Explaining Conservatives

[Listening]

I know the damage Republicans have inflicted on this country. Normal people call it "recent history".

You know nothing.

Every time you post, you damage what little credibility you had.

And you damage the I.Q. of the board.

So shut up, stop playing with yourself, and read a book or two before you post again.

 

[Bfgrn]

Why I am Not a Conservative by F. A. Hayek

In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles, his main hope must be that the wise and the good will rule - not merely by example, as we all must wish, but by authority given to them and enforced by them.

When I say that the conservative lacks principles, I do not mean to suggest that he lacks moral conviction. The typical conservative is indeed usually a man of very strong moral convictions. What I mean is that he has no political principles which enable him to work with people whose moral values differ from his own for a political order in which both can obey their convictions. It is the recognition of such principles that permits the coexistence of different sets of values that makes it possible to build a peaceful society with a minimum of force. The acceptance of such principles means that we agree to tolerate much that we dislike.

To live and work successfully with others requires more than faithfulness to one's concrete aims. It requires an intellectual commitment to a type of order in which, even on issues which to one are fundamental, others are allowed to pursue different ends.

It is for this reason that to the liberal neither moral nor religious ideals are proper objects of coercion, while both conservatives and socialists recognize no such limits.

In the last resort, the conservative position rests on the belief that in any society there are recognizably superior persons whose inherited standards and values and position ought to be protected and who should have a greater influence on public affairs than others. The liberal, of course, does not deny that there are some superior people - he is not an egalitarian - but he denies that anyone has authority to decide who these superior people are. While the conservative inclines to defend a particular established hierarchy and wishes authority to protect the status of those whom he values, the liberal feels that no respect for established values can justify the resort to privilege or monopoly or any other coercive power of the state in order to shelter such people against the forces of economic change. Though he is fully aware of the important role that cultural and intellectual elites have played in the evolution of civilization, he also believes that these elites have to prove themselves by their capacity to maintain their position under the same rules that apply to all others.

Closely connected with this is the usual attitude of the conservative to democracy. I have made it clear earlier that I do not regard majority rule as an end but merely as a means, or perhaps even as the least evil of those forms of government from which we have to choose. But I believe that the conservatives deceive themselves when they blame the evils of our time on democracy. The chief evil is unlimited government, and nobody is qualified to wield unlimited power. The powers which modern democracy possesses would be even more intolerable in the hands of some small elite.

1. "What I mean is that he has no political principles which enable him to work with people whose moral values differ from his own..."

"President Obama to Republicans: I won. Deal with it."
President Obama to Republicans: I won. Deal with it.




2. "Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles,..."

"Rep. Goodlatte: Obama Rewriting Laws, Ignoring Constitution"
Rep. Goodlatte: Obama Rewriting Laws, Ignoring Constitution



3. "...to the liberal neither moral nor religious ideals are proper objects of coercion, while both conservatives and socialists recognize no such limits."

"Obama: 'If Congress Won't Act, I Will'"
Obama: 'If Congress Won't Act, I Will' | Video - ABC News



4. " the conservative position rests on the belief that in any society there are recognizably superior persons whose inherited standards and values and position ought to be protected and who should have a greater influence on public affairs than others."

"I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters,” Mr. Obama told Patrick Gaspard, his political director, at the start of the 2008 campaign, according to The New Yorker. “I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m going to think I’m a better political director than my political director.”
So it should come as no surprise that apparently Barack Obama thinks he’s a better intelligence briefer than his intelligence briefers."
Obama: I?m a better intelligence briefer than my intelligence briefers | AEIdeas



Gee, BoringFriendlessGuy.....

...that sure was a stupid quote for you to choose.....

You made it seem like you believe Obama is a conservative, huh?

Pretty much. Obama is not a liberal. The liberals in the party have been shut out on health care, justice department policy and other issues. Obama has tried hard to appeal to conservatives. People who would never vote for him.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Explaining Conservatives

Conservatives are, for the most part, reactionaries – fearful of change, diversity, and expressions of individual liberty; the hostility toward same-sex couples and transgender persons by most conservatives is evidence of that.

