Exploitation

[Eileen]

also you must keep in mind that the liberal drove 30 million jobs off shore with the highest corporate taxes in the world, labor unions, and 20 million illegals here. And this is not to mention how they destroyed the schools and families in America.

20 million illegals lol. How the hell can land "belong" to someone. Another strange capitalist concept.

Jobs were driven off shore because of the nature of a company owner. They must be forced to share because they will not naturally do so - they will divide among top individuals. Let's face it, trickle down theory is bullshit.

Tax the hell out of them, and if the U.S government was smart they would send people to foreign factories and set up labor unions lol. Corporate America needs to be forced to take less for themselves.

 

[gipper]

The employer gets a stronger grip by the day and this started decades ago.

thats what Marx said 150 years ago and today the average workers has a smart phone and flat screen TV. Did you know that China just switched to capitalism from Marxism and instantly eliminated 40% of world poverty after 10,000 years.

What does that teach you?

Oh a smart phone and a flat screen TV - things you don't need that you slave away for.
The Chinese people will uprise when they realize what is going on with them - the exploitation of them is way, way worse than the minimum wage worker in the Western World.

Who wants to go to Asia with me and start a labor union for factory workers?

I suspect the communist party will immediately arrest you and you will never be heard from again.

 

[Eileen]

The employer gets a stronger grip by the day and this started decades ago.

thats what Marx said 150 years ago and today the average workers has a smart phone and flat screen TV. Did you know that China just switched to capitalism from Marxism and instantly eliminated 40% of world poverty after 10,000 years.

What does that teach you?

Oh a smart phone and a flat screen TV - things you don't need that you slave away for.
The Chinese people will uprise when they realize what is going on with them - the exploitation of them is way, way worse than the minimum wage worker in the Western World.

Who wants to go to Asia with me and start a labor union for factory workers?

I suspect the communist party will immediately arrest you and you will never be heard from again.

 

[Pogo]

The employer gets a stronger grip by the day and this started decades ago.

thats what Marx said 150 years ago and today the average workers has a smart phone and flat screen TV. Did you know that China just switched to capitalism from Marxism and instantly eliminated 40% of world poverty after 10,000 years.

What does that teach you?

Oh a smart phone and a flat screen TV - things you don't need that you slave away for.
The Chinese people will uprise when they realize what is going on with them - the exploitation of them is way, way worse than the minimum wage worker in the Western World.

Who wants to go to Asia with me and start a labor union for factory workers?

"Commodity fetishism".

 

[dblack]

I'm new to the forum, and haven't gotten the general consensus of what kind of forum this is and which way it "sways". I lean more towards incorporating marxist ideas into my thoughts - so I'm hoping I don't get flamed.

This is more of a rant thread. Because there's one thing I seriously don't understand and it's mindless loyalty. I work for a large retail store which does about 100k+ in sales a day.
Forget about minimum wage workers, there is exploitation at every single solitary level - just the more money you have the less you care about being exploited.
I don't care if you're the store manager or the cashier. The store manager should think to themselves, wow there are 365 days a year, they paid my entire salary in about a day. The cashier should say - wow it took one order for them to pay me this hour. Same thing goes for a surgeon, a doctor - even though they're "rolling in the dough" someone is laughing all the way to the bank for their hard work.

Of course there is incentive to protect assets, because when the company does good, it doesn't go underground and therefore you have a job. Blah blah get more educated and you'll get a better job, the point here is that at every single level there is horrible exploitation, yet there is no serious rebellion. And the response is to get better educated.

Why do you contribute to such a malevolent enterprise? Don't you feel the least bit responsible?

 

[dblack]

I'm new to the forum, and haven't gotten the general consensus of what kind of forum this is and which way it "sways". I lean more towards incorporating marxist ideas into my thoughts - so I'm hoping I don't get flamed.

This is more of a rant thread. Because there's one thing I seriously don't understand and it's mindless loyalty. I work for a large retail store which does about 100k+ in sales a day.
Forget about minimum wage workers, there is exploitation at every single solitary level - just the more money you have the less you care about being exploited.
I don't care if you're the store manager or the cashier. The store manager should think to themselves, wow there are 365 days a year, they paid my entire salary in about a day. The cashier should say - wow it took one order for them to pay me this hour. Same thing goes for a surgeon, a doctor - even though they're "rolling in the dough" someone is laughing all the way to the bank for their hard work.

