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S-400 missiles can hit targets 400 kilometers away. No fighter jets can fire missiles 400 kilometers away.

Stealth is the only sophisticated feature that will save F-35 jets from Russian S-400 missiles. Many countries are buying S-400s when many countries are buying F-35 stealth jets.
S-400 missiles can hit targets 400 kilometers away. No fighter jets can fire missiles 400 kilometers away.

Stealth is the only sophisticated feature that will save F-35 jets from Russian S-400 missiles. Many countries are buying S-400s when many countries are buying F-35 stealth jets.
Range is important, but not the only factor.

ECM (Electronic Counter Measures) vs ECCM (Electronic Counter-Counter Measures) is far more important.

Tactics, stealth, and cyber-attacks also factor highly.
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Thats mean, that you use not MLRS only, but a whole armored group (including, of course, tanks). And if you are already using an armored group with the tanks, there is no any seriose reason to stop it in forty miles from your goal and launch rockets by unknown direction. And yes, even if you will succesfuly hit all their positions by rockets - you need to be ensured in their elimination. So - it is good to send tanks anyway.
Ummmm no.

I wouldn't need an armored group of tanks to protect long range artillery assets, infantry would be fine. What you're doing is taking your silly conclusions about tanks and desperately trying to make it fit some scenario. All I'd need is the location of their search radars which along with any jamming equipment would be easiest to geolocate since constantly emitting, take out the search radar and a lot of other pieces become relatively useless.


Second: look at this picture and say, that you don't see unguided bombs on it:
That picture is from years ago showing what weapons could potentially fit internally and externally by size and weight, not a blueprint to what would actually be implemented. This is so old it shows SDB as a weapon under development, and cluster munitions US no longer uses.

Currently this is no unguided weapon that can be delivered by F-35 besides a 25mm round from the gun, and there are no plans to implement any unguided weapons for F-35.

Yes, they are not sertificated yet, but you can use them for your own risk. As far as I know, our F-35A use UGBs for terrain denial operations in Iraq.
Nonsense. F-35 uses UAI, any weapon that hasn't been certified and implemented in the UAI wouldn't show as an option at a given station in the cockpit and cannot be delivered. You claim about F-35As using unguided bombs in Iraq is complete bullshit. I'd love to see your source on this, you're saying that for some reason with all the 4th gen assets available in Iraq the USAF decided to work around the very strict weapons certification and software requirements of F-35s to use them to drop dumb bombs they weren't designed to drop. It's so stupid it's funny.

Third: The Paveway IV will be almost unguided in a frontal attack against S-400, because if F-35 see and can mark position of S-400, then S-400 clearly see F-35 and can shoot it down. So, only INS, only hardcore.
Fourth: Yes, Brits try to make "SPEAR Cap 3" specially against S-400, but it will be integrated with Block 4 not earlier than in 2024, and, looks like, it will be even less useful than SDB-2.
You're making assumptions about what S-400 in wartime situation with standoff/standin/escort jamming, decoys flying in, antiradiation missiles being launched at radiation sources, about whether they can see stealth aircraft, and assumptions that GPS jammers are immune to attack to prevent Paveway 4 from using GPS, and making assumptions about the utility of Spear that are unfounded. Real world isn't some uncluttered environment where radar

Basically you claimed F-35B can only carry unguided weapons, and when pointed out how stupid this statement was you're dreaming up all these reasons that make a guided weapon like Paveway 4 not a guided weapon because you believe in the hype about invincibility of S-400.
 
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Good luck trying to make sense with someone who actually believes the effective range of S-400 is 400 kilometers.

Maybe a large blind high flying non-maneuvering target like an airliner? Effective range is affected greatly by aircraft that can detect launches, maneuver, and curvature of the earth. Lobbing one of their longest range missiles at a radar blip 400km away is a nice way to waste a lot of money.
 
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Good luck trying to make sense with someone who actually believes the effective range of S-400 is 400 kilometers.