Conservatives are, for the most part, ideologues, adhering blindly to sanctioned doctrine and dogma, eschewing facts and evidence that indeed conflict with that doctrine and dogma. Conservative advocacy of such failed and discredited fiscal policies as ‘trickle down’ economics, tax cuts for the rich, and balancing the budget on the backs of middle income Americans are examples of the blind adherence to that dogma.

And conservatives are, for the most part, authoritarian, judgmental, and hostile to dissent – most on the right feel the need to compel conformity – they are, in essence, ‘control freaks.’ Unbridled, full-throated debate in the context of a free and democratic society makes most conservatives very uncomfortable. They see such debate as ‘messy’ and the purview of ‘mobs’ seeking to exact ‘physical’ or ‘material harm’ on those who engage in offensive speech. The many ‘Duck Dynasty,’ ‘anti-PC,’ ‘let people be who they are’ threads started by rightists in this very forum is evidence of their discomfort of dissent, debate, and disagreement.

Conservatives can, for the most part, be summed up as those who wish to reinstate an idealized American past that never actually existed to begin with; a past that was in no way ‘ideal’ for millions of African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, gay Americans, and women – a fact most conservatives seem incapable of comprehending.

 

[Bfgrn]

Explaining Conservatives

Conservatives are, for the most part, reactionaries – fearful of change, diversity, and expressions of individual liberty; the hostility toward same-sex couples and transgender persons by most conservatives is evidence of that.

Conservatives are, for the most part, ideologues, adhering blindly to sanctioned doctrine and dogma, eschewing facts and evidence that indeed conflict with that doctrine and dogma. Conservative advocacy of such failed and discredited fiscal policies as ‘trickle down’ economics, tax cuts for the rich, and balancing the budget on the backs of middle income Americans are examples of the blind adherence to that dogma.

And conservatives are, for the most part, authoritarian, judgmental, and hostile to dissent – most on the right feel the need to compel conformity – they are, in essence, ‘control freaks.’ Unbridled, full-throated debate in the context of a free and democratic society makes most conservatives very uncomfortable. They see such debate as ‘messy’ and the purview of ‘mobs’ seeking to exact ‘physical’ or ‘material harm’ on those who engage in offensive speech. The many ‘Duck Dynasty,’ ‘anti-PC,’ ‘let people be who they are’ threads started by rightists in this very forum is evidence of their discomfort of dissent, debate, and disagreement.

Conservatives can, for the most part, be summed up as those who wish to reinstate an idealized American past that never actually existed to begin with; a past that was in no way ‘ideal’ for millions of African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, gay Americans, and women – a fact most conservatives seem incapable of comprehending.

Plain speaking 'Give 'em hell Harry Truman summed them up in 1948. And that was when the GOP was much more centrist.

"Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home--but not for housing. They are strong for labor--but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage--the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all--but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They approve of social security benefits-so much so that they took them away from almost a million people. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine--for people who can afford them. They believe in international trade--so much so that they crippled our reciprocal trade program, and killed our International Wheat Agreement. They favor the admission of displaced persons--but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.They consider electrical power a great blessing--but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They say TVA is wonderful--but we ought never to try it again. They condemn "cruelly high prices"--but fight to the death every effort to bring them down. They think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it."
President Harry S. Truman - October 13, 1948

 

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[Bfgrn]

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Translation: When confronted with truth, the right wing mind retreats.

 

[Listening]

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Translation: When confronted with truth, the right wing mind retreats.

What truth ?

You have listed a couple of opinions or so called (observations).

You have no "data" to support your hate.

GFY.

 

[birddog]

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Translation: When confronted with truth, the right wing mind retreats.

Major P-K-B Alert!!

 

[zeke]

Conservative prefer to be told WHAT to think and WHEN to think it.

Liberals prefer to try and figure things out by and for themselves.