Of course there is incentive to protect assets, because when the company does good, it doesn't go underground and therefore you have a job. Blah blah get more educated and you'll get a better job, the point here is that at every single level there is horrible exploitation, yet there is no serious rebellion. And the response is to get better educated.

Ok, I'm sure that that's all perfectly clear in your head, but you never explain exactly what you consider exploitation or why it's exploitative.

Always define your terms an explain your concepts. Never assume that people will understand your unstated assumptions.

Sorry, you're right I assumed.

In capitalism, a worker is exploited because their time and the work they perform is more valuable than what they are paid.

Should they be punished for working for less than their labor is "really" worth?

 

[Eileen]

I'm new to the forum, and haven't gotten the general consensus of what kind of forum this is and which way it "sways". I lean more towards incorporating marxist ideas into my thoughts - so I'm hoping I don't get flamed.

This is more of a rant thread. Because there's one thing I seriously don't understand and it's mindless loyalty. I work for a large retail store which does about 100k+ in sales a day.
Forget about minimum wage workers, there is exploitation at every single solitary level - just the more money you have the less you care about being exploited.
I don't care if you're the store manager or the cashier. The store manager should think to themselves, wow there are 365 days a year, they paid my entire salary in about a day. The cashier should say - wow it took one order for them to pay me this hour. Same thing goes for a surgeon, a doctor - even though they're "rolling in the dough" someone is laughing all the way to the bank for their hard work.

Of course there is incentive to protect assets, because when the company does good, it doesn't go underground and therefore you have a job. Blah blah get more educated and you'll get a better job, the point here is that at every single level there is horrible exploitation, yet there is no serious rebellion. And the response is to get better educated.

Why do you contribute to such a malevolent enterprise? Don't you feel the least bit responsible?

Good question.
I have thought about leaving the first world and going to the third world, where I would be able to survive on my savings - and not have to work for many years. In this, the sacrifice is the modernization and the coolio things of capitalism but in exchange I receive back: time.
Another alternative is to leech off the system - people that leech off of public assistance are not worse than the people at the top (who are leeches, but notice how the public shifts their attention towards people taking very little in comparison)...but it's again not an alternative, and the third world would be better.

I think the best way to do things is work for money, then take it some where before you get old where you can sacrifice the fruits of capitalism for time.

I don't feel responsible, I am not narcissistic enough to think I make an actual difference lol.

 

[Eileen]

I'm new to the forum, and haven't gotten the general consensus of what kind of forum this is and which way it "sways". I lean more towards incorporating marxist ideas into my thoughts - so I'm hoping I don't get flamed.

This is more of a rant thread. Because there's one thing I seriously don't understand and it's mindless loyalty. I work for a large retail store which does about 100k+ in sales a day.
Forget about minimum wage workers, there is exploitation at every single solitary level - just the more money you have the less you care about being exploited.
I don't care if you're the store manager or the cashier. The store manager should think to themselves, wow there are 365 days a year, they paid my entire salary in about a day. The cashier should say - wow it took one order for them to pay me this hour. Same thing goes for a surgeon, a doctor - even though they're "rolling in the dough" someone is laughing all the way to the bank for their hard work.

Of course there is incentive to protect assets, because when the company does good, it doesn't go underground and therefore you have a job. Blah blah get more educated and you'll get a better job, the point here is that at every single level there is horrible exploitation, yet there is no serious rebellion. And the response is to get better educated.

Ok, I'm sure that that's all perfectly clear in your head, but you never explain exactly what you consider exploitation or why it's exploitative.

Always define your terms an explain your concepts. Never assume that people will understand your unstated assumptions.

Sorry, you're right I assumed.

In capitalism, a worker is exploited because their time and the work they perform is more valuable than what they are paid.

Should they be punished for working for less than their labor is "really" worth?

I personally think the blame is evenly split. It's the fault of business for their greed, and the workers fault for fearing the employers and letting them take advantage.
Kind of like a domestic abuse relationship, though kind of a morbid analogy..