Maybe a large blind high flying non-maneuvering target like an airliner? Effective range is affected greatly by aircraft that can detect launches, maneuver, and curvature of the earth. Lobbing one of their longest range missiles at a radar blip 400km away is a nice way to waste a lot of money.
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Why do you think that Russian S-300 tried to protect Iranian proxies from IAF at all? F-16 is not stealth, and their strikes are coordinated with the Russians.
 

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Nonsense. F-35 uses UAI, any weapon that hasn't been certified and implemented in the UAI wouldn't show as an option at a given station in the cockpit and cannot be delivered.
UAI show it as an error, but BRU-67,68 (or Scorpion ERU as well) still hold it, until it is dropped by a selective jettison. And if you armed your Mk-83s with the mechanical fuses M904, M905 and MAU-182 Ring and Swivel Assemblies, it can even blast.
It's America, bro. A dollar saved is two dollars earned.

You claim about F-35As using unguided bombs in Iraq is complete bullshit. I'd love to see your source on this, you're saying that for some reason with all the 4th gen assets available in Iraq the USAF decided to work around the very strict weapons certification and software requirements of F-35s to use them to drop dumb bombs they weren't designed to drop. It's so stupid it's funny.
Just speak with people, it is not a big secret. Sure, officially they will denie it, but isn't wasting PGMs for a terrain denial mission even more stupid?

Third: The Paveway IV will be almost unguided in a frontal attack against S-400, because if F-35 see and can mark position of S-400, then S-400 clearly see F-35 and can shoot it down. So, only INS, only hardcore.
Fourth: Yes, Brits try to make "SPEAR Cap 3" specially against S-400, but it will be integrated with Block 4 not earlier than in 2024, and, looks like, it will be even less useful than SDB-2.
You're making assumptions about what S-400 in wartime situation with standoff/standin/escort jamming, decoys flying in, antiradiation missiles being launched at radiation sources, about whether they can see stealth aircraft, and assumptions that GPS jammers are immune to attack to prevent Paveway 4 from using GPS, and making assumptions about the utility of Spear that are unfounded. Real world isn't some uncluttered environment where radar
Don't forget, that we are discussing about an abstract situation "The Best S-400 Operator Against The Worst F-35 Operator".
GPS-jammers are almost immune from Paveway IV strike because of a simple reason - they are covered with S-400 and AAA. To drop the bomb, F-35 needs to came too close to SAM and AAA positions, and a bomb itself is a good target for Tunguskas.
And yes, don't forget that Tunguskas can try to hit your MLRS M-31 rockets as well.
 

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Good luck trying to make sense with someone who actually believes the effective range of S-400 is 400 kilometers.

Maybe a large blind high flying non-maneuvering target like an airliner? Effective range is affected greatly by aircraft that can detect launches, maneuver, and curvature of the earth. Lobbing one of their longest range missiles at a radar blip 400km away is a nice way to waste a lot of money.
my friend , he is paid troll from olgino, and banned one . + S-400 does not exist , "S-400" is a veneration of S-300

 

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Nonsense. F-35 uses UAI, any weapon that hasn't been certified and implemented in the UAI wouldn't show as an option at a given station in the cockpit and cannot be delivered.
UAI show it as an error, but BRU-67,68 (or Scorpion ERU as well) still hold it, until it is dropped by a selective jettison. And if you armed your Mk-83s with the mechanical fuses M904, M905 and MAU-182 Ring and Swivel Assemblies, it can even blast.
It's America, bro. A dollar saved is two dollars earned.

You claim about F-35As using unguided bombs in Iraq is complete bullshit. I'd love to see your source on this, you're saying that for some reason with all the 4th gen assets available in Iraq the USAF decided to work around the very strict weapons certification and software requirements of F-35s to use them to drop dumb bombs they weren't designed to drop. It's so stupid it's funny.
Just speak with people, it is not a big secret. Sure, officially they will denie it, but isn't wasting PGMs for a terrain denial mission even more stupid?

