Exactly what high crime or misdemeanor did President Trump commit?

[OKTexas]

Hey dipstick, a president can use prosecutorial discretion just like any law enforcement officer on a case by case basis.
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Hey dipstick what possible "descretion" could Trump possibly have to let go of a man he himself said was GUILTY OF A CRIME?

Trump's motivation was not administration of justice, it was corrupt self-interest. DUH.

Oh bullshit, a man will do many things when his family is threatened. Weismann threatened his son with prosecution for a crime no one has been prosecuted for. You'll notice Tony Podesta still hasn't been prosecuted for his FARA violations.

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Thats a stupid argument.

1. You can’t Obstruct Justice to protect your ANYTHING, including your son.

2. Trump’s son has nothing to do with Trump trying to get Flynn off.

Excuse me dumbass, we were talking about Flynn, not Trump. Reading is fundamental. LMAO

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I misread.

You need to let go of this lunatic Flynn-is-innocent bullshit.

FBI said Flynn lied
Trump said Flynn lied to FBI
Flynn pled guilty to lying to FBI

How ******* retarded can you get to still say that he didn’t?

Former FBI Director James Comey testified to the House Intelligence Committee that FBI agents did not believe that Michael Flynn, who was national security adviser, intentionally lied about talks with Russia’s ambassador, according to a newly unredacted report from the committee.

“Director Comey testified to the Committee that ‘the agents…discerned no physical indications of deception," said a new version of the report obtained by Fox News on Friday. "They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.’”

House Intel report: Comey testified FBI agents saw no 'physical indications of deception' by Flynn

Washington (CNN)The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.

Flynn changed story to FBI, no charges expected - CNNPolitics

The only thing that changed was Mueller and Weissman, with threats against Flynn's son.

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[AntonToo]

Hey dipstick what possible "descretion" could Trump possibly have to let go of a man he himself said was GUILTY OF A CRIME?

Trump's motivation was not administration of justice, it was corrupt self-interest. DUH.

Oh bullshit, a man will do many things when his family is threatened. Weismann threatened his son with prosecution for a crime no one has been prosecuted for. You'll notice Tony Podesta still hasn't been prosecuted for his FARA violations.

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Thats a stupid argument.

1. You can’t Obstruct Justice to protect your ANYTHING, including your son.

2. Trump’s son has nothing to do with Trump trying to get Flynn off.

Excuse me dumbass, we were talking about Flynn, not Trump. Reading is fundamental. LMAO

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I misread.

You need to let go of this lunatic Flynn-is-innocent bullshit.

FBI said Flynn lied
Trump said Flynn lied to FBI
Flynn pled guilty to lying to FBI

How ******* retarded can you get to still say that he didn’t?

Former FBI Director James Comey testified to the House Intelligence Committee that FBI agents did not believe that Michael Flynn, who was national security adviser, intentionally lied about talks with Russia’s ambassador, according to a newly unredacted report from the committee.

“Director Comey testified to the Committee that ‘the agents…discerned no physical indications of deception," said a new version of the report obtained by Fox News on Friday. "They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.’”

House Intel report: Comey testified FBI agents saw no 'physical indications of deception' by Flynn

Washington (CNN)The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.

Flynn changed story to FBI, no charges expected - CNNPolitics

The only thing that changed was Mueller and Weissman, with threats against Flynn's son.

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But the facts dummy. Did you forget the facts that everyone at later date said Flynn actually did lie?

Trump said Flynn lied to FBI and VP, that’s why he fired him.
Same Trump then went to pressure Comey to drop investigation on Flynn

Now what the **** do you think you are posting that refutes the clear obstruction case here?

 

[OKTexas]

Oh bullshit, a man will do many things when his family is threatened. Weismann threatened his son with prosecution for a crime no one has been prosecuted for. You'll notice Tony Podesta still hasn't been prosecuted for his FARA violations.

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Thats a stupid argument.

1. You can’t Obstruct Justice to protect your ANYTHING, including your son.

2. Trump’s son has nothing to do with Trump trying to get Flynn off.

Excuse me dumbass, we were talking about Flynn, not Trump. Reading is fundamental. LMAO

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I misread.