 

[dblack]

I'm new to the forum, and haven't gotten the general consensus of what kind of forum this is and which way it "sways". I lean more towards incorporating marxist ideas into my thoughts - so I'm hoping I don't get flamed.

This is more of a rant thread. Because there's one thing I seriously don't understand and it's mindless loyalty. I work for a large retail store which does about 100k+ in sales a day.
Forget about minimum wage workers, there is exploitation at every single solitary level - just the more money you have the less you care about being exploited.
I don't care if you're the store manager or the cashier. The store manager should think to themselves, wow there are 365 days a year, they paid my entire salary in about a day. The cashier should say - wow it took one order for them to pay me this hour. Same thing goes for a surgeon, a doctor - even though they're "rolling in the dough" someone is laughing all the way to the bank for their hard work.

Of course there is incentive to protect assets, because when the company does good, it doesn't go underground and therefore you have a job. Blah blah get more educated and you'll get a better job, the point here is that at every single level there is horrible exploitation, yet there is no serious rebellion. And the response is to get better educated.

Ok, I'm sure that that's all perfectly clear in your head, but you never explain exactly what you consider exploitation or why it's exploitative.

Always define your terms an explain your concepts. Never assume that people will understand your unstated assumptions.

Sorry, you're right I assumed.

In capitalism, a worker is exploited because their time and the work they perform is more valuable than what they are paid.

Should they be punished for working for less than their labor is "really" worth?

I personally think the blame is evenly split. It's the fault of business for their greed, and the workers fault for fearing the employers and letting them take advantage.
Kind of like a domestic abuse relationship, though kind of a morbid analogy..

Sounds like it's between them, and none of our business.

 

[Eileen]

I'm new to the forum, and haven't gotten the general consensus of what kind of forum this is and which way it "sways". I lean more towards incorporating marxist ideas into my thoughts - so I'm hoping I don't get flamed.

This is more of a rant thread. Because there's one thing I seriously don't understand and it's mindless loyalty. I work for a large retail store which does about 100k+ in sales a day.
Forget about minimum wage workers, there is exploitation at every single solitary level - just the more money you have the less you care about being exploited.
I don't care if you're the store manager or the cashier. The store manager should think to themselves, wow there are 365 days a year, they paid my entire salary in about a day. The cashier should say - wow it took one order for them to pay me this hour. Same thing goes for a surgeon, a doctor - even though they're "rolling in the dough" someone is laughing all the way to the bank for their hard work.

Of course there is incentive to protect assets, because when the company does good, it doesn't go underground and therefore you have a job. Blah blah get more educated and you'll get a better job, the point here is that at every single level there is horrible exploitation, yet there is no serious rebellion. And the response is to get better educated.

Ok, I'm sure that that's all perfectly clear in your head, but you never explain exactly what you consider exploitation or why it's exploitative.

Always define your terms an explain your concepts. Never assume that people will understand your unstated assumptions.

Sorry, you're right I assumed.

In capitalism, a worker is exploited because their time and the work they perform is more valuable than what they are paid.

Should they be punished for working for less than their labor is "really" worth?

I personally think the blame is evenly split. It's the fault of business for their greed, and the workers fault for fearing the employers and letting them take advantage.
Kind of like a domestic abuse relationship, though kind of a morbid analogy..

Sounds like it's between them, and none of our business.

Don't be silly. In this world we seek to save others to make ourselves better. If that be financially, or just to feel good inside.

Were just, you know. here to help.

 

[dblack]

Ok, I'm sure that that's all perfectly clear in your head, but you never explain exactly what you consider exploitation or why it's exploitative.

Always define your terms an explain your concepts. Never assume that people will understand your unstated assumptions.

Sorry, you're right I assumed.

In capitalism, a worker is exploited because their time and the work they perform is more valuable than what they are paid.

Should they be punished for working for less than their labor is "really" worth?

I personally think the blame is evenly split. It's the fault of business for their greed, and the workers fault for fearing the employers and letting them take advantage.
Kind of like a domestic abuse relationship, though kind of a morbid analogy..

Sounds like it's between them, and none of our business.

Don't be silly. In this world we seek to save others to make ourselves better. If that be financially, or just to feel good inside.

Were just, you know. here to help.

You are, apparently, aware of the irony in that statement.

