 'lazy' or being 'Socialists.' But they sure do enjoy nibbling on that Government teat themselves.

I stand by what i said.

Yes, you're very persistent in your errors.

Those Federal bureaucracies haven't done squat to help American Workers.

Government wasted hundreds of billions and got poor results? You're shitting me!

They seem to always be begging for those Government handouts.

Yeah, I'm against corporate handouts too.

So you don't have 3 examples for me?

Do you have a point? Why do you focus your contempt only on Workers? Businesses seem to be begging for Government handouts all the time. I just don't see the same hostile contempt being expressed by all you supposed 'Good Capitalists.'

 

[Wyatt earp]

anyways I stay way clear of big companys or Unions, but those of us that work for small bussiness owners know what they are worth and know what they can afford through the grape vine or the net.

 

[paulitician]

anyways I stay way clear of big companys or Unions, but those of us that work for small bussiness owners know what they are worth and know what they can afford through the grape vine or the net.

It's between the Businesses and their Workers. They have to work it out. Workers should be allowed to sit at the table. They're a vital part of the Capitalism picture.

 

[Wyatt earp]

anyways I stay way clear of big companys or Unions, but those of us that work for small bussiness owners know what they are worth and know what they can afford through the grape vine or the net.

It's between the Businesses and their Workers. They have to work it out. Workers should be allowed to sit at the table. They're a vital part of the Capitalist picture.

Guess you dont want to answer my question, Yea big companys you're just a number, no one gives a rat ass about you. Your boss might but not his/her boss or frickin H.R. dont care. I was surprised to learn in the 90's that at one company I worked at the HR made over $100,000 a year. for what?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I stand by what i said. Those Federal bureaucracies haven't done squat to help American Workers. However, i do think Businesses have done pretty well sucking on that Government teat. They seem to always be begging for those Government handouts. I've noticed many pious preachy so-called 'Capitalists' sure do like Socialism just fine when it's them benefiting from Government handouts. Many of em are very quick to ridicule and condemn others for being 'lazy' or being 'Socialists.' But they sure do enjoy nibbling on that Government teat themselves.

I stand by what i said.

Yes, you're very persistent in your errors.

Those Federal bureaucracies haven't done squat to help American Workers.

Government wasted hundreds of billions and got poor results? You're shitting me!

They seem to always be begging for those Government handouts.

Yeah, I'm against corporate handouts too.

So you don't have 3 examples for me?

Do you have a point? Why do you focus your contempt only on Workers? Businesses seem to be begging for Government handouts all the time. I just don't see the same hostile contempt being expressed by all you supposed 'Good Capitalists.'

Do you have a point?

Yes. You say silly things and I'm pointing them out.

Why do you focus your contempt only on Workers?

I'm just focused on your silly claims.

I just don't see the same hostile contempt being expressed by all you supposed 'Good Capitalists'

I save my contempt for big government and its liberal supporters.

 

[TheSeventhTiger]

and what is with those cheeseburgers that are 90% Bread, 10% Beef? I got one of those once, I thought I got the wrong order!

 

[paulitician]

I stand by what i said.

Yes, you're very persistent in your errors.

Those Federal bureaucracies haven't done squat to help American Workers.

Government wasted hundreds of billions and got poor results? You're shitting me!

They seem to always be begging for those Government handouts.

Yeah, I'm against corporate handouts too.

So you don't have 3 examples for me?

Do you have a point? Why do you focus your contempt only on Workers? Businesses seem to be begging for Government handouts all the time. I just don't see the same hostile contempt being expressed by all you supposed 'Good Capitalists.'

Do you have a point?

Yes. You say silly things and I'm pointing them out.

Why do you focus your contempt only on Workers?

I'm just focused on your silly claims.

I just don't see the same hostile contempt being expressed by all you supposed 'Good Capitalists'

I save my contempt for big government and its liberal supporters.

Good for you. I look forward to observing your honesty and consistency on that. However, you still haven't made a point.

 

[paulitician]

and what is with those cheeseburgers that are 90% Bread, 10% Beef? I got one of those once, I thought I got the wrong order!

Paying their greedy Workers too much. Can't afford the beef. It's all those dreaded Workers' fault. It always is.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Do you have a point? Why do you focus your contempt only on Workers? Businesses seem to be begging for Government handouts all the time. I just don't see the same hostile contempt being expressed by all you supposed 'Good Capitalists.'

Do you have a point?

Yes. You say silly things and I'm pointing them out.

Why do you focus your contempt only on Workers?

I'm just focused on your silly claims.

I just don't see the same hostile contempt being expressed by all you supposed 'Good Capitalists'

I save my contempt for big government and its liberal supporters.

Good for you. I look forward to observing your honesty and consistency on that. However, you still haven't made a point.

You made many silly claims, I and others have pointed them out.
That's my point.
Now say American workers are like slaves, again.
That one never gets old.

 

[Friends]

American Workers really have been screwed the last couple of decades. The quest for Slave Labor has driven wages down significantly. I find it hard to fathom how anyone could deny that reality. Those who are choosing to ignore the reality, are only contributing to the possibility of a future Slave Revolt. The Slaves are becoming more & more restless. Make no mistake about that.

During the twenty-first century the standard of living for most Americans has declined, while the rich have gotten richer.

There have been periods of growing economic inequality before. I am thinking mainly of the last quarter of the nineteenth century, and the 1920's. However, back then most people advanced somewhat.

An economy where the rich get richer, while the middle class sinks into the proletariat does not create a healthy society. A genuine conservative, and not someone whose concerns are limited to hating taxes and gun control laws, should find the trend of the U.S. economy alarming.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Do you have a point?

Yes. You say silly things and I'm pointing them out.

Why do you focus your contempt only on Workers?

I'm just focused on your silly claims.

I just don't see the same hostile contempt being expressed by all you supposed 'Good Capitalists'

I save my contempt for big government and its liberal supporters.

Good for you. I look forward to observing your honesty and consistency on that. However, you still haven't made a point.

You made many silly claims, I and others have pointed them out.
That's my point.
Now say American workers are like slaves, again.
That one never gets old.

I dont get this either, if anything folks became slaves to the government instead of big companys, everyone is running around voting for free stuff, I dont get why they dont want to work and live in poverty.

 

[paulitician]

Do you have a point?

Yes. You say silly things and I'm pointing them out.

Why do you focus your contempt only on Workers?

I'm just focused on your silly claims.

I just don't see the same hostile contempt being expressed by all you supposed 'Good Capitalists'

I save my contempt for big government and its liberal supporters.

Good for you. I look forward to observing your honesty and consistency on that. However, you still haven't made a point.

You made many silly claims, I and others have pointed them out.
That's my point.
Now say American workers are like slaves, again.
That one never gets old.

What specific claim are you disputing. I never claimed American Workers are Slaves. However, i am claiming many American Businesses and Politicians are working hard to achieve that goal. And American Workers don't have to roll over and oblige. They have every right to fight for more for themselves and their families.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Good for you. I look forward to observing your honesty and consistency on that. However, you still haven't made a point.

You made many silly claims, I and others have pointed them out.
That's my point.
Now say American workers are like slaves, again.
That one never gets old.

What specific claim are you disputing. I never claimed American Workers are Slaves. However, i am claiming many American Businesses and Politicians are working hard to achieve that goal. And American Workers don't have to roll over and oblige. They have every right to fight for more for themselves and their families.

The specific claims I disputed all over this thread. Take a look.
They're all over the place.