You need to let go of this lunatic Flynn-is-innocent bullshit.

FBI said Flynn lied
Trump said Flynn lied to FBI
Flynn pled guilty to lying to FBI

How ******* retarded can you get to still say that he didn’t?

Former FBI Director James Comey testified to the House Intelligence Committee that FBI agents did not believe that Michael Flynn, who was national security adviser, intentionally lied about talks with Russia’s ambassador, according to a newly unredacted report from the committee.

“Director Comey testified to the Committee that ‘the agents…discerned no physical indications of deception," said a new version of the report obtained by Fox News on Friday. "They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.’”

House Intel report: Comey testified FBI agents saw no 'physical indications of deception' by Flynn

Washington (CNN)The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.

Flynn changed story to FBI, no charges expected - CNNPolitics

The only thing that changed was Mueller and Weissman, with threats against Flynn's son.

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But the facts dummy. Did you forget the facts that everyone at later date said Flynn actually did lie?

Trump said Flynn lied to FBI and VP, that’s why he fired him.
Same Trump then went to pressure Comey to drop investigation on Flynn

Now what the **** do you think you are posting that refutes the clear obstruction case here?

What obstruction, there was no obstruction in Flynns case. There was objectionable coercion to get Flynn to plea to a non-crime. The FBI said there was no intent to lie, and Comey testified to that fact.

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[AntonToo]

Thats a stupid argument.

1. You can’t Obstruct Justice to protect your ANYTHING, including your son.

2. Trump’s son has nothing to do with Trump trying to get Flynn off.

Excuse me dumbass, we were talking about Flynn, not Trump. Reading is fundamental. LMAO

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I misread.

You need to let go of this lunatic Flynn-is-innocent bullshit.

FBI said Flynn lied
Trump said Flynn lied to FBI
Flynn pled guilty to lying to FBI

How ******* retarded can you get to still say that he didn’t?

Former FBI Director James Comey testified to the House Intelligence Committee that FBI agents did not believe that Michael Flynn, who was national security adviser, intentionally lied about talks with Russia’s ambassador, according to a newly unredacted report from the committee.

“Director Comey testified to the Committee that ‘the agents…discerned no physical indications of deception," said a new version of the report obtained by Fox News on Friday. "They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.’”

House Intel report: Comey testified FBI agents saw no 'physical indications of deception' by Flynn

Washington (CNN)The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.

Flynn changed story to FBI, no charges expected - CNNPolitics

The only thing that changed was Mueller and Weissman, with threats against Flynn's son.

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But the facts dummy. Did you forget the facts that everyone at later date said Flynn actually did lie?

Trump said Flynn lied to FBI and VP, that’s why he fired him.
Same Trump then went to pressure Comey to drop investigation on Flynn

Now what the **** do you think you are posting that refutes the clear obstruction case here?

What obstruction, there was no obstruction in Flynns case. There was objectionable coercion to get Flynn to plea to a non-crime. The FBI said there was no intent to lie, and Comey testified to that fact.

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FBI did not say that idiot, they said EXACTLY OPPOSITE. Read the ******* guilty plea.

 

[iceberg]

Oh bullshit, a man will do many things when his family is threatened. Weismann threatened his son with prosecution for a crime no one has been prosecuted for. You'll notice Tony Podesta still hasn't been prosecuted for his FARA violations.

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Thats a stupid argument.

1. You can’t Obstruct Justice to protect your ANYTHING, including your son.

2. Trump’s son has nothing to do with Trump trying to get Flynn off.

Excuse me dumbass, we were talking about Flynn, not Trump. Reading is fundamental. LMAO

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I misread.

You need to let go of this lunatic Flynn-is-innocent bullshit.

FBI said Flynn lied
Trump said Flynn lied to FBI
Flynn pled guilty to lying to FBI

How ******* retarded can you get to still say that he didn’t?

Former FBI Director James Comey testified to the House Intelligence Committee that FBI agents did not believe that Michael Flynn, who was national security adviser, intentionally lied about talks with Russia’s ambassador, according to a newly unredacted report from the committee.