 

[initforme]

Eileen let's remember that some would lie to see working conditions rolled back 150 years. As a fox commentator once said "lowering the minimum wage would create more jobs.". There is a belief that someone working a job for $3 an hour could actually be fair. AS FAR AS cHINA, THE MIDDLE CLASS OVER THERE IS STRUGGLING MIGHTILY. tHEY ARE A POOR ECONOMIC MODEL.

 

[dblack]

Eileen let's remember that some would lie to see working conditions rolled back 150 years. As a fox commentator once said "lowering the minimum wage would create more jobs.". There is a belief that someone working a job for $3 an hour could actually be fair. AS FAR AS cHINA, THE MIDDLE CLASS OVER THERE IS STRUGGLING MIGHTILY. tHEY ARE A POOR ECONOMIC MODEL.

And some would roll it back further yet, and reinstate slavery. I'd rather move forward.

 

[Eileen]

Yeah...the business owners would so they can have no safety precautions, cheap wages, boot people whenever they feel like it, etc. Like they do in Asia lol

What about self-sufficiency? Living off the land.

 

[Pogo]

I'm new to the forum, and haven't gotten the general consensus of what kind of forum this is and which way it "sways". I lean more towards incorporating marxist ideas into my thoughts - so I'm hoping I don't get flamed.

This is more of a rant thread. Because there's one thing I seriously don't understand and it's mindless loyalty. I work for a large retail store which does about 100k+ in sales a day.
Forget about minimum wage workers, there is exploitation at every single solitary level - just the more money you have the less you care about being exploited.
I don't care if you're the store manager or the cashier. The store manager should think to themselves, wow there are 365 days a year, they paid my entire salary in about a day. The cashier should say - wow it took one order for them to pay me this hour. Same thing goes for a surgeon, a doctor - even though they're "rolling in the dough" someone is laughing all the way to the bank for their hard work.

Of course there is incentive to protect assets, because when the company does good, it doesn't go underground and therefore you have a job. Blah blah get more educated and you'll get a better job, the point here is that at every single level there is horrible exploitation, yet there is no serious rebellion. And the response is to get better educated.

Why do you contribute to such a malevolent enterprise? Don't you feel the least bit responsible?

Good question.
I have thought about leaving the first world and going to the third world, where I would be able to survive on my savings - and not have to work for many years. In this, the sacrifice is the modernization and the coolio things of capitalism but in exchange I receive back: time.
Another alternative is to leech off the system - people that leech off of public assistance are not worse than the people at the top (who are leeches, but notice how the public shifts their attention towards people taking very little in comparison)...but it's again not an alternative, and the third world would be better.

I think the best way to do things is work for money, then take it some where before you get old where you can sacrifice the fruits of capitalism for time.

I don't feel responsible, I am not narcissistic enough to think I make an actual difference lol.

Eileen, if you haven't heard of Daniel Suelo you might be interested in this book --

In 2000, Daniel Suelo left his life savings-all thirty dollars of it-in a phone booth. He has lived without money-and with a newfound sense of freedom and security-ever since.

The Man Who Quit Money is an account of how one man learned to live, sanely and happily, without earning, receiving, or spending a single cent. Suelo doesn't pay taxes, or accept food stamps or welfare. He lives in caves in the Utah canyonlands, forages wild foods and gourmet discards. He no longer even carries an I.D. Yet he manages to amply fulfill not only the basic human needs-for shelter, food, and warmth-but, to an enviable degree, the universal desires for companionship, purpose, and spiritual engagement. In retracing the surprising path and guiding philosophy that led Suelo into this way of life, Sundeen raises provocative and riveting questions about the decisions we all make, by default or by design, about how we live-and how we might live better.
​

Interesting documentary that talks about this in part can be streamed here.

 

[peach174]

Thomas Jefferson founded the Republican Party 28 years after his own death.

Jefferson and Adams died in 1826. Jefferson and Madison founded the Republican Party in 1793 to stand against the big govt liberal Federalist Party. By 1800 the Republicans had destroyed the Federalist Party in what was called the second American Revolution to established that the first revolution had been against big liberal govt in general, not just the big liberal govt of England.