Third: The Paveway IV will be almost unguided in a frontal attack against S-400, because if F-35 see and can mark position of S-400, then S-400 clearly see F-35 and can shoot it down. So, only INS, only hardcore.
Fourth: Yes, Brits try to make "SPEAR Cap 3" specially against S-400, but it will be integrated with Block 4 not earlier than in 2024, and, looks like, it will be even less useful than SDB-2.
You're making assumptions about what S-400 in wartime situation with standoff/standin/escort jamming, decoys flying in, antiradiation missiles being launched at radiation sources, about whether they can see stealth aircraft, and assumptions that GPS jammers are immune to attack to prevent Paveway 4 from using GPS, and making assumptions about the utility of Spear that are unfounded. Real world isn't some uncluttered environment where radar
Don't forget, that we are discussing about an abstract situation "The Best S-400 Operator Against The Worst F-35 Operator".
GPS-jammers are almost immune from Paveway IV strike because of a simple reason - they are covered with S-400 and AAA. To drop the bomb, F-35 needs to came too close to SAM and AAA positions, and a bomb itself is a good target for Tunguskas.
And yes, don't forget that Tunguskas can try to hit your MLRS M-31 rockets as well.
There are NO Worst F-35 Pilots. All of them are the cream of the crop much like the F-22. They are handpicked from other fighters. Hate to break it to you but Larry, Mo and Curly won't be running the British Royal Air Force.
 

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Nonsense. F-35 uses UAI, any weapon that hasn't been certified and implemented in the UAI wouldn't show as an option at a given station in the cockpit and cannot be delivered.
UAI show it as an error, but BRU-67,68 (or Scorpion ERU as well) still hold it, until it is dropped by a selective jettison. And if you armed your Mk-83s with the mechanical fuses M904, M905 and MAU-182 Ring and Swivel Assemblies, it can even blast.
It's America, bro. A dollar saved is two dollars earned.

You claim about F-35As using unguided bombs in Iraq is complete bullshit. I'd love to see your source on this, you're saying that for some reason with all the 4th gen assets available in Iraq the USAF decided to work around the very strict weapons certification and software requirements of F-35s to use them to drop dumb bombs they weren't designed to drop. It's so stupid it's funny.
Just speak with people, it is not a big secret. Sure, officially they will denie it, but isn't wasting PGMs for a terrain denial mission even more stupid?

Third: The Paveway IV will be almost unguided in a frontal attack against S-400, because if F-35 see and can mark position of S-400, then S-400 clearly see F-35 and can shoot it down. So, only INS, only hardcore.
Fourth: Yes, Brits try to make "SPEAR Cap 3" specially against S-400, but it will be integrated with Block 4 not earlier than in 2024, and, looks like, it will be even less useful than SDB-2.
You're making assumptions about what S-400 in wartime situation with standoff/standin/escort jamming, decoys flying in, antiradiation missiles being launched at radiation sources, about whether they can see stealth aircraft, and assumptions that GPS jammers are immune to attack to prevent Paveway 4 from using GPS, and making assumptions about the utility of Spear that are unfounded. Real world isn't some uncluttered environment where radar
Don't forget, that we are discussing about an abstract situation "The Best S-400 Operator Against The Worst F-35 Operator".
GPS-jammers are almost immune from Paveway IV strike because of a simple reason - they are covered with S-400 and AAA. To drop the bomb, F-35 needs to came too close to SAM and AAA positions, and a bomb itself is a good target for Tunguskas.
And yes, don't forget that Tunguskas can try to hit your MLRS M-31 rockets as well.
There are NO Worst F-35 Pilots. All of them are the cream of the crop much like the F-22. They are handpicked from other fighters. Hate to break it to you but Larry, Mo and Curly won't be running the British Royal Air Force.
I do not believe that. There are pilots better then others.
 