“Director Comey testified to the Committee that ‘the agents…discerned no physical indications of deception," said a new version of the report obtained by Fox News on Friday. "They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.’”

House Intel report: Comey testified FBI agents saw no 'physical indications of deception' by Flynn

Washington (CNN)The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.

Flynn changed story to FBI, no charges expected - CNNPolitics

The only thing that changed was Mueller and Weissman, with threats against Flynn's son.

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But the facts dummy. Did you forget the facts that everyone at later date said Flynn actually did lie?

Trump said Flynn lied to FBI and VP, that’s why he fired him.
Same Trump then went to pressure Comey to drop investigation on Flynn

Now what the **** do you think you are posting that refutes the clear obstruction case here?

since your standards of "OBSTRUCTION" seem to only exist to the right, no one really gives a shit about what you say.

 

[busybee01]

So? You can still obstruct justice if no underlying crime is found. It can be argued that the obstruction worked.

LMAO, due tell. Was the investigation completed or not?

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Trump obstructed justice. This is not debateable.

Of course you cult members will try to, but what you think doesn't change what is written.

Of course it is, 3 very experienced lawyers already said his actions did not reach the threshold of criminal obstruction. Also all federal law enforcement powers are derived from the president, how can he obstruct himself short of the actual destruction of evidence? Simply exercising Article 2 powers, like firing Comey or threatening to fire anyone else in the executive branch, is not obstruction.

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It is the Congress that decides that. When the exercise of that power is used to commit another crime such as a coverup then it can be legal. The Congress could impeach Trump for firing Comey as a attempt to obstruct justice.

Yeah, they could, the senate will never vote to convict when Comey's boss recommended his firing for misconduct. Have you commies forgotten you were demanding Comeys head just months before he was fired? Hypocrite much?

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Comey's boss got it wrong just like the IG report did. There w2as no misconduct. That was a attempt to give Trump some cover. The AG said she would abide by Comey's decision. In effect Comey was making the final decision on whether to prosecute Clinton That is a distinction that even the IG failed to recognize. Comey angered both sides with his decision so he clearly was doing something right. I went with the 25% or so of Utahans who voted for someone other than Trump or Clinton. If only the rest of America were smart enough to do that.

 

[jc456]

Wow, a legitimate order need not be thinly dressed up,
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Dummy, Trump dressed it up because IT WASN'T. It was a corrupt request, not to be given directly, but gently asked.

Hey dipstick, a president can use prosecutorial discretion just like any law enforcement officer on a case by case basis.
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Hey dipstick what possible "descretion" could Trump possibly have to let go of a man he himself said was GUILTY OF A CRIME?

Trump's motivation was not administration of justice, it was corrupt self-interest. DUH.

Oh bullshit, a man will do many things when his family is threatened. Weismann threatened his son with prosecution for a crime no one has been prosecuted for. You'll notice Tony Podesta still hasn't been prosecuted for his FARA violations.

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Thats a stupid argument.

1. You can’t Obstruct Justice to protect your ANYTHING, including your son.

2. Trump’s son has nothing to do with Trump trying to get Flynn off, which happened well before Mueller’s special investigation was as opened.

still flailing around.

 

[busybee01]

You don't seem to understand that Impeachment is equal parts legal and a political process - the subject absolutely matters.

And you don't seem to know what the impeachment clause of the Constitution says. It says "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors". So where is Our President guilty of anything even resembling that?

Congress is the body that defines what high crimes and misdemeanors are. They don't have to be legal crimes.

 

[AntonToo]

Thats a stupid argument.

1. You can’t Obstruct Justice to protect your ANYTHING, including your son.

2. Trump’s son has nothing to do with Trump trying to get Flynn off.

Excuse me dumbass, we were talking about Flynn, not Trump. Reading is fundamental. LMAO

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I misread.

You need to let go of this lunatic Flynn-is-innocent bullshit.

FBI said Flynn lied
Trump said Flynn lied to FBI
Flynn pled guilty to lying to FBI

How ******* retarded can you get to still say that he didn’t?