(1797-1799)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)


Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34





2)
On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823




3)Natural rights [are] the objects for the protection of which society is formed and municipal laws established.
4)Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Monroe, 1791


5)"The revolution of 1800... was as real a revolution in the principles of our government as that of 1776 was in its form; not effected indeed by the sword, as that, but by the rational and peaceable instrument of reform, the suffrage of the people." --Thomas Jefferson to Spencer Roane, 1819. ME 15:212


6)Jefferson believed that presidents should not try to impose their will on Congress, and consequently he refused to openly initiate legislation or to veto congressional bills on policy grounds. Convinced that presidents Washington and Adams had acted like British monarchs by personally appearing before Congress and requesting legislation, Jefferson simply sent Congress written messages. It would not be until the presidency of Woodrow Wilson that another president would publicly address Congress and call for legislation.
7)" the natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to grain ground; that the greater the government the stronger the exploiter and the weaker the producer; that , therefore, the hope of liberty depends upon local self-governance and the vigilance of the producer class."


8)"Historians do not agree on the details surrounding the origin of Parties. Some believe that Jefferson forged the Republican party from coalition of existing state and local parties"....[in the 1790's]. Page 31, Political Parties in America by Robert Huckshorn( most popular Political Science text on parties in USA.


9)"Although people were still deeply ambivalent about political parties, although one party did not necessarily recognize the legitimacy of the other, and although men on both sides were nostalgic- at one time or another- for the imaginary golden age of political harmony, few people could be found in the early 1790's who believed the parties did not exist. The parties had names: Federalist and Republican."-Susan Dunn,Jefferson's Second Revolution.

-10)During a conciliatory moment at his Inauguration Jefferson said: "today we are all Republicans, we are all Federalists." (referring to the two majors parties at the time)
11)We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all Republicans,—we are all Federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
- 12)When Jefferson won the election of 1800 the National Gazette headline was, "Complete triumph of Republican firmness over the "obstinacy" of the Aristocrats"! ( what Republicans called big government Federalists)

-13)That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.

13)"The path we have to pursue[when Jefferson was President ] is so quiet that we have nothing scarcely to propose to our Legislature."

-

Where did you get this misinformation from Ed, because it's absolutely wrong.

 

[dblack]

Thomas Jefferson founded the Republican Party 28 years after his own death.

Jefferson and Adams died in 1826. Jefferson and Madison founded the Republican Party in 1793 to stand against the big govt liberal Federalist Party. By 1800 the Republicans had destroyed the Federalist Party in what was called the second American Revolution to established that the first revolution had been against big liberal govt in general, not just the big liberal govt of England.


(1797-1799)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)


Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34





2)
On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823




3)Natural rights [are] the objects for the protection of which society is formed and municipal laws established.
4)Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Monroe, 1791


5)"The revolution of 1800... was as real a revolution in the principles of our government as that of 1776 was in its form; not effected indeed by the sword, as that, but by the rational and peaceable instrument of reform, the suffrage of the people." --Thomas Jefferson to Spencer Roane, 1819. ME 15:212


6)Jefferson believed that presidents should not try to impose their will on Congress, and consequently he refused to openly initiate legislation or to veto congressional bills on policy grounds. Convinced that presidents Washington and Adams had acted like British monarchs by personally appearing before Congress and requesting legislation, Jefferson simply sent Congress written messages. It would not be until the presidency of Woodrow Wilson that another president would publicly address Congress and call for legislation.
7)" the natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to grain ground; that the greater the government the stronger the exploiter and the weaker the producer; that , therefore, the hope of liberty depends upon local self-governance and the vigilance of the producer class."


8)"Historians do not agree on the details surrounding the origin of Parties. Some believe that Jefferson forged the Republican party from coalition of existing state and local parties"....[in the 1790's]. Page 31, Political Parties in America by Robert Huckshorn( most popular Political Science text on parties in USA.


9)"Although people were still deeply ambivalent about political parties, although one party did not necessarily recognize the legitimacy of the other, and although men on both sides were nostalgic- at one time or another- for the imaginary golden age of political harmony, few people could be found in the early 1790's who believed the parties did not exist. The parties had names: Federalist and Republican."-Susan Dunn,Jefferson's Second Revolution.