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There are NO Worst F-35 Pilots. All of them are the cream of the crop much like the F-22. They are handpicked from other fighters. Hate to break it to you but Larry, Mo and Curly won't be running the British Royal Air Force.
First, the best fighters from US Air Force much better than the best RAF pilots, at least because USA have much more pilots and they have much more practice. And yes, Brits are Brits (stupid, ignorant and hardly trainable).
And I said "worst operators" not "pilots". RAF don't have enough jets, ordnance, UAVs, satellites, etc...
"US Air Force vs RAAN militia's Chines S-400" would be a much more short and simple story.
 

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Russia's S-300 didn't stop Israeli from airstrikes on Iran in ...

16 jan. 2019 - Russia's air defenses can't stop Israel from stomping on Iran in Syria with airstrikes ... Israel rarely confirms individual airstrikes, and either confirmed or didn't deny these attacks. ... shooting down a friendly plane and quickly shipped the more advanced S-300 missile defenses to ... Tech Jobs · C-Level Jobs.
Why do you think that Russian S-300 tried to protect Iranian proxies from IAF at all? F-16 is not stealth, and their strikes are coordinated with the Russians.
"Russian S-300 tried to protect Iranian proxies from IAF at all? F-16 is not stealth, and their strikes are coordinated with the Russians."

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Good luck trying to make sense with someone who actually believes the effective range of S-400 is 400 kilometers.

Maybe a large blind high flying non-maneuvering target like an airliner? Effective range is affected greatly by aircraft that can detect launches, maneuver, and curvature of the earth. Lobbing one of their longest range missiles at a radar blip 400km away is a nice way to waste a lot of money.
my friend , he is paid troll from olgino, and banned one . + S-400 does not exist , "S-400" is a veneration of S-300


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There are NO Worst F-35 Pilots. All of them are the cream of the crop much like the F-22. They are handpicked from other fighters. Hate to break it to you but Larry, Mo and Curly won't be running the British Royal Air Force.
First, the best fighters from US Air Force much better than the best RAF pilots, at least because USA have much more pilots and they have much more practice. And yes, Brits are Brits (stupid, ignorant and hardly trainable).
And I said "worst operators" not "pilots". RAF don't have enough jets, ordnance, UAVs, satellites, etc...
"US Air Force vs RAAN militia's Chines S-400" would be a much more short and simple story.
Again, if you want an Air Force ran by Mo, Larry and Curly, you would have to look at the Iranian Air Force and I doubt if they are going to have any F-35s. Then you would have to talk them into attacking themselves. Maybe we could pay them. What a concept.
 

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Nonsense. F-35 uses UAI, any weapon that hasn't been certified and implemented in the UAI wouldn't show as an option at a given station in the cockpit and cannot be delivered.
UAI show it as an error, but BRU-67,68 (or Scorpion ERU as well) still hold it, until it is dropped by a selective jettison. And if you armed your Mk-83s with the mechanical fuses M904, M905 and MAU-182 Ring and Swivel Assemblies, it can even blast.
It's America, bro. A dollar saved is two dollars earned.

You claim about F-35As using unguided bombs in Iraq is complete bullshit. I'd love to see your source on this, you're saying that for some reason with all the 4th gen assets available in Iraq the USAF decided to work around the very strict weapons certification and software requirements of F-35s to use them to drop dumb bombs they weren't designed to drop. It's so stupid it's funny.
Just speak with people, it is not a big secret. Sure, officially they will denie it, but isn't wasting PGMs for a terrain denial mission even more stupid?