Causes quite an issue between the two parties I have noticed.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Historically, as a general rule, liberal causes are predictors of what will eventually be mainstream.

What conservatives have supported, historically, are causes that are eventually lost.

 

[occupied]

Conservative prefer to be told WHAT to think and WHEN to think it.

Liberals prefer to try and figure things out by and for themselves.

Causes quite an issue between the two parties I have noticed.

To be accurate, they prefer leaders who confirm their phantom fears, if someone does that on a regular basis rather than tell them the truth and make them feel stupid they will follow them off a cliff.

 

[Truthmatters]

shes Asian and uses a blonde avi

What an utterly racist bigoted comment and it goes all but unnoticed.

she pretends to be what she is not.

how does that reflect on her feelings of her own heritage?

 

[Listening]

Conservative prefer to be told WHAT to think and WHEN to think it.

Liberals prefer to try and figure things out by and for themselves.

Causes quite an issue between the two parties I have noticed.

To be accurate, they prefer leaders who confirm their phantom fears, if someone does that on a regular basis rather than tell them the truth and make them feel stupid they will follow them off a cliff.

I find it laughable that people who are not conservatives are trying to define them.

The first big mistake (as is always the case when talking about a group such as conservatives or liberals) is to assume they all think the same.

I make no apologies for being a conservative.

And I certainly don't find anything that has been stated here to be very close to what I am.

 

[Truthmatters]

Says the far left Obama drone that has no clue of anything beyond it's programming.

I know the damage Republicans have inflicted on this country. Normal people call it "recent history".

Here's some recent damage inflicted on this country......

“...the real (inflation-adjusted) median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession."
Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession | The Weekly Standard


Did you know Obama isn't a Republican?

True story.

Glad to see you will be supporting a raise of the minimum wage.

 

[occupied]

Conservative prefer to be told WHAT to think and WHEN to think it.

Liberals prefer to try and figure things out by and for themselves.

Causes quite an issue between the two parties I have noticed.

To be accurate, they prefer leaders who confirm their phantom fears, if someone does that on a regular basis rather than tell them the truth and make them feel stupid they will follow them off a cliff.

I find it laughable that people who are not conservatives are trying to define them.

The first big mistake (as is always the case when talking about a group such as conservatives or liberals) is to assume they all think the same.

I make no apologies for being a conservative.

And I certainly don't find anything that has been stated here to be very close to what I am.

They are also very bad at taking a good hard critical look at themselves and their beliefs preferring to hold tight to treasured misconceptions long after they are proven inaccurate. True story.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't lie.

You have posted demonstrable falsehoods on numerous occasions, and have refused to accept correction. If you actually believe what you say in spite of the mountain of evidence that has been presented, then that is a matter of self-deception. I guess that is the genius behind the most hardcore liars.

Liberals don’t understand conservative values. And they can’t recognize this failing, because they’re so convinced of their rationality, open-mindedness and enlightenment."

I understand conservative values, because I grew up around them. They are entirely based on historical revisionism. (see signature)

You not agreeing doesn't make then lies.....it simply makes you wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why I am Not a Conservative by F. A. Hayek

In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles, his main hope must be that the wise and the good will rule - not merely by example, as we all must wish, but by authority given to them and enforced by them.

When I say that the conservative lacks principles, I do not mean to suggest that he lacks moral conviction. The typical conservative is indeed usually a man of very strong moral convictions. What I mean is that he has no political principles which enable him to work with people whose moral values differ from his own for a political order in which both can obey their convictions. It is the recognition of such principles that permits the coexistence of different sets of values that makes it possible to build a peaceful society with a minimum of force. The acceptance of such principles means that we agree to tolerate much that we dislike.

To live and work successfully with others requires more than faithfulness to one's concrete aims. It requires an intellectual commitment to a type of order in which, even on issues which to one are fundamental, others are allowed to pursue different ends.

It is for this reason that to the liberal neither moral nor religious ideals are proper objects of coercion, while both conservatives and socialists recognize no such limits.