Former FBI Director James Comey testified to the House Intelligence Committee that FBI agents did not believe that Michael Flynn, who was national security adviser, intentionally lied about talks with Russia’s ambassador, according to a newly unredacted report from the committee.

“Director Comey testified to the Committee that ‘the agents…discerned no physical indications of deception," said a new version of the report obtained by Fox News on Friday. "They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.’”

House Intel report: Comey testified FBI agents saw no 'physical indications of deception' by Flynn

Washington (CNN)The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.

Flynn changed story to FBI, no charges expected - CNNPolitics

The only thing that changed was Mueller and Weissman, with threats against Flynn's son.

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But the facts dummy. Did you forget the facts that everyone at later date said Flynn actually did lie?

Trump said Flynn lied to FBI and VP, that’s why he fired him.
Same Trump then went to pressure Comey to drop investigation on Flynn

Now what the **** do you think you are posting that refutes the clear obstruction case here?

since your standards of "OBSTRUCTION" seem to only exist to the right, no one really gives a shit about what you say.

Those are not my standards, stop lying. Although I'm a lefty, I try to be aware of my own bias and I always go the extra mile to maintain consistency in my arguments.

For example if it credibly came out that Obama was trying to pressure FBI to drop Clinton's email investigation I would not be out here pretending he didn't abuse his office. Of course there is a reason nothing like that happened and there were no major scandals that involved him directly - he was a clean operator that well understood and more importantly had some respect for ethics, not just laws.

Besides, maybe you should stop worrying about everyone else's standards and re-examine your own. Trump will not turn innocent just because someone out there has character flaws you'd like to deflect to.

 

[busybee01]

Comey testified under oath, presented contemporanious notes and also told to his collegues about Trump's behaviour at the time it happened.

Special Investigation states exactly that.

What possible grounds do you have to claim all that is "a ******* lie"? Let me remind you that "I wish it was not so" is not grounds.


Trump does not have authority to corruptly abuse his office to squash investigations into himself and his people. Swampy Trump people need to learn that concept.

Comey also testified under oath that Trump didn't order him to do anything. He expressed a hope. Since when are hopes corrupt? BTW the agents that interviewed Flynn didn't think he intentionally lied, despite the perjury trap Comey bragged about. Stop lying about what Trump said.

BTW, As I said before Trump could have told Comey to leave Flynn alone, he had that power. It wouldn't have been corrupt because it had nothing to do with Trump himself.

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Wrong again, Comey testified that he took Trump's request as a thinly dressed up order.

Thats how Trump speaks, but not-stupid people understand exactly what he wants from them.

And please stop embarassing yourself with this "two agents said" nonsense after Judge has fully reviewed all the materials, including those interviews and Flynn's guilty plea is in.

Wow, a legitimate order need not be thinly dressed up,
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Dummy, Trump dressed it up because IT WASN'T. It was a corrupt request, not to be given directly, but gently asked.

Hey dipstick, a president can use prosecutorial discretion just like any law enforcement officer on a case by case basis. If he didn't want Flynn messed with he could have just said so and it would have been as legitimate as any other issued within the executive branch. You commies only see corruption because that's what you want to see. Of course you had no problem with maobama using prosecutorial discretion, giving a whole class of illegals immunity form deportation even when valid deportation orders existed. Admit it, you're a ******* hypocrite.

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A President cannot use his legitimate powers to cover up a potential crime. A President has no power to interfere in a DOJ investigation. He can only fire the AG until someone in the DOJ agrees with the order. Look up the Saturday Night Massacre. Trump ordered McGahn to fire the special prosecutor and he refused to do so. That was one of the reasons he left.

 

[busybee01]

Trump is also guilty of obstruction of justice.


Mueller: If we had confidence the President did not commit a crime, we would have said so

Guilt?


So are you new to this country and don't know how are judicial system works????

Impeachment is not a judicial proceeding. There is no presumption of innocence.

ahhh, more of the just say it gd damn it, facts don't matter. see there you go!!! way to make shit up.