Third: The Paveway IV will be almost unguided in a frontal attack against S-400, because if F-35 see and can mark position of S-400, then S-400 clearly see F-35 and can shoot it down. So, only INS, only hardcore.
Fourth: Yes, Brits try to make "SPEAR Cap 3" specially against S-400, but it will be integrated with Block 4 not earlier than in 2024, and, looks like, it will be even less useful than SDB-2.
You're making assumptions about what S-400 in wartime situation with standoff/standin/escort jamming, decoys flying in, antiradiation missiles being launched at radiation sources, about whether they can see stealth aircraft, and assumptions that GPS jammers are immune to attack to prevent Paveway 4 from using GPS, and making assumptions about the utility of Spear that are unfounded. Real world isn't some uncluttered environment where radar
Don't forget, that we are discussing about an abstract situation "The Best S-400 Operator Against The Worst F-35 Operator".
GPS-jammers are almost immune from Paveway IV strike because of a simple reason - they are covered with S-400 and AAA. To drop the bomb, F-35 needs to came too close to SAM and AAA positions, and a bomb itself is a good target for Tunguskas.
And yes, don't forget that Tunguskas can try to hit your MLRS M-31 rockets as well.
There are NO Worst F-35 Pilots. All of them are the cream of the crop much like the F-22. They are handpicked from other fighters. Hate to break it to you but Larry, Mo and Curly won't be running the British Royal Air Force.
I do not believe that. There are pilots better then others.
There are no NEW pilots flying the F-35 ANYWHERE. All are high time pilots which equates to a high degree of skill level. They are hand picked from other Fighter Units. There are NO "WORST" F-35 pilots.
 

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Nonsense. F-35 uses UAI, any weapon that hasn't been certified and implemented in the UAI wouldn't show as an option at a given station in the cockpit and cannot be delivered.
UAI show it as an error, but BRU-67,68 (or Scorpion ERU as well) still hold it, until it is dropped by a selective jettison. And if you armed your Mk-83s with the mechanical fuses M904, M905 and MAU-182 Ring and Swivel Assemblies, it can even blast.
It's America, bro. A dollar saved is two dollars earned.

You claim about F-35As using unguided bombs in Iraq is complete bullshit. I'd love to see your source on this, you're saying that for some reason with all the 4th gen assets available in Iraq the USAF decided to work around the very strict weapons certification and software requirements of F-35s to use them to drop dumb bombs they weren't designed to drop. It's so stupid it's funny.
Just speak with people, it is not a big secret. Sure, officially they will denie it, but isn't wasting PGMs for a terrain denial mission even more stupid?

Third: The Paveway IV will be almost unguided in a frontal attack against S-400, because if F-35 see and can mark position of S-400, then S-400 clearly see F-35 and can shoot it down. So, only INS, only hardcore.
Fourth: Yes, Brits try to make "SPEAR Cap 3" specially against S-400, but it will be integrated with Block 4 not earlier than in 2024, and, looks like, it will be even less useful than SDB-2.
You're making assumptions about what S-400 in wartime situation with standoff/standin/escort jamming, decoys flying in, antiradiation missiles being launched at radiation sources, about whether they can see stealth aircraft, and assumptions that GPS jammers are immune to attack to prevent Paveway 4 from using GPS, and making assumptions about the utility of Spear that are unfounded. Real world isn't some uncluttered environment where radar
Don't forget, that we are discussing about an abstract situation "The Best S-400 Operator Against The Worst F-35 Operator".
GPS-jammers are almost immune from Paveway IV strike because of a simple reason - they are covered with S-400 and AAA. To drop the bomb, F-35 needs to came too close to SAM and AAA positions, and a bomb itself is a good target for Tunguskas.
And yes, don't forget that Tunguskas can try to hit your MLRS M-31 rockets as well.
There are NO Worst F-35 Pilots. All of them are the cream of the crop much like the F-22. They are handpicked from other fighters. Hate to break it to you but Larry, Mo and Curly won't be running the British Royal Air Force.
I do not believe that. There are pilots better then others.
There are no NEW pilots flying the F-35 ANYWHERE. All are high time pilots which equates to a high degree of skill level. They are hand picked from other Fighter Units. There are NO "WORST" F-35 pilots.
OK. Every professional sportsman is a high time athlete which equates to a high degree of skill level. But some of them are winners and some of them are losers. Why? Because some of them are better than others.
Some of them have the better abilities, some of them have better health, some of them use better drugs, some are better trained.
American F-35 pilots bomb real targets in Iraq and Syria, British ones just "demonstrate flag". Who have better bombing practice?
 