In the last resort, the conservative position rests on the belief that in any society there are recognizably superior persons whose inherited standards and values and position ought to be protected and who should have a greater influence on public affairs than others. The liberal, of course, does not deny that there are some superior people - he is not an egalitarian - but he denies that anyone has authority to decide who these superior people are. While the conservative inclines to defend a particular established hierarchy and wishes authority to protect the status of those whom he values, the liberal feels that no respect for established values can justify the resort to privilege or monopoly or any other coercive power of the state in order to shelter such people against the forces of economic change. Though he is fully aware of the important role that cultural and intellectual elites have played in the evolution of civilization, he also believes that these elites have to prove themselves by their capacity to maintain their position under the same rules that apply to all others.

Closely connected with this is the usual attitude of the conservative to democracy. I have made it clear earlier that I do not regard majority rule as an end but merely as a means, or perhaps even as the least evil of those forms of government from which we have to choose. But I believe that the conservatives deceive themselves when they blame the evils of our time on democracy. The chief evil is unlimited government, and nobody is qualified to wield unlimited power. The powers which modern democracy possesses would be even more intolerable in the hands of some small elite.

1. "What I mean is that he has no political principles which enable him to work with people whose moral values differ from his own..."

"President Obama to Republicans: I won. Deal with it."
President Obama to Republicans: I won. Deal with it.




2. "Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles,..."

"Rep. Goodlatte: Obama Rewriting Laws, Ignoring Constitution"
Rep. Goodlatte: Obama Rewriting Laws, Ignoring Constitution



3. "...to the liberal neither moral nor religious ideals are proper objects of coercion, while both conservatives and socialists recognize no such limits."

"Obama: 'If Congress Won't Act, I Will'"
Obama: 'If Congress Won't Act, I Will' | Video - ABC News



4. " the conservative position rests on the belief that in any society there are recognizably superior persons whose inherited standards and values and position ought to be protected and who should have a greater influence on public affairs than others."

"I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters,” Mr. Obama told Patrick Gaspard, his political director, at the start of the 2008 campaign, according to The New Yorker. “I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m going to think I’m a better political director than my political director.”
So it should come as no surprise that apparently Barack Obama thinks he’s a better intelligence briefer than his intelligence briefers."
Obama: I?m a better intelligence briefer than my intelligence briefers | AEIdeas



Gee, BoringFriendlessGuy.....

...that sure was a stupid quote for you to choose.....

You made it seem like you believe Obama is a conservative, huh?

Pretty much. Obama is not a liberal. The liberals in the party have been shut out on health care, justice department policy and other issues. Obama has tried hard to appeal to conservatives. People who would never vote for him.

" Obama is not a liberal."

I heard you took an IQ test and they said you're results were negative.

I see why.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Conservative prefer to be told WHAT to think and WHEN to think it.

Liberals prefer to try and figure things out by and for themselves.

Causes quite an issue between the two parties I have noticed.

"Liberals prefer to try and figure things out by and for themselves."

And what Liberals have figured out is that their dreams and desires just happen to coincide with the dreams and wishes of the Communist Party of the 1950s-1960s.



Some folks have no ability to learn from the past....that would be Liberal/Progressive/Democrats.

True?

 

[PoliticalChic]

shes Asian and uses a blonde avi

What an utterly racist bigoted comment and it goes all but unnoticed.

she pretends to be what she is not.

how does that reflect on her feelings of her own heritage?

You're fibbing....I've never pretended any such thing.

Did you take a gander at my profile pic?

Jealous?

I can't get over that Norwegan comment that you must be a dog.....priceless.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I know the damage Republicans have inflicted on this country. Normal people call it "recent history".

Here's some recent damage inflicted on this country......

“...the real (inflation-adjusted) median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession."
Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession | The Weekly Standard


Did you know Obama isn't a Republican?

True story.

Glad to see you will be supporting a raise of the minimum wage.

Well....would that help pay for your meds?