-10)During a conciliatory moment at his Inauguration Jefferson said: "today we are all Republicans, we are all Federalists." (referring to the two majors parties at the time)
11)We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all Republicans,—we are all Federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
- 12)When Jefferson won the election of 1800 the National Gazette headline was, "Complete triumph of Republican firmness over the "obstinacy" of the Aristocrats"! ( what Republicans called big government Federalists)

-13)That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.

13)"The path we have to pursue[when Jefferson was President ] is so quiet that we have nothing scarcely to propose to our Legislature."

-

Where did you get this misinformation from Ed, because it's absolutely wrong.

That's Ed's specialty.

 

[dblack]

I'm new to the forum, and haven't gotten the general consensus of what kind of forum this is and which way it "sways". I lean more towards incorporating marxist ideas into my thoughts - so I'm hoping I don't get flamed.

This is more of a rant thread. Because there's one thing I seriously don't understand and it's mindless loyalty. I work for a large retail store which does about 100k+ in sales a day.
Forget about minimum wage workers, there is exploitation at every single solitary level - just the more money you have the less you care about being exploited.
I don't care if you're the store manager or the cashier. The store manager should think to themselves, wow there are 365 days a year, they paid my entire salary in about a day. The cashier should say - wow it took one order for them to pay me this hour. Same thing goes for a surgeon, a doctor - even though they're "rolling in the dough" someone is laughing all the way to the bank for their hard work.

Of course there is incentive to protect assets, because when the company does good, it doesn't go underground and therefore you have a job. Blah blah get more educated and you'll get a better job, the point here is that at every single level there is horrible exploitation, yet there is no serious rebellion. And the response is to get better educated.

Why do you contribute to such a malevolent enterprise? Don't you feel the least bit responsible?

Good question.
I have thought about leaving the first world and going to the third world, where I would be able to survive on my savings - and not have to work for many years. In this, the sacrifice is the modernization and the coolio things of capitalism but in exchange I receive back: time.
Another alternative is to leech off the system - people that leech off of public assistance are not worse than the people at the top (who are leeches, but notice how the public shifts their attention towards people taking very little in comparison)...but it's again not an alternative, and the third world would be better.

I think the best way to do things is work for money, then take it some where before you get old where you can sacrifice the fruits of capitalism for time.

I don't feel responsible, I am not narcissistic enough to think I make an actual difference lol.

Eileen, if you haven't heard of Daniel Suelo you might be interested in this book --

In 2000, Daniel Suelo left his life savings-all thirty dollars of it-in a phone booth. He has lived without money-and with a newfound sense of freedom and security-ever since.

The Man Who Quit Money is an account of how one man learned to live, sanely and happily, without earning, receiving, or spending a single cent. Suelo doesn't pay taxes, or accept food stamps or welfare. He lives in caves in the Utah canyonlands, forages wild foods and gourmet discards. He no longer even carries an I.D. Yet he manages to amply fulfill not only the basic human needs-for shelter, food, and warmth-but, to an enviable degree, the universal desires for companionship, purpose, and spiritual engagement. In retracing the surprising path and guiding philosophy that led Suelo into this way of life, Sundeen raises provocative and riveting questions about the decisions we all make, by default or by design, about how we live-and how we might live better.
​

Interesting documentary that talks about this in part can be streamed here.

Somewhat ironically, this site hasn't been updated in a while, but I found it inspiring: Why Work Index

 

[gipper]

The employer gets a stronger grip by the day and this started decades ago.

thats what Marx said 150 years ago and today the average workers has a smart phone and flat screen TV. Did you know that China just switched to capitalism from Marxism and instantly eliminated 40% of world poverty after 10,000 years.

What does that teach you?

Oh a smart phone and a flat screen TV - things you don't need that you slave away for.
The Chinese people will uprise when they realize what is going on with them - the exploitation of them is way, way worse than the minimum wage worker in the Western World.

Who wants to go to Asia with me and start a labor union for factory workers?

I suspect the communist party will immediately arrest you and you will never be heard from again.

Agreed.

But not fearing government, means nothing. You will still never be heard from again.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Where did you get this misinformation from Ed, because it's absolutely wrong.

of course thats too stupid. If it was wrong you would not be so afraid to present your reason. What does your fear teach you? A liberal will actually lack the IQ to know that a reason is necessary.