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Good luck trying to make sense with someone who actually believes the effective range of S-400 is 400 kilometers.

Maybe a large blind high flying non-maneuvering target like an airliner? Effective range is affected greatly by aircraft that can detect launches, maneuver, and curvature of the earth. Lobbing one of their longest range missiles at a radar blip 400km away is a nice way to waste a lot of money.
my friend , he is paid troll from olgino, and banned one . + S-400 does not exist , "S-400" is a veneration of S-300


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First of all, I'm not Russian, I'm American.
Second: I'm not troll.
Third: Your nickname is one of Slavic forms for "Lithuanian", which is often used by those of White Russians, who pretend to be political heirs of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Jemaitija and Russia, a competitor of the Grand Duchy of Moscow and the Kingdom of Poland in the gathering of Russian lands.
Fourth: you tried to cause an emotion reaction to your words.

Are you a Russian troll?
 

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Nonsense. F-35 uses UAI, any weapon that hasn't been certified and implemented in the UAI wouldn't show as an option at a given station in the cockpit and cannot be delivered.
UAI show it as an error, but BRU-67,68 (or Scorpion ERU as well) still hold it, until it is dropped by a selective jettison. And if you armed your Mk-83s with the mechanical fuses M904, M905 and MAU-182 Ring and Swivel Assemblies, it can even blast.
It's America, bro. A dollar saved is two dollars earned.

You claim about F-35As using unguided bombs in Iraq is complete bullshit. I'd love to see your source on this, you're saying that for some reason with all the 4th gen assets available in Iraq the USAF decided to work around the very strict weapons certification and software requirements of F-35s to use them to drop dumb bombs they weren't designed to drop. It's so stupid it's funny.
Just speak with people, it is not a big secret. Sure, officially they will denie it, but isn't wasting PGMs for a terrain denial mission even more stupid?

You're making assumptions about what S-400 in wartime situation with standoff/standin/escort jamming, decoys flying in, antiradiation missiles being launched at radiation sources, about whether they can see stealth aircraft, and assumptions that GPS jammers are immune to attack to prevent Paveway 4 from using GPS, and making assumptions about the utility of Spear that are unfounded. Real world isn't some uncluttered environment where radar
Don't forget, that we are discussing about an abstract situation "The Best S-400 Operator Against The Worst F-35 Operator".
GPS-jammers are almost immune from Paveway IV strike because of a simple reason - they are covered with S-400 and AAA. To drop the bomb, F-35 needs to came too close to SAM and AAA positions, and a bomb itself is a good target for Tunguskas.
And yes, don't forget that Tunguskas can try to hit your MLRS M-31 rockets as well.
There are NO Worst F-35 Pilots. All of them are the cream of the crop much like the F-22. They are handpicked from other fighters. Hate to break it to you but Larry, Mo and Curly won't be running the British Royal Air Force.
I do not believe that. There are pilots better then others.
There are no NEW pilots flying the F-35 ANYWHERE. All are high time pilots which equates to a high degree of skill level. They are hand picked from other Fighter Units. There are NO "WORST" F-35 pilots.
OK. Every professional sportsman is a high time athlete which equates to a high degree of skill level. But some of them are winners and some of them are losers. Why? Because some of them are better than others.
Some of them have the better abilities, some of them have better health, some of them use better drugs, some are better trained.
American F-35 pilots bomb real targets in Iraq and Syria, British ones just "demonstrate flag". Who have better bombing practice?
"F-35 pilots bomb real targets in Iraq and Syria, British ones just "demonstrate flag"" i thought British pilots have done some job in Iraq ? am i wrong ?
 