You are the one making things up.

No you are..the country was founded on innocent until proven guilty, that's why we also have slander laws.

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In the criminal process that is true. In civil lawsuits the standard is the preponderance of evidence. In a impeachment hearing it is whatever Congress decides to do.

 

[jc456]

Guilt?


So are you new to this country and don't know how are judicial system works????

Impeachment is not a judicial proceeding. There is no presumption of innocence.

ahhh, more of the just say it gd damn it, facts don't matter. see there you go!!! way to make shit up.

You are the one making things up.

No you are..the country was founded on innocent until proven guilty, that's why we also have slander laws.

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In the criminal process that is true. In civil lawsuits the standard is the preponderance of evidence. In a impeachment hearing it is whatever Congress decides to do.

so far nothing. and?

 

[Camp]

Trump being a prolific serial compulsive malicious liar should be considered as a high crime by Congress.

 

[jc456]

Trump being a prolific serial compulsive malicious liar should be considered as a high crime by Congress.

then they'd have to impeach themselves.

 

[Camp]

Impeachment is not a judicial proceeding. There is no presumption of innocence.

ahhh, more of the just say it gd damn it, facts don't matter. see there you go!!! way to make shit up.

You are the one making things up.

No you are..the country was founded on innocent until proven guilty, that's why we also have slander laws.

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In the criminal process that is true. In civil lawsuits the standard is the preponderance of evidence. In a impeachment hearing it is whatever Congress decides to do.

so far nothing. and?

The question has been answered numerous times continuously in this thread. For some reason, you Dorkers, aka Trumpers, refuse to acknowledge obstruction of justice is a felony.

 

[AntonToo]

Trump being a prolific serial compulsive malicious liar should be considered as a high crime by Congress.

There is an interpretation of "high crimes and misdemeanors" to mean improprieties commited while in the high office, where higher standards of behaviour applies than for laymen.

But aside from that, lying to the public is not illegal.

 

[jc456]

ahhh, more of the just say it gd damn it, facts don't matter. see there you go!!! way to make shit up.

You are the one making things up.

No you are..the country was founded on innocent until proven guilty, that's why we also have slander laws.

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In the criminal process that is true. In civil lawsuits the standard is the preponderance of evidence. In a impeachment hearing it is whatever Congress decides to do.

so far nothing. and?

The question has been answered numerous times continuously in this thread. For some reason, you Dorkers, aka Trumpers, refuse to acknowledge obstruction of justice is a felony.

so far nothing, and?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Guilt?


So are you new to this country and don't know how are judicial system works????

Impeachment is not a judicial proceeding. There is no presumption of innocence.

ahhh, more of the just say it gd damn it, facts don't matter. see there you go!!! way to make shit up.

You are the one making things up.

No you are..the country was founded on innocent until proven guilty, that's why we also have slander laws.

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In the criminal process that is true. In civil lawsuits the standard is the preponderance of evidence. In a impeachment hearing it is whatever Congress decides to do.

So facts be damned?


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[Third Party]

All of you leftists are calling for our President to be impeached. On what charges? Didn't we just spend $130 million dollars to have a bunch of Hillary cronies investigate our President for two years? And they came up with exactly nothing.

Maybe they should have been investigating Hillary. We already know as a fact she committed multiple felonies.

They are PC crimes-worse than anything else in the eyes of the left.

 

[AntonToo]

Impeachment is not a judicial proceeding. There is no presumption of innocence.

ahhh, more of the just say it gd damn it, facts don't matter. see there you go!!! way to make shit up.

You are the one making things up.

No you are..the country was founded on innocent until proven guilty, that's why we also have slander laws.

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In the criminal process that is true. In civil lawsuits the standard is the preponderance of evidence. In a impeachment hearing it is whatever Congress decides to do.

So facts be damned?
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Facts are important, but not in a technical way. They are most important in the political way.

If Congress removes a duly elected leader they better damn make sure the public understands exactly what context and violation of the law he is being removed for. If they fail to do that they risk undermining the entire Republic, which is fundamentally bound by the trust in our system of governing.