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UAI show it as an error, but BRU-67,68 (or Scorpion ERU as well) still hold it, until it is dropped by a selective jettison. And if you armed your Mk-83s with the mechanical fuses M904, M905 and MAU-182 Ring and Swivel Assemblies, it can even blast.
It's America, bro. A dollar saved is two dollars earned.

Just speak with people, it is not a big secret. Sure, officially they will denie it, but isn't wasting PGMs for a terrain denial mission even more stupid?

Don't forget, that we are discussing about an abstract situation "The Best S-400 Operator Against The Worst F-35 Operator".
GPS-jammers are almost immune from Paveway IV strike because of a simple reason - they are covered with S-400 and AAA. To drop the bomb, F-35 needs to came too close to SAM and AAA positions, and a bomb itself is a good target for Tunguskas.
And yes, don't forget that Tunguskas can try to hit your MLRS M-31 rockets as well.
There are NO Worst F-35 Pilots. All of them are the cream of the crop much like the F-22. They are handpicked from other fighters. Hate to break it to you but Larry, Mo and Curly won't be running the British Royal Air Force.
I do not believe that. There are pilots better then others.
There are no NEW pilots flying the F-35 ANYWHERE. All are high time pilots which equates to a high degree of skill level. They are hand picked from other Fighter Units. There are NO "WORST" F-35 pilots.
OK. Every professional sportsman is a high time athlete which equates to a high degree of skill level. But some of them are winners and some of them are losers. Why? Because some of them are better than others.
Some of them have the better abilities, some of them have better health, some of them use better drugs, some are better trained.
American F-35 pilots bomb real targets in Iraq and Syria, British ones just "demonstrate flag". Who have better bombing practice?
"F-35 pilots bomb real targets in Iraq and Syria, British ones just "demonstrate flag"" i thought British pilots have done some job in Iraq ? am i wrong ?
They have but not using the F-35. So that means, the British does have skilled pilots to draw from for thier F-35s if the need arises.
 

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UAI show it as an error, but BRU-67,68 (or Scorpion ERU as well) still hold it, until it is dropped by a selective jettison. And if you armed your Mk-83s with the mechanical fuses M904, M905 and MAU-182 Ring and Swivel Assemblies, it can even blast.
Ahhh so you have intimate knowledge of how UAI works, how long have you been an F-35 pilot? You're making shit up, you know it, and everyone knows it.

Just speak with people, it is not a big secret. Sure, officially they will denie it, but isn't wasting PGMs for a terrain denial mission even more stupid?
No, the stupid isn't using dumb bombs for terrain denial it's the notion of using stealth fighters that aren't able to drop them, despite the majority of assets in that area are.

I guess it's also pretty stupid you're a grown man pretending to "speak with people" about some secret capabilities of F-35s flying in Iraq that you clearly cannot source. What are you 12?


Don't forget, that we are discussing about an abstract situation "The Best S-400 Operator Against The Worst F-35 Operator".
Nope. See thread title, it's F-35s versus S-400s. You are the one who will continue to pigeonhole the discussion hoping to get the results you want, I think you're almost at the point of declaring F-35s must be flown by pilots with vision issues and shaky hands.

GPS-jammers are almost immune from Paveway IV strike because of a simple reason - they are covered with S-400 and AAA. To drop the bomb, F-35 needs to came too close to SAM and AAA positions, and a bomb itself is a good target for Tunguskas.
And yes, don't forget that Tunguskas can try to hit your MLRS M-31 rockets as well.
Hah hah the old "immunity" schtick. There is no "too close" since you have no idea how close they can get in a jamming environment, and if GPS jammers are broadcasting they are the targets for HARMs, SDBs, etc. the worse place in a scenario involving F-35s would be something screeching RF nonstop since it'll be geolocated the biggest target.